Looking ugly is literally the worst thing for a narc
How to un-NPD myself

korean black market cosmetic surgery

>>22901802
THIS WON'T FIX MY NPD AND MY FACE IS BEYOND REPAIR OKAY

>>22901983
have you considered trepanning to remove the narcissism demon that is trapped in your skull

>>22902010
I vill try that with a gun

It's not that your appearance that's the problem it's that you reject your self-image, see if anything happens if you accept negative thoughts instead of rejecting them if you have NPD.

How do I uglymaxx?

>>22902014
I don't lack rational thought, of course I can't accept my self image but I can for sure tell that I'm cooked nonetheless
>>22902017
kys freak

>>22902019
Ok.

gaslight a girl into thinking you're not ugly or give yourself severe burn scars so people think you're cool and feel sympathy for you

>>22901800 (OP)
you're probably not going to rid yourself of the NPD if you haven't done so already; you likely lack the mental capacity, or the emotional strength
so you should pivot your narcissistic ego-construct to be based around something other than your hideous looks
you might be able to delude yourself into thinking you're cooler, or stronger, or more cultured, or have a greater intellect
you need to tell yourself you're special and superior in some regard, and build up a huge overwrought fake persona around this as a coping mechanism, so just pick something other than beauty
duh

>>22902019
You seem afraid to do so, but if you do want to deal with your NPD you should stop rejecting your negative thoughts about yourself. You might experience something but you'll be fine.

do DMT to kill your ego and realize that theres something beyond this world worth caring more for than yourself
its not hard to make

>>22902030
he's a narcissist, he already doesn't have one
damaging or removing the ego-construct he builds up around the already-destroyed ego—for psychological survival—would just cause him to have what's called a 'narcissistic decompensation'
he should stay away from entheogens altogether

>>22902027
I already do that. But what is someone smart and interesting without also looking good? There's millions of those people. I need to be superb in all of the traits I care about. I don't even wanna look good to pull girls or some crap, it would just make me a standout in every sense.
>>22902028
What. How am I rejecting the negative thoughts are you retarded
>>22902030
Doesn't work already tried

>>22902062
You reject them by putting focus onto something else like your appearance, you should focus on those thoughts.

>>22902066
How can I not reject my self image if I'm not better than most others what

>>22902062
if you're not beautiful, you won't ever be
you're simply going to have to shift your bloated fucking ego-construct around the fact that you're mundane-looking
I don't see a way around this for you save devaluing beauty itself—perhaps buy into some kind of aesthetic relativism framework?

you could if you wanted to, right?
you're capable of it?

>>22902069
Why do you think you're not better than other people?

>>22902061
ah you're right

>>22902072
I CAN'T FUCKING DELULU MYSELF
>>22902073
I AM BETTER JUST NOT IN THIS RESPECT WHICH IS TRAGIC

>>22902077
unfortunately, but your heart was in the right place
it's sad that he can't get from the experience what you did

>>22902086
>I CAN'T FUCKING DELULU MYSELF
course you can
it's your whole fucking deal
you're nothing but a big ball of delulu
now if you're not in control of it—if you can't bend it to your will—well, that's more of a personal failing

perhaps beauty isn't the only axis where we find shortcomings

>>22902086
Okay that's fine, but if you do want to deal with your NPD you should stop rejecting negative thoughts.

>>22902095
You don't fucking get it do you? It's about deluluing others and I obviously can't delulu others about my looks can I. God you're dense
>>22902101
I AM NOT WHAT ARE YOU SAYING

>>22902111
so you don't actually believe you're superior?
you're not actually smart nor interesting either, on top of being ugly?

>>22902112
I am but obviously not as much as I make others believe I am

>>22902116
I haven't seen any evidence of you being particularly intelligent or interesting
you seem very much like a garden-variety narcissist
there are many millions of you

>>22902117
Are you trying to insult me or something. How should you know on such a 2 dimensional platform as 4chan
You're clearly retarded

>>22902111
I think you're scared about thinking about these negative thoughts, are you sure you don't?

>>22902118
there's simply never very much to you people
a 2-dimensional platform is apropos
inner is void, outer is delusion, symptoms are textbook
how interesting can you be if your entire being is described in the literature?

>>22902119
Ah yes, giga scared of negative thoughts this is why I'm so close to impulsively blowing my brains out lolll
>>22902121
Whatever you say, go read your textbook

>>22902124
I've already read it; you're rendered as perspex
if you had the intellect and depth you delude yourself as having, you wouldn't need to build up those tumid ego-constructs
they're a cope for the fact you're devoid of an inner world

how interesting is nothing whatsoever?

>>22902132
You have no clue what NPD's are like lmao you really need to read that textbook

>>22902124
Have you tried?

>>22902419
tell me what I've said that's incorrect
I'm open to learning more if I've made a mistake

>>22902425
I see what you're doing but they're going rationalize out of it because it's not an objective problem they're having.

