Thread 23453354

Fuck this shit drug.

the journey of a thousand miles starts with a single step. keep at it.

>>23453354 (OP)
Dang how much were you normally drinking?

>>23453354 (OP)
>I just went through first night of alcohol withdrawals
It's hard, eat some candy bars, you're having a sugar withdrawal.

So you got the worst out the way. Each day is easier now. Read your Bible and lift heavy shit. Wake up every day and imagine the man you want to be. Each day is a step closer to meeting that man. Good luck anon.

>>23453354 (OP)
Ive been on alcohol between Wednesdays and Sundays a few episodes longer than a year. I cannot drink on Mondays. Its not happening

>>23453356
Honestly about 8 drinks a night on average but Thursday Friday and Saturday I had about 12 pr more drinks each day in a bender. I had mild to moderate withdrawal symptoms but holy fuck that sucked. I actually think its over but maybe not.

damn that sounds rough
you've earned a drink

>>23453360
The fuck are you drinking that much every nights? Drinking is a social thing and very quickly after your first few hangovers you know how much your body can take.

You got this anon, Godspeed

>>23453354 (OP)
Bummer for you, you have 3-4 days left.

>>23453354 (OP)
Terrible difficult and incredibly worth it. I wish you well anon, keep it up. You will feel pain and temptation again, be ready for it.

>kicking the liquid jew
Good luck, Anon. I got it down to a six pack on friday nights. It can be done.

>>23453359
Got an accident at some point, a steel bar handle from the bike penetrated my stomage: Oxycodone in the Abulance, Morphine during surgery, Morphine the next day so logically experimenting on Morphine later in life.

No results, no effect, cant get addicted to that shit.

Alcohol, alcohhol, alcohol, alcohol..

Only from Wednesdays till Sundays..

I really dont get it, addiction

>>23453354 (OP)
I relapsed the other day and feel awful about it.

>>23453362
Yeah man that's what an addict is, someone who lost control of their moderation. At least OP is putting in the hard work to get himself straight. You should encourage him to keep course correcting instead now of shaming him for losing his way in the past.

>>23453354 (OP)
Weakling its mad easy to quit take it from someone who would drink a 5th of vodka every other day 2 years dry. Just find another hobby or rediscover the ones you had

>>23453354 (OP)
Keep trying op, don't let the liquid jew win

>>23453360
beer or liquor?

>>23453354 (OP)
>drinking addictive poison
Gee anon I didnt know you were gay

>>23453354 (OP)
Well a good withdrawal from alcohol makes you close those eyes forever. (More dangerous than any drug)

>don't drink for 6 weeks
>drink a 6 pack of White Claw on Thursday
>don't recover until Saturday morning

I used to drink a fifth of vodka a night. Now, I'll probably just cut alcohol out entirely.

>>23453368
Most recoveries involve relapses. Don't consider it a crutch to excuse yourself for doing it again, but don't consider it a death sentence that means giving up on recovery, either. You CAN quit the stuff, anon.

>>23453367
why not Monday?

>>23453375
That's how it is when you give in after a long period of not doing so. The pathways your brain made when you were becoming an alcoholic never go away. A binge will always destroy you, you have to stay vigilant.

>>23453372
Bud ice 25 ounce cans and vodka shooters.

>>23453354 (OP)
i havent drank in over 9 years
it gets easier. eventually the worst part becomes dealing with whatever shame you brought down on yourself while being a pathetic piece of shit drunk.

isms never die

>>23453375
A fifth of wodka is not that much. Mofos at my clinique did two bottles every night untill they broke and almost died from withdrawals

>>23453354 (OP)

if you can tolerate it, get some non alcoholic beer, it has low percentage of alcohol so it's not cold turkey. i'm on week 3 and i've failed every other time to quit besides realizing it's a true physical addiction.

Whatever you do my friend, realize this is something you MUST do. Alcohol keeps you down. You don't really notice it until you get a few weeks out but god damn, it was keeping me down. Makes sleep worse, anxiety worse, GABA/serotonin/dopamine production is all fucked up.

