Thread 23448796

Imagine not wanting to learn languages.

>>23448796 (OP)
why bother? i already know english.

Ich kenne die Frau, deren Buch du last.
Fucking Niggers

>>23448796 (OP)
I tried. It's too hard. I don't even understand how the hell you could follow listening to 2 people having a conversation.

>>23448796 (OP)
Just don't wanna learn sw*dish is all

>>23448796 (OP)
I don't want the capability to communicate with even more humans though. I might do it for literature.

>>23448796 (OP)
how many languages do you know?
me:
>arabic
>english
>spanish
>french
>italian
>portuguese

>>23448801
only plebs learn languages to chat

>>23448803
As, I assume, a bilingual person, how much of a difference does reading a text in its original language / reading a translation make to the meaning that you derive from it? I am referencing only non-fiction.

I'm half way through chapter 13 on ecce romani and I still feel like I know zero latin. Definitely could not hold a conversation with someone. I'm too small brained for language learning.

>>23448799
No, it's very easy. Especially today with so many materials available for free online, and chatgpt to ask questions. Read picrel and tell me you didn't already learn something.

that's this book

https://archive.org/details/familia-romana

https://archive.org/download/familia-romana-and-colloquia-personarum-audio-files

here are some resources I found for German

https://learngerman.dw.com/en/learn-german/s-9528

https://archive.org/details/Fsi-GermanBasicCourse-StudentText

>>23448796 (OP)
τὴν γυναῖκα ἔγνω τὴν τὸ ἀνέγνωκας βιβλίον γέγραφε

>>23448805
go back and review every word you studied every now and again, this is called spaced repitition. Use mnemonics as well, heres an article on various mnemonic techniques
https://themindcompany.com/blog/improve-memory-vocabulary-with-mnemonics
Theres people who become adapt enough at mnemonics, average iq people in many cases, who can memorize a random order of an entire deck of fifty two cards in 5-10 minutes

>>23448797
You should study grammar, logic and rhetoric, because these are the tools of thought. For that you need general/philosophical grammar the way it was taught in the past, and Latin grammar. Study linguistics too.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ergative%E2%80%93absolutive_alignment

>>23448800
What in the niggering fuck

>>23448798
das /Faden

>>23448800
What the fuck?

>>23448808
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mnemonic

>>23448798
That's cool.

German is so much more fun than the hopelessly mutilated language English.

How cool aren't relative pronouns? For the word form you choose gender and number to agree with the antecedent, the noun it's referring to, and you choose case to show the pronoun's role in the relative clause.

>Ich kenne die Frau, die das Buch geschrieben hat, das Du gelesen hast.

"Die" in the second clause is a pronoun referring back to Frau, agreeing with Frau in gender and number, and being in the nominative case because it's the subject of that clause.

"Das" in the third clause is a pronoun referring back to Buch, agreeing with Buch in gender and number, and being in the accusative case because it's the object of that clause.

That's so much cooler than:
>I know the woman who wrote the book that you read.

>>23448802
Doesn't matter how many you know. It's studying that matters.

>>23448804
overeducated douchebags will disagree but I'll take the translation.
let's be honest, attaining fluency in a foreign language means you speak like a 6th grader at best. unless you spend 10 years living in that foreign place.
at the same time, every language you learn greatly enhance your understanding of english. even the completely alien ones (not germanic or romance) will improve your ability to manipulate language in general.
so you'll always get more out of english. take a truly expert translation if one is available. preferably with explanatory footnotes containing the author's alternate suggestions. unless you're the leading expert in ancient greek or something, you're just repeating work that's already been done.

>>23448804
Don't know, I rarely read Swedish translations of English texts.

>>23448796 (OP)
Lol you swedes are pathetic.
You act like knowing English is a flex but that’s just the power of the American language.
It’s more powerful and meaningful than your girly boy language
The world will soon forget about Sweden.

