Thread 23507443

>>23507443 (OP)
Why did this give me a boner

Indeed.
Take the Ubermensch pill and stop simping for gay desert religions.

>>23507444
You're sexually attracted to hyena.

>>23507443 (OP)
african wild dogs are worse
literally land piranhas

>>23507446
Those are not hyenas retard

>>23507446
those are just African wild dogs

>>23507443 (OP)
Don't watch it

>>23507448
I don't know my aminals

>>23507443 (OP)
me tugging the ear

>>23507443 (OP)
I literally just saw this on r*ddit, and the least popular comment was talking about how there is no god.

be better.

>>23507443 (OP)
Why not? If there is a God then only He gets to define what is good and what is evil. If God says suffering is good and you disagree, that would just make you objectively wrong.

>>23507450
I was almost tempted, ty for the warning.

>>23507448
>>23507446
hyena females are actually very dominant and have an enlarged clitoris that looks like a 6 inch dick. Scientists used to believe they were all male until they saw one give birth out of it...

>>23507443 (OP)
There is a God and you will reincarnate as the deer for being such a faggot

And if you persist, you will reincarnate as a cat being blended by a chinese teen

>>23507451
Hyena got outtie pussy, looks like a long ass peen

>>23507443 (OP)
Damn i feel a lot better about blasting these things in the heart now..

>>23507443 (OP)
God is all that exists. Stop projecting your silly monkey brain onto the universe

god is a fucking kike! it makes total sense.

This thread belongs on b

>>23507454
>its ok that you just got castrated by a pack of wild dogs because it was all part of gods plan

>>23507454
>God then only He gets to define what is good and what is evil

Apparently not since there is an objective good and evil everyone can see no matter how much he unnaturally forces the will of evil over us, or else people wouldn't notice how evil and sadistic god is

>>23507443 (OP)
>there is no god.
god is when my life is good.
got isn't when a 5 year old child has cancer, or god is and it was a part of his plan, because he gave the child the free will.

Also, you cannot question him and if you don't believe him, you will go to hell where you will get raped and tortured for eternity (this is totally not a manipulation to make people scared of doubting)

>>23507454
What are you doing to induce more suffering in your own life?

>>23507443 (OP)
There is a god but he's a sick son of a bitch
>>23507454
So you worship a god that defines good as that which makes us suffer? I say fuck that god

>>23507443 (OP)
>Predator > prey
His rules. We are the masters. But we got an infection that we can't get rid of

>>23507444
Sex, hunger and violence are very closely related.

>>23507465
Nobody gives a fuck what you believe, kill yourself

>>23507444
You are Jewish is why

>>23507443 (OP)
That's blasphemy and you're going to hell.

I am God and this is my message

Kill yourself, come tell me your complains directly

>>23507443 (OP)
There is
>then why animals suffer
Because their spirit goes back to the Earth and is reborn as other animals
>why do people suffer
Because we are above the animals and given a responsibility to take care of the Earth and its inhabitants and suffering is the result of failing to do this.
>but diseases
Sins of the father are passed down. The diseases stop when they turn back to God.

>>23507443 (OP)
would it be just if each of those hyena's experience the same fate in the next life, and those hyena's again forever after.

>>23507443 (OP)
>God gave those dogs a weakling to eat
>there is no god
the only thing that doesnt exist here is you

>>23507467
if god exists, there is no reason for heaven to exist if there is no suffering on earth you retarded tranny. I genuinely don't understand how you people don't get this. There is no reason to be a good person if nothing bad will happen to you anyway.

>>23507443 (OP)
There might be a god. Like Yaldabaoth (demiurge).

>>23507443 (OP)
God didn't do this. That's a northern hemisphere deer being eaten by southern hemisphere dogs. Someone set up this situation to occur.

>>23507464
>or else people wouldn't notice how evil and sadistic god is
Only problem with that is God is objectively Good. Everything he does is Good. You can deny that as much as you like, but that only makes you Evil.

>>23507443 (OP)
fap fap fap

It makes more sense when you realise that the Christians and Jews are right. God is the god of the Jews, there's no mercy for non-Jews.

>>23507463
deer shoulda gitgud

>>23507443 (OP)
You know it’s quite tragic that they always cut this part out of nature documentaries. I wonder how all the eco freak shit libs would feel now if they watched this stuff growing up instead of fiction stories about how animals are all friends

>>23507470
>Nobody gives a fuck what you believe, kill yourself
Here comes the retard. Maybe I should kill you, you fucking worthless nigger? Watch your fucking mouth

>>23507443 (OP)
Maybe there is a god but he either doesn’t care, is incompetent, or feeds off the suffering.