You are on the right path anon. Do not think of "weeks/months/years". ONLY think of each day and only tackle each day. One day at a time. You're not alone, there's millions of us trying to save ourselves from this poison. Love yourself and you will be free.

>>23453362
drinking with other people is terrible

>>23453367
I’m that way with cigarettes and benzos. I love benzos but if I can’t have them I don’t have a meltdown. I never got into opioids, some of the prescriptions always made me vomit.

>>23453384
I’m gay

>>23453368
Try to focus on progress over perfection.

>>23453354 (OP)
I'm still smoking a small amount, but I haven't been drinking. Turns me liberal too.

>>23453354 (OP)
You'll be fine by the next day. The first day is to remind you of why you suffer

>>23453377
Was in my system, in my mind to start every Monday as fresh and early as possible. I couldnt do it. I never used on Mondays and Thursday and Wensdays untill that slowly took over due to how students live here. Students always start their weekend behavior at Wednesday here

>>23453383
I really just don’t want to donit anymore. Thats why i quit cold turkey yesterday without even having a can of beer to stop the withdrawals. I’m putting myself through this for a reason. Thought my heart was gonna explode yesterday but half way through the night the symptoms started to drop off slowly.

>>23453368

Relapsing happens. Just try your best to put some distance between your last drink. Figure out what triggered you this last time. It is NOT failure. Think about all the time you didn't drink before that. Just because you had one doesn't mean you're gonna fall back into it. You got this. One day at a time.

>>23453392
>>23453387
Thanks. Ill try again

You're not supposed to quit alcohol cold turkey you ninny

>>23453384
Yea especially when alcohol makes you try to kiss people you shouldn't kiss, then you wake up and think "omg what have I done!" knowing you have to go to work and face them.

>>23453394
I calculated if I would have severe withdrawals and i knew that I wouldn’t. I didn’t get shakes. Just extrememe body aches and fast heart rate.

>>23453354 (OP)
Good luck anon, stay strong. Try eating something sweet

>>23453391
I respect that. Recovery and getting over addiction looks different for everyone. Gotta do what works for you. I don't know you but I will keep you in my mind when I'm having my struggles. I hit two weeks this last friday and I thought to myself ah well, I hit two weeks, I deserve a 6 pack. That would just restart it all over again.

Like others have said, the worst of it is over. Are you getting decent nutrition? Try to enhance your diet through some real food. Apples, bananas, broccoli, the least processing of the food the better. You got this.

I agree with anon, stop drinking and start lifting eventually you'll feel good all the time not just some of the time. After a while you won't even miss alcohol.

>>23453394
This.

Can’t alcohol withdrawals literally kill you?

Good for you anon. I quit a year and a half ago. You can do it. Let your strength set you free. You CAN do it. I went from 225 to 180 after I stopped, I fast and drink espresso. Probably saved my marriage and marriage my life.

>>23453395
What happens to me is like a liberal alter ego takes me over that is at odds with my real personality. I start saving death metal and goth youtube videos in a folder, and the next day I delete everything.

>>23453395
Lolmao. I'm sorry buddy but the only thing alcohol does is remove your filters. It doesn't change your personality.

>>23453400
Only if they’re severe and you go into DTs. I didnt even get any shakes.

>>23453399
Yeah getting exercise will help but if you have some serious withdrawal symptoms I'd let your body take it easy for the first few days so you don't hurt yourself. But yeah once you're properly hydrated with decent nutrition after a week, adding exercise only aid recovery

>>23453385
No benzos are in between and are as slippery slope as heavier kinds of weed. I always said that a part of addiction must come from heavier weed addicts but not being expert just had to argue that somethimes cause that shit fucks me up. I had the same with Oxycodone in the hospital but not as much with Morphine but its not even worth it trying to cure that vomitting. Its better, it saves lifes. Getting addicted is a point of no return

>>23453354 (OP)
Using appropriate amounts of NAC, glycine, taurine, Magnesium, b-vitamins, vitamin d/k, milk thistle seeds, antioxidants, vitamin C, omega 3(dha and epa) it should be quite mild. Also you usually slowly reduce it.

