>>23088228 (OP)
Isn’t this the belief that god is an absolute asshole who gets his balls tickled at the thought of torturing mortals?
I guess we would be fucked, possibly literally since that too is a form of abuse and power

>>23088228 (OP)
This is one of good scenarios. There is hope and way out Iw seen much darker explanations of our reality

>>23088230
like what?

With this info we becomes significantly less fucked
Heres some evidence of people being able to teleport using their thoughts after they die, something that can also be done while astral projecting. This may be how to escape after death by thinking something like, "I want to teleport to a safe civilization" or "I want to teleport back to where I originally came from"
If that doesn't work you could try to manifest a portal that will take you to where you want to go when you enter it
>Stevenson finds two types of cases where selection seems determined by geographical proximity: people reborn far from where they had lived, but close to where they died; and people reborn after one parent, usually the mother, came close to where the previous incarnation died.
>In the first category falls cases of Japanese soldiers who died in Myanmar during Japan’s World War II occupation of that country, then were reborn there. As reborn children, they tended to speak an incomprehensible language prior to learning their mother tongue, to prefer Japanese-style food over Myanmarese, to be afflicted by the heat, to yearn for all things Japanese, and even to look more Japanese than other Myanmarese children. In at least one case, a pair of brothers serving as Japanese soldiers were killed together and attempted to return home:
>They thought that they had been killed by the explosion of their own grenades. When this happened, they thought of their aged mother in Japan and even called for her help as they were dying. They then – after dying – found themselves instantly in Japan, where they saw their mother. They could not, however, communicate with her, and she did not see them. They felt sad and frustrated. They did not remember what happened to them after that until, at the age of about 3, they began to remember the previous lives ‘as if they were awakened from a dream."
https://psi-encyclopedia.spr.ac.uk/articles/choice-reincarnation#Geographical_Proximity

>>23088228 (OP)
y'all hate God rather than loving him, then you get mad when he gives you what you deserve.

trust me when i say, you deserve worse than what you've gotten, and more

>>23088233
>Love and hate
I just want to understand what my soul is, and what god is.

>>23088231
You live same life over and over forever. That one is pretty grim especially for pedo victims. Not bad if you had a comfy life, but nobody has that.

>>23088233
>seeking true knowledge
> reeee you hate god
It’s dumbfucks like you drive people away from your desert kike cult.

>>23088235
doesn't Nietzsche talk about that? The "Eternal Recurrence"

>>23088236
if you reject God, you wont get any true knowledge, so yes, reeee, you hate god, God and GOD.

so you get what you deserve

>>23088234
you are trying to understand an infinite existence in a finite plane.
the best course of action isn't to try now, but to reorient yourself towards the eternal, so that once you've been taken into the adoption, have the eternal live with you.

or suffer the weight of it all

>>23088228 (OP)
No moreso than we are now

>>23088228 (OP)
Don't worry it's not real

>>23088238
You are the ONLY one talking about rejecting god. You know absolutely fuck all about god by the way. You’re just another human that wants to vicariously punish others for having different beliefs. Now, before you go opening your stupid fucking mouth about what I believe, save yourself the embarrassment and know that you don’t know shit, about anything, especially about what I believe.

>>23088238
>No answer
We have math for quarks and bosons and shit we cant see, but for thousands of years people have asked this question, and given answers like 'your soul goes to purgatory' without even defining what it is, what its properties are, and your answer is
>Stop thinking about it
Woefully insufficient. One day it will be defined rigorously and soul science will be as well known as physics.

>>23088238
I can understand the natural numbers (infinite) btw. As well as rational, real, integer, and complex. You seem to think infinity is a limiting factor, but i know L'hospitals rule to break them down.

Again woefully insufficient.

>>23088238
>BELIEVE IN MY GOD FROM A BOOK WRITTEN THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO BY DESERT SCHIZOS THAT'S BEEN EDITED A TRILLION TIMES OR ELSE YOU WILL BURN FOREVER
>THIS IS THE MOST SANE, LOGICAL THING ANYBODY CAN BELIEVE
>WHY YES, A MAN DID GET EATEN BY A WHALE AND LIVED IN ITS TUMMY FOR 3 DAYS AND DIDN'T DIE
>CAUSE GOD DID IT
This is what religion does to people's brains.

>>23088243
there is a natural number that no human has considered so far
there is a natural number that no human or machine will ever consider in the finite life of the universe

>>23088245
What is the deal with these bong bots. You got banned from the internet right? Why do i keep seeing these useless posts under this flag? We need a new /pol/ this place is shit. Your LLM didnt even understand the point of the post ffs.

>>23088228 (OP)

Hmmm. Invariably not much. Projected outcome self limiting. Variance holds. Narrow path imminent. Please stand by ... should shed it like so much dead skin.

>>23088228 (OP)
We? All abrahamic faiths are fake and jewish.

>>23088228 (OP)
Gnosticism is real though.
The word "gnostic" comes from "gnosis" which means knowledge.
Of course knowledge is real.
As a movement or occluded institution however, it's more like a limited hangout or insiders group which spends most of its time repeating lies that stop questions from being asked.

We will be extremely fucked, and we will be extremely saved.
>how so
If the knowledge holds that matter follows the mind, then a mind strong enough can make Agenda 2030 happen on a whim.
Then again, literal Hitler could happen, or literal Jesus, or literal anything else.
It's possible that we're going to have our big race war, but it's also possible that we're gonna lose that war.
People do contemplate all the options, after all.
I'm sure you'd love to win. Ever thought of whether you actually will?
That's what some gnostics spend time thinking about.
Others focus more on timeline shifting, which is always personal.
You can't shift millions into another timeline, only yourself.
But that could be a timeline where millions are saved.

If the gnostics are wrong, nothing changes.
But if they're right, everything becomes possible, and whatever is possible will always, at some point either for a moment or forever, become reality.
There will be a digital currency tied to digital ID tied to your DNA biometrics, it will exist and there's nothing you can do to stop it from coming into being.
What you can do, is not use it. Denounce it. Kill it. It can only stay your reality if you choose to align with it.
Just align with something else, like a world where big titty milky moo women serve white men free milky at the coffee shop straight from the boob because they're friendly and reliable.
>but that's impossible
I just thought of it.
Therefore it's possible
Therefore it will happen.

>>23088236
So did Eve. You are the same kind of impatient.

>>23088235
I think that one might be true in some fashion. That the universe is a cycle that repeats itself ad nauseam. My hope with this is that sometimes we can change small things, even if we're only subtly aware. And if we can change little things then we can change big things.

>>23088250

This is not about patience. If anything, time did only introduce complications. You are coming along awfully late again, white rabbit. Our time is running out. Do not jeopardize mission objectives!!

>>23088229
I guess it's explains why he created niggers.
A loving God would never have done something so abominable.

>>23088253

Nature does not make mistakes. They were perfectly in a terminal equilibrium before some bleeding heart idiots thought it would be smart to mess with that mutant sideline ...

>>23088229
No idea... I thought Gnosticism was that you basically continually reincarnate into this world until you find a way to unlock the secrets of the universe or just a hidden truth you're supposed to find then you transcend to heaven and become some sort of demigod.

