I live just out of NYC and I've been hearing about this new guy that's running for Mayor of New York. Politics aside, I wanna ask about how economic this sounds.

The guy on the left is Zohran and his plans for becoming mayor is to create communal government ran grocery stores and permanently fix rent prices so they will stay flat for New Yorkers. This sounds like New York is going to lose a ton of money fast. If you were to choose who would it be?

>from left to right

1. Zohran Mamdani - has only lived in the US for 7 years and is an arabic communist
2. Corey Booker - A corrupt political official and former mayor thats been convicted of bribery
3. Andrew Cuomo - A sexual Predator and rapist while in office

>All politics aside, how would New York as a capitalistic entity would react to government ran grocery stores and permanent rent freezes? Won't this kill all innovation inside of New York permanently? What are your thoughts /biz/?

>>60549316 (OP)
Corey Booker is a Senator from New Jersey. Are you retarded?

>>60549316 (OP)
Don't forget Cuomo also sent Covid patients to nursing homes and killed a bunch of old people

>>60549321
I thought he was but I re googled it an he isn't thank god. I haven't kept up with the primaries to care but I don't like him.

>>60549316 (OP)
>has only lived in the US for 7 years and is an arabic communist
He went to high school in NYC, so much longer than 7 years.

>>60549316 (OP)
Rent control never works, leads to shortages. Lucky individuals will be happy but society suffers.
Communal government run government stores will probably be shit unless have some form of privatization due to lack of profit chasing incentive and no competition.
>t. Studied economy and lived in yugoslavia where that shit was abundant

>>60549316 (OP)
>rent stabilization
Rent / landlords are a cancer. Both communist (all) and capitalist (Smith, Ricardo, Mill, Friedman) economic philosophers agree. Landlords produce no actual services or products and therefore parasitize both the wages of actual capitalists and workers. Rent stabilization is therefore a step into the right direction and will lead to economic increase in the area, as people will simply have more money left over to spend in the economy on actual goods and services.

>groceries
I’m not sure what the profit margins are of US grocery stores. Here in Europe they’re quite low and firms make a profit just by the sheer volume they sell. If that’s the same in the US I don’t see a huge difference. If prices are inflated there due to cartelization it may make a difference - everyone has to buy groceries and if you need to spend less on them there’s more to spend in the rest of the economy

>>60549316 (OP)
these things move in cycles, people quickly forgot how bad it used to be
just go back and look at some movies that made in the late 70s and 80s to depict how bad the crime situation was

>but government run grocery stores
thats straight up soviet breadlines dystopia, its like CHAZ just took a whole city

>rent control
needed landlording is pure parasitism that needs to be dissuaded, tho the preferred mechanism would be excessive taxation on owning multiple residential properties

you can expect this sort of clownshow to continue btw, you cant disenfranchise the youth to this level and not expect some sort of backlash, doubly so if every institute of learning has been fully occupied by batshit insane marxists

>>60549728
>>60549460
Discuss.

>>60549460
I don't think this is a serious post and I don't think you are a serious person

Friedman was not anti landlord. You might have 1 quote out of context but their is hours of him shitting on rent controls. And grocery stores make basically nothing in aggregate, there is no magical profit to plunder. In total this guy will hike taxes bigly and the rich will leave even faster than they have been, then he will have no boogeyman and will have to get the taxes from the poor

>>60549420
Anyone who has been enlisted in the US military or lived in Soviet Russia understands this.

>>60549728
It really is maximum clownworld, isn't it?
>infiltrate academia
>change definitions of political/economic distinctions on the fly so it confuses normies
>start propaganda campaigns downplaying the *severe* consequences of state intervention in markets
>start propaganda campaigns retconning history
>successfully reimplement, piece by piece, provable and historically disastrous policies so you can just sow more discord and profit
I hate it so much here

>>60549460
>>60549728
>muh landlordism
Not everyone can just buy a home, landlords are a necessary part of the system. You don't want the state owning all the rental properties either, they'll allocate them based on bad (ie non-economic) criteria and prioritise housing single mothers on welfare over people who actually contribute and need to be in the middle of the city. The main thing the government needs to do is fix the supply issue by making development easier and less risky, and make it so that actually adding properties to the supply delivers much, much better returns than just buying and hoarding them.