>>23453383

Those weed vape pens can be useful to put some distance from a bad addiction. You can hit the pen if you need "something". It doesn't depress your reasoning, so you won't fall off and go crazy like having a few drinks. It will get you a little high if you feel like you are going to relapse. Then ween yourself off the pen and toss it after a month or two. It is replacing one bad habit with another, but vape weed is much better than booze.

>>23453354 (OP)
Have lots of sugar and some coffee. Eat lots of food. LOTS!

Alcohol is sugar, you're not doing alcohol so eat some sugar. Duh.

>>23453400
Yes, typically seizures. You have to be really drinking and usually very poor quality. We have friends that are true alcoholics and he’s nearly died three times. It’s gross, and they call me a piece of shit.
>used to be

>>23453400
I think it's deadly only if you have it severely. But depending on age and other risk factors, the blood pressure changes and all that can set off other things like heart attacks if you jump right into hard cardio, etc.

Also if you can find it near you, add some coconut water to a glass of water and drink it multiple times of day. Potassium, magnesium, electrolyte levels are all out of whack after drinking, this will also help recovery.

>>23453405
For me it was sleeping. After stopping alcohol I would find myself passing out to go to sleep at 11PM and waking up at 2AM wide awake and can't go to sleep and months later I still have this issue

>>23453354 (OP)
I need this but with calories

>>23453360
what sort of drink?

>>23453408

100% to weed being better than booze. Thankfully I'm a legal state and grow my own. That and an NA beer seems to hit the spot.

You're right, you're just replacing one thing with another but if the goal is harm reduction, then this is the way.

Took me 30+ years to realize I'm autistic as fuck and was using beer to reduce the overstimulation I live with on a daily basis. Or that I used beer to overcoem the crippling social anxiety. The sad part is that it worked, with terrible downsides.

>>23453360
lol :DDDDDDDDDDD what a fucking lightweight :DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD

>>23453408
For me its the other way around. Weed puts me in another dimension meanwhile I can follow my whole intoxination with Alcohol and know when I go to my limit. Both are not recommended to drive tho. Id rather walk or uber 3 miles from the city to my house than drink and drive.

But weed makes me far from your discription

>>23453412
I am also having this issue. Couldn't fall asleep last night at all, then woke up at 3 staring at the wall until 6 when I had to get it up.

Hope it gets better for you soon fren, you got this

>>23453405
>properly hydrated
Adequate potassium, magnesium, calcium and sodium levels are key too. The body also lacks the caloric energy hence glucose or other relatively easily accessible carbohydrates can be needed. If you are doing it correctly withdrawal symptoms should be minimal, if there are any at all.

I also drink some NA “beers” Boulevard Brewery in KCMO has a really good ipa. I feel fortunate that I can be around people drinking, for the most part, but keep beers in the garage for friends etc. I’m not having to count days.

>>23453415
No, its bullshit

>>23453410
I used to think I was drinking heavily, but apparently drinking heavily starts at something like 1000ml of spirits daily. I'd have 3-4 strong beers (10%) and/or a 1/3 a bottle (300ml-ish) but apparently when I cut back down to a beer every other night I've not had any seizures whatsoever. My friend on the other hand, he's collapsed in the middle of the store and chipped a tooth on a shopping cart. The difference must be somewhere around 1L to 2L of spirits daily to become a full fledged alcoholic but then again, you can be a fatty and absorb much more with less consequence.

>>23453409
This is actually true. You replace the alcohol sugar with other sugar. Buy some apple and grape juice, and make some salty soup with bread to absorb all the alcohol. You put like a cup of v8 vegetable juice, salt, pepper, olive oil, butter, vegetables, canned peas, and roll for 45 minutes. Add sour cream.

