If you have land and you're not growing a food forest, what are you even doing?

Buying a fruit bush/vine/tree costs less than a season's worth of fruit in most cases. The payoff on the investment is huge.

>>22949680 (OP)
ive been interested in goji berries when i see them advertised in seed catalogues. had good luck with mulberry, currant, and blackberry. rotten luck with raspberry. would try goji berry and also elderberry and see if it works out

>>22949681
Really? What zone are you in? Raspberry does almost too well in my clime.

What kind of mulberry you growing? We need more people growing red mulberry.

theres also a cherry tree in the neighborhood i'd like to take a cutting from and propagate another tree. also nut trees, filberts would be good.

>>22949680 (OP)
I planted 2 concord grape vines this season. I cleared the dead wood from the forest and thinned the canopy. I spread seeds for deer forage and it's coming in nice. In an emergency I can dig up some of the radishes, turnips, harvest some peas. Plus there is a small amount of wheat and barley growing there too.
The deer stay close, so they are a food source, as are the cattails growing nearby.
Plus the walnut and hickory nuts are plentiful as are the squirrels that eat them.

>>22949680 (OP)
>The payoff on the investment is huge.

>>22949681
Oh, and I should probably add that you shouldn't grow elderberry anywhere that kids who don't know better can get to them.

You may also want to check out nannyberry.

>>22949685
Dude, you have no idea.
Look at how much aronia berries cost. It's an autofertile shrub, so you only need one. Mine cost me TWENTY BUCKS.

>>22949682
5a, not great for raspberry or most other warm weather stuff. we used to have a bush that grew by the drying machine vent, but absent that its been too rough in the winter for them.

mulberry variety is unknown, just the mulberry tree that happened to be on the property and has always done well. not the long berry kind. they taste best when they are dark with still a little red color bleeding thru the cracks. had good success in low stress training the plant to lean away from the fence. bird got pissed a few years ago when i harvested a decent amount and aimed to shit on my car. very disrespectful.

there are tiny wild grapes that grow in my area that would be good to propagate also

thanks for reading my blog!

Don't go thinking "I can just buy it at the store!", because *it's just not true*.

So many fruits simply cannot handle transport. If you want to eat it, you need to either grow it yourself or know someone who does, and everyone loves the guy who has an abundance of delicious food. Why not be that guy?

>>22949688
>Zone 5
Have you tried honeyberries?

>>22949690
actually was considering them a while back. will consider again this fall/next spring

>>22949680 (OP)
I don't have land, and judging by how rapidly the prices are going up, I'll never have any.
It's better to focus on things I could achieve within my lifetime.

>>22949691
They are really good. If you like blueberries, they're 100% up your alley.

>>22949692
Do you have a balcony or a South facing window? There are a lot of things that can be grown indoors. In your climate, you can probably grow citrus.

>>22949693
Yes but I can't eat citrus it'll flare up my stomach.
I have just enough room to grow stuff for fun, not to sustain myself and never needing the supermarket-jew again.
What are some good things for a beginner?

>>22949694
You could start with an herb garden. It takes up very little room, is easily done indoors, smells fucking amazing and it'll have a massive impact on the quality of your food with the least input.

Even something as simple as growing a couple different kinds of mint would be a huge step up from nothing.

If shit goes to hell, wouldn't you like to be able to freshen your breath?

>>22949695
Mint flares up acid reflux too.. it sucks being a jew with hereditary stomach problems
you have it good leafanon

>>22949696
I'm far from in good health, unfortunately.
Can you handle tomatoes? Chives?

>>22949697
>I'm far from in good health, unfortunately
I think a lot of my stomach issues are related to the shit I've been eating for so many years. Some of the stuff that flare up my reflux might be alright if homegrown.
>Can you handle tomatoes? Chives?
Tomatoes are alright as long as it's not a retardedly big and concentrated amount like on an entire pizza for example. Chives I've never tried.

>>22949698
Chives are a lot like green onions, but much smaller. They're beautiful plants, in my personal opinion. It's like a little green bush of green spears with these pretty little (edible) flowers on top.
On a hot summer day, grabbing a spear or two and just nibbling on it is oddly satisfying.

>>22949699
Do you grow any spices or stuff to spice up drinks? Back when we had a garden we had some bushes of Za'atar which is nice on bread or certain types of cheese, and also Atra (picrel) which is nice with coffee.

>>22949700
I'm fairly limited in regards to that. Most spices require hot climates. I've had some success growing peppers before, but those are annuals so I try to focus less on them in these threads.
I tried growing some ginger, but didn't have much luck. I'm thinking of setting aside a spot for some mustard, though.

>>22949680 (OP)
I tried, I just suck at gardening.