Man these fucking niggers I just wanna look good

I'm probably not even a narc I just said so to make a funny post and these ppl are trying to e-diagnose me now

>>22902432
You said you want to un-NPD yourself, if you feel bad about it that's okay but you did ask.
>>22902437
You might or might not you haven't said a lot about it.

>>22902429
what do you see me as doing, out of interest?

>>22902445
You're trying to catch them on a contradiction to force them to realize the issue. It's better to walk them through the issue because they'll just reject the contradiction.

>>22902432
I will fuck you in the ass. The humiliation will embolden you and you'll go onto becoming a 10/10 chad who stops posting weeb shit on 4chan. Btw I know it's you, drunkard.hpmnm

>>22902454
I can see your perspective now, but you're assuming I'm trying to help them; I loathe narcissists for personal reasons—I'm just pulling at the mask for my own sick catharsis

>>22902460
Why is everyone on this board a fucking faggot

>>22902462
Yeah that makes sense, you did say you wanted them to keep their personality construct but there more effective ways to do that.

>>22902465
All the gods, all the heavens, all the hells, are within you.

>>22902465
Have you tried reflecting on negative thoughts about yourself anon? I want you to feel better, I don't want you to have to be protecting yourself all the time.
I assume swiss healthcare is good there? Have you gone to a therapist?
The narcissistic decompensation thing would work as long as you have someone affectionate there to help you.

>>22902470
did I say that?
I recognise he's completely dependent on it—it's what functions *as* him to a great extent
but I wouldn't exactly say I 'want him to keep it', he just doesn't have a choice and there's no alternative; it's a lifelong pathology

>>22902479
I am going to court mandated therapy and they say I have ASPD but I don't think so it's probably autism or something

>>22902520
I would have guessed retardation based on your replies. Also you're clearly gay as fuck.

>>22902520
I doubt it's either but I don't know you that well. You don't have to but do you know why you think you have NPD?
>>22902481
Oh sorry I confused you with >>22902027
Yeah you just wanted to point out the contradiction, my bad.

>>22902661
My IQ is high enough to boost my ego just sadly I don't have the looks to accompany it
Also why the fuck would I be gay sybau
>>22902669
Because I want to look good just so I can boast with it, not for any relationship or sex that I don't get anything out of anyway

>>22902671
That's not necessarily an indicator of NPD. Do you know why you want to look good?

>>22902671
All weebs are gay. It's just fact.

>>22902669
those are both me
I don't think either post expresses a desire of mine for him to rid himself of his ego construct
rather than trying to point out a contradiction, I was simply offering him the chance to explain how his experience differs from my understanding of NPD, that I might refine my perspective—the impulse was a desire for knowledge and a willingness to accept that I might be wrong, nothing more than that

>>22902674
Because I can't change it??? I would also be whining if I had to grow up in a poor family or something. It has a big impact in how you are perceived by people that don't know you and no I'm not a braindead blackpiller but that is how it is
>>22902684
I'm not a weab + so you're no better than a weab

>>22902692
You are gey, I know it. God knows it.

>>22902697
project harder faggot

>>22902692
Aright, what do you think people would say if you did change your appearance?
>>22902690
No no I was saying you wanted them to keep their construct.

>>22902706
Very gay reply, just as before. Swissfag.

>>22902709
do I want that?

>>22902719
Yeah you said for them to pivot their ego-construct to something else instead of removing it.

>>22902709
I would feel myself better and could probably skip some of the prework depending on the person

>>22902750
You think the person wouldn't like you if you didn't have a better appearance?

>>22902727
is that not just pragmatism, rather than a desire for him to either keep or remove it?
>how do I X?
>you do Y
my wants don't seem to factor into that—you seem to be trying to tell me what it is that I want
building up a genuine ego to supplant the construct is AFAIK extremely rare, and likely far beyond his emotional and intellectual abilities (i.e., if he could then he would, but he doesn't so he can't), and so I didn't consider it as a realistic option for him

my actual wants for him involve his removal from society, to a place where he can either be purged of the maladaption, or where at least actual unbroken human beings can be shielded from his sickness—I don't really care which, he's human poison

>>22902755
Some people for sure, or at least the first impression wouldn't be as good. I am quite confident to be able to make myself likeable by my behavior- except for myself, I think genetics are unfair and I hate how I look

>>22902772
Do you look feminine?

>>22902783
Fuck no, I look like Anton Chigurh

>>22902789
So what's the issue? Just go and talk to women. That's really the only step. Never tried it myself since I was young but I'm a fat Fick now so..

>>22902794
IT'S NOT ABOUT FUCKING WOMEN RETAR
I could be 200kg and 5'6 and pull chicks

>>22902797
So you are gay? I'm confused. Wtf do you want you mad fucker? You clearly don't want fri3nds.

>>22902992
I want good looks is it that hard to understand, how else would I love myself?