>>23453421
Almost had a fight with a dude at rehab over this in a circle group. It can both have the opposite effects for two different individuals. I hate those guys who get hooked to weed and than claim its better than alcohol. It depends per person

>>23453354 (OP)
Who the fuck would be quitting right now? For what? Sober up in time for jews to draft you for the big gay globohomo war with the chinks? Fuck all that, now is the time to imbibe

>>23453379
Ah there's your problem. Don't blame the beer, dude. It's the liquor that gets ya. I drink about 8 beers a night, sometimes I'll switch to wine, about a bottle and a half. Have never had any issues, don't get hungover, if anything the problem is all the extra calories. But I don't care anyways I'm planning on being dead in 10-20 years

>>23453379
you people can't even do alcoholism right

you made it through the hardest night good job

Having a hobby at this time is very important. The satisfaction and positivity that comes with completing something that you’ve made, etc. is very fulfilling. Whether it’s tying flies, reading the Silmarilion or lifting, these things keep your brain chemistry in a good place.

>>23453422
Hardcore alcoholics have real problems yeah. I've heard of some grabbing a 24packs of beer every single day and passing out every evening. That's like 6L @ 4-5%alc.
Last time I checked in france, if you hit more than 2 beers a day you're already in the top 2% of alcohol drinkers.

>>23453354 (OP)
If I have on average 5 drinks a night, will I suffer withdrawals?

Usually 2 beers, 3 shots vodka.
On lowest nights, just the 3 shots.

Been doing this for probably the last 6 years or so. Literally every night because I don’t want to drop dead and also don’t want those withdrawal shits

I didn’t used to be a lightweight but I think the constant drinks have lightened my constitution for booze.
Plus I’m married so I can’t be getting fkn blasted - she doesn’t like that, the non-drinking killjoy…I think this would be easier if she did drink

>>23453426
Yeah agreed there, at least with beer you're rehydrating your body somewhat, spirits sap you and I feel dry after too many drinks. you could genuinely survive on a couple pints of beer daily if you were to fast to lose weight, the issue as always, boils down to the other people being the problem. I like drinking socially but only occasionally and I'm selective about who.

>>23453429
+1 to this. Boredom can be a trigger

>>23453431
Probably just a little on edge. No.

>>23453424
>I hate those guys who get hooked to weed and than claim its better than alcohol. It depends per person
So you hate people who are recovering in their own way?

Also wanted to throw something out there. Alcohol makes my body weak, like really weak. But when I quit, my body gets strong and I can run daily, and I can smoke tobacco without problem.

I wonder if alcoholism was the real cause of lung cancer, because after the 1920 to 1933 prohibition, alcohol consumption and partying was gradually more and more popular and the graph line went up.

>>23453354 (OP)

Stay strong bro. Stay hydrated with coconut water or sports drinks, whatever has them electrolytes and some carbs.

I don't drink but I understand addiction. Small steps buddy.

Also my soldiers struggling with addiction and it's lasting effects, try some magic mushrooms, those actually fucking work if you go hard with the right mindset (and someone you can trust to help you out during your trip). You will need to do some therapy (doesn't have to be a therapist. Priest, mentor, father figure, whoever you absolutely trust works). Helped me kick pot and meth.

>>23453423
>This is actually true. You replace the alcohol sugar with other sugar. Buy some apple and grape juice, and make some salty soup with bread to absorb all the alcohol. You put like a cup of v8 vegetable juice, salt, pepper, olive oil, butter, vegetables, canned peas, and roll for 45 minutes. Add sour cream.

Yes, just eat your way out of this. You'll forgot you ever drank. I would order a pizza and get some sugar soft drinks, enjoy.

>>23453375
If it takes you three days to recover from drinking 6 approximately 4.5-5% drinks, you have other stuff going on.

>>23453354 (OP)
Just buy some kratom retard.

>>23453431
You’re good man. Just keep it up. No seizures for you! I have epilepsy and seizures are fucking wild.