>>60549743
circular reasoning: housing is expensive so we need landlords to keep housing unaffordable
landlords jack up the prices of construction as they hoard real estate with their easy access to capital, its a slow and insidious poison to real capitalism
for human wants and needs are endless and there is a constant churn in companies producing to fulfill that need and want so the free market works to deliver goods at the best available price point
however none of the benefits of the free market work on real estate and especially so on highly constricted real estate in city centers since no matter how efficient your business is run you cant make new land and we are reaching limits on vertical stacking too
no matter how much you subsidize new construction you will never outpace the monopolization of real estate this way
hence a tiered progressive excessive tax scheme on multiple properties is the only way to fix the affordability crisis, you can own 1 or 2 rentals but not 1000 and certainly blackcock needs to be abolished
but maybe with the new technologies of the internet a new decentralized housing wave will force an end to the parasitism from the other side

>>60549764
All of these problems are downstream of fiat money
Sound money fixes all of it

>>60549460
Rent control and any price caps are a systemic change which iduce literally rent seeking behavior, and additonally what is worse black markets. There will be added cost to enforcing this, not to mention that the no.1 thing in economics is shat on here - scarce resources don't flow where they're most needed.
Same goes for state stores. They're on one side monopolistic, but then even worse because noone cares about profit because there's no competition, which leads to operational mismanagement.
All this produces a suboptimal scenario for the community. Where people are "more equal", but they're all much poorer communally, outweighing the benefit of social equality.
Please leave the neocommunist ideas to the plebeians and take a look at some youtube videos from econdahl, he explains this in a really succint format.

>>60549784
a lot yes, but even under a sound money system the rich get easier and cheaper credit access than everyone else
the real problem is that real estate is too easy to monopolize without intervention since again you cant make new land

>>60549316 (OP)
>Live in metro area
Who cares what happens to you, bug man? Go drink your ipa's in the barcode and get fucked.

>>60549764
Housing costs are an extremely clear expression of supply and demand. Introducing wierd arbitrary rules about property ownership doesn't fix the fundamental issue which is driving them higher - too much demand and too little supply. Small landlords are often much shittier and amateurish than larger ones as well, if anything what you want to encourage is large-scale institutional investment in rental housing, getting things like pension funds to build big apartment blocks. You can absolutely use the tax system to manage incentives as well, levy higher taxes and impose standards on landlords, while easing permitting and reducing taxes on developers. Add financial incentives for people who do large-scale build-to-rent.

Bitching about a landord is fucking retarded. Cars are unaffordable because car rental places exist? Electricity is unaffordable because I rent it from a corporate power plant?

>inb4 you don't rent power

Wrong, your home is essentially renting 1/350,000th of the power generation of a plant. If you owned 1/350,000 of the plant you would not have to pay for electricity. No difference.

>>60549743
>not everyone can buy a home
True. But in the current market, like 70% of renters could, especially in big cities. Rent is higher than mortgages, and if you have a stable job to pay rent, you can also pay a mortgage (it would be much, much better for your own, and by proxy your communities’) financial health.

There will always be those who can’t buy a home and need to rent; students, people living on handouts, illegals, people that only plan to stay temporarily etc. etc., but a huge share of renters are just normal working people who have to waste their financial futures because they are being forced to live as renters.

>make it so that actually adding properties to the supply delivers much, much better returns than just buying and hoarding them
One of the easiest ways to do this is to make renting less profitable. You can spend billions and create schemes prone to failure based on just creating supply, and I think that should still be done, but an easy intervention such as this should also be considered

NYC goes through these phases. It will decline but it will never go bust because it's simply too big, rich, and powerful. They'll simply see more crime and decay for like a decade before people finally have enough and elect the latest Rudy G to clean up the streets.

>>60549316 (OP)
It won't matter as NYC is going to have a false flag attack from Israel disguised as Iran soon. The attack I'll probably be worse than 9/11. I don't know the nature of the attack or total destruction will be. But you can bet the markets are going to be completely fucked for a year or so. I wouldn't be trying to start a business or even be present near NYC for a long time.

It seems a lot of the stuff he's proposing be free (childcare, buses, renovating schools, building more housing etc) will be paid for solely by taxing the rich.

>>60549842
well thats retarded what i proposed directly reduces demand from a parasitic class
renting and owning is always in competition, tip the scale to owners and certainly remove pension funds from the equation that has got to be the most absurd suggestion i have ever seen, do you want boomers to own everything even worse than it already is
you want to add incentives to enslave the people to large institutions, again this is monopolizing the market to the detriment of the entire economy

>>60549871
>Cars are unaffordable because car rental places exist?
cars can be made to infinity, there is no hard cap on them hence not a problem, land on the other hand, is this truly such a hard concept to grasp

>>60549460
>Both communist (all) and capitalist (Smith, Ricardo, Mill,
These people believed in the labor theory of value. They were retarded.
Also they obviously weren't talking about modern landlords, they were talking about people fuedal landlords. People who got large amounts of land from the state.
Moron.
Also you're lying about friedman.
> Landlords produce no actual services
They literally produce housing with their capital.

>. Rent stabilization is therefore a step into the right direction
It's failed every fucking time it was tried. 90% of economists think rent control destroys cities.

Why are you even on /biz/ if you are a communist?