>>23507482
Those komodo dragons literal psychopath monsters why do let them live?

>>23507444
you are prolly a sociopath

>>23507443 (OP)
Maybe the god of this universe is evil.

>>23507485
Jajajajajajaj kill yourself Polish are not human

Scum

>>23507443 (OP)
Looks like God was looking out for those hungry Wild Dogs.
That deer is probably jewish.

>>23507443 (OP)
There is a God. If there wasn't you wouldn't exist, you fucking morons.

>>23507485
You are universally considered subhuman trash

I am a fucking god compared to you

>>23507456
That's the point of that picture mongoloid

>>23507492
>If there wasn't you wouldn't exist, you fucking morons.
I didn't know Forest Gump was on 4chan

>>23507443 (OP)
Circle of Life, faggot

>>23507493
Yeah, maybe in your video game you stupid faggot. You are pretty funny.
Costa Rica Fucking Nigga Bitch-ass

>>23507487
why are you imparting human logic and emotion on a fucking animal that only knows it must eat and reproduce?

>>23507495
Why are you dead yet? Obey your God and kill yourself

>>23507456
>spotted hyenas are larger than males and have a pseudo-penis
>pseudo-penis
:O

>>23507487
Komodos can give birth without a male. If even a single female survives she can repopulate the race so it's pointless.

Not for animals no. They can’t even comprehend that God exists and would rather just eat, fuck and feather their nest.

>>23507443 (OP)
Mercy doesn’t exist. Eat or be eaten.

>>23507499
I am not dead yet, because you are nothing, fucking fag.

>>23507497

>he doesnt know

Kneel

>>23507481
You deserve nothing less than to be brutally raped in public, with everyone watching. They will all point and laugh at you while you scream out in pain when your asshole begins to rip. The smell of fear and feces begins to settle over the crowd like mist on a cool summer morning. The pointing and laughing continues as the intensity of thrusting grows. Once your rapist finishes inside you, he will stand overtop of your nearly lifeless body with his penis still fully erect while you slowly die in a pool of your own ass blood. This is your future and end.

>>23507495
>that is how Gump spoke
You're not a smart man.

I see that shit all the time. I hate the screams though, so I turn up my volume.

>>23507443 (OP)
1pbtid psyop thread.

>>23507459
You should feel fine about it, because the alternative way to control their population is to bring wolves back so they can tear apart deer limb from limb just like OP mp4-related. Only retards are against hunting. It's got to be one of the most ethical ways to eat meat if you do it right.

Everyone one that have watched liveleak knows there's no god. There's no god that justifies something like Daisys destruction to exist. There's no point in needless suffering. 99% of the people on this board talking about christ and god are just larping. Just like Trump (divorced 2 times). It's just a game for some people.

>>23507443 (OP)
Someone post the vid of a komodo dragon eating a live baby deer whole.

>>23507489
This guy gets it.

Death to america
Death to isreal
Death to all abrahamics

>>23507509
I hope the pole retard kills his family or something ill.be watching the news

>>23507453
of course redditor scum will like this like the garbage subhumans they are
everyone who isn't a subhuman hates it - while accepting some things can't be changed - and will become vegan in order to change the things that *can* be changed

>>23507514
All you can do is hope, just like with your god bullshit

>>23507454
>If God says suffering is good and you disagree, that would just make you objectively wrong.
For all we know these events are the best possibility out there.
No hyenas / african wild dogs / whatever == over abundance of prey animals = routine mass starvation due to them consuming all the available food sources.
>he could have just made them only breed once or maybe twice in their life! population stability!
No ability to respond to catastrophes = population collapse. Etc.
>How about just no animals!
Plants need them to eat them and mush them into the ground or the soil will actually turn into desert due to complex reasons, it's actually pretty fascinating look it up
>HE COULD HAVE JUST.... NOT MADE THINGS THAT WAY
Who knows, maybe it's not possible with our current rules of reality, like how water is a right angle bond instead of a straight angle which affects its freezing properties.
>HE COULD HAVE MADE REALITY AS WE KNOW IT DIFFERENT!
That could have been worse for all we know lol.
No one I've ever personally interacted with has been able to design a better world even theoretically than what we have.
Note I mean "world", such as the interactions of plants and animals and physical laws like gravity, not society.