>>22949680 (OP)
In Romania we call those Satan's penis

>>22949702
It's new to you, of course you suck at it. You'll suck less the more you learn.

>>22949702
Then stop sucking faggot and actually plant something instead to chew dicks in your mouth behind the bush

>>22949686
I eat elderberries by the handful they’re really not dangerous

>>22949706
You can't eat the unripe ones.

>>22949704
>>22949705
I spent four grand on ten raised beds and topsoil, filled them by hand, and farmed them for three years. I had some minor successes. Got some beans, watermelon, tomatoes, onions, peppers, serranos, beets, peas, spinach, lettuce, probably a few other things I forgot.
But the yield was just so small compared to the money and labor that went into it, and I'm not in the best of health.
What really broke my heart were my attempts to grow Invicta gooseberries. I tried each of the three years and never got a single one. (The first year the plants survived but the berry company fucked up and sent me red berries instead of green Invictas, and I absolutely wanted Invictas).
Also tried growing apple trees and a plum tree. They all died except for one (a bunch of fucking moles ate the roots). I had my first apple of the surviving tree literally yesterday. I don't think it was ripe yet. A deformed retard apple about the size of a key lime. Tasted like shit.
Who knows, maybe I'll eat a normal apple off that tree some year.
My garden area is completely overgrown with briars, vines, and tree saplings. The fences are falling apart. It will take me a year to rehabilitate that area.
I did notice a few gooseberries surviving in the thicket of greenery and thorns. But they're fucking red. Not Invictas.
I just suck at gardening.

>>22949708
Then why don't you fucking take the dick out of your mouth when you're gardening to stop sucking? Did you escaped from a ward?

>>22949709
>obsession with sucking dicks
Is this a gypsy thing?

>>22949708
>I tried each of the three years and never got a single one. (The first year the plants survived but the berry company fucked up and sent me red berries instead of green Invictas, and I absolutely wanted Invictas).
That's some fucking bullshit, man. I hope you left a bad review.
Apples are a pain in the ass, IMO. There are a lot of people who grow them professionally where I live so I don't find them particularly worthwhile unless you're getting a weird variety like the ones with pink flesh.

I like stuff that's low effort and low maintenance.

>>22949711
>Apples are a pain in the ass
Yeah, the gooseberries and apples were for nostalgic reasons. The surviving tree is Liberty instead of the Cortland I wanted. I just got the Liberty for pollenation.
The universe has spoken and it wants me to get my produce from Walmart.

>>22949712
Nah, it just means you were getting the wrong plants.
There are a lot of things I'd like to grow here but just can't. Them's the breaks.
If the apples you do have aren't good for eating out of hand, then try baking them or turning them into cider. Apple butter is fucking amazing, if you've never had some.

>>22949680 (OP)
got 3 blueberry bushes planted last year. got a good pint or so this year. next year is gonna be good.
fig tree planted last year its got a good quart or so ripening on it. next year its gonna be YUGE.
rest of teh yard is devloted to chicken grazing and veggie garden. maters are going nuts.
almost lost my peppers cuz it rained for 2 weeks straight but now theyre looking good. lots of cucs ready for pickling. honeydew will come in in like 3-4 weeks

>>22949710
You keep saying you keep sucking at gardening retard, ain't no obsession of mine is your's if you can't take a dick out not even when you do something else

>>22949714
>fig tree planted
Dude, fucking nice.
I got some free hosta's this year, which was nice.
>maters are going nuts.
Mine seem to be doing well, but it'll be a couple weeks before I really start getting a harvest from them.

>>22949713
I did consider making hard cider, maybe I'll give it a try if I get a decent amount.

>>22949717
Cider is so fucking good, man.
If you really want to get shitfaced, make applejack.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Applejack_(drink)

It's just one extra step!

My goal is 5 acres with horses

>>22949719
Mmmmm. Horse.
Like the halfway point between deer and beef.

I just realized my ID has ham in it.
Clearly, I should be raising pigs.

>>22949716
zone 7a. we transplanted from a clipping from my parents. it took really well. next year we're gonna try fig jam if we get enough. my maters went crazy during the 2 weeks of rain and are about to start giving me houndreds of cherry tomatoes

>>22949680 (OP)
why do you keep making this thread? are you data mining?

>>22949723
Because I want more people to grow their own food.

>>22949722
>cherry tomatoes
These are so good. I like cutting mine in half, tossing them into a pyrex dish, coating in salt, pepper, olive oil and then roasting them really low and slow in my convection oven until they're nice and dehydrated. Toss *that* on a pizza.

>>22949680 (OP)
4 kilograms of red currents from my own garden. I cook them in preserving jars with pectin and sugar, they become edible for years.

>>22949726
Look at the colour on those. Gorgeous.