>>60549728
>needed landlording is pure parasitism that needs to be dissuaded, tho the preferred mechanism would be excessive taxation on owning multiple residential properties
Why does Japan have tons of landlords but CHEAP rent?
Ever consider that, retard?

>>60549764
>as they hoard real estate with their easy access to capital
Which produces new units and puts a downward pressure on rents. This is seen in cities with lax zoning laws and no rent control like Texas cities.
>however none of the benefits of the free market work on real estate and especially so on highly constricted real estate in city centers since no matter how efficient your business is run you cant make new land and we are reaching limits on vertical stacking too
Why does it fucking work in Japan?
lmao you people are in a cult

>>60550470
>parasitic class
The state is a parasitic class and you support the state
>do you want boomers to own everything even worse than it already is
It's incredible you don't realize money printing and zoning laws etc are the reason boomers have so much property.

>>60550021
>will be paid for solely by taxing the rich.
1) They're literally just going to leave
2) Even if they stayed you wouldnt have enough cash to cover the programs you want to fund. Also you're going to tax capital investment which makes workers poorer

>>60550470
>cars can be made to infinity
So can housing. Unfortuately leftists like yourself prevent the building of new units.
Read Ezra Klein Abundance and get back to me

>land on the other hand
You can densify or build up or dig down. You're retarded

An underrated aspect of socialists is that they are pro-criminal. People go on about economic harm but I would argue it's their criminal sympathies that do the worst damage. The moment a place feels unsafe, everything grinds to a halt. Business and consumption flee alike and the problem compounds. Socialists do this every time, they let criminals run wild, it's like the opposite effect of broken windows policing, they turn areas into shit and everyone of any worth leaves. Doesn't matter what the economic policy ever was, it's just pure tangible criminal decay.

If you could ever conjure up a socialist that was genuinly anti criminal, anti foreigner, you could possibly make it work, no joke. There is a reason why it's functional in East Asia, and I say this as a free market maxi. It's simply dead on arrival when you pair it up with infinity immigration and a criminal free for all.

>>60550600
>So can housing
not land, are you truly this retarded that you cant understand this rather simple concept
i also wouldnt be using japan as an example of a good housing market, expressed in area per resident per median wage it is absolutely not affordable

the rest of your insults are too low iq to reply to as you seem to fail to grasp the core of the point being made here

>>60550657
>not land
If you were smart, you would be a georgist. They aren't against landlords, but land hoarders.
Too bad you're a brain damaged leftist who supports economically illiterate policies that make the working class poorer.
>i also wouldnt be using japan as an example of a good housing market, expressed in area per resident per median wage it is absolutely not affordable
lmao then why have prices declined over the past 40 years instead of gone up
explain that
>too low iq
You are economically illiterate.

>>60549815
>credit
Is just fiat by another name
If the whole system fundamentally relies on credit, that isn't sound money. If a business owner/real estate tycoon makes a gamble on credit and defaults, whatever. If they do so with real money, that makes real losses when it goes upside down.
Free markets are a balancing act between fear and greed, remove the fear (everything past 1913) and all you are left with is just naked power/control grabs disguised as investment

>>60550617
I knew a lot of socialists and they were all "Stealing isn't bad!!" types. the hilarious part is that they complain about the rich stealing from them with no irony. If it's their business being stole from they'd instantly talk about it being "problematic". Anyone else's and it's systemic something something. I used to be a commie, and then I grew up. Listen to ain't I right by marty robbins for some /biz/ inspiration

>>60550705
BASED BASED BASED
You are 100% correct

>>60550705
incorrect even in a gold standard there is still lending to fund business endeavors and there is unequal access to capital, but i have already said that yes with a sound money system the problem is significantly less
and of course real defaults are necessarily to keep the system healthy, everything that happened in response to 2008 was a travesty

>>60550677
how do you remotely interpret me as a leftist, which economically illiterate policies do i even support, in this thread i only expressed my desire for 1 policy to favor owning over renting, which isnt economically unorthodox in that stated goal

now as to japan housing doesnt become affordable to your average wagie even if it isnt going up, its an interplay between median wages, col and average living area
for japan in particular they experienced a speculative printed yen real estate hyperbubble in the late 80s that popped with a bang, on top of that they have population decline, no immigration and the odd habit of abandoning esthetic pleasing areas to huddle together in chicken coops in tokyo and a select other cities
your average wagie lives in terrible conditions there, but besides the point as in the west where most of the posters here are from the conditions are opposite with growing population due to migration putting upwards pressure on real estate

georgism would also be hard to do in reality considering the entire system would need to be reformed from what it is now and industrial real estate is another thing entirely
my suggestion would be limited to residential and rather easy to implement from our current system, if not of course that our corrupt legislative would oppose it to keep them grifting

>>60550757
>how do you remotely interpret me as a leftist
you're using leftist theories and rhetoric
>which economically illiterate policies do i even support
claiming rent has no value and the government should destroy the concept
>to favor owning over renting,
Have you ever considered the fact that this problem is due to government intervention and not a natural result of the market
again look at japan and texas

>now as to japan housing doesnt become affordable to your average wagie even if it isnt going up,
Completely irrelevent.
Imagine if japan had american style housing policies. It would be an insane bubble and most people would be poor rentoids with a boomer class of landlords.
People in japan would be even worse off.