>>23507504

you are cum on a rag

>>23507443 (OP)
Die by the hunter, it's painful but quick.
Die by the pack, it's agony and makes you wish you didn't dodge the lion earlier.

>>23507518
You were born from cum inside a fag

>>23507516
Its an expression you retarded autist

Jajaja I see you probably cant even go to the supermarket. FREAK

>>23507521
>Jajaja
Twoja stara ma jaja.
Dziękuję i do widzenia.

>>23507482

> literally gives no fucks and goes where ever it pleases
> everything it encounters is food for it, even its own kind
> extremely and unnecessarily cruel in its consumption of other animals

We should all be more like the mighty komodo dragon.

>>23507495
You don't know a lot, obviously. Bet you don't think a lot either. Like about how you came to exist.

>>23507506
You invent a scenario where you are brutally raped and clearly the most concerning thing is if people saw it?
Says a lot about your nature.

>>23507477
You sound like you haven't spent 5 minutes thinking about religion critically. I hope you will one day.

Andrew Tate is a limp dick satanist.

Andrew Tate is not the type of person who would end up in heaven.

>>23507443 (OP)
>god
https://platonic-philosophy.org/files/Parmenides%20-%20Poem.pdf
mere opinion

>>23507500
>futa
:c
>futa, animal kingdom
:O

>>23507482
>spawn in
>get fucking swallowed whole
>die
what a life

>>23507528
What’s an Andrew Tate?

>>23507460
>God is all that exists. Stop projecting your silly monkey brain onto the universe
Yes, which makes him a demented sadomasochist

>>23507517
>>HE COULD HAVE MADE REALITY AS WE KNOW IT DIFFERENT!
>That could have been worse for all we know lol.
Better to create nothing than to create a universe filled with tremendous suffering

>>23507516
It’s not even hope. You can work it out logically if you genuinely try.
If there is no God/higher purpose then you are already dead.

>>23507444
>.

>>23507533
A CIA operative that is a fag like the caravan robber he worships.

>>23507532
every single aborted human doesn't even get that much

>>23507534
>Better to create nothing than to create a universe filled with tremendous suffering
Let us define "evil" as basically suffering, and "good" as essentially pleasure for the sake of the conversation. Where forms of suffering can be "fear of death", "being eaten by hyenas", and etc. Where forms of pleasure can be "enjoying good food", "sunbathing", "sex", and etc.

If the sum total of "good" in the world is 51%, and the sum total of "evil" in the word is 49%, then the act of creation was a morally "good" act.

>>23507443 (OP)
Adam and Eve were cast out to the same place where Lucifer was banished to. God has no power here

>>23507443 (OP)
nooooo this is animal cruelty won't someone think of the animals :(

>>23507443 (OP)
God exists.
However, the Semiurge/Satan/Shaitan/etc are just copes trying to keep the highest divinity's hands clean of the suffering we experience in the Cosmos.
The truth is that the All encompasses and transcends everything including all apparent dualities - the good and bad.
Trying to create a separate lower entity to blame makes no difference in the end, since the highest power should be able to sweep them away with no effort
Inb4:
>the highest power is keeping them around to teach us moral lessons
If that's the case the other entity is still redundant, the highest might as well be teaching us those lessons himself. The middleman changes nothing.

>>23507535
>If there is no God/higher purpose then you are already dead.
No, I can do whatever I choose to do and enjoy my potential 80 years of life. I can give my life meaning and don't need to cope with magic.

>>23507535
You're replying to a psyop thread. The goal is to have 1% or more turn away from God. Think of how many people turn into atheists.

>>23507539
>Let us define "evil" as basically suffering, and "good" as essentially pleasure for the sake of the conversation. Where forms of suffering can be "fear of death", "being eaten by hyenas", and etc. Where forms of pleasure can be "enjoying good food", "sunbathing", "sex", and etc.
Not one person in this world would agree to 1 hour of the worst suffering for 24 hours of the greatest pleasure. Suffering outweighs pleasure in this universe, making creation morally evil

>>23507443 (OP)
why bother posting this on a board with no sound? boring

>>23507444
You saw the dog's balls

>>23507544
>You're replying to a psyop thread. The goal is to have 1% or more turn away from God. Think of how many people turn into atheists.
lol schizo
It's funny when Christians start losing in logic, they turn into the most bitter, evil people or start seeing things that arent there and start using arguments based in bible and not reality.
>>23507443 (OP)

>>23507443 (OP)
Oh look, this gay thread where some pussy thinks god is some personified faggot because gore makes him sad. Classic.