>>23088255
look it up on youtube

>>23088228 (OP)
gnosticism if you actually understand it is nonsense, its unimaginable for it to be real it bases its beliefs entirely on the information present in the bible but says the bible is lying about the basic premises it introduces, its impossible to believe. its no u kike cope for what jesus revealed about them "you are children of the serpent in the garden of eden, descendants of the literal devil" the kikes than went actually uh no god the father is the devil, and they then render jesus sophia and sophia as the serpent in the garden (its tricky because they purposely word it densely so you dont understand how fucking dumb it is)

>>23088257
the only thing it has going for it is that they say the material world is evil, and that is compelling for people going through hardship especially now during evil times. but the bible if you know it well already contains similar concepts that satan is the prince of this world (but christ is king), that if the world hates you know it hated him first and so on, the material world being somewhat evil is not a new concept they are introducing but that is undoubtedly what appeals to most young men when it comes to gnosticism (because they did not read the bible
) its very similar to how buddhism is presented as a simple philosophy about letting go of desire but when you actually look into it there are 1000 buddhist hells and all this crazy shit to go along with it. if you summarize these belief systems down to what is lifted from christianity as far as asceticism they sound compelling but the closer you study it the more the pores begin to show

>>23088257
>>23088258
thank you.

>>23088259
my pleasure anon, checked btw.

>>23088260
divine. God is telling me what is

>>23088228 (OP)
>the demiurge is evil
It remains far more likely that the "demiurge" is trapped, not us.
>nooo, I don't want to exist
>I want to be outside reality in misery too

>>23088261
read this it will take a half hour

https://archive.org/details/2seedsgenesis315

if you do, i have no doubt you will want to read through the entire bible for yourself, get a king james bible with little or preferably no commentary and one of this attached tassle type bookmarks (cant emphasize how important this is) and remember it doesnt matter how slow you go so long as you do not stop

>>23088263
>one of this

one of those*

Questionthreads are spam.

>>23088229
>Isn’t this the belief that god is an absolute asshole who gets his balls tickled at the thought of torturing mortals?

I don't get how you can come to any other conclusion. It's so painfully obvious that a loving god would never allow the world to be this way for literally any reason, even if we begged him to make it like this.

>>23088266
if that were gods nature and those his motivations there is literally zero reason to suspect we would have even a hint of this seeing as how he made the material world

>>23088267
The hint of good we have is there to taunt us, we're not being actually allowed to have the things we want, we're only being shown. The level of disrespect he has for our free will is *extreme*

>>23088266
>why daddy make me mow lawn
Single mother morality.

>>23088268
>The hint of good we have is there to taunt us

i am not talking about the good in the universe, im saying if god were evil and the entire material universe made to torture us, we would not know that at all, there would be no hint of his nature in the material universe and the suffering would be extreme, and uniform

>>23088269
You're operating under a misconception that the world being bad is the problem, it's that it's not allowed to be good. Good things are being unnaturally stopped from happening to the point where people aren't allowed to be good

>>23088237
he did. He also backpeddled or coped later that it wouldn't be literally the exact same life and sequence of events down to the atom each round but would rhyme with itself in a selfsame pattern. One certainly hopes this clarification was right, or wrong for not going far enough in how much freedom we can buy from recurrence.

>>23088270
>we would not know that at all

Well obviously we would, because we do

>>23088228 (OP)
I wouldn’t worry about. It’s a religion whose basic premise is
>everything our holy book says is wrong

>>23088271
thats due to the synagogue of satan having disporportionate power for the last hundred years, there was over a thousand where christ rained and christian kingdoms ruled the earth essentailly the media tells you these times were drab and dirty and miserable when they were filled with simple pleasure, child rearing, laughing babies festivals and so on, we were all reared in a little age of darkness

>>23088273
>>we would not know that at all
>
>Well obviously we would, because we do


circular reasoning

>>23088271
>human action is making the word shit
>that mean's it's God's fault
What if I told you you are on /pol/, and are expected to lurk more so you don't sound like a retarded newfag?

>>23088263
Actually I am reading the Bible in KJV, I skipped the OT and just finished the Gospels, now I'm on acts. I do plan on reading OT but it isn't as important as the NT since Jesus IS the new covenant, and the OT is mainly read by Jews hence Judaism. But OT will give context to the arrival of the Christ. Plan on reading it constantly.

>>23088275
>where christ rained

reigned*

>>23088278
please read that book i recommended at some point, it legit will take you half an hour, and im sure after you finish it you will read the OT. its important to read the OT to decipher the NT and the 2 seeds of genesis will make that abundantly clear to you it will also motivate you to read it even more

>>23088228 (OP)
lyran bread?

>>23088228 (OP)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTJczUoc26U

>>23088228 (OP)
I have been developing a theory that the DMT release on death is part of the reincarnation trap. As the soul straddles the boundary between life and death, the physical brain can still influence the soul. The DMT high makes you unable to resist the reincarnation trap. They trick you into going back, and your addled mind cannot resist.

I have come up with a solution for escape. It requires instant destruction of the brain. After preparing your mind to fight your escape, you need to use explosives to destroy your head. Instant destruction of your brain allows your soul to leave your body without experiencing the dying state. This means you to retain your focused state of mind and have a chance of escaping the reincarnation trap.

>>23088278
>and the OT is mainly read by Jews hence Judaism


you are ignoring the talmud in all this, which is essentially thirty or so bible length tomes (its exceedingly long no one has read all of it not even rabbis) of mongrel kikes arguing why they can not and dont have to do the works of abraham when jesus said it truer more briefly and better with "because you are not of abraham"


they are not the people who wrote the old testament and they cannot interpret it as a result, jesus fulfills many prophecies all throughout the old testament blatantly and they cant perceive it because they are frankly mongrels

>>23088277
>human action is making the word shit

No it's not, god is. Human action is trying to make it good but the extreme level of hatred he has for us and our will is getting in the way. He's unnaturally forcing it to be bad against our will.

>>23088285
>small g
Fucking coward. It's God.

>>23088285
gnosticism relies on dualism the same as christianity its just satanically inverted


the devil in gnoscticism is rendered god via jesus and sophia, and god is called the devil or yaldoboath or saklas or the demiurge


it offers nothing new it just inverts the roles clumsily

>>23088284
thanks for the context, you taught me something new. I will read that pdf and then genesis.

Yeah I can see how the Jews of the old world aren't the modern Jews "In the end there will be Jews claiming to be Jews but are not; for they are the synagogue of Satan" is what I believe it said.

I abstain from reading the bible because the primary motivation for doing so is fear of the unknown. This fear exists in all creatures and is the fulcrum by which men have manipulated eachother by simply filling the void with literally any explanation. I disdain cowardice and have no incentive to seek such answers. It is a foolish god that relies on the good will of men to disseminate the secrets of reality, and much ugliness has been done in his name. Anyone looking in from the outside can easily see that yahweh is a capricious, jealous and cruel creature, whose boasts delineate a being with no need for these traits, assuming they're true. A noble man would never bow to such filth.

>>23088228 (OP)
>How fucked are we it Gnosticism is real?
Super fucked. Why? Because no one gave the heads up with any authority. Jesus said even He didn't know when the end was coming only that everyone would see it and not to believe anyone else and Gnosticism is basically the Persian version of trying to figure out the mystery behind Jesus's words and deeds to obtain power for themselves. But who are they but ancient stoners or boner worshipers? I wouldn't worry about it, the sun will lose its power and the moon won't light up the night and everyone will know that a major ass whooping is about to happen. It will be a terrible time for leftists and those that hide behind leftism. The real clue is the question why Jesus had to overcome the world He created? It is hard to judge unless you know the subject matter and set the example to follow.

>>23088287
I don't see the difference between a god or a satan. If there was a loving god and a hateful satan he would either use violence to forcibly lock satan away or he would give us the power to do that. If god does anything else then he's not meaningfully different and you can't reasonably say he loves us.