>>22902992
he's struggling with the dissonance between who he is in his grandiose fantasies, and who he is in reality
he's refused the advice of "get plastic surgery", "change your fantasies", and "heal from having to live as a character of your own design", and is instead seeking to become pretty to match his delusions via recondite alchemical processes

>>22902772
Are their thoughts on your appearance important to you?
>>22902769
He's probably not a narc though. You're following the liberal ethic to a T, which is fine, but I think you're just trying to figure out yourself rather than them.

>>22903045
>Are their thoughts on your appearance important to you?
Extremely (for some reason) I don't know if they're important for utilitarian purposes or for other

>>22903038
Nobody loves themselves. Good bye.

>>22903051
I want others to believe I love myself (convincingly(maybe I just want them to be jealous))

>>22903045
>He's probably not a narc though.
I'm assuming that he is for the purposes of the thread, because he stated that he is
>You're following the liberal ethic to a T, which is fine
why do you assume I'm adhering to a morality in the liberal vein when I'm directly advocating the removal of his rights, freedom, and autonomy for the wider good of society?
it's informed by humanist ethics, yes, but seemingly antithetical to liberalism from my perspective
>I think you're just trying to figure out yourself rather than them.
why do you imagine I'm trying to figure myself—or him—out here? my position on both he and myself has not changed
he asked a question and I answered to the best of my ability

>>22903048
Are you afraid they'll think poorly of you?
>>22903118
>why do you assume I'm adhering to a morality in the liberal vein when I'm directly advocating the removal of his rights, freedom, and autonomy for the wider good of society?
That's disciplinarian, which you seem to recognize holds a contradiction, but yes that is within the liberal vein.

>>22903364
No but I want them to think positive of me in the areas I care about

>>22903364
>That's disciplinarian
how so? the intent is not to punish
it's purely utilitarian for the good of wider society, with the humanist aspect coming from it not being an advocation of outright euthanasia
also, what contradiction are you speaking about?

>>22903364
once again, you seem to be attempting to tell me the source of my own sentiment
is this something you do often?
it comes across as arrogant for you to be telling me what I want, and now what I think

>>22903376
Do you want to be looked at positively by others?

>>22903408
>>22903423
>the intent is not to punish
But you want him to begone
>also, what contradiction are you speaking about?
You have to revoke his human rights because he is evil, but he is human.
>it comes across as arrogant
Yeah I don't disagree

>>22903687
Yes it feels very good and gets you what you want easily
Affirmation is some kind of drug even though I care about the people behind it little most of the times

just be me

>>22903702
no.

>>22903708
then do not

>>22903693
Ah, do you feel that people don't care about you very often?

>>22903710
I want them to care in a positive (and if they care in a negative but to me positive) way

>>22903714
Did your parents neglect you often?

>>22903725
No I was adpted at a young age into a basically perfect family

someone is deleting posts

>>22903737
Not on my watch

>>22903740
it's happening inspite of your watch. great watch you have. a rolex?

>>22903742
yes

I wish I did not hesitate

>>22903734
So you often felt that they paid attention to you and cared for you?

>>22903776
They where rather distant but only because that's what I liked and rejected anything else quite harshly

>>22903687
>But you want him to begone
and that alone makes it disciplinarianism, even though the motivation isn't at all punitive?
no, I don't agree
>You have to revoke his human rights because he is evil, but he is human.
and how does that contradict the motivation being humanistic? I would say it affirms it
if it's utilitarian and humanistic, but not liberal, wherein lies the contradiction?
please don't attempt to describe mine as a liberal ethic, and then point out the difference between my utilitarian humanism and liberalism as contradiction
I would explicitly deprive him of individual rights because I don't view him as fully human, and I want to protect humans from people like him—is that liberalism to you?
your initial impression was incorrect, and you should perhaps try to stop your bad habit of telling people what their views are

>>22903853
too many words

>>22903856
Read it retard

>>22903858
nah it's late

>>22903859
Ok foid

>>22903856
you're a zoomer?

>>22903863
What's so bad about being a zoomer?

>>22903870
absolutely nothing inherently
but I wrote—what?—a sentence as a response to the first point, and a paragraph to the second?
>too many words
so rather than assume him an idiot, I was curious if he was instead a zoomer who conformed to the stereotypes I have of the generation—i.e. typically not used to reading books, typically very used to reading brevitic online responses rather than more prolix discussion
or perhaps he's older and just an anti-intellectual—I'm assuming nothing about him; I was just asking

it shouldn't need to be said that not all zoomers conform to the 'broccoli-headed tiktok fuckwit' stereotype—some are highly intelligent, and highly original
the fact they might also lack the attention span to read a single paragraph says more about the environment created by their parents than it does them

>>22903815
You preferred being by yourself than talking to them and they obliged?

>>22902025
This might just be the funniest response i've seen to that

Hey OP sorry if I was being too inefficient with the conversation, you should try bringing up your family history at your next therapy appointment, even if there's nothing there you should bring it up to see if it leads to anything. Just be safe.

>>22902030
Drugs dont actually give you more empathy, they make you think you have more empathy and connectedness, euphoria dampening other feelings.