Are there any other true cryptocurrencies? - /biz/ (#60546386) [Archived: 885 hours ago]

Anonymous ID: JNS4rePT
6/25/2025, 3:30:57 PM No.60546386
BTC
BTC
md5: 20b9abf36ed458fce525ad11d5180450๐Ÿ”
Are there any other true cryptocurrencies?

Are there any other digital assets that are not just pre-mined tokens with their reserves in the hands of a handful of people?
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Anonymous ID: Pw70nAao
6/25/2025, 3:33:45 PM No.60546398
1750706553107351
1750706553107351
md5: 72c5230238e3c04f00fa19f4164cd378๐Ÿ”
>>60546386 (OP)
Anonymous ID: e9IV9yia
6/25/2025, 3:45:14 PM No.60546447
>>60546386 (OP)
Meanwhile, in reality: Bitcoin is fully institutionalized, three or four interest groups hold almost everything.
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Anonymous ID: qFmPX2m7
6/25/2025, 3:47:17 PM No.60546454
>>60546386 (OP)
ltc, ada, dgb, ((doge)) and bch
others are under top 300
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Anonymous ID: qFmPX2m7
6/25/2025, 3:48:29 PM No.60546460
>>60546447
holding is not power in POW crypto
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Anonymous ID: JNS4rePT
6/25/2025, 3:49:25 PM No.60546464
>>60546447
Most of the BTC is in the hands of individuals who have no connection to each other, making it a relatively more decentralized asset.
Anonymous ID: JNS4rePT
6/25/2025, 3:51:23 PM No.60546476
>>60546454
Can I mine these assets in the same way as BTC?
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Anonymous ID: qFmPX2m7
6/25/2025, 3:53:36 PM No.60546488
>>60546476
yes for others.
ada is only POS crypto. other POS are just digital assets.
ETH copied ADA, but made it so few people can control it.
other POS chains might soon become crypto.
Anonymous ID: 0rX4YEc9
6/25/2025, 3:57:44 PM No.60546505
>>60546476
you can mine litecoin and doge simmultaneously on the same miner, but desu miners are a meme just buy the crypto and wait a few years. the time it takes to get returns on your miners is long as fuck, and if its going in a bear market its even longer
Anonymous ID: HW1URk2P
6/25/2025, 4:06:12 PM No.60546547
>>60546386 (OP)
XNO
Anonymous ID: 0Au/6asS
6/25/2025, 4:07:35 PM No.60546551
>>60546460
60% of BTCs hashrate comes from just 4 companies in China that are all beholden to the CCP. They have the power to launch a 51% attack anytime they want.
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Anonymous ID: AuZMSeWk
6/25/2025, 4:08:53 PM No.60546558
that old rubbish will not make it

>too slow
>greedy with energy
>outdated
>quantum computers....
>no interests
>tulip mania
>only limited supply
>unable to mine
>easy to track every transaction because stoopid tech

every new coin can do everything better!
but muh store of bullshit. yeah gold/silver are better and you can touch, hold but not inflate!
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Anonymous ID: w6QKlBbx
6/25/2025, 4:09:59 PM No.60546565
>>60546551
Where are you getting this statistic?
Anonymous ID: wpXqJQKg
6/25/2025, 4:10:50 PM No.60546572
1000000892
1000000892
md5: de6a4b78bf3871f07a5110574fdd5e3b๐Ÿ”
>>60546551
Yes, they will 51% attack and lose billions in investment, retard.
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Anonymous ID: JNS4rePT
6/25/2025, 4:17:01 PM No.60546609
3pilares-empresa
3pilares-empresa
md5: 30c7b5e291927af3fc254e579be42ac3๐Ÿ”
For a cryptocurrency to be like BTC, it needs to be backed by scarcity, be mineable, and have good cryptography.
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Anonymous ID: eCo6t8Tb
6/25/2025, 4:21:20 PM No.60546624
>>60546551
full nodes control the network, not miners, who just secure it with a big risk to try to profit