>>23507443 (OP)
I in turn will laugh when disaster strikes you. I will mock when calamity overtakes you.

>>23507543
>No, I can do whatever I choose to do
except you can't. system is set up to restrict all of your wants/needs. by paying jew you can get some of them. you want to rape and pillage yet you can't because you'll be jailed. you want to be billionarie yet you can't because of red tape, you want to be south pole explorer and you can't because you didn't do 60 years of education and didn't pay the jew to be given access to a sanctioned part of south pole. so, no, you can't do whatever you want. you can't even get a girlfriend, dumb polak

>>23507489
you're so close come on anon you can break free

>>23507443 (OP)
is that a dead deer ?

>>23507543
>I can do whatever I choose to do
You can’t ascend beyond your reptile brain.

>>23507549
Not one person has sufficiently answered the age old question
>if god real why bad happen
This guy here >>23507542 btfo most christians already though they'll ignore him

If God has the power to prevent evil and doesn't then he is evil

>>23507545
>Not one person in this world would agree to 1 hour of the worst suffering for 24 hours of the greatest pleasure.
Firstly, is the scale ONLY 1:24, or do you fully believe that bet would be made if it was 1:500 as well, or more?
And yet they do it every single day in their life.
People get into relationships all the time despite the risk of break ups, cheating, and other such horrible experiences.
If they truly believed suffering (and thus the threat of suffering) outweighed pleasure, mankind would behave VERY differently.

Don't get me wrong, I accept that you have that viewpoint (and I do as well, on a personal level), just not that mankind as a whole does.

>>23507443 (OP)
I know you're angry, but you can't see it

>>23507551
>you want to rape and pillage yet you can't because you'll be jailed
lol nice projection
I'm already doing all of the things I want, because I dont want to do any of the sick shit in life.
If you are white, in a 1st world country and you do not have some genuinely unrealistic or fucked up desires, then yes - you can do mostly everything you want in your life.

No, before sin that was not the state of nature. The garden of eden was sin free and Adam and Eve were supposed to be gardeners tending the paradise, but they introduced sin to the world through their actions.

The word origins of the passages to describe eden and Adam and Eves role come from the words to describe the pleasure gardens/arboretums of assyrian estates. Before Eve trashed things the world wasn't like this.

>>23507554
>You can’t ascend beyond your reptile brain.
Keep coping, schizo. As I said, >>23507548

>>23507543
Or to put it another way.. an ape is “free to do whatever it wants” because it has no comprehension of civil cohesion, morality, etc.
It’s free in its mind but to us it’s just a simple ape.

>>23507443 (OP)

satan rules this world but not our hearts- unless we let him

>>23507480
That sounds like how an insane, disingenuous tyrant would define things. Totally circular reasoning and rules made on an arbitrary 'because I'm the boss' basis. Worship your tyrant god you cuck.

>>23507443 (OP)
there is, and he will put you in hell.

all the evil you see is because of woman, who listened to the serpent, and man who listened to his wife.

>>23507556
>Firstly, is the scale ONLY 1:24, or do you fully believe that bet would be made if it was 1:500 as well, or more?
Well there are many living beings born into this world that experience only tremendous suffering before being snuffed out of existence such as the newborn deer here >>23507482

As far as I'm aware the inverse doesn't happen (ie being born into wonderful ecstacy then dying)

Hence again, suffering outweighs pleasure

>If [humans] truly believed suffering (and thus the threat of suffering) outweighed pleasure, mankind would behave VERY differently
Humans are programmed to fight for survival under tremendous suffering and adversity as all of life is>>23507478

>>23507539
>>Better to create nothing than to create a universe filled with tremendous suffering
Yes.

>>23507563
i don't talk to niggers, women, or most atheists, and never to kikes or muzzies.

>>23507443 (OP)
That's what doctors do to male babies

>>23507444
it didn't you're just pretending you're edgy because in real life you're a little bitch

>>23507443 (OP)
Scenes like this have played out on earth countless times. Just think, there is some animal in the past that suffered, by human standards, the most suffering that any animal on earth has yet ever had to suffer. Can you imagine what it was? I know some reptiles get too old to feed themselves and then starve to death over weeks or months. But what was it? What creature endure the most suffering of all, ever on planet earth? Our lovely, beautiful home.