>>23453360
Anon alcohol is not like cigarettes. You can literally die if you just stop drinking suddenly. You might want to admit yourself to a hospital if you're seriously done with alcohol. They have dedicated units for alcohol withdrawal

>>23453439
Oh yea, I think my kidneys were starting to go because my piss smells like sulfur /rotten eggs. Probably made the withdrawals even worse for me.

>>23453431
If you can go the entire day without drinking you aren't at that level yet

>>23453432
>Other people being the problem
Fucking right. I avoid all alcohol related drama. I 100% do not get involved in stupid shit anymore. Got that out of my system in my 20s, and now the thought of it makes me cringe.

>>23453435
Yeah I think we should all support one another. I'll clarify my earlier position, weed is 100% better *for me* and helps me with my specific brain chemistry. If I have a beer craving, I can hit the vape one time and get lost in a hobby for hours which helps me bypass the trigger.Then I can hit the sack and put another day on the belt.

Everyone has a different path and I hope everyone reading this thread finds the path that works for them.

Appreciate OP for the thread and sharing your struggles, you're not alone.

>>23453354 (OP)
I went through nicotine withdrawal recently; body ached for 2 wks. I sympathize with you....

>>23453442
Im cool now man the worst is over. I had mild withdrawals.

>>23453438
>Yes, just eat your way out of this. You'll forgot you ever drank. I would order a pizza and get some sugar soft drinks, enjoy.
I think you e missed the point. Who the fuck tripfags on this board. lol

>>23453354 (OP)
i used to drink ALOT, I'm talking 12 beers minimum/day sometimes closer to a case. the only thing I notice for withdrawals is my thighs get really hot when I try to sleep at night, I sweat like a maniac and have fucked up dreams. that's it. no shakes, no nothing else.

just recently before I turned 33 I had a gambling trip with another buddy of mine who is a heavy drinker. since we both tipped our hotel bartender good first day he was feeding us free booze the entire time. i got plastered from pretty much mid afternoon til early in the morning the following day with little to no hangover because I was also chugging water and there was ice in our mixed drinks. I also drank like that knowing that by the time Sunday rolls around I'll be sober for the entire next year. it was a nice cap to my drinking habit though, I had some fun with my buddy, won/lost big sums of money, got as fucked up as I wanted to and called it quits.

so here I am, day 9 and life goes on. no cravings, I have no incredibly trite gay inspirational things to say. I'm just doing it because I want to. the act of buying booze every single day is tiresome and I often shopped at 6 different places to get beer so I didn't feel so self conscious about it. every day before sobriety I'd grab a six pack, go for a comfy drive in the back woods and farm lands, polish the whole thing off, then buy another 6 to drink at home. all while on the clock.

long story short? I realized I don't have to be profound about my sobriety. it was fun while it lasted but it was definitely more depressing, agonizing, and anxiety inducing than it was fun by this point. plus just a giant waste of money in order to feel stupid for a day. I joined a gym for the first time in years just yesterday, am still sore from the squats I was doing but look forward to hitting it hard again tomorrow. best of luck to you.

>>23453424
>>23453435

There is no addiction that's good for you. Weed might be technically "better" than alcohol from a strictly physiological perspective, but it's not better from a psychological perspective. Both addictions equally stop you from being your actualized self.
L.

>>23453375
Me too
I actually feel fortunate because I literally got bored of getting wasted
Don't regret a thing though. It was a good ride.
>>23453415
>>23453417
I like weed but t's a joke. You can be productive on alcohol and do stuff while on weed you just shit your life away and enjoy low quality stuff as if it was some high quality stuff. Good for a reset once every few months but nothing else.

>>23453354 (OP)
It takes 3 days to clear. You can do it.
>t. alcoholic

>>23453453
With mild withdrawals, the symptoms last a shorter time. They started to subside at like 4am for me.

>>23453440
No, FUCK Kratom. INITIALLY it worked and I got off the booze, but then got hooked on kratom.
Now I’m back on the booze and STILL haven’t kicked the kratom.

I’d rather be drinking than constantly resulting on this shit drug. Plus the dry mouth is fkn awful.