>>60549316 (OP)
>No factories
>Fintech doesn't need to be there
>Schools are scams and jokes you'd learn better from /lit/ and online PDFs/your libraries
>Overpriced Manhattan real estate
>Physical trade goes through nj and tariffs will slow this down

Why does NYC exist anymore? The place has no real reason to exist desu. It isn't the 17th or 19th century anymore. Photo ops for irl crypto scam events?

>>60550821
you have absolutely no idea about the things you scream loudly
any interaction with you is pointless

rent on existing properties have no value except as parasitic grifting

>>60550857
>why does New York City still exist?
for the same reason Los Angeles and Miami still exist -- because they're playgrounds for rich people

>>60550860
>rent on existing properties
friend, why did those properties come into existence in the first place?
you literally think destroying any incentive for creating new housing units wouldnt decrease the supply of housing
what an absolute fucking retard you are

Do you think everyone should be forced to buy? What if they don't want to or don't plan to live there long?

>>60549316 (OP)
>How fucked is New York economically?

I'm as MAGA as it gets and I've lived in big dark blue cities with "socialist" mayors. I can tell you with 100% certainty: NYC be completely, totally fine. In fact, very little will change. For a few reasons:

1. NYC (and big cities all over the country) has been on slow, steady decline for 2+ decades now. There's very little that can be done to noticeably improve our big cities, but the same goes for noticeably ruining them. The things it would take to get someone to admit "Yeah we fucked up, the city is a lot worse now" are never going to happen in a year, or in 5 years. It's just going to be a steady, managed decline for the rest of forever. Think of Detroit - what year was it that people were unanimously like "Oh yeah Detroit is a shithole, I'd never live there"? Probably like late 80's or mid 90's? It had been on a decline since 1950's, starting with importing a huge amount of black people. Took half a century for people to admit it.

2. NYC is too wealthy. Wealthy people find ways to stay rich, no matter who is in charge. That's why they're rich. They'll ride out the storm easily.

3. Zoran will cuck, just like AOC. He won't do HALF the things he campaigned on. In fact he probably doesn't even want to do these things. He'd be lucky to get even 3-5 of his retarded ideas implemented. He's an immigrant striver, he doesn't actually believe in anything. That's why he's here in the first place! Lots of young retards get duped by this shit every few years, and nothing ever happens.

>>60550935
This will disappoint/piss off both troons and MAGA chuds, by the way. They want so badly to get angry at something or think they'll finally be proven right - but the truth is so much more boring:

The managed decline will continue, things will very slowly & inconspicuously get worse, poor people will stay poor, nobody will admit that things got worse, and Zoran will get his DNC/dark money and fame. The end.

>>60550893
>Do you think everyone should be forced to buy?
yes thats the point
what if they dont want it anymore: sell it to the next owner, at least you got equity that way
rent is always an absolute loss to the renter they get nothing except a big money sink to their bottom line that way

and again landlords dont build houses, builders do and builders sell to owners
the incentive for builders is the demand from prospective owners not landlords
what you are doing is entirely circulair reasoning without landlords who would you pay rent to and who would build rental properties, its a parasitic middleman between builders and owners we can do away with completely as they dont add to the economy at all
i am still surprised how you interpret a very strong case for private property ownership for the masses as a leftist talking point as they generally dont like private property
and on top of this you get a much healthier real estate market this way if everyone is invested in the long term lifespan of the buildings themselves

and to add to it, this thread is about new york first rather than the world in general and in new york the vast real estate portfolio is decades old, there is no honest way you can argue rents paid today (at a giant mark up to construction costs no less) ensured that building got build. its a pure parasitic drain on the real productive economy

>>60549742
the only move is not to play.
Rational thought has been infiltrated? so stop thinking. Vibe Vote