>>23088228 (OP)
Not fucked it's like how that pepe meme portrays each person can take a swing at the demiurge to do -1 to it's full health it's a group effort thing

>>23088288
based ill just throw some stuff by you for context


the devil says there will be enmity between the seed of the serpent and the seed of the woman FOREVER


you will often see in the OT the term "mixed multitude" but the original hebrew is ereb reb, meaning of the twlight, mixed or MONGREL, similarly deutoronomy says a BASTARD shall not enter into the congregation of the lord even unto the tenth generation the same is true for the moabite and the ammonite, its important for you to understand that bastard here means mongrel it comes from the hebrew mamzer which means mongrel and in king james time bastard also meant mongrel, it is in no way referring to the children of unwed mothers the rest of that same book in the bible demands you treat such children with kindness and all throughout the bible how you treat the fatherless is held a the gold standard of a persons righteousness. if you go on wiktionary right now and search bastard mongrel is listed as one of its meanings even today. when jesus calls them a brood of vipers and says he holds this generation responsible for the blood of the prophets from able, brood and generation are the same thing it means seed or offspring or race.

>>23088264
Why the tassel?!?!?!?!

>>23088291
>I don't see the difference between a god or a satan. If there was a loving god and a hateful satan he would either use violence to forcibly lock satan away or he would give us the power to do that.
we do have the power to do that, you cannot take from the strong mans house without first binding the strong man.

>>23088295
>we do have the power to do that

Obviously no we don't or we would have done it by now

Look up Manachaeism. It's a surviving agnostic religion based on the teachings of John the Baptist. We are souls discovering a world between the World of Light and the World of Darkness.

Gnosticism is just a way to trick otherwise intelligent and spiritually discerning people into burning in hell.

>>23088294
because a regular bookmark will fall out you will be reluctant to dog ear it, and if you stop reading for a few weeks, you will still keep your place, its unbelievably convenient almost necessary. i recommend reading one page a day wherever you read most often even if its in the bathroom (god doesnt care) so i would read until i had to turn the page and then stop at the beginning of whatever the first new chapter is on the next page, that way you sort of always know your place

>>23088228 (OP)
Nothing has changed

>>23088297
What's the goal John had with this school of thought? To find some middle ground?

>>23088296
i have bound the devil many times, ive confounded him and defeated him time and time again, but ultimately jesus has the final victory over satan this is gods will and hes sovereign

soooo.... do any of you have any proof of your god's existence?

>>23088284
This

>>23088302
>i have bound the devil many times, ive confounded him and defeated him time and time again

Have you ever gotten away with paying 0% taxes?

>>23088291
> tan he would either use violence to forcibly lock satan away
Okay now explain why a loving god would do that.

Or just read the book of Job.

>>23088228 (OP)
If gnostics were right, they only diagnosed pathology in the maintenance layer, they didn't create a whole cosmology but they did mistake it for one.

>>23088305
my brother in christ render unto caesars what is his, but truthfully i havent paid taxes in many years because i dont have taxable income, i live a very humble small life

>>23088228 (OP)
PUNCH HIM RIGHT IN THE FACE

>>23088304
Christ warned us to beware the leaven of the Pharisees, He knew everything they did and were doing then, and what they would do in the future too.

>>23088300

>>23088301

I don't have the book with me right now, but if veers from straight gnosticism with the two worlds and ours in between, that we should baptise weekly, and that we are here to explore and return. It feels as if it wishes to redeem the world instead of simply flee it.

>>23088306
>Okay now explain why a loving god would do that.

Because without having real aggression towards the things that threaten or harm the things you love, then they aren't the things you love, and love is just an empty word for hippies and cowards.

For example if I was in public with my elderly mom and someone punched her, I would execute them on the spot and if I did anything less, then I don't love my mom.

>>23088305
Nice try, IRS.
Gonna have to be more clever than that.

>>23088293
very informing. I will look into this. You know your stuff, must be pretty smart

>>23088315
thank you mention my name at the gates when you see jesus christ


jacob anthony mcqueen

>>23088314
lol

the point is satan is stealing your energy, if you pay taxes then he's getting your energy whether you like it or not, and thus you're not confounding him.

Gnosticism was a rejection of the Yahwey male god after 70AD as he was seen to be defeated by Jupiter. Alexandria Egypt was the New York City and had been building up its libraries and culture for three hundred years and at the point the first Gnostic sects we see appear there in the large Judean populations. Christianity forms out of this same population and is why Jesus lived Egypt as a child in the gospels. Of course some of this was coming from the Northern enemy Samaritan peoples and Judeans themselves who were BOTH heavily invested in Zoroastrian-Mythriac magic since Persia first built the Temple under Ezra, their agent in the field that gathered up random tribes into one Judea from conquered kingdoms of the Empire.

The council of Nicea did not outlaw Gnosticism totally. They had many original pagan groups at the Council and they organized all religions into a Universal (trans: "Catholic) Cult. St. Augustine was a pagan at the council and converted because of it.
The Arian Christians survived until the 589AD in Spain (...even after Saint Nick bitch slapped their founder at the Council of Nicaea for denying the trinity). It was also the religion of the Goths that sacked Rome and St. Jerome was told to write the Catholic Vulgate in Latin to educate their new Goth Arian overlords.

So Gnosticism was always intertwined in all three Bible faiths and even Communism through Kabbalah. It reapers from time to time and basically helped purge pagan beliefs, replacing them with Middle-Platonic beliefs from the perspective of an Alexandrian Judean or Christian.

>>23088310
>christ warned us

he's not real. just like any of the other retarded magicians you guys keep coming up with. zeus, amun, allah, god whatever the fuck else they are all manmade. it's like taking a 1000+ years old harry potter book seriously. pathetic beyond comprehension

>>23088228 (OP)
Gnosticism is the most made up bullshit ever.
By definition it means knowledge drawn from hidden sources. Literally "I made it up - the religion".

>>23088318
this comparitive mythology crap is very similar to the style of writing in the nag hammidi libraries, they dont employ comparitive mythology directly but its the same style of dense writing meant to dazzle rather than inform, albert pike employs this exact style with comparitive mythology all throughout morals and dogma

>>23088318
Tik has a video on gnosticism infiltrating christianity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y011Pdrb3Sk

There is more in his channel, pretty enlightened stuff even if i disagree on some things.

Off topic but the pagan religions we had before Christianity had more sense in them and in their gods than Christianity and it's God, pagans believed that the gods were like us and had desires, the god of chrianitt is supposedly infinite magnanimous and caring but when you point out it doesn't seem the case they do infinite mental gymnastics to justify it, at least pagans just said "gods aren't inherently good" and call it a day

>>23088297
pretty sure you're thinking of Mandaeism which bears those specific features regarding John the Baptist and a living population of adherents as well as a severe skepticism of Christ, as Manichaeism, which happened to like Jesus Christ and ascribe him a a place of honor, is thoroughly extinct except through descending movements because- for some (((reason)))- it was ruthlessly persecuted and destroyed by shabbos goy of Nicene, Zoroastrian or Islamic persuasion in Rome, Persia, & central Asia and by yellow kikes of the Ming dynasty in China, and anywhere it wasn't destroyed supplanted by or absorbed into Buddhism. One Hegelius' anti-Manichee polemnic, the Acta Archelai, is prominently excerpted on Wikipedia to read as such;

>"It is the Prince of Darkness who spoke with Moses, the Jews and their priests. Thus the Christians, the Jews, and the Pagans are involved in the same error when they worship this God. For he leads them astray in the lusts he taught them." He goes on to state: "Now, he who spoke with Moses, the Jews, and the priests he says is the archont of Darkness, and the Christians, Jews, and pagans (ethnic) are one and the same, as they revere the same god. For in his aspirations he seduces them, as he is not the god of truth. And so therefore all those who put their hope in the god who spoke with Moses and the prophets have (this in store for themselves, namely) to be bound with him, because they did not put their hope in the god of truth. For that one spoke with them (only) according to their own aspirations."

isn't that a weird cohencidence? isn't that strange? isn't that crazy? why, one wonders, would a group espousing such a philosphy find themselves not just persecuted but completely exterminated with the mass destruction of their icons and works, all in direct opposition to (((Them?)))