>>22949680 (OP)
Planted 40 white walnut, 35 took, think I'll be long dead before I get one nut, but whoever buys the shithole next is going to be thrilled to have 80' trees raining those spiky bastards all over their vehicle.

>>22949723

This is actually probably one of the most important threads I've seen on /pol/ in weeks.

OP is moving in the right direction. Improving one's food sovereignty anyway you can is huge. A lot of fruit trees & bushes are perennials so they keep on giving

>>22949728
Even if they don't give a shit about the nuts, the wood is fantastic.

>>22949729
Food prices don't get better during wartime.
Having any sort of added nutrition could be the difference between surviving and not.

>>22949729
wellni guess thats great, for some reason all my gardening, jam making, food canning, beer making, cooking and foraging threads get deleted. i shot this raccoon because he at all the peaches on my peach tree

>>22949726
For shits and giggles I took a look at the prices for red currants.
https://www.instacart.com/products/3151520-sunbelle-red-currants-6-oz

6 ounces (~170 grams) is just shy of 8 bucks. A red currant plant is like 20 bucks.

my wife and i have been growing cucumbers the last couple years and it's worked out great. was thinking about doing peppers and onions next, as they are the veggies we use most. any tips?

>>22949734
I was actually thinking of growing leeks as you can leave them in the ground until you need them. Easy to just go harvest one or two.
Onions do fairly well as no-till, right?
I usually do peppers in pots.

>>22949735
>I usually do peppers in pots
Same, my planters are full of them but they never do very well in the garden. Soil pH problem maybe. Then again, timing is everything in leaf zones.

Imagine not having your own dacha
This is the first year I'm using the greenhouse. Hopefully it pays off

>>22949687
Aronia tastes horrible and you can replace it with basic vegetables like cabbage, carrot, onion etc

>>22949738
Aronia makes fantastic jams and juices. It has more antioxidants than basically any other fruit.

>>22949680 (OP)
I try growing something new every year. this year I cut away more oaks and planted some fig trees. I think I'll add more apples and pawpaws next year

>>22949680 (OP)
>>510662560
>wellni guess thats great, for some reason all my gardening, jam making, food canning, beer making, cooking and foraging threads get deleted.

Any discussion that encourages people to develop their own systems which provide abundance of various kinds (food, energy, heat, water, shelter etc) are discouraged on here by FEDs and adjacent organizations.

Besides spiritual awakening and finding Jesus Christ these topics are the biggest threat to the general power structure.

Slid to /bant I see. This is their MO. They always slide to /bant and then often delete from here.

Hah. /pol/ jannies actually gave me a ban for this one.

>>22949740
How are pawpaws? I've seen them advertised occasionally, could never grow them here.

>>22950034

Seriously though by virtue of what they try and censor they out the importance of being self sufficient and sovereign in whatever ways you can. Especially if you are helping other people do the same.

They'd rather have people seethe about the latest news and try to demoralize.

They are terrified of people of people ignoring them en mass and then building, growing, & creating.

Doing God's work brother carry on

>>22950038
Like if you had a custard made of mango, banana and pineapple.

>>22950034
You have to frame it within the scope of political doom scrolling about food insecurity and maybe it won't get shoahd.

>>22950039
>>22950041
Testing the waters one ban at a time.

That really is the reason I'm making the threads, though.
I want more people to survive food insecurity in the coming years.

>>22950040
>Mango
Bleh. I could see the appeal though, good to know.

>>22950038
they taste good. tropical and creamy and different varieties are slightly different from each other. unfortunately my trees aren't old enough to fruit yet and I've only tasted them in ohio (I'm in maine 5a) they've done just fine in the winter though one almost died because I didn't dig the hole big enough and some clay choked it out but I think I've got it on the mend

>>22950048
5a is really pushing it for pawpaw.

>>22950048
Good work salvaging it, wouldn't have a hope in hell surviving my soil (basically clay) let alone winter. I may have to try one sometime, but I really can't stand mango.

>>22950050
maybe, but I just dump grass around them for winter protection and it's been fine.

I've also got kiwiberry that I started from seed but they haven't flowered yet. hopefully next year. some of them have vined 14' tall but I don't want to prune until I can determine which vines are male and female. I got the seeds from store bought kiwiberries. taste just like kiwi, grape shaped and size and no fuzzy skin

>>22950057
My kiwiberries are almost an inch long already. It'll be my first ones, so I'm really excited.

>>22950056
It's basically the most cold tolerant of the tropical fruit.

>>22949680 (OP)
>Buying a fruit bush/vine/tree costs less than a season's worth of fruit in most cases.
>what is water, fertilizer, soil, plant food

>>22951680
None of these costs make what I said in the OP less true.
You make back way more money.