>>60546558
another tech illiterate, with a particular failure to understand how energy is used and how the protocol is updated
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Anonymous ID: IZm4akOW
6/25/2025, 4:23:58 PM No.60546634
IMG_4543
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md5: f0b08e410d0525c9d2c0d31f34ff4c2a๐Ÿ”
Bitcoin is the true cryptocurrency not because muh energy and shit, but because people use it. Everyone knows Bitcoin and everyone uses Bitcoin, and that makes Bitcoin Bitcoin.
Anonymous ID: 1Xizxjjx
6/25/2025, 4:25:05 PM No.60546640
>>60546572
>its decentralized
>actually the centralized authority will act in our best interests
Pick a lane you fucking retards
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Anonymous ID: eCo6t8Tb
6/25/2025, 4:31:20 PM No.60546675
>>60546640
>centralized authority will lose billions in a failed attack
I think you are the retard
Anonymous ID: wpXqJQKg
6/25/2025, 4:34:47 PM No.60546690
>>60546640
It will act in self-interest which is not to attack. That's the beauty of bitcoin.
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Anonymous ID: AuZMSeWk
6/25/2025, 5:03:34 PM No.60546815
>>60546624
another maxi illiterate, with a particular failure to understand how markets work!

>see you at 20K
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Anonymous ID: Q8yiBGua
6/25/2025, 5:14:07 PM No.60546851
Satoshi Nakamoto (Bitcoinโ€™s anonymous creator): ~1,096,000 BTC

Coinbase (crypto exchange): ~993,000 BTC

BlackRock (institutional asset manager): ~664,000 BTC

Binance (crypto exchange): ~619,000 BTC

MicroStrategy (public company): ~592,100 BTC

Fidelity Investments (Wise Origin Bitcoin Trust ETF): ~350,000 BTC

Tether (stablecoin issuer): ~100,251 BTC

Winklevoss Twins (individuals): ~70,000 BTC

Tim Draper (individual investor): ~29,656 BTC

Tesla, Inc. (public company): ~11,509 BTC

U.S. Government (seized and strategic holdings): ~198,000 BTC

China Government (estimated holdings): ~194,000 BTC
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Anonymous ID: k6v7IXdD
6/25/2025, 5:19:44 PM No.60546872
>>60546386 (OP)
Should I buy a trezor? All my crypto (only about $200 of BTC right now) is in coinbase but I read that it's bad to leave it there. All this wallet stuff confuses me.
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Anonymous ID: eCo6t8Tb
6/25/2025, 5:41:36 PM No.60546941
>>60546815
>no arguments
Anonymous ID: AuZMSeWk
6/25/2025, 6:25:26 PM No.60547086
>>60546851
thats a quater of all coins and ((((they))) telling us to get into. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>totally not rigged asscrap
Anonymous ID: qFmPX2m7
6/25/2025, 6:34:19 PM No.60547122
>>60546551
just lies.
bet you like xrp
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Anonymous ID: qFmPX2m7
6/25/2025, 6:38:20 PM No.60547148
>>60546558
learn more

>>60546609
no. you don't get it.

>>60546872
no. waste of money and time.

>>60546851
holding gives no power.