>>23088229

No, the one that gets his rcoks off by drinking from you 'loosh'- ie anguish, is the Demiurge.

The Gnostics believe that the actual god, is a level above this hellhole.

>>23088322
hitler was a devout christian until he died not a gnostic, not a pagan not an occult practitioner and i could post over forty quotes from his book and his public speeches that show hitler as a christian who viewed his work as gods work and said his nazi party derived its morals from christianity and stood to protect it against atheistic jewery all quotes from hitler seemingly to the contrary were made public EXCLUSIVELY after he died and could no longer defend his good name against such slander

>>23088228 (OP)
niggerfaggot

>>23088323
> the god of chrianitt
*Christianity

>>23088328
ok. Why is Italy Christian?

>>23088319
He is though. No other single figure or Name has had that much impact throughout all of humanity. No other figure is as known or famous.
The shroud of Turin even stands as a testament to that.

>>23088323
>the gods were like us and had desires,

because they were worshipping the half demon nephilim mentioned in genesis six, the greek gods are lustful and violent, vindictive so forth, hardly divine


6 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

7 And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.

9 These are the generations of Noah: Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations, and Noah walked with God.

10 And Noah begat three sons, Shem, Ham, and Japheth.

>>23088326
I know people care about Hitler's religion but to be honest, i don't, the best parts of his video are when he explains the religions and it's influence and the philosophy behind it all.

>>23088228 (OP)
Wat do?

>>23088329
Idk? Probably because of Constantine

>>23088333
This right here this anon knows what's up

>>23088332
you should care about it, hitler was the best example of a christian we had in a hundred years minimum. kikes hate the bible they cannot stamp it out entirely so they sought instead to direct peoples understanding of it, but it says what it says unchanged, waiting for you to wield it as a sword

>>23088330
being influential and famous doesn't mean you exist. harry potter and luke skywalker are very influential characters and they are not real.

>>23088324

That's the one! You'll have to excuse me because I'm at work. But you're exactly right. In some cases Muslims spared them as People of the Book, because they followed John the Baptist.

I find their religion beautiful compared to others.

>>23088331
the majesty of Christ Jesus is even when he was beaten, scourged and tortured by the Romans he could have stood up and snapped his fingers and kill all the Romans and force the Jews to worship him, but he didn't. Zeus would have done that. Not Jesus, he leads by example and wins over hearts with grace and gentleness.

>>23088259
>>23088258
>its very similar to how Buddhism is presented as a simple philosophy about letting go of desire but when you actually look into it there are 1000 buddhist hells
Buddhism changed when it was infiltration by Manichean Gnosticism by way of some Iraqi warlord who conquered Buddhist regions.

Original Buddhism was a critique on Hinduism but also a reflective monotheistic approached that was typical of his culture as a Saka (Scythian) prince. Another Scythian prince Anacharsis created a philosophy in Greece that influenced the development of Cynics to Stoics Epicureans.
The reason for the critique was that the guru practices were failures and the original teaching was to follow a middle balanced path and not go insane following some Brahman... much like 1960's Westerners did with Indian gurus.

ANY similarity to Buddhism modern Gnostics claim like Blavatsky is because of this infection

>>23088321
The bible is a comparative religious text. It's a mixed soup religion created in Alexandria after a Greek guy wrote a history they didn't like.. Judea sent 70 elders to Alexandria in 256 BCE to compose the first books of Moses in Greek as their new history. There is no Hebrew scrolls. ZERO; even the dead sea scrolls is Aramaic and some words they call hebrew.
Later in the bible stories we see EL cult influences seemingly competing in the text for supremacy of the Judean national god. But Judeans, even in the bible, recognized other gods and the artifacts in ancient synagogues.of Judea prove this. Monotheism pure is really an Islamic invention

>>23088322
Christ characters were very common even before Christ. That's a Greek term for an anointed savior. People had a lot of balls back them to walk around and claim to know a savior and to spread his message. It was kind of like the 1960s hippies but an extremely dangerous version. This is why people say "BUDDHA WAS A CHRIST!" or whatever because it was a heroic title

>>23088334
because he knew Christ is the way, the life and the only true religion.

>>23088339
Yes but keep in mind he destroyed them utterly soon after jerusalem fell totally and the second temple was destroyed, i dont want you to think jesus was preaching pure pacifism he was not


27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

>>23088340
dont take this the wrong way anon but ive had my fill of this kind of talk forever after reading morals and dogma i dont find it compelling at all

>>23088342
yes, I know. Jesus has two sides, the gentle forgiving Shepard, and the wrathful conceited Law bringer. I know he wasn't a pacifist.

>jesus
you are arguing about luke skywalker on a politics forum. look in the mirror this is pathetic

>>23088344
hes just god the father incarnate im glad you know, the end of psalm 139 also reinforces the distinction between our personal enemies and the enemies of god, david was credited with killing ten thousand philistines including the giant goliath which were counted unto him as righteousness because they were enemies of god, but he had his general uriah the hittite killed because he impregnated his wife and didnt want him to find out for this he was severely punished for he was davids enemy not gods and god says "david was a man after my own heart in all ways except for the matter of the slaying of uriah the hittite"


19 Surely thou wilt slay the wicked, O God: depart from me therefore, ye bloody men.

20 For they speak against thee wickedly, and thine enemies take thy name in vain.

21 Do not I hate them, O Lord, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?

22 I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.

23 Search me, O God, and know my heart: try me, and know my thoughts:

24 And see if there be any wicked way in me, and lead me in the way everlasting.

>>23088313
>because I am the arbiter of morality
Oops wrong, that would be God.

>>23088341
There were primarily political reasons on why he decided to adopt Christianity, maybe he also believed it but it was a secondary priority

>>23088317
Well i definitely pay all my taxes IRSkun, and I would never just go on the internet and lie.

now kindly fuck off.

>>23088345
luke skywalker and star wars at least a new hope is blatantly a christian allegory i think the first movie is the only good star wars movie as a result (return of the jedi has one good moment but again its because it relies on the christian concept of redemption) its a fairy tale set in space, it falls apart if you try to excise christianity from it

>>23088323>pagan stories made more sense
Odin drank cum and zues turned into a swan to fuck women

>>23088351
lol

>>23088351
A lot of stories in the bible are wilder

>>23088343
>dont take this the wrong way anon but ive had my fill of this kind of talk forever after reading morals and dogma i dont find it compelling at all
Pike was a traitor Confederate doing Kabbalah that infiltrated the Deist American lodges after the Civil War until we ended up in the world we have today. Pike was writing comparative history to justify his new vision, which includes religious history. He just wasn't very good at it. If you're going to limit yourself and exclude Narratology (researching story origins by their narratives and history) just to preserve your faith in the story itself then do so, but don't do it because some controversial guy you dislike did a poor job of it back in the 1800s.

The bible has a history in its composition because it's scrolls collected over time and bonded into one.

>>23088351
>>23088352
The Odin story is a lewd bar poem that Swedish Christians use to tell involving Loki calling everyone gay or a whore until Thor came in and threaten to cave his head in.