>>23448806
>britannia quoque in europa est
nemo ei dicat

>>23448798
kanaken deutsch

also learning languages is now extremely easy with AI and all the media around.

back when i was in school, when kids had to walk to school 10km forth and 10km back every day, in heat and in freezing winter, (getting up at 5:30am and returning home only at 8pm) we could only learn from leftover books or occasional english newspapers. no one knew how to pronounce things right, it was often just guessing! i still remember when we had so little to eat in english class that we build traps for the rats and fried them on the schoolyard. those where the days in 1946/47.

kids today have it too easy and thats also why they're turning out as gay homosexual jews in record rates.

>>23448805
Have you tried Familia Romana by Hans Ørberg? Some people who studied other books said it helped them actually use the language because it teaches you Latin using Latin. Anyway if you're studying Latin to have conversations you're doing it wrong.

>>23448798
>deren Buch du last
nobody speaks like that.

>deren Buch du gelesen hast
or
>deren Buch du liest

Both of these are possible because English is a nigger that doesn't specify on present or past in this sentence.
>Ich kenne die Frau, die das Buch geschrieben hat, das du liest. <Present
>Ich kenne die Frau, die das Buch geschrieben hat, das du gelesen hast. <Past

>>23448809
Did jiujitsu with a buddy who was homeschooled on Trivium and Quadrivium and it felt as though he existed in a different dimension than me.

He actually inspired me to get classically educated later on. Great guy.

>>23448814
I like being able to bullshit my way though a sentence instead of planning everything out from the beginning.
german seems like it's trying to be mysterious.
>I after breakfast next tuesday with my sister anne will...
it leaves you in suspense

>>23448820
Moien Noper, wéi geet et dir?

>>23448800
fixed for swedish audience

I don’t understand the meme? Why’s Latin galaxy brained

>>23448826
Needs to be made much bigger if you’re gonna make it black. No nigger’s balls hang lower than his dick, that’s a whytboi thing.

>>23448796 (OP)
I wouldnt of readed anything, I would of listen. wich is what noone else did

Je savois la femme que scribbled le text a voux apprehend.

>>23448827
Because people think gymnasium students are galaxy brained students, and they learn Latin.

>>23448798
ich kenne die alte deren buch du lesen tutst

>>23448828
thanks for the insight

>>23448822
>doesn't specify on present or past
read, sounds like "redd", is past tense
read, sounds like "reid", is present tense
if you said
>I know the woman who wrote the book you REID
you'd sound retarded
it's not ambiguous if only one of them is a real sentence

>>23448796 (OP)
Now that I got surgery I want to learn a bunch of different languages, Japanese mostly for anime & manga, Russian to be able to read obscure scientific and parascientific research that is not published in the west, latin, ancient greek and sanskript to be able to read ancient texts first hand, without having to rely on shitty translations.

>>23448799
Learning a new language isn't difficult.
The hardest part is keeping learned skills.
You will lose a learned language if you do not use it often.
I know, I used to be fluent in English, French, Spanish and German.
Now I can't even understand the last two.
It was a surreal experience to find a document written by hand in German with my handwriting but not be able to understand a word.

>>23448824
Having verbs at the end of clauses like German does with subordinate clauses is something English did too in the past. In fact both languages used to do it for the main clause too as far as I understand. Old English was basically German. Then Britain was invaded by the Normans in 1066, French became the language of the ruling class, English was reduced to a creole language, and that is what we speak today. This is a hypothesis but there are many materials that argue for it.

>>23448834
I know when spoken it's clear, but not in text.

In the sentence it's both possible, is it not?
>I know the woman who wrote the book that you "reid"
>I know the woman who wrote the book that you "redd"
In the first one you would speak to someone who is currently reading a book.
In the second one, the person isn't currently reading, but you know he completed reading or at some point in the past read in that specific book.

>>23448800
Oh and our humour is fucked huh?
>>23448796 (OP)
True but what should i learn? Chinese would be the best probably but its insanely hard. Maybe spanish?

>>23448827
Because it's a classical language and has the richest, most precise grammar of those three languages, not many languages beat it. Just looking at that sentence there are a few things that could be pointed out to show how German is more complex than English while Latin is more complex than both.

>>23448839
german, russian, greek and kike. that last one will help you remember who you are dealing with

Imagine learning dead languages that had nothing important written in them.