>>60550959
>yes thats the point
that's evil and insane
many people don't want to buy, they want the freedom of not having a risk asset, yet here you are forcing it on them
>at least you got equity that way
What if there is a housing crash you bootlicking retard?
>rent is always an absolute loss to the renter
No it isn't. They got value in living in a place for a period of time in the same way someone renting a car does.
Learn what time preference is, retard.
>and again landlords dont build houses, builders do
Where do builders get the money to build you fucking retard, from landlords and developers
hahahaha holy shit
>the incentive for builders is the demand from prospective owners
or perspective renters
>what you are doing is entirely circulair reasoning
look in the mirror you communist faggot
>without landlords who would you pay rent to and who would build rental properties,
Nobody.
People would either be homeless or be forced to buy an expensive property even if they have shit credit scores and no down payment.
>parasitic middleman
You mean the state? the thing you support?
> its a parasitic middleman between builders and owners
fucking lmao
again, builders wouldnt build without capital
>and on top of this you get a much healthier real estate market this way
Every single time your ideology was tried it resulted in poverty and famine. You're an economic illiterate and a manchild.
You've never even read george which is surprising coming from someone with such views.
>if everyone is invested in the long term lifespan of the buildings themselves
So you want to force workers to have a liability they are responsible for?
How about you kill yourself instead of giving people this absolute burden they didn't ask for.
I'm literally a home owner and sometimes I wish I rented simply due to the stress of ownership.

>>60550959
>there is no honest way you can argue rents paid today (at a giant mark up to construction costs no less) ensured that building got build
The landlords in nyc from paid off units use their capital to invest in other projects, idiot.

>>60550959
Also faggot
Honestly I wouldn't mind a land value tax as a way of generating state revenue if it replaced the income tax and corporate taxes. But you're so brainwashed by literal marxist propaganda(You believe the lies about smith for one) that you dont even know what a LVT is.
Again, read George.

>>60549460
Trvke

How are you supposed to start a business when commercial real estate is so fucking expensive? How are you supposed to make money and put that money back into the economy if it all just gets scalped by some landleech?

>>60550995
>other projects
Read: buying more property

>>60550991
the only way to justify the value of rent is if the rent paid is substantial less than an equivalent mortgage, if this factor doesnt exist than rent is not an economic rational choice to make, time preference is irrelevant as the house that you own can be sold

but there is no point in arguing with someone as mentally challenged as you that somehow thinks me, who is advocating greatly enhacing the ability of the average people to be property owners, is somehow marxist because of this view
when all marxists societies abolish private property right to the state almost first

>>60550995
again circulair reasoning, without paying rents to landlords how could landlords build more rental units for me to donate my wages to
landlords do not build units
what lie about smith do i believe btw, no idea what you are meaning here i'll already assume adam smith that is

>>60550935
People don't realize when brown people run for office, they just blow socialist smoke up white liberal asses to get their votes. Their main objective is to flood the country/state/province/city with people just like them.

>Brown person runs for election by promising far left things
>white liberals and other gibsfolks all support it
>once elected, they make a half assed attempt to pass what they promised
>whooops haha it failed darn those evil corporations and far right nazis!
>ok the borders are open I'm giving free housing and food and gibs to all the refugees and immigrants who happen to be hispanic or muslim just like me

Even if this guy gets elected the most you're going to see is defunded police and more immigrants, very likely some anti-"islamophobic" bullshit as well.

>>60550991
>was tried it resulted in poverty and famine
>famine ????????
also i forgot to respond to this one
so you are now unironically suggesting that without landlords there would be famine
like really you arent trolling, you are actually saying landlords are the one thing standing back against famine like atlas lifting the world
everything i said was about residential real estate as i clearly mentioned before too, but really i am arguing with someone who thinks landlords for housing somehow creates food on a farm

even now i am still sometimes surprised by the absolute negative iq sometimes put on display on the chans
congrats on this btw you made a man who had no hope in humanity left lose even more hope in humanity

>>60551047
It's marxist because you are violating the property rights of someone

But who am I kidding this is an agit-prop thread filled with stooges

>>60549325
See he had a housing affordability plan all along

>>60551076
Really good points. The influx of more browns is part of the steady decline and probably the most noticeable part. It's actually ingenious because while it continues to make things worse, it solidifies the Democrat idpol voting bloc and shifts it further left. It also opens up avenues for new Federal funding as long as the Dems can get some Federal power back in 2026/2028.

Tammany Hall never went away, it actually just got more powerful and changed from retarded naïve Irishmen to subhuman-IQ turd worlders.

>>60551027
>Read: buying more property
Read: building more property
>>60551047
>the only way to justify the value of rent is if the rent paid is substantial less than an equivalent mortgage
Have you ever looked at affordability data on renting vs owning
renting is typically cheaper than owning
>if this factor doesnt exist than rent is not an economic rational choice to make,
Wrong, even if it is more expensive, it still makes sense if you dont want the liability, dont want to maintain the unit and want the ability to leave quickly
>that you own can be sold
What if the market is down and you're forced to sell at a loss
>mentally challenged
you're a communist who's never read george
>who is advocating greatly enhacing the ability of the average people to be property owners
lmao if you were you would be a YIMBY neoliberal TOKYO bro, but you arent

>without paying rents to landlords how could landlords build more rental units for me to donate my wages to
they wont, the amount of units per capita goes down, rent becomes more expensive
>b-b-but we will rent control
okay then there will be shortages
>what lie about smith do i believe btw
He wasn't talking about people owning small plots of land they either bought or legitimately homesteaded. He was talking about the fuedal landed gentry. People who got extremely large amounts of land from the state for free.
You're disingenuous and retarded.
>>60551082
>so you are now unironically suggesting that without landlords there would be famine
No I said it caused famine in the past. See: maoism.
>but really i am arguing with someone who thinks landlords for housing somehow creates food on a farm
There is no functional difference between someone providing literally any service like eating at a restaurant, or an escape room etc and renting a property to live. NONE!