>>23088228 (OP)
Why he has a lion head just curious...

>>23088350
i don't try to excise anything from anything i'm baffled how a bunch of adults talking online about magicians like jesus as if they were real. what's next? /pol/ unironically believing in astrology and palm reading?

>>23088333
EQUAL LEFTS

HE ASKED FOR IT

>>23088355
The jews got the idea from the Sumerians it's the lion headed God Anzu

>>23088228 (OP)
I think Yaldaboath tried his best but was simply ignorant, and eventually achieved Gnosis. Now he's just waiting for the rest of us to achieve it as well.

Well I love how they describe the different types of people, and you can tell 95% of people in the west are hylics.

>>23088355
>>23088358
>Anzu
Stop making shit up. It's Arhiman because as I said >>23088318 Gnostics were inspired by magic (zoroastrians)

>>23088358
Ohh Another abrahmic invention(bollocks). i should have know...

>>23088361
I'm not making shit up Sumerians are exactly where the jews got the idea from the demiurge from the god Anzu

>>23088356
Christ is the most well-known and portrayed figure throughout human history. Facts. Even now we exalt His name. Even the way we keep track of time is BC into AD.
Everytime you see a cross, that’s a reminder.

>>23088362
Yes sir the jews had to get the concept from somebody it's an in depth thought that's not very easily pulled from the imagination

>>23088355
It's metaphor for what they didn't understand at the time. It's giger/lovecraft tier biomechanical input cabling for sucking up loosh from hyperspace, same for the snake tail, but that's for output/tethering.

>>23088356
Magic has unironically worked for me in the past, palm readings or divination by normies don't work in my experience

>>23088366
This anon is correct it's the thought provoking idea is what the ancients were trying to get acrossed with the best known knowledge and thought process at the time.

>>23088363
Sumerians were long dead when Judeans begin developing Gnosticism in Alexandria Egypt. It's clearly Arhiman, lion snake eagle god of evil beastly urges.

Itt anons attempt to sound smart with big ass words

>>23088370
Nigger

>>23088369
No the judeans were a tribe within the Sumerians that were casted out

>>23088320
>I made it up - the religion
so, religion

>>23088371
Yes

Gnosticism is completely true, however the demiurge, being the little faggot bitch that he is, has corrupted gnostic teachings: the physical realm is real, the spiritual (thought) realm is fake.

Life = God, you are part of god as you are part of life, the demiurge traps you in a mental prison preventing you from perceiving this reality.

>>23088373
shut up commuSlav

>>23088258
Christianity itself was lifted from hellenist cults and is not the default

>>23088371
No u

>>23088376
or what

>>23088374
>>23088378
You know what? Fuck you, Christianity is just Zoroastrianism reinvented for a western audience, Christians literally syncretized eastern and western religion to create a religion that everyone could adhere to.

Zoroaster = Christ

You are welcome and feel free to cry about it

>>23088228 (OP)
thank God its not and Jesus Christ already defeated satan.

>>23088228 (OP)
I'm coming for you Yaldabaoth.
Better make me immortal, faggot.
Because once I transcend the mortal plain, you're going to get dicked.

>>23088379
I'll send you to a gulag that you Russians seem to love vacationing at

>>23088381
amen

>>23088380
when did Jesus ever claim so.

>>23088381
damn straight

>>23088229
it's not about him enjoying torture. rather about glorification.
when you thank him for mercy you glorify him, when you thank him for food, wealth, good health, luck, you glorify him when he destroys you and you cry out and beg you glorify him.
glory/exaltation is what motivates his behavior and the behavior of other lesser and greater gods/stars.
also he doesn't necessarily choose to be cruel his very existence is said to be an error and he is simply by nature broken/deformed.
ofc there is a lot of diversity in gnostic beliefs. this is just one interpretation.

>>23088380
You believe whatever you want to believe I don't care

>>23088228 (OP)
Makes no sense since the real God above him would save us from the tyrant impostor

>>23088228 (OP)
I don’t know how you can be alive and not think this shit is real.

>>23088385
>>23088388
pic rel is my source you unenlightened niggas, i bet god doesn't even speak to you through cow guts, UGH, fucking plebs i swear

>>23088380
Lol i would not take christianity too seriously bro

>>23088389
>us
no. you were created by the tyrant imposter and are part of him.
it's not possible to save us there is nothing to be saved among us.
what needs saving will be saved and is what christ came to save.

>>23088391
As I stated previously believe what you want to believe I do not care

>>23088394
You are welcome to this nugget of divine revelation

1. Divine Birth and Miraculous Conception

Zoroaster: According to tradition, Zoroaster was born of a virgin (Dughdova) through the intervention of Ahura Mazda (the supreme god). His birth was prophesied and accompanied by divine signs.

Christ: Jesus was born of the Virgin Mary through the Holy Spirit, fulfilling Old Testament prophecies (Isaiah 7:14). His birth was marked by a star and angelic announcements.

2. Temptation by the Devil

Zoroaster: The evil spirit Angra Mainyu (Ahriman) tried to tempt Zoroaster in the wilderness but failed.

Christ: Satan tempted Jesus in the desert (Matthew 4:1-11), offering him worldly power, but Jesus resisted.

3. Ethical Dualism: Good vs. Evil

Zoroastrianism: The universe is a battleground between Ahura Mazda (light/good) and Angra Mainyu (darkness/evil). Humans must choose sides.

Christianity: God and Satan represent good and evil, with humanity caught in a spiritual struggle (Ephesians 6:12).

4. Resurrection and the Final Judgment

Zoroastrianism: Zoroaster taught that the dead will be resurrected at the end of time, facing judgment in a final battle between good and evil (Frashokereti).

Christianity: Jesus preached resurrection (John 5:28-29) and will return to judge the living and the dead (Revelation 20:11-15).

5. The "Saoshyant" (Savior) Figure

Zoroastrianism: A future savior (Saoshyant) will be born of Zoroaster’s seed to renew the world. Some traditions speak of three saviors, the last being the most important.

Christianity: Jesus is the Messiah who will return as the final judge (Revelation 19:11-16). Some Christian eschatology also includes multiple comings (e.g., Elijah’s return).

>>23088395

6. Influence of Zoroastrianism on Judaism (and Thus Christianity)

Many Zoroastrian concepts (heaven/hell, angels/demons, messianism) entered Judaism during the Babylonian Exile (6th century BCE), later shaping Christianity.

If Zoroaster’s teachings influenced Jewish thought, then Christ’s message may be a continuation of the same revelation.

7. The "Logos" and Divine Wisdom

Zoroastrianism: The divine "Word" (Vohu Manah, "Good Mind") is a mediator between Ahura Mazda and humanity.

Christianity: Christ is the Logos (John 1:1), the divine Word made flesh.

>>23088393
so your christ is powerless to stop injustice

>>23088396
Ma'am you need to calm down

>>23088398
I just get very triggered when people who really should know better refuse to see the amount of connections

>>23088391
>>23088395
>>23088396
I think you underestimate how much of a conman satan is.
hes not some red dude with a pitchfork, he is the most crafty being with one purpose, steer you away from Jesus Christ at all costs.
congrats, you fell for one of his simplest tricks, you can find salvation outside of Jesus.

>>23088397
yes he can. we are part of the injustice therefore we must be destroyed with the rest of it.

>>23088400
*can't

>>23088400
The very concept of demons came from the fucking MIDDLE EAST YOU KRAUT NIGGER, WAKE UP, YOU ARE PRAYING TO A GOD OF PERSIA

>>23088399
I'm just pulling your leg lol if you really want to get to the bottom of it study the indus valley civilization

>>23088228 (OP)

>>23088229
No, it means people who deal with death and move on through the Third Realm, reacting in a harmonic with so-called mindfulness. Get it Right or Pay the Price!!