>>60546640
it's not centralized. keep lieing in silence.
Anonymous ID: 6sKOYSEu
6/25/2025, 6:48:48 PM No.60547194
>>60546690
>It will act in self-interest
>most holders are American, most hashrate is Chinese
Yeah anon, political adversaries never attack each other. Wars have literally never ever happened in all of history. You got it.
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Anonymous ID: jAZj1u+d
6/25/2025, 7:36:11 PM No.60547325
>>60547122
>muh xrp boogeyman
Lol, lmao the absolute state.
When did maxis start feeling threatened by a scam to the point that it lives rent free in their heads?
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Anonymous ID: B05mt7bz
6/25/2025, 10:27:15 PM No.60547953
>>60547194
What can you gain by 51% attacking?
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Anonymous ID: qFmPX2m7
6/25/2025, 10:30:50 PM No.60547965
>>60547325
im not maxie.
you are just newfag
Anonymous ID: r5fPVyE3
6/26/2025, 12:08:30 AM No.60548222
>>60546386 (OP)
The only other major competitors to being true crypto currencies:
>ltc
>xmr
>doge (unironically)
They've stood the test of uptime, become mostly decentralized, operate on pow, and don't try to tack on extra "features" bloat. None of those, however can match the network effects of being the ultimately novel invention of a working cryptocurrency. That will be btc only for the foreseeable future
Anonymous ID: PIRhptU5
6/26/2025, 12:26:25 AM No.60548267
>>60546624
>full nodes control the network, not miners, who just secure it with a big risk to try to profit
A maxi who doesn't understand the consensus mechanism of Bitcoin, beautiful
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Anonymous ID: eCo6t8Tb
6/26/2025, 2:59:13 AM No.60548721
>>60548267
I understand it, you don't based on your post, it's a subtle and profund point that every bitcoin serious users know, you're probably a bcash user
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Anonymous ID: D7tJktrj
6/26/2025, 5:03:51 AM No.60549019
>>60546551
>>60546640
>>60547194
>>60548267
This samefag keeps changing his IP every single time. Also I'm starting to believe it's AI but it's not a bot. It's an anon that likes to rustle jimmies by using AI to generate mocking replies but they are nonsense when you stop to think about it. Fuck off and die pussy.
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Anonymous ID: jAZj1u+d
6/26/2025, 5:56:40 AM No.60549182
1737067047307526
1737067047307526
md5: d3a2c441581b9389814925a6cc96a78f๐Ÿ”
>>60549019
>its a concentrated effort and conspiracy that more than one individual would have any form of objection to my opinion
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Anonymous ID: D7tJktrj
6/26/2025, 7:02:33 AM No.60549317
>>60549182
>t. midwit
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Anonymous ID: UcCE94+I
6/26/2025, 1:45:06 PM No.60549944
38729
38729
md5: b7aede33a6970810d1b951e5cbe8180c๐Ÿ”
a horde of trannies will try to convince you otherwise, but Kaspa is everything BTC set out to be
Anonymous ID: jAZj1u+d
6/26/2025, 2:34:22 PM No.60550047
1652825526851
1652825526851
md5: 69370c2b59233c4e8850b54245153960๐Ÿ”
>>60549317
>anyone who disagrees with me is AI, a bot, or a midwit.
Take your meds. Better yet go outside and touch grass you virgin. Normal people dont act like that you delusional schitzo. You're easily the stupidest poster ITT.
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Anonymous ID: PIRhptU5
6/26/2025, 3:01:10 PM No.60550121
>>60547953
A 51% attacker can do essentially two things
1. Reorg the chain, basically changing the past for some purpose (censorship, double spending, theft (every block reward can be claimed by the 51% attacker, stealing it from the other miners if they haven't sold yet)). This has the caveat that the miner must duplicate the work of older blocks, so the risk of a reorg falls exponentially as more and more blocks are mined after it, 51% attack or not.
2. The same power as above but for future transactions, e.g. censoring transactions, claiming all block rewards unilaterally killing miner incentives, etc. This could be used for maximal damage by denying all transactions, only mining empty blocks which you then dump on some exchange, effectively killing the network.

This is because, unlike what maxis like >>60548721 believe, the consensus mechanism of Bitcoin is that the chain with the most proof of work is the most valid chain, so the moment any one actor has more hashpower than every other actor, they control the full consensus of Bitcoin for the future and to some degree the past. Unlike proof of stake networks, which can simply censor the attacker by removing/slashing his stake, proof of work networks have no vehicle to censor the attacker outside of changing the hash algorithm. An attacker has financial incentive to destroy Bitcoin like this if he is fundamentally short Bitcoin, whether they be a real short position, a long position in a competing network that would survive BTC's death, or as mentioned a foreign nation using it as an act of war.
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Anonymous ID: eCo6t8Tb
6/26/2025, 3:10:42 PM No.60550146
>>60550121
>>60547953
full nodes decide which is the valid chain, it doesn't matter if a chain has the most proof of work, if that chain is invalid per the network rules, full nodes have full control on the network including the mining algorithm and others details that can make miners lose a lot of money
the correct chain is the longest *valid* chain, not the longest chain