Don’t do Kratom kids. It’s baby heroin and before you know it, you’ll have baby withdrawal.
>down from 6g ever 4 hours to 3.5g every 4 hours
It’s too easy to get, too convenient, too mild, and that makes it harder to kick imo. At least scarcity means you have to occasionally cope with your misery

>>23453360
>>23453354 (OP)
>>23453354 (OP)
keep it up anon, if i were you i would've weaned off with light beer but you're commited now.

>>23453444
Good to know and a relief. It didn’t used to always be this simple.

>>23453435
Nah, its just retarded to advise people to get off addiction with Weed. Let guys go to their local AA meetings (cheapest way) or go to rehab (depends on location). I know the opposite variants of what you said. Most frequent weed users gateway themselfs to the heavier drugs is what ove learnd from rehab

>>23453451
I’m also addicted to washing my body with soap.

>>23453450

I have gay trite aspirational things to say to you.

Babe, remember. Every time you say no to beer, an angel gets new lululemon joggers.

You got this. I'm proud of you. Your liver is giving off "i have a vision board" energy.

>>23453455
Hmm i kicked kratom 6 months ago, already forgot how bad it was and missing it dearly.

>>23453440
Absolutely do not do this. The anon with the microdosing boomers path is a much better option.

>>23453456
Yea nah you’re not going to het withdrawals. I would drink 4 25 ounce cans of %5.5 a day at least. So probably like 10 regular beers a day. I got mild withdrawals with no shakes but it fucking sucked regardless.

>>23453452
See, thats what I experience. I admit that I lose a lot of coordination and Im intoxinated obviously but I can get through life ways better with alcohol. Weed literally stops whatevrr im doing and puts me lazy and in another dimension. Alcohol keeps me productive somethimes even creative asf

>>23453450
Good for you humble anon. I drink about 8 a day and eat part of an edible to slow me down. I have no shame about buying beer nearly every day. I tried the gym thing, as well as trying to rewrite my whole personality/outlook. I'm too old for that though and have accepted who I am.

>>23453440
>Just buy some kratom retard.
Don't trade one problem for another stay strong friend it's gonna be rough but it will get better.

>>23453449
>Who the fuck tripfags on this board. lol
I have been doing this since 2013.
It's part of the system, if you don't like it, don't us it.

>>23453446
Weed is nice but it’s a shame it totally fucks your sleep. Weed hangovers are almost worse than booze hangovers. Those fkn cobwebs may as well be wire.

>>23453447
That’s next on the hotlist. I may as well just do them all at once. Juul is the superior nicotine uptake device, but they really should be illegal. (One pad is a pack of smokes meaning I’m fkn consuming 3 packs a day???)


I do love a nice cig occasionally. It’d be nice to actually enjoy them rather than craving them like a fiend

>>23453467
I don't mind you, you're not an insufferable attention faggot like breakroom

>>23453469
are you fucking new he is worse than breakroom?

>>23453390
yeah that's how it is for me, at home i never drink, then i get to work (programmer) and i'm like why tf not

>>23453468

Yeah that's true about sleep. Tbh I've never had a weed hangover if I smoke before bed. Usually helps me fall asleep a bit quicker and that's it. I wish we knew more about it desu.

>>23453461
Don’t do it bro. The other shit part with Keaton is that they vary wildly in strength, so you try a bit to enjoy it and next thing you know you’re fkn twitching and having to explain it as some occasional neurological disorder.
Have ruined many a good time by taking too much on accident

Ex alcoholic here. Don't get involved with alcohol. It destroys your mind and body.

>>23453470
idk man I always seem to run into breakroom, I haven't seen Lambright as often I guess

>>23453354 (OP)
Be careful anon, alcohol withdrawals can kill. I almost died from it, had to check myself into rehab for medical assisted detox. I believe in you, and you have my love.

>>23453354 (OP)
At windrawal-night afer month of drinking you could see gnomes or little imps.
>welcome to the club

>>23453354 (OP)
Ween yourself off of it, retard. Don't just stop entirely.