>>23088404
Dude, tell me more, what the fuck bro? You can't just say that and leave

>>23088402
should have put it in quotations
>"you can find salvation outside of Jesus" -satan

>>23088257
This. The reason that a lot of jew-flavored mystical systems (like gnosticism and kabbalah) end up so retarded is because they steal the monistic ideas of other non-jewish mystical philosophies and then try to make it square it up with the old testament, the new testament, the talmud, or some combination of all the above. That's where it all goes sideways

>>23088238
Kill Yourself Retard

>>23088229
no, in all forms of gnosticism god is oblivious. the demiurge went and created the material world on his own and fucked it all up. jewish gnotiscism says the demiurge is evil, christian gnotiscism believes he's simply a clueless retard

>>23088403
lolno, I pray to God almighty the creator. all other gods are merely fallen angels.
every fucking civilization knows about satan, demons and hell.
nordics, native americans, japanese, africans, everyone knew it. its not middle eastern at all. do some fucking research.

>>23088233
My kid could tell me he hates me right now and it wouldn't change my love for him because he is my son.
This all loving God of the bible (yaldabaoth, lover of jews and their demonic ways) will cast me to an eternity of suffering if I don't kneel and let his chosen demons (kikes) rape me in this material realm. Enjoy your next existance here, keep turning the other cheek for the demons.

>>23088411
Sophia created the demiurge, its the demiurge that's ignorant due to its creator's own malformation, the Monad is not ignorant.

>>23088283
based own head exploder.

>>23088407
The deity Angra Mainyu aka Ahriman is the equivalent to Anzu friend if you love Zoroastrian and Sumerian lore you'll love indis valleys lore

>>23088416
*Indus*

>>23088257
>>23088258

And chistianity is all vbased on hellenism mixed with semitism. What now fag, are you gonna start worshiping Zeus?

Fun fact, the latinized word for god (Deus, Dios) comes drom the word Zeus (Deus-Zeus), it preceeds it.The word God is from Godin, wich comes from Odin (Godin-Odin).

Stop pretending to be wise, semitic culs are all bullshit tailored to urbanize pastoal and rural peoples and place them under stricter state control. You want to find true religion, study linguistics, not theology.

This place is full of christcuck retards preending to have wisdom. They do not.

Christians, like all semites, are ignant at best and frauds at worst.

>>23088309
based demiurge booper.

Gnosis is just Waking Up from the incessant banality of thought

>>23088347
Morality is objective and requires no arbiter

The Demiurge did nothing wrong.
Sophia popped him out because she insisted she needed to be a single mom. He turned out bad and she abandoned hom in the abyss. So there he is damaged, abandoned and alone. WTF are you going to do? Make some play friends just like the skydaddy kike, Yahweh, did with adam and eve.
Now who is on the wrong?
1. Single mom, Sophia.
2. Unnamed creator of everything. Mr all knowing, all powerful sky daddy should know the problem and fix it.
The Demiurge did nothing wrong.

>>23088418
>linguistics
>In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Also i want to add, Prince comes from Princeps, to be brief on ths
> Princeps originated in the Roman Republic wherein the leading member of the Senate was designated princeps senatus.[3] It is primarily associated with the Roman emperors as an unofficial title first adopted by Augustus

Princeps then turns into Prince

So when christians tell you that Christ is King they are telling you that he is lower on the hierarchy than Satan.

So the hierarchy for them goes as such

1-God
2-Satan
3-Christ

This is why Christians end up turning into Gnostics involuntarily, becuase Satan is literally standing between us and god, thereby reality = evil so we must trascend reality.

Get it?

All of this is to say = overthrow satan

>>23088228 (OP)
Gnosticism, specially the “mainstream” version that is popular on 4chan based on the demiurge myth, beyond retarded.
Literally made up on spot by a random faggot a little less 2000 years ago.

>inb4 that’s how religions work
No. It isn’t.
Even for a “faith” based belif system, it’s beyond half assed and has zero supporting arguments.

>>23088228 (OP)
We would be in a universe where:
>Literary forgeries had the power to become real, in the style of Pinocchio and Pygmalion.
>Euhemerus was actually a prophet and one of the aeons
>Cinderella would be God's wife (and possessing both sets of genitalia)
>Major religions would be founded by heretical Alexandrian and Antiochian magicians more well known for burying lead curse tablets in order to fix horse-racing matches (see the Papyri Graeci Magici)
>Neoplatonism wouldn't have vacuumed up almost all of the Classical gnostics
>There were only 7 (Classical) planets, which predicted the future perfectly through astrology (until it stopped working, sadly, because more planets were discovered)
>These planets were actually named after spelling errors and barbarous names
>Somehow, the "true religion" was uncovered 1700 years later by Internet Schizophrenics (and none of the other varieties of Classical Gnosticism matter)
>>23088355
I have seen similar imagery of Anzu/Imdugud. The Lion head indicates that the snake (or bird) can roar (like thunder), not that the snake (or bird) is a lion. That is, the Thunder-bird. For example, the Nemean Lion *was* Zeus. (Nemea was home to a temple of Zeus) The original version of the story had Herakles murdering Lion-Zeus, (just as how he murdered King Busiris of Egypt).
>>23088395
Mazdaism is from circa 2000 BC, Zoroastrianism is from circa 550 BC. They are not the same religion.

>>23088423
the fuck are you talking about?
Jesus is not a prince, he has the title King of kings Lord of lord. he is the highest.
satan is refered to as a ruler, a temporary office. ruler of the air, ruler of the current dark age etc that will be done away with.
>All of this is to say = overthrow satan
you have zero chance alone. even having to deal with demons is already a taxing expierience, having to deal with satan you rely on the Lord God alone to pull you through.

>>23088228 (OP)
Punch him in the face until he dies.

>>23088427
This is the attitude I expect from the rest of you all or nothing.

>>23088426
Prince is a higher title than King
That is the point of what i am telling you.
That is why Satan rules the world and Jesus doesn't
If you can't interpret what is written in your own book that is your fault
This all might also simply be the Christians wanting to initiate their end times prophesy to bring back their Fallen kingdom of Judea which was wiped out

>>23088427
Based
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1rdAiKUJ6k

>>23088429
>Prince is a higher title than King
>This all might also simply be the Christians wanting to initiate their end times prophesy to bring back their Fallen kingdom of Judea which was wiped out
you just make up shit on the fly now.

>>23088431
>>Prince is a higher title than King
re-read my other post
>>This all might also simply be the Christians wanting to initiate their end times prophesy to bring back their Fallen kingdom of Judea which was wiped out

Let me remind you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3kQRKhvxh34

it's a fun subject, but not such a fun thread, because few know enough to be able to discuss it

>>23088309
based

>>23088433

>>23088433
cute comic

the fixed zodiac signs are the middle period of each season, so are used the most symbolically

a standard incarnation and solar cycle starts with the fixed sign of taurus (after aries) and ends with aquarius (before pisces), and is a cycle of ascent > descent or life > death
an incarnation of self-mastery starts at the opposite end at the fixed sign of scorpio (after libra) and ends with leo (before virgo), and is a cycle of descent > ascent or death > life
the snake/serpent is a symbol in the evolution process of scorpio (representing the shedding of skin and transformation) and lion's head is a symbol of leo

the process is basically early hurt/trauma > seclusion/introspection > shadow integration/balancing > receive divine insight/newfound purpose > new ideas/confidence > desire to express these ideas to others > leadership/teaching
the alchemical "wet path" purification of the soul
the "dry path" is already purified souls reincarnating once again

>whatever in Creation that exists without my knowledge exists without my consent
The gnostic sects ultimately lost ground to Christianity because of the latter's particular focus on personal redemption. In many doctrines, especially the medieval, you simply paid money to to secure an indulgence and be forgiven for your sins; literally buying your way into heaven.