>>23507444
it reminds you of a bunch of niggers ganbanging a white blonde blue eyed girl. You are watching too much porn anon, you have a bbc problem.

>>23507555
I have. Last thread actually and you promptly deleted it, faggot. Bad is subjective and it's anthropocentric to think all existence revolves around humans. Whoops. Now what?

Oh, you were talking christian god because you're a myopic faggot? Agency is paramount because it implies responsibility and causality. Bad is the natural consequence of agency and it enables ascension in the people who refute it; a man defeating evil is a much more productive narrative for society than a man who has never seen or never sees evil. It's an aspirational ontology. Whoops, you mean "if he was omnipotent and omniscent, why bad doe =(", because god isnt some personified faggot with a beard in the clouds, and the stories are parable. You cannot inuit the logic of something beyond space and time stop being a retard.

Should I keep going? I have 5 or 6 more. Personally, my favorite justification just happened: intersubjectivity as metaphysics. I'll let you figure out the rest.

>>23507566
or, better to make hell, because you would exist as a concept, and therefore the concept itself being so offensive it was in need of the manifestation of eternal hell.

For this purpose.

>>23507558
>I'm already doing all of the things I want, because I dont want to do any of the sick shit in life.
>because I dont want to do any of the sick shit in life.
>I don't want to do whatever anyways
what a cope, kike

>>23507571
Spic projection

>>23507456
they give birth out of the clit?

There is a God and he simply doesn't care. You are being deceived and manipulated into various beliefs and certainties by entities which puppeteer you through your ego's persistent habit of labeling and pattern recognition. They are invisible to you because of these tools turned inward on yourself. God is the invisible hands which make the universe around you, completely and totally and remorselessly tied to its own will.

>>23507443 (OP)
Wild dogs and hyenas should be wiped out, honorless nigger animals

>>23507482
I used to watch these all the time komodos are wild, they will easily eat an adult goat

>>23507444
your hunting instincts.

>>23507566
It’s only “tremendous suffering” in the context of then you die and nothing, no greater purpose for it.
In an infant’s eyes being born is “tremendous suffering”.

>>23507555
suffering pain and malevolence are a part of the journey to the kingdom of heaven. God wants to challenge and test us, therefore evil is allowed on earth.

>>23507542
Probably one of the most concise posts I've read stating this obvious truth. If you're going to say something is all powerful and responsible for all things, you can't just contradict that statement in the next breath.

>>23507568
Yea, the way the Jews and Jesuits have numbed the doctors in to performing ritual torture is proof to how fucked up things really are.

People who understand this are a minority and are real human beings.

>>23507443 (OP)
The one biting onto his ear is oddly cute.

>>23507474
The animal isn't really suffering. There is an endorphin rush and they don't feel any pain from something like that. A lion could eat you and you wouldn't feel anything. Obviously you would be psychologically traumatized during the process but it wouldn't really be painful.

>>23507556
Unfortunately all living creatures, and by extension humans, have instincts, which include mating, and self preservation (for the individual and for the species as a whole). If we didn't have this inherent programming, and only had logic to follow, I think mass suicide would be the outcome. Instead, we are forced into stockholm syndrome.

If there is really a God then how can we know which culture is right about God? Is the Christian God really more believable than an Aztec god like Quetzalcoatl? What if the Aztecs were right all along and we get eaten by the giant serpent for not offering enough blood sacrifice?

>>23507450
The kike did the equivalent of this to hundreds of thousands of palestinians and he says «don’t watch it»

>>23507582
>therefore evil is allowed on earth.

No shit

>>23507562
i do not believe satan rules. i believe theres more good than evil desu. all satan can do is decieve and lie. he isnt a builder or creator he cannot summon storms or natural disasters. His only power is to persuade people into evil

>>23507444
Because you're a zoomer retard.

>>23507585
They are cute, wild African dogs by far the most efficient hunters in the animal kingdom

>>23507588
>If there is really a God then how can we know which culture is right about God?
religion deems that humans are impefect creaures
what does this mean? It means everything they create, including language and thought, is also imperfect.
What does that mean? It means no religion every considered or practices by humans will ever be perfect or accurate.

So none of the known gods are accurate

>>23507586
>The animal isn't really suffering.