I don't know why people struggle to understand something so simple, maybe they're just cucks seething to have lost the blocksize war
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Anonymous ID: PIRhptU5
6/26/2025, 3:12:52 PM No.60550152
>>60550146
anon, surely you understand everything I mentioned is valid under the network rules? Nothing there would've resulted in an invalid block, no fake signatures, no spending of a UTXO twice, nothing.
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Anonymous ID: 5Zzi1Hqc
6/26/2025, 3:16:50 PM No.60550160
>>60546386 (OP)
BTC and XMR, maybe. The rest? Pre mined VC trash with mods on power trips.
>xMoney is one of the few that isnโ€™t a joke, used it in Europe to pay with crypto, settles in fiat. Actually works.
Better than praying your alt doesnโ€™t rug at 4AM.
Anonymous ID: eCo6t8Tb
6/26/2025, 3:28:14 PM No.60550201
>>60550152
uh no. if a miner attacks the network (censorship, double spending, theft, or more), then nodes will react accordingly and do what they have to do to stop this attack if it doesn't stop. exploiting a 51% attack isn't a valid use, it's an attack, like the name suggests. when someone controls more than 51% of the network, the safety of the network is challenged.
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Anonymous ID: PIRhptU5
6/26/2025, 3:35:39 PM No.60550229
>>60550201
>then nodes will react accordingly and do what they have to do to stop this attack if it doesn't stop.
What will this counterresponse be? Changing the mining algorithm will essentially remove all the security from the chain and reset the hashrate to 0, as well as essentially rugpulling the existing miners and destroying the reputation of the chain. Since the attacker is doing nothing illegal, I don't see any other response full nodes could do other than change the mining algorithm.
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Anonymous ID: eCo6t8Tb
6/26/2025, 3:55:16 PM No.60550326
>>60550229
changing the mining algorithm is the only solution I can see. if bitcoin is 51% attacked it will be a bit more than hectic for a little while. the hashrate will start low, but it will quickly go back up. there's no risk of losing funds or access to the funds by broadcasting payments attempts on l1, only a delay. and people will wait for more than just 6 confirmations. so the mempool will be filled by fees to incentivize miners. maybe lightning would keep working though, and the settlement would simply be delayed.

thinking about it, I think the immediate response would be to use an asic resistant algorithm (like monero) while the new mining algorithm is disclosed, and determine a valid delay for its implementation so that miners everywhere have a chance to supply and setup new machines to enable a sufficiently high hashrate.

the attacker can keep doing it, but he will run out of resources at some point. requiring the attacker to waste energy and machines is as good as it can get.
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Anonymous ID: eCo6t8Tb
6/26/2025, 3:57:08 PM No.60550330
>>60550326
also if the attacker is identified, I can see retaliations towards him from other miners
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Anonymous ID: +sVWwAen
6/26/2025, 3:57:17 PM No.60550331
>>60550047
>>60550229
You guys realize you're arguing with people who are tech illiterate right?
Anonymous ID: PIRhptU5
6/26/2025, 4:00:08 PM No.60550347
>>60550330
The attacker would likely be state sponsored since a hostile 51% attack is obviously illegal in pretty much all jurisdictions. The only state that would even try it right now (if they could) would be North Korea, but they have little to gain from destroying Bitcoin and a lot to lose since Bitcoin is one of the only ways they can send and receive funds.
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Anonymous ID: JyRmByQj
6/26/2025, 4:06:37 PM No.60550383
>>60546386 (OP)
no
Anonymous ID: eCo6t8Tb
6/26/2025, 4:10:54 PM No.60550400
>>60550347
I expect china or the usa to attempt that, or whatever seething banking cartel when all hope is lost for them, it's important to not rule out a 51% attack happening, but as long as it's expensive for the attacker and full nodes watch the network permanently I think it's going to be fine
some people might also try to create a bitcoin with a different supply or without max supply, full nodes will need to strictly reject everything related to that.