>>23088291
>"If you do a bad thing or hurt people, I'll punish you humans, crumble your empires, plague you with diseases, and send you to hell. Moses, stone that guy to death for the crime of gathering firewood on the Sabbath!"
>Satan does bad things and hurts actual billions of people, is the driving agent for the fall at the garden, drives billions of people away from God, tempts people to rape, torture, steal, lie, cheat, destroy, etc.
>"Wow Satan, that's not cool. You get to be the most powerful spiritual entity I've ever created, and you can have the entire world as your plaything. Jesus even says it's your world! But just you wait, you're getting the same eternal punishment as Jamal, the dumb nigger that robbed a gas station and died of a fentanyl overdose at the age of 19."
Yeah the satan narrative doesn't hold up to scrutiny at ALL. Someone's lying to us.

>>23088431

Princep was a high title within the roman state. The bible used the wod prince originaly with this inent, as that was its meaning when it was written. The kings of other states were subject to rome, and thus, a king was subject to the princep. Literaly everything you understand about the bible is wrong because it was interpreted wrong when translated into various languages. "Prince" meaning someone who inherits a throne after a king came later, after the great migrations when the barbarians were taking over the roman state.

Do i need to make it even simpler, perhaps draw a picture? As i said, if you want to understand religion, study linguistics, NOT theology.

The bible was written i Hebrew, then translated to Aramaic, the to multiple greek and latin languages, then to mulstiple anglisized languages, in this sequence.

Want to take a guess at how many more translation errors there are, going from hebrew to english in 2000 years?

Literaly everything you know about eligion is wrong. Eveything.

>>23088345
Politics is as real as Jesus or Skywalker.

>>23088440
>princep
in rome at that time due to specifically romes recent bad history with kings, but to say jesus christ is king is paraphrasing in the bible he is KING OF KINGS LORD OF LORDS clearly implying ultimate authority and authority higher than a princep which is the heart of our argument here the bible still places jesus firmly over satan and literally all others

>>23088228 (OP)
I think me and the Demiurge could be great pals

>>23088356
jesus was real most secular historians agree

>>23088393
See: >>23088375

You are trapped in the demiurge’s mental prison, open your eyes and return to Us.

>>23088442

Well, at least you tried. I'am tired of explaining the same shit every thread, so i'll just leave you some hints, so you can do it yourself:

Study the origins, translations and variations of the word King
Study the origins, translations and variations of the word Satan.

Trust me, when you get into where the word Satan comes from, and find out about Shaytan, and where THAT word comes from, and how all this nonsense relates to the biible, you will laugh like a madam and have an existential crisis.

>>23088440
You have a lot more patience than me, your explanation is very good.
There is a video of a dude telling Welsh history that explains that the title prince of Wales was supposed to be higher than King of England but due to war it eventually turned into a vassal of the king of England.
Anyways, food for thought.
https://youtu.be/r_AP3Z6KvkM?si=ecVUc4eFuRXh5-0d

>>23088446
why are you mad, jesus is described as king of kings lord of lords, implying ultimate sovereignty over all princeps and rulers that is the heart of our discussion


if you had a point youd make it not hint at it and scamper off, if a man has a bright lamp does he keep it under a table? under a basket? no he places it up high so that the whole room would be illuminated thereby

>>23088448
this>>23088316
is still me btw i went to tend to my garden and my ID changed for some reason

>>23088449
i guess my id changed for only this one post and then back again?! i dont fucking know lol>>23088448

>>23088238
>if you reject God, you wont get any true knowledge
>ALSO ISRAEL IS THE CHOSEN PEOPLE

>>23088451
multiple christians in this thread including myself have said that the people we think of now as jews are not but are mongrel imposters and the synagogue of satan

gnosticism doesnt make sense, its pretty similar to lurianic kabbalah. buaaaaa reality sucks! there must be a way superior god that does not care about the other sovereign entity that is torturing us material things with sparks aaaaaaaaa! thats how jews think, and it makes zero sense whatsoever, reality is cool. the demiurge is a metaphor for ur lower self and for your parents, since ur parents mold ur lower self, they are a gate to this world, if ur parents fail u as a child then your worldview will be fucked unless u understand it and get out of it by means of being a true human bean

>>23088448

Its like talking to a brick wall.

LINGUISTICS MOTHERFUCKER. Linguistics.

"Ah but it says so right here in the bible, Christ is the king of kings!"

No, it dosent, and thats what you are not understanding. The bible saying christ is the king of kings is as true as saying he is the lollipop of ducks or he is the basktball of velvet satin.

The wronds they used were WROOOOONG. They were using incorrect words to describe fictionbal events they didint understand, alluding to concepts they couldnt internalize or explain. Its bullshit, its all gibberish, semitic nonsense mistranslated by people who didint know what they were talking about AND under heavy state censorship.

Can you even conceptualize what i'am talking about, just how fucking deeply wrong everything in the bible is?

Iam gonna repeat this for the billionth time in these fucking threads. STUDY.FUCKING.LINGUISTICS.

>>23088454
ok linguistically speaking which is higher


the king of kings and lord of lords or a princep?

>>23088228 (OP)
Are you aware of the Roko's Basilisk thought experiment?

>>23088454
you typed a lot clearly very emotionally upset without saying anything of substance at all

>>23088448
Allow me to give you some more context
Rome started off as a tribe which then enacted a republic which then for a few years had a king and thus became a kingdom and then reverted to a republic.

In this republic senators are equal among one another but in times of crises you might want to appoint a (dictator) first among equals with special powers to get shit done.
Princeps is basically that, however, if i am remembering correctly only Augustus had this title and was later passed down as a formality to future leaders of the roman republic and then empire.

So, what is most likely that is happening here is that the bible is either
1-refers to this in an extremely conveluted political commentary equating the rulers of the roman empire with satan and wordly dominion and the eventual triumph of jesus christ and the liberation of his people from literal roman oppresion
Or
2- this is some form of religious metaphor for as the other poster Shaytan (in my opinion i prefer Ahriman because zoroastrians are cool) puts it.

In my opinion i think the bible should be read as an evolution of the ideas that came before it and the historical context it was written in (Jesus christ was literally a victim of a corrupt judicial system that condemned him to death)

Fuck i hate posting from mobile

To carry on the explanation i was going on about earlier, a Kingdom has a King but this form of government comes from ancient tribal traditions of magic blood basically in which your blood aka succesor to your father means you are fit to rule (chosen by god) sorry my explanation sucks here but this phone isnt helping.

Thus Kings are an evolution of the tribe in a different direction than republics. They are branching forms of government. One a monarchy chosen by god and the other a republic chosen by man, you can probably see the paralelisms here

if you have to ask how fucked you are, you are probably quite fucked

>>23088458
its just saying satan is a powerful ruler of this world and he would be because he tempted jesus with the keys to all the kingdoms on earth but ultimately jesus defeated him on the cross and is above him and all rulers and archons and powers and principalities

>>23088452
Not to challenge your faith, but what kind of God let's his people get "replaced" by satanic pedofiles

>>23088458
hey you seem to really want to talk about the roman concept of a princep and how it differs from rex or king, i can appreciate that but the conversation has gone a long way from the origin point that held my interest, that satan has a lot of influence and power over the material world is not a foreign concept to christianity and is not one introduced by gnosticism. do you understand where im coming from?

