Craving innocence

OONGA BOONGA XD

That could be taken totally the wrong way, how does one crave innocence? Like, uh, of the underage variety?

Or did you simply word that wrong?

>>22880785
I want to return to an innocent and joyous state sans cynicism and ulterior motives

>>22880801
Well, when you’re innocent you know less of the world and it is easier to get hurt that way as well or not be able to tell when something is bad. So you don’t actually want to be completely innocent like a child…because you’d just end up back like how you are now.

There’s this song I really like about the concept of returning to innocence so the sentiment isn’t completely lost, but I just don’t know if it’s really worthwhile to achieve or try to work towards.

There are better terms of expression here, but I’m at a loss for what they are at the moment…

>>22880819
I just want purity and love

>>22880870
That's a river that you just don't get to come back up again once you set off down it bud. you're sad because you've experienced a death. The death of the version of you who was ignorant to these particular realities of life. It's just as permanent as when they bury you in the ground.

>>22880887
No. There is a way to a greater innocence and beauty. I know there is.

>>22880870
The ancient Greeks, in a social sense, gave a woman a year to mourn the loss of her husband, or son or any other significant loss. They gave a man a single day.

Recognize that while you may have experienced a loss, of sorts, in a sense it is not even a loss at all but a form of personal growth.

Live with fellow men as if God beheld you; speak with God as if all men were listening

>>22880893
I know that even if that innocence is gone it is a glimpse into a beauty beyond this cosmos that is eternal.

>>22880893
Fucking leaf

Here is another thought, there is a movie I like where the big bad villain says in it “innocence, innocence, innocence!” Hence his reasoning for being interested in the main characters of the film. He’s basically the lord of darkness, and the main characters represent, youth, innocence, and purity, which is put into jeopardy due to events that transpire.

They are forced to deals with different realities of the world in the process of the plot progression. At the end of the movie, they are forever changed, they can never go back. It is alluded to that they leave the forest they spend their youth in.

It is a parable for the garden of Eden, and in a way we have all lost our innocence and cannot really get it back, barred from entry into Eden, cursed to forever wander the waste lands outside.

>>22882380
>It is a parable for the garden of Eden, and in a way we have all lost our innocence and cannot really get it back, barred from entry into Eden, cursed to forever wander the waste lands outside.
then lets make the wasteland cool as hell

>>22882387
Have you ever just thought about becoming a liberal? You can rebel against the status quo and established order of society, without being hell-bent. It might have possibly struck you that it might not necessarily be your views or values which are wrong, but the ideological framework they rest upon? Have you tried going deeper and further in an attempt at examining yourself?

I say this because a lot of people on this forum seem stuck in rigid ideological frameworks that they simply a free unwilling to examine, thus never truly grasping freedom and in the process, truly freeing their minds as well.

I am not really religious, nor was it my intention to preach to anyone. I take from different belief systems as I please, and do not feel any further debt to them, as one might expect.

The world is truly fallen, we could have have paradise, but yet it's just further beyond our reach, as remnants lay hidden all over to remind us of this.

What I want to point out, the fact that I mention "liberalism" is because I am not really traditional at all. You mention "making the wasteland as cool as hell" what is considered to be bad or "evil" in some instances, is not actually always the case. For example, you can have tattoos, and piercings and colored hair, you can also like going to night clubs, or say having raves in the desert with colored lights and muisc that has a bit of an edge to it, and it's not actually evil. but the mainstream opinion and outlook is often that this is not good. There are various perspectives on exactly the type of good that is entailed or means, but they're all not too far removed from one another.

It's like how in the bible, there is nothing that's explicity stated about being traditional, or conservative but yet the bible is often associated with these values, which is why I don't adhere strictly to it.

>>22883531
>The world is truly fallen, we could have have paradise, but yet it's just further beyond our reach, as remnants lay hidden all over to remind us of this.
yeah, that shit sucks
i try to hold onto the remnants

>>22879319 (OP)
You got more mentally ill while you were away

>>22883531
>What I want to point out, the fact that I mention "liberalism" is because I am not really traditional at all. You mention "making the wasteland as cool as hell" what is considered to be bad or "evil" in some instances, is not actually always the case. For example, you can have tattoos, and piercings and colored hair, you can also like going to night clubs, or say having raves in the desert with colored lights and muisc that has a bit of an edge to it, and it's not actually evil. but the mainstream opinion and outlook is often that this is not good. There are various perspectives on exactly the type of good that is entailed or means, but they're all not too far removed from one another.
>It's like how in the bible, there is nothing that's explicity stated about being traditional, or conservative but yet the bible is often associated with these values, which is why I don't adhere strictly to it.
this all sounds kinda deconstructionist and maybe a bit gnostic
i have a bad impression of nightclubs, i think they're portals to hell in alot of ways, or atleast bad shit tends to come from them
maybe that's not inherent to nightclubs, though, and something else is using them for that purpose
idk at this point, but i don't like the deconstructionism stuff
i'd rather rely on my own judgment and the left hand path
>a lot of people on this forum seem stuck in rigid ideological frameworks that they simply a free unwilling to examine, thus never truly grasping freedom and in the process, truly freeing their minds as well.
i think the problem is people get caught trying to come to conclusions about un-observable shit using their minds
this is what often leads to madness, whether the subject is religion or politics or physics/math
the mind is not to be used on un-observable things
many of the most controversial political issues are very abstract things which are hard to measure/judge
people chase unasaillable octopi instead of playing on their own terms

I just think like, if you were truly 'evil' you wouldn't stand around proclaiming or announcing that you believed in evil or were not good. You would take action more frequently, but you would probably say that you're good, deny the opposite.