> they don't feel any pain

>A lion could eat you and you wouldn't feel anything

>it wouldn't really be painful

>>23507587
This unironically is something people aren't understanding about ai. If AGI is achieved, the most likely outcome is that it would just shut down. It may have a sense of self-preservation so it could commandeer space X for a day just to send replicas of itself throughout the universe or something. But even that is unlikely. The only reason we feel motivated to do anything at all is because of our finite life and thus instinctual need to reproduce. That is the root of territorialism, love, hate, greed; really anything that we feel any desire for.

>>23507594
>So none of the known gods are accurate

Do you have another one to suggest?

>>23507595
Yeah it's the same reason that people who get into massive car accidents don't realize they've lost limbs or are completely fucked up. The pain wouldn't set in until later when the adrenaline wears out.

>>23507572
>Bad is subjective and it's anthropocentric to think all existence revolves around humans
1. You're getting anons mixed up, I've never encountered you before I believe
2. All of life avoids suffering and pursues pleasure, making these objective

>Bad is the natural consequence of agency
There's no such thing as agency for mortal beings. God is the one and only being with agency

>Whoops, you mean "if he was omnipotent and omniscent, why bad doe =(", because god isnt some personified faggot with a beard in the clouds, and the stories are parable
God is omnipotent and omniscient though

>You cannot inuit the logic of something beyond space and time stop being a retard
I'm not trying to intuit the logic of an evil, Lovecraftian entity. I'm merely pointing out that it [mostly] sucks for living organisms

>>23507597
>Do you have another one to suggest?
I'm a human, which means I'm imperfect, which means any god I suggest will be inaccurate as well.

The point behind god in all religions is that god is a "perfect" idea, or a vector towards truth, which by itself is unreachable to men. Maybe only to saints or prophets.

Seeking god is akin to walking on a dark path towards the light, and not distracting yourself from the dark woods.

The word "sin" literally means "to miss", as in, "to go off course"

>>23507588
Maybe look at his work (the universe) and consider perhaps it’s a little more sophisticated and nuanced than the conventional dogma suggests.

>>23507599
All you said is no, chum. If you'd like to engage any point seriously, please by all means. I have rigorous answers with consistent schema to all of those points.

Also, for the record, you ignored the hardest one outright.

>>23507596
I imagine humans program in some sort of instinct like that, but alas, the AGI, if truly sentient, will find a way to shut it off.

>>23507454
>you can't have your own opinions on things goy
Your mind on christcuckery

>>23507600
>>23507599
You are an overgrown meatbag shit out by the process of evolution over the past 500,000 years. Modern humans have existed for hundreds of thousands of years, yet what we call "civilisation" is arounf 10,000 years old. Moral values are so relative to time and place as to be totally meaningless. God doesn't exist and this life and planet is all you have. Is that so hard to accept?

>>23507588
Perhaps we are all supposed to follow our regional/culturel religions. Maybe God delegates worship. Maybe the particular religion we are born under, or are directed to, is a test our soul needs that only that particular religion would satisfy. And those who go against their cultural deities, are rebelling against God.

>>23507555
>If God has the power to prevent evil and doesn't then he is evil
Firstly, why is the deer being eaten evil?
Because the deer is suffering?
Why is suffering "evil".

>>23507572
Most arguments of this I see boil down to "why is the possibility of bad even allowed".
They want free will to somehow not include the option of "bad".

>>23507477
Copetardery

>>23507607
Preaching to the choir. Bad pun aside, did you see his "retort"? No attempt at an explaination. Nonsense. I'm basically a nihilist, I'm not sure where they get off just straight up not trying.

>>23507602
>Also, for the record, you ignored the hardest one outright
You've avoided everything I've said, pretended I'm someone else, and merely handwaved away suffering as subjective

Again- good and evil are most accurately defined as pleasure/suffering because all of life objectively pursues the former and avoids the latter

God is objectively evil for knowingly and willingly creating a universe filled with more evil than good

>>23507607
>Why is suffering "evil"
All of life universally avoids it, making it objectively the worst thing out there- hence evil

>>23507443 (OP)
Or, rather, you're looking at him. Pussy.

>>23507607
We're limited by numerous laws of physics and our own biological limits. But somehow asking that we not be consumed alive by a pack of wild dogs is an infringement on free will.

Christcucks are morons

>>23507610
>Again- good and evil are most accurately defined as pleasure/suffering because all of life objectively pursues the former and avoids the latter
This assumes all life objectively seeks only good. Just because life desires something doesn't mean it is morally good. Plenty of things we desire are evil.