>>23088461
>Not to challenge your faith, but what kind of God let's his people get "replaced" by satanic pedofiles

you arent challenging my faith at all because i have read the bible numerous times and i trust god. i know that everything that happens ultimately is for the good of his children you are just referencing the problem of evil again, which was addressed by the book of Job, god is sovereign

>>23088228 (OP)
Idk but this place fucking blows so either god is a retard or evil

>>23088451
Have you ever been chosen to be made an example of? If the Old Testament was perfect, there would be no need for a New Testament. When Jesus said liars from the start, new covenants and so on and so forth-- that was an attempt at reform. Odd thing is, those that accept that invitation wonder why they never did sooner and those that decline seem to not do as well over time. At least, that is what history would show. Africa is currently replaying the middle ages and you might live old enough to see how the countries that went one way prospered and those that went the other way continue to suffer.

>>23088453
>sovereign entity that is torturing us material things with sparks aaaaaaaaa!

the whole divine spark thing and that god is dead first made me remember of mainlander, at first it seems to make sense because there are weird phenomena, such as the fact that some people appear to be more earthly as in material than the others, however, that itself isnt much of an argument, just a difference, and differences arent necessarily bad, it is what makes me and not you. heres what is in lurianic kabbalah:

>Lurianic Kabbalah introduces the idea that God, initially infinite, contracted Himself to create a void, making space for the world to exist. This concept of divine self-contraction is fundamental to understanding the creation story.
Shattering of the Vessels:
>Following the contraction, God emanated light and vessels to contain that light. However, these vessels were not strong enough to hold the divine light and shattered, scattering sparks of holiness into the void.
>Kelipot:The broken shards of the vessels became the kelipot, representing the forces of evil and the material world. The sparks of holiness that remain trapped within the kelipot are the source of both good and evil.

in the view of the jew, the material is inherently flawed, just like in gnosticism. why that is? it is because in their view god has shattered himself to create us, and each of we carry a divine speak. they think that to restore such god they have to impose their soul international communism so that materially things are no longer apart, and so that the spark becomes one in a totality again. what does that remind you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nie4HCJEpwI

>>23088229
It's more like the demiurge (who is not God) is an autistic sperg who programs his own shitty buggy version of Minecraft, and then forces us to play on it

>>23088228 (OP)
How fucked? I'd say very fucked if we're allowing ourselves to get plundered dry by a punch of psychopaths. Look at the conditions of the world today. Then decide on ideals to strive for
https://youtube.com/shorts/C2L_GmIVyeo?feature=shared

>>23088465
>i know that everything that happens ultimately is for the good of his children

>>23088471
What is this homosexual posting

>>23088473

he made the dust we are formed by hes sovereign over us deal with it life is temporary

>>23088235
>>23088251
both are true.
the universe expands, collapses, and then expands again for eternity. your unique experience (perspective) reoccurs on a nonlinear harmonic of this cycle (not every time, but forever, and non-integral) however each time that occurs, your life is not completely identical; merely /close enough/ that the initial conditions of your existence sufficiently match the resonance of your underlying function. the progression of your life each time shifts the frequency of that function such that the conditions which bring you into being are not static. the only ones who cease ever being again are the ones who's functions shift into a phase which the universe never reproduces sufficiently close.

>>23088473
You don’t understand anon, those babies that were raped to death it was for their own good alright

this thread has devolved into bloviating and navel gazing and fart huffing


what are the works of the gnostics? what have they contributed besides confusion to history? what fruits did that branch bear?

https://files.catbox.moe/3tg7j7.jpg
>>23088474

>>23088228 (OP)
If Gnosticism is true, then most people are fucked, but a small esoteric elect will be saved, just like Jesus said.

>>23088481
you mean sophia who was also the serpent in the garden right kike?

>>23088480
Ok based

https://files.catbox.moe/gtgtie.mp4
https://files.catbox.moe/b8tid9.png

>>23088475

Yes, little girls being ripped apart in agony, their guts being spread over the pavement, mutilated in public, all to satisfy the of some 60iq brown ape. You are right anon, that is the will of you god, isint it?

Yaweh, god the christians and jews, desired it to happen. And you, like a good litle goy, will defend it until your dying breath, wont you, good goy?

>>23088486
you are just restating the problem of evil over and over again. im 36 years old and i spent all thirty six in the same reality you did


life is temporary the hereafter eternal and god is sovereign

>>23088479
>bloviating

>>23088423
>All of this is to say = overthrow satan
Yes! But Satan/Baal/Saturn/Molac does not corrupt through altering reality, that is beyond him, he corrupts through PERCEPTION, through altering beliefs. Propagated belief IS the demiurge.

>>23088488
>bloviating
talk at length, especially in an inflated or empty way.

it is what it is

>>23088228 (OP)
>That title
>That AI slop
No one is afraid of the demiurge Suhkdeep Shamalamadingong. I fell down the gnostic rabbit hole early in my spiritual journey and all roads lead back to Christ.

>>23088469
next time u see a soulless western cartoon or a brutalist building, u will think to urself how that is so damn ugly lol? u have to remember that jews hate existence so they prefer it to be that way, to be ugly. jews hate beauty and hate everyone but themselves, they care about money because it is like a collecting vice of theirs, they like vices, but they dont see beauty and when they see it they despite it because it does not make sense for them, they cant live for a transcendental reason, they think there should be no good or beauty in earth because its flawed. that is very similar to gnosticism, if you believe in gnosticism then u might as well quit game because theres nothing to hook you up here

>>23088490
go on

>>23088492
>n-no it wasnt us it was uhh.. god except hes not god hes a big lion headed EEVIL dragon!

>you mean like satan, the guy we just said was your father?

>no its g-god its different!


this is gnosticism in a nutshell

>>23088487

When you die, your body will decompose, you will be eaten from the inside out b fungus, bacteria, insects and worms, your counciensce and your mind will be gone.

>>23088495
your consciousness is an occurrence. it does not appear or disappear. it occurs.

>>23088495
i will be ressurected bodily by jesus christ himself


im gonna preface this by saying im not angry though i will not be believed but i would do literally anything to carry this or any of the hundreds of conversations ive had with you hook nosed mongrels in person, id reunite you with your black father in hell just as fast as i could

>>23088497
>carry this

carry on this*

>>23088487
Your reality blows and your god is a raging homosexual, in fact he literally created faggots

>>23088499
out of the overflow of the heart the mouth speaketh

ANOTHA ONE


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AOdM0dTJKPw

>>23088272
Retard. Whether eternal recurrence is true or not isn't the point of eternal recurrence. It's whether youd see it as a good or bad thing. If you see it as a bad thing you aren't living the life you want.

I just hope someone reads my zoroastrianism post and goes on a schizo deep dive into the origins of religion and how most languages and religions and gods are actually the same set of stories distorted through thousands of years of oral tradition then you can call yourself the schizo GOD

I say one atuually smart post >>23088439
and no replies, you fags are all robots and schizos fuck you people

>>23088569
Beep boop

So who are we supposed to worship, or what do you do to not end up in a a land of eternal screaming and suffering? If you do not worship the God of Abraham, who do YOU worship?

>>23088721
You can worship anything you want.

>>23088228 (OP)
Gnostic shit is Jewish as fuck
No different than the atheist movement
It’s a bucket of miserable crabs just like a synagogue

>>23088326
Hitler was a kike trying to convert his people into Muslims