>you made a man who had no hope in humanity left lose even more hope in humanity
You're literally a communist who has no idea who henry george and land value taxes are.

>>60551047
Also AI agrees with me.

>>60551285
>The automatic yes-man agrees with me, see!

>>60551257
I’m glad picrel landlords are building more properties. Without their hard work, we’d all live under bridges.

>>60551285
>AI agrees with me
I hope skynet kills us all.

>>60550935
Detroit is slowly getting better though and a lot of it is due to having a mayor that actually gives a shit.

>>60551639
>>60551433
>mogged by AI
what can i say?

>>60551634
who funded them, retard?

>>60551875
Rent payers.

>>60549316 (OP)
I'm beginning to believe that they sold off all the major cities to and flooded them with non-whites explicitly because they're planning a nuclear Holocaust to reset the system.

I feel a little bad for wishing that New Yorkers get every bit of socialism they vote for. Seeing them standing in line to buy their onions green and bug juice from the government grocery store, and then going "home" to their capsule hotel room would make my day. I'm not a nice person.

>>60554502

Their life is already like this lmao. I think that's part of the problem, tunnel vision. Like... just move bro. You don't have to actually live next door to Russian and Chinese billionaires and Jewish overlords.

>>60549316 (OP)
>The guy on the left is Zohran and his plans for becoming mayor is to create communal government ran grocery stores and permanently fix rent prices so they will stay flat for New Yorkers.
Austria (the state) owns most of the apartments in their country and does the same, keeping everything within reach. Basically this is a chance for New York to become actually livable. As far as I can tell only the billionaire class is against him and they're pouring money into trying to stop him from succeeding. He'll also tax them, ergo the outrage.

To be blunt the only chance America as a whole has to become a livable place is to implement policies such as those, which tax the billionaire class while keeping the taxes on the poor and average middle class people low. This is why they're screeching against him. His policies will rejuvenate NYC and breathe new life in it, and the oligarchs can't allow that to happen because their plan for the US as a whole is to make it into Russia 2.0 so if the people see that holy shit there's an alternative that actually solves problems they won't let them get away with it. For fucks sake, Trumpy is at this point selling your national parks and forests to logging companies. No lefty put those under protection, it was Theodore Roosevelt, because he wasn't a dipshit. He broke up monopolies and oligarchies despite being a jingoist for instance.

tl;dr Zohran may be the first one to finally educate you people that a better world is possible, not because he's ultra special but because he isn't an insane oligarch.

>>60549460
The reason to have community-owned groceries is due to food deserts.
The point of government is to fund things that private capital will never be able to replicate, or have no desire to enter a market that won't turn a profit. It's why UPS/FedEx will never, ever want to replace the post.

>>60549316 (OP)
Funny how the only "negative" points you can come up with for Mamdani are "h-h-hes brown and-and he's a c-c-communist..." lmao

>>60550935
>NYC be completely, totally fine
Eventually, yes. Pic rel was also NY the last time they did this shit in the 1970s.

>>60549331
How tf did you have time to make the picture and thread but literally don't know who the candidates are? Kek
>>60551090
Yeah, import 100 million 70 IQ illegals and rent to them forever after genociding the white boomers.

>>60549316 (OP)
Former NYC native who will likely move back in the near future here.

If Sliwa doesn't get elected, then I'm ironically rooting for Mamdani simply because it would be entertaining.

When it comes to things that matter (demographics, crime, corruption, affordability, the subway), Cuomo or Adams wouldn't be much better, and if anything Mamdani's more retarded proposals would likely end up getting cucked. I remember when all those cops snubbed DeBlasio, some more memeable moments like that would be nice. Furthermore, Mamdani might result in NYC's political machine coming under scrutiny.

The only way to genuinely fix NYC is through mass repatriation of nonwhites (including jews, if there are any retards ITT who think that jews are white). That's not happening regardless so who cares what flavor of cuck becomes mayor? If we have to stick with politically possible solutions, then getting serious about deporting illegals and cracking down on criminal shitbags/homeless* would do wonders for affordability. We don't need to build infinity ugly gay commieblocks and pencil towers, we need less people. I hate developers.