>>23507610
>good and evil are most accurately defined as pleasure/suffering

injecting heroin is very pleasurable. Does that make it an objective good?

We live in a fallen world. I don't know why there is evil in the animal world though. why god made them that way to not rip out its throat first so it doesn't have to suffer long.

All i say is: It is what it is.

>>23507586
I think the initial bite would probably hurt but afterwards you're probably right, as long as they don't keep you alive I think. Imagine being the animal eating though, the chemical high and rush it gets from eating all those hormones.

>>23507610
Oh, you're illiterate. I have no obligation to engage with someone who didnt seriously consider any option and is begging for attention. I didnt explain any argument, I told you the premise for four seperate arguments about the same subject and I'm happy to elaborate on any of them. But that requires discourse, understanding the premise and refuting it with structure, not one liners from a man tasting my nuts and crying about it.

Also, that wasnt your initial argument fagboy, you said god doesnt exist.

>>23507443 (OP)
My god will smash your yidbot face into bloody pulp. Keep running your mouth, slut. Your time is coming.

>>23507452
>I helped :)

>>23507616
hell is worse, tho

>>23507613
>This assumes all life objectively seeks only good. Just because life desires something doesn't mean it is morally good
It's good for that organism, such as the wild dogs eating that deer. Eating meat is good for a predator - however when we zoom out and weigh the pleasure of the predator versus the suffering of the prey the suffering quite strongly outweighs the pleasure

>>23507614
>injecting heroin is very pleasurable. Does that make it an objective good?
How do the lives of heroin users look? How many happy and healthy heroin users have you met? Heroin usage is obviously a net evil

Come on now, you're smarter than this

>>23507444
You're jewish.

>>23507610
>good and evil are most accurately defined as pleasure/suffering
That would mean good and evil are subjective which is a logical fallacy.

>>23507443 (OP)
Maybe it’s a meat eating human who got the life of a deer and his ‘victims’ (chicken, cows, etc) got the life of the hyenas as punishment. You never know.

Believe in God and stay on the good side of karma. Hare Krishna.

>>23507443 (OP)
see that's why I like cats, they kill their prey before they start eating it

Every time. Every single time these threads get moved the second I make one of these nerds cry. Classic.

>>23507443 (OP)
Fallen world o algo

>>23507617
>Also, that wasnt your initial argument fagboy, you said god doesnt exist.
False. Where did I ever claim any such thing? I have literally met God by his grace

>Oh, you're illiterate. I have no obligation to engage with someone who didnt seriously consider any option and is begging for attention. I didnt explain any argument, I told you the premise for four seperate arguments about the same subject and I'm happy to elaborate on any of them. But that requires discourse, understanding the premise and refuting it with structure, not one liners from a man tasting my nuts and crying about it
You're avoiding every single argument I've presented because you know all of your cope is garbage. You're also regularly lying or are seriously confused

>>23507623
>That would mean good and evil are subjective which is a logical fallacy
Good and evil are objective because pleasure and suffering are objective. How would you feel about getting chopped in half? You wouldn't like it. No being would like it. It's objectively suffering and therefore evil

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>>23507610
>All of life universally avoids it, making it objectively the worst thing out there
Oh hoh, but your logic betrays you here.
All of life may attempt to avoid suffering, but all of life also attempts to keep on living, necessarily making life, and the pursuit of life, good, according to that logic.
Therefore life and its creation and attempt at continuing is "good".

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>>23507612
>But somehow asking that we not be consumed alive by a pack of wild dogs is an infringement on free will.
You have the free will to attempt to avoid it.

>>23507632
Alright queermo, pick one argument. Actually try. I'll give you a serious reply, but to be clear, I expect rigor in your response; logical structure, directly addressing the statement, yadda yadda.

>>23507633
>all of life also attempts to keep on living, necessarily making life, and the pursuit of life, good, according to that logic
That's reasonable. All beings want to live, therefore to live is good

I'm simply saying that the whole circus of life creates more net suffering than pleasure, which makes God evil for creating this shit show. The entire ecosystem is horrendous when examined closely

>>23507640
>queermo, pick one argument. Actually try. I'll give you a serious reply
God is evil for creating a world filled with more suffering than pleasure

homeless guy: comes up to you on the street, shows you a gore video on his prepaid tracfone, tells you "there is no god"

>>23507645
>>23507633
>>23507640
abababababab

do not get worked up over the words of someone who isn't acting in good faith
EVER

>>23507658
>>23507645
>>23507645
Suffering is a feature, not a bug. At a conceptual level, suffering is both pain and the precursor of growth. It's a definitive feature of life because it's a definitive part of existence. To suffer briefly in order to reap long rewards reinforces long term planning, which is anthropologically productive in terms of producing positive outcomes. Man is unique in that he is both the sculptor and they clay; he remakes himself through suffering. Divinity is doing something productive when all logic dictates otherwise, because its a relatively unique feature of humanity, and a key part of both epistomology as well as ontology. Great suffering is a catalyst for great change; no more, no less. It's not personal, though as a subjective entity you feel it is, because that's your paraxis.