Most people who aren't "good" for all intensive purposes try to pretend to be the most good, their actions and deeds lie behind subtle manipulation and gaslighting. Besides, psychopaths are often considered to be very charming and charismatic.

>>22883559
i think that all makes sense?
idk though
>Besides, psychopaths are often considered to be very charming and charismatic.
the thing is, they betray people
people REALLY remember betrayal, and it makes any charisma/charm pointless
thats why alot of psychopaths aren't successful, and end up without any place in the world

>>22884271
No, lots of psychopaths are successful, a lot of people think it's largely psychopaths that run the world. Stalin was a good example, he is largely considered by many to have been a psychopath

>>22883549
No, it's not gnostic at all, I can't stand gnosticism, I can't stand all the people that come on here with gnostic-laden beliefs, littered through X and that end up here too.

I don't think nightclubs are a portal to hell, that's kind of a generalization. You would have to further elaborate what you mean by "portals to hell" I am not sure I really know what you mean, it sounds like something out of Ghostbuster. Are you Gozer?

You should really ask what your connections with hell are in relationship to nightlife. I think clubs can be quite varied, people go for different reasons. There's some inherent seediness to all night life really, but it's not the dominant goings on, but it depends on where you go too, I'm sure the area of town makes a big difference, but here most of the night clubs are downtown as an example.

I guess nightlife can be it's own world and it's not always easy to understand, but if you just show up to dance and have a good time you shouldn't have any problems, being mindful of who you're around.

>>22883549
>i think the problem is people get caught trying to come to conclusions about un-observable shit using their minds
this is what often leads to madness, whether the subject is religion or politics or physics/math
the mind is not to be used on un-observable things
many of the most controversial political issues are very abstract things which are hard to measure/judge
people chase unasaillable octopi instead of playing on their own terms

There's a lot of religious threads that get dumped on here from /pol. Becuase such a large percentage of the people here are conservative I think there's this inherent inclination to focus on religion that much more often, and to do it quite fastidiously. It's kind of nauseating, to go that in depth over whether religion is really good or not, or true, and the various tenants and facets of the belief system as well.

I did not realize it until I came here but I think along with how common gnosticism is here as another example, there's this penchant to be what strikes me as somewhat untethered, too ungrounded and abstract, that it seems almost irrelevant and arbitrary. I have mixed feelings about this in general, because our abililty to think about the future and about the unforeseen is what makes us human in some manner.

Anyway that's not realy what I was talking about, or my main point or topic. It's almost kind of a strawman. I don't know much about deconstrutionism, bro. I think you would sit to the right of the monarchy in the assembly hall.

You seem like you are deeply situated as being that of a chud.

All concepts and topics should be open to a certain level of criticism, and analysis or you don't live in a free and open society.

You always outwardly stay you are "bad" or that you are devoted to some type of "evil" I already stated that most people who are actually bad try to present themselves as good, or simply don't care if they're considered good or bad

In all my experiences most people who are of fallible moral standing do not care if they are good or bad but simply adopt any expression or belief system that is the most self serving and benefits them the most at the time. If you were truly evil I do not think you would announce it the way you do. But I've met a few people who have respectively told me that they believe in evil or are not good, which is a really strange experience to have. I think these people aren't as well initiated into the world of badness as they think they are.

Like I said the average morally contemptuous person is simply self serving, and maybe a little insane. Well, maybe that's not entirely true. Like there's different types of badness, like for example there's the far right neo nazis that come here. But it's not too different from what I already stated, their belief systems have been largely discredited and their views don't hold much of a sturdy foundation, so they basically just adopt beliefs and perpetuate them regardless of how accurate they are. It's like what Hitler said, they think if they repeat a lie enough times that people will believe it, but its not too dissimilar from what I already mentioned. These people though, they probably think they are good, but it's self serving In a sense that it only helps to further reinforce their feeble psychology by allowing themselves to feel superior in some manner, but if they really cared about the nature of good, then I don't think they would really have these beliefs so firmly I their minds.

But it depends what you think good is, again I don't think it's deconstructionist, because I am not saying such a thing as good doesn't exist, merely there are differing views on what that exactly is.

These people are often very traditional, but I point out folly to this kind of perspective because you could say I am almost more traditional. I really like tunics, and wish we could all go back to wearing tunics.

I wish we could go back to wearing tunics I want to do a total freak thing and buy a tunic and wear it around like normal clothes because I like it so much. Well, how can this be? BTW the romanticists in the 80s sometimes wore outfits that were similar to tunics mostly oversized t shirts with belts over them.

Really, a lot of their beliefs harken back to the notion of "whiteness" which is bascially a social construct, and also they very much sit to the right of the monarchy in the assembly hall. For them, their preferences are mostly based on whatever was the most recent and oppressive time or period in history. Also, conservatives tend to put a lot of emphasis on tradition.

It's also like I just mentioned I forgot to conclude though. When I said that there people who endlessly debate religion who seem a little 'untethered' ungrounded, and seemingly arbitrary.,

Well, being like that often goes along with being conservative I guess and it's like almost their history to be like that. So if you don't like that kind of thing, it's worth being aware of that.

Anyway, I already said too much so i won't bother going into further detail you'll probably just strawman me again.

I wanted to mention though, there's another kind of 'badness' like aleister crowley who differed from the norm in that he focused more on the spiritual side of being evil or bad, that likens itself more closely to true evil or the devil becuase there is some quasi spiritual component to it.

Shit I can't believe I wrote so much damn didn't intend to hard to condense my thoughts