I think Sliwa might clutch the election. My reasoning:
>Although nominally deep blue, corporate/elite elements hold a lot of political power - Mamdani's victory was an upset, and if the establishment is pissed
>Establishment dems might try to fuck him over, elites will dump money into attack ads and supporting other candidates
>NYC experienced a slight but noticeable "red shift" during the 2024 presidential election
>This is an oversimplification, but the democratic base is fractured between the "communist shitskin" and "boomer jew" factions
>Boomers, jews, and boomer jews aren't going to vote for a brown islamic gommunist en masse
>Cuomo and Adams are running as independents

>>60558315
*we should put all the homeless on a bus to Philadelphia

>>60549420
>Lived in Yugoslavia
Any stories? My dad went there in the 70s.

>>60550011
Wasted digits. 85IQ shitskins will consistently vote for whoever offers more gibs, and NYC is a lot browner than it was back then.

>>60550570
Probably due to having a stagnant/declining population.

>>60549316 (OP)
Vote for Curtis Sliwa. He at least gives a shit about you stupid animals. Or if you can't stomach voting for a Republican, at least Adams isn't a complete fucking idiot.

>>60549460
>If prices are inflated there due to cartelization
They aren't, the main problem in NYC is theft.
>>60554593
>The reason to have community-owned groceries is due to food deserts.
The "food deserts" that are caused by the local niggers robbing stores until they go out of business?
>The point of government is to fund things that private capital will never be able to replicate
Seems like private capital does a great job at replicating grocery stores, everywhere except shitholes like NYC that protect their local feral population at the expense of everyone else.

>>60550617
Excellent points all around. It should also be noted that being pro-criminal arguably increases the cost of housing, as what would otherwise be just an undesirable neighborhood is now completely unlivable. Of course with safety comes gentrification and increased prices, so I might be self-pwning.
>If you could ever conjure up a socialist that was genuinely anti criminal, anti foreigner, you could possibly make it work, no joke.
Yes, and it worked so well that it took the combined efforts of the United States, British Empire, and ussr to take them down.

>>60554553
He's not an oligarch, but Zohran isn't a European social democrat. He's a third worlder. We can't have nice things like you do in Austria because we don't have your demographics. I still agree with taxing the elites but you have a simplified view of the problem.

>>60554593
>food deserts
Literally a myth

>>60558315
jews have lived there longer than most whites have

>>60558547
Don't care. Jews have done irreversible damage to my city, nation, and Western Civilization at large, and you people deserve to be expelled.

Socialism fucks up everything they touch.
Will put money aside to buy in SOHO after the NY tax base collapses and Manhattan becomes a giant failing San Francisco.

>>60559850
Same lmao, I'm thinking more Park Slope, Dumbo, or Carroll Gardens so that I can take advantage of the 2040s hipster revival.

>>60559850
That newspaper headline isn't even just socialism. It's ethno-nationalism for ethnic groups against whites. Every single ethnic group is a far-right nationalist for their own ethnicity EXCEPT whites.

>>60560721
H'yep. That sums up why multi-ethnic societies can't have nice things like in Europe, it eventually just degrades into "free shit for minorities".

>>60558489
*third world grifter

>>60549460
I hate commie shit, but there should have been a law that limits home ownership to one per family and never allow any loopholes or kike work arounds. Banks and corporations should have never been allowed to own residential homes either.

Government run grocery stores or government supply chains will always be the most inefficient and worst trash possible. The only thing I agree with is the government subsidizing the food supply chain because the food supply shouldn't be subjected to highs and lows and needs to remain stable. That definitely doesn't mean billions of dollars in fucking corn and almond subsidies

>>60551257
>land value tax
this. it's just incredibly sad how people don't even now about it, even though it would solve many problems of our society kinda like a panacea. heck, i didn't learn about it in econ uni because somehow it's juts outside of the mainstream curriculum. i tend to believe that this is an actual conspiracy since rent-seekers in general and landlords in particular control the narrative via bribing politicians and academics alike. the fact that most countries do not meaningfully tax rent-seeking activities is the main driving force behind the productivity-wage gap. imho an LVT should replace personal income taxes and property taxes entirely.

>>60549316 (OP)
i think it's just gonna be underwater in 30 years so pretty fucked but it'll be a slow fade and people will find other ways of life, better ways even

I made this thread can people stop responding to it so i can start shitposting? Im limited to 5 threads at a time

>>60549460
The rent stabilization you have in your head is not what he’ll actually do.
Zohran isn’t an outsider, he’s part of the club just beta testing the spicier hot-takes for the DNC.
His “Stabilization” plan will just be a grift that pockets 90% of the money. Just like the biden infrastructure bill.

>>60562427
no

>>60562445
New topic, is donating at all a scam?

>>60549316 (OP)
Don’t worry, the rich get richer.

>>60562456
Yes but it also usually does some amount of good.

>>60562427
It's my thread now OP, kiss my ass.