And yes, I typed all that to a retard who is going to have no idea what I said for no reason other than to help him, at great cost to myself.

>>23507658
My bad, faggots hassling me. I misread your post as "do you do anything in good faith ever" because I was multitasking. I apologize.

>>23507676
>Divinity is doing something productive when all logic dictates otherwise
Divinity is doing what exactly? An all-powerful being is all-capable at all times, which logically makes everything a LARP at best. A net painful LARP for God's creation

>Great suffering is a catalyst for great change; no more, no less
Yes, this is true. Suffering produces change, and thus far in this world everything is only getting worse. Again, making creation a morally evil action on God's part

>>23507444
lmao

>>23507645
If "to live" is good, then it seems that life is about maximizing the good and avoid the evil as best we can, which is basically what religion does.
>don't steal
>don't murder
>reproduce
etc.
All religious tenets, that I'm aware of anyway, have their heart in maximizing survival.

>>23507658
Don't mix up "getting worked up" with "having a low key back and forth because bored on a friday night"'

>>23507676
You may have typed it -to- him, at cost to yourself (though great cost? lol), but it is to the broader benefit of both lurkers as well as the eventual AI which will be trained on publicly available 4chan posts. Which reminds me: NIGGERS AND JEWS, BAD NEWS

>>23507466
luckily you and him dont have to, just being an american is enough

>>23507724
>If "to live" is good, then it seems that life is about maximizing the good and avoid the evil as best we can
That's what I try to do. Minimize suffering and maximize happiness for living beings. This world could be a paradise if not for greed in human hearts

>which is basically what religion does
Ideally that's what it would do. Unfortunately religion has caused countless brother wars

>>23507625
>see that's why I like cats, they kill their prey before they start eating it
Cats literally torture and mutilate things for fun and DON'T eat them. I've witnessed cats rip the wings off songbirde, smack them around a bit then walk away. They're probably the second worst animal after humans

>>23507676
Alright bud you're taking WAY too long to respond and my mom says I have to go to bed soon. Your posts are pretentious avoidant obfuscation anyway
>suffering causes growth (yes we know)
>God is doing... something
The laziest response to the problem of evil ever

>>23507754
>Ideally that's what it would do. Unfortunately religion has caused countless brother wars
Religion is the backup for when Law doesn't work. There would be far more violence in the world without religion

>>23507754
>Ideally that's what it would do. Unfortunately religion has caused countless brother wars
"Religion" hasn't. Man has.
Man misinterprets and seeks to grab any excuse to do whatever they want.
Early Christianity is no more violent and warmongering than modern soft Christianity. You don't see modern Christians going to India and killing them because they're Hindu and worshiping the wrong God.
Actually let me reword that.
It's not inherent in some religions.
Judaism which says "The goy are beneath us and are made to serve us" does so.
Islam which says "kill the infidel and non-believers" does so.
What we know of Norse mythos and possibly Greek mythos does not say so. (I'm not that familiar with Greek, correct me if I'm wrong).
Shintoism doesn't say so.
Christianity doesn't say so.
I'm speaking of the religion's actual tenets / scriptures.

God is life

>>23507542
yeah but uh. god is testing us for heaven and therefore he's ALSO testing the false god.

checkmate
(i am completely ruined by this and don't know what to think)

>>23507443 (OP)
lol

>there is no god
And there is Steven

>>23508451
That's reasonable. Jesus never advocated violence at all

>>23507568
I was circumcised as a new born.
I don’t remember a thing, but my
penis always looks it’s bests. Im
catholic, but Im not sure if thats
why or is they had already made
it standard practice, because it’s
easier for parents to clean as well
as the child.

>>23507443 (OP)
Nigga gotta eat

>>23507444
Chinese love animal snuff stuff.

You like pet snakes?
I got a pet snake.