Withdrawal sucks. When I went through withdrawal, I would sweat like a whore in church all day and night. Take frequent showers, it does wonders. You got this

>>23453448
You realize DT can happen a couple nights after you "feel better", right? You can seriously die, too.

>>23453354 (OP)
Moved out recently and took the opportunity to stop weed. No appetite, sleep and I'm sweating all the time, but all the work to do with my new appartment keep me occupied. I know it's nothing compared to you, you've got this.

>>23453476
Hes already fucked anyway, probably has no liver left at all. Just shoot some niggers at walmart before you go and call it a life.

>>23453475
yea you are new then

>>23453483
About 2018 so yeah

>>23453481
In the holy lands of wine\cogniac culture he smokes nigger-brooms.
>KYS

I’d like to applaud all the anons in this thread. It has been overwhelmingly positive. /SIG/ should be a daily thread.

>>23453480
I didnt get any shakes at all or any hallucinations so probably unlikely jn my case.

>>23453486
It's better than the druk /tv/ threads thats for sure. I wish anyone that unironically posts in those dies a painful death

>>23453360
>8 drinks a night
like 32oz Long Island Ice Teas or Michelob Ultras? There is a wide range here.

>>23453354 (OP)
potassium will help with your blood pressure. Coconut water or a banana, add cheese to counter the shits. Good luck.

>>23453490
4 25 ounce cans of Bud Ice at %5.5 and probably a couple vodka shooters as well.

>>23453360
Supplement B Vitamins, especially thianine. You cannot take too much. Sunflower seeds are an excellent source too.

>>23453391
Yeah I quit when my side started hurting non stop, and I realized the window of feeling good while drinking was basically like 45 minutes, and after that, it just felt like poison. Wasn't worth it anymore. It's shit getting off of it tho. Just replace the activity with something else, even tho you won't want to do it.

>>23453354 (OP)
Why not just drink a bottle of water with every drink

I was addicted to drugs but could never handle all the work needed to be an alcoholic. All the drinking of fluids and pissing, needing to piss, pissing the bed. I would rather take one hit and be high for hours.

>>23453481
Those first weeks quitting are worse than booze for me. The dreams are relentless.

i don't understand people who drink every day for decades. how do you do this ?

>>23453487
piglice is a faggot married to a jewess.
alcohol w/d is the least of his concerns.

>>23453354 (OP)
You got this fren. One day at a time.

I took up kayaking to get off booze. Hard to get off the shit if you do the same things.

>>23453485
>KYS
Thanks god I'm not russian kek

>>23453497
Yeah still no dreams yet, but I know it'll be some fucked up lucid shit when they hit

>>23453498
it's social and cultural. you grow up watching your parents do it and normalize the idea that's what you should do when you grow up.

I'm just glad i'm on the path away from it.

Taper off if you have to. Google hams taper and figure out what your baseline is and go from there. once you can get down to 4 drinks in a day throw all your alcohol away and start being sober. Get a hobby, one you can't do drunk like lifting or running your alcoholism will show up again when you are at your lowest and you need to be ready for it. If you relapse bad go on naltrexone of vivatrol and take your judgement and compulsion out of the equation. You can beat alcohol but it won't go out without a fight.

>>23453498
>>23453510
more social in the US. But really I think it’s just routine and boredom. For a small amount of time, booze makes everything fun.

My dad didn’t drink but like once every couple weeks, and that was just a couple beers.
I graduated college and found life was just work and free time, which led to crippling boredom. Started the drinking there.


I’ve gotten better, but my routine still involves a drink and cooking, which inevitably snowballs into multiple drinks before its bed time.

As it’s not effecting my life in any real negative way, it’s just a cycle of resulting in booze and then consuming it. Proper pain in the ass not being to keep a bottle around - have to make me sure I limit myself by only having a handful of those shooters available.
It’s not a TON of work, but inconvenient at times.

But yeah, mostly social and routine influence. When out with peers - drink. When at home, get into the routine - drink.