>>23448839
Latin and Greek

>>23448838
oh
no we would the present participle for the first one
>I know the woman who wrote the book you are reading
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Participle#Forms
that's why "wrote the book that you read" always means "redd," even in writing

I envy your spelling reform

Imagine spending several hours a week for 10 years just to avoid appearing as though you're a foreigner in a foreign land when you happen to be visiting it for at most a couple of weeks. This is so fucking pathetic. You have no life if you're dedicating such a prominent portion of your free time to avoid a handful of interactions that might end up displeasing someone else.

>>23448814
Yeah it's the same as saying:
>I know the woman - she who wrote the book - that you've read.

Just old-timey English

>>23448839
spanish is very consistent
I think it's the easiest romance language to learn
latin is delightfully logical
alien languages like chinese are less useful IMO, because germanic and romance languages all reinforce each other
when I learned my second romance language it felt more like expanding my vocabulary and making it "more frenchy" or "more spanishy" instead of having to code-switch

I only like english and I would only travel to places that speak it
no interest in anything else

>>23448796 (OP)
Complete waste of time. The only language you'll ever need is English.

>>23448796 (OP)
>not making up your own language
h8dht h7rhj df

>>23448846
where ist thine hound?
wo ist dein hund?

>>23448796 (OP)
Why? What are you gonna fucking say in your disgusting retarded language that I need to hear? Nothing so go fuck yourself

>>23448797
If English is the only language you know, you know nothing about it.

>>23448796 (OP)
Learn to write

>>23448840
Ok but the English sentence reads fine and there’s no ambiguity? More complex grammar != better if it’s not adding anything.

>>23448797
When gae is destroyed you will have to learn the language of the new world empire. Chinese.

>>23448796 (OP)
Look at these German niggers with their abnormal sentence structure to put the verb as a last word in it.

>>23448856
Latinfags can really cry when Chinese takes over, it’s got not gendered nouns, verb tense grammar, or even articles to jerk off over.

>>23448796 (OP)
I do but I can't choose one.

>>23448796 (OP)
>have a limited amount of time on this earth
>born into an english speaking country
>never wastes any additional time learning inferior babble
feels good

American English-speaking native. Latin-Ancient Greek, Japanese and Russian fluent. Other languages picked up and mostly forgotten, see Malagassy.

I hate that I dream in foreign languages. It messes with you.

Esperato thingie didn't work out, English should be universal.

>>23448798
ey brudi hawara huansohn i kenn die oide fotzn die des buch da geschrieben hat lol

>>23448857
I know the woman who the book written-did that you readen-have! So sophisticated. We have een serius probleem

>>23448796 (OP)
LANGUAGE NERDS

>What is your favorite language to study?

>What books do you like in that language?

>What TV shows and movies do you like in that language?

>One thing that really helps your language learning?

It’s important that you be aware that English also has subjunctive mood, don’t let Latin-based language learning fags bully you.

>>23448844
Thanks, so if I sit in a train and speak to a person next to me who is reading a book and say "I know the woman who wrote the book that you reid" is an incorrect form? EFLs would always say "...the book you are reading"?

>>23448866
Correct

>>23448860
>im a low iq faggot
>feels good

>>23448866
ganau
we use auxiliary verbs for grammar, like german, but we had to simplify them because the danes living in northern england found them frustrating
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auxiliary_verb#List_of_auxiliaries_in_English

>>23449215
Old Norse and Old English were equal in complexity, but they had to communicate with each other, so both began speaking a simpler language than either previously did. That's what a pidgin is, two people in contact create a new simple language based on both languages to communicate with each other, this then evolves into a creole.

>>23449536
old frisian was an established trade language and retained grammatical cases
everything was fine until the danes showed up with their silly language and homoerotic group washing rituals

>>23449553
I don't care how you choose to cope with the fact both of our languages in the present day are simple languages. The fact is German is richer than English and Swedish, and Latin is richer still. I'm studying them, because it expands the mind. English wasn't a scholarly language until recently, it was Latin in all of Europe for a very long time. It's very simple-minded to refuse to learn other languages than English when Latin is so much richer.

>>23449745
latinam linguam studere possum et adhuc credere danos esse homosexuales