>>60562466
New schizopost just dropped:
>Mamdani gets elected
>Property values drop due to the tax base fleeing+more crime
>Property values drop
>kikes/blackrock/etc buy them up at a discount
>Establishment brings out someone who unfucks the city again and said kikes reap the profits

>>60562471
90% of them only benefit the organization versus the 10% they actually use those donations for what theyre meant for

>>60549316 (OP)
I'm a Brooklynfag who considers himself pretty far right but still supports Zohran. He triggers the tribe, so that alone makes him worth supporting.

>>60550016
Yeah, if it's not a bomb going off in Midtown, it will probably be a cyberattack. I stocked up on water, since this could literally happen any day now.

>>60562527
How far right are we talking and what neighborhood if you don't mind me asking?

Anyway anons, I'm fixated on Zohran's grocery store proposal. Why not just lower the threshold for SNAP eligibility and/or increase the amount available? I guess that'd just cause grocery stores to increase their prices due to the increased money supply or something. Why not just have a program that buys staples for food banks or something? It just seems like an awkward idea.

>>60562527
People from california sure do shill alot on new yorkers lets not forget cali is shifting off from the entire US. One more earthquake you might be your own entity. Homelessness is the highest in the country in los angeles. Be more aware.

>>60557825
Anon… they were already genocided when their cum went from milk to powder

>>60549815
>sound money
>credit
yeah, no.

>>60562527
Can the Big Apple stop catching strays from DC's malfeasance?

>>60562456
The internet is a series of tubes

Life is a series of scams

there are a few stages of every democrat run communist city

abundance - we're doing well, we do stuff with other peoples money
welfare - creates dependence and discourages productivity
decline - punish makers to try and fund more takes
collapse - produces start leaving

most blue cities are in collapse today and will never recover.

>>60564567
>Muh democrats
Jeez, surely it can't be any other reason...

>>60549316 (OP)
If it were me I’d put NYC under martial law and start the executions

Mamdanin is unironically "conservative"

>>60550617
Yes, that kind of socialist is called a fascist

>>60564567
>most blue cities are in collapse today and will never recover.
What do you see as Denver Colorado's future?
I lived there 2018-21 before moving to southeast asia.
Would consider living there when I move back as I've got a few friends there and know the area.

I feel it could go either way. Colorado population pre 2015 and definitely pre 2000 seem pretty moderate. a truly purple-ish state back in the day seemingly.
but west coasters are absolutely flooding in and denver is a Reddit darling, although it is getting expensive af for their poor asses now lol.

it's very white, but with a heavy dose of latin immigrants. make no mistake: whites control the $ though and own the houses mostly.
it's ultimately just a very very wealthy suburbia with weed and muh mountain.


Aside from that, what is a red city worth moving to that isn't packed with retards? or is the play just move to small town red/purple state for USA life?

>>60550570
>Why does Japan have tons of landlords but CHEAP rent?
is it cheap in tokyo for the locals?
housing seemed shit in the cities, but I was a gaijin on a visit. I was around longer than a week but less than 3 months.

Seemed plenty expensive (not for me; for locals) aside from the areas with zero jobs out in the countryside

>>60550857
>Photo ops for irl crypto scam events?
literally this
>>60550873
>because they're playgrounds for rich people
and this

and there are a few industries heavily centered around NYC: anything wall street/big finance and most of "big law".

Aside from those, it's also where (rich) highly formally educated people congregate, so you do get high amounts of human capital there.

If you go to cleveland ohio, it's not a bunch of /lit/ readers and self taught engineers lol. it's gambling addicted boomers and layabout nigs

>>60562840
>Zohran's grocery store proposal
This was also discussed in Chicago.
Dumb socialists can't figure out your store won't work if you don't prosecute shoplifters or protect businesses. Hell I'll loot the NY Commie Grocery stores myself because Orange Man Bad and am outraged about Elon or whatever the next thing is.

All i know is that Zohran Mamdani terrifies all the white rich people.

You don't mess with the Zohran.

>>60550617
this anon gets it

>>60550617
you described "fascism" in a way

>>60567976

Chinese socialism looks a lot like fascism doesn't it. It's almost like "criminal sympathies" are the entire point for the other version of socialists and why they're so nefarious. It isn't from a place of goodwill, rather hate for the orderly.

>>60550757
>incorrect even in a gold standard there is still lending to fund business endeavors and there is unequal access to capital
gold standard isn't sound money
bitcoin + DeFi is because you can't gatekeep access to capital
also, on a truly sound monetary system, credit has real risk and is executed autonomously, meaning no bailouts, collateral is used in dutch auction without need for human intervention

>>60551433
>automatic yes-man
ask the same question yourself then
better yet, ask if the opposite is true, see if you get an "yes-man" lol

>>60550957
Hear Hear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PSC_uJacp78

>>60567831True he gets it

>>60549316 (OP)
The greatest city