Anonymous
ID: DVNRgiqy
6/30/2025, 5:54:09 AM No.60563124
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Why is housing so fucking expensive? - /biz/ (#60563124) [Archived: 768 hours ago]
Anonymous
ID: sAsypbcR
6/30/2025, 6:00:07 AM No.60563144
boomers and their nimby bullshit
Anonymous
ID: HrQ+OR1p
6/30/2025, 6:03:47 AM No.60563151
>>60563124 (OP)
I work in construction. We could build 50k units in a year if we want but that eats into our profits so we build 5k a year to keep supply low.
I work in construction. We could build 50k units in a year if we want but that eats into our profits so we build 5k a year to keep supply low.
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Anonymous
ID: 0FjAzykR
6/30/2025, 6:14:20 AM No.60563172
>>60563124 (OP)
because you touch yourself at night.
because you touch yourself at night.
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Anonymous
ID: QIN7A7eC
6/30/2025, 6:14:47 AM No.60563174
>>60563172
This.
This.
Anonymous
ID: 6Aldi6/0
6/30/2025, 6:15:52 AM No.60563179
>>60563124 (OP)
Asymmetric warfare waged by elites against their own populations. Housing is weaponized now.
Asymmetric warfare waged by elites against their own populations. Housing is weaponized now.
Anonymous
ID: 0z5pgXdY
6/30/2025, 6:16:21 AM No.60563182
>>60563124 (OP)
house prices are lower than they've ever been
house prices are lower than they've ever been
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Anonymous
ID: hM9Ex1Jb
6/30/2025, 6:16:39 AM No.60563183
>>60563124 (OP)
There are 8 billion people on this planet.
>>60563151
Do not tell the goyim industry secrets. More luxury apartments in dying midwest towns.
There are 8 billion people on this planet.
>>60563151
Do not tell the goyim industry secrets. More luxury apartments in dying midwest towns.
Anonymous
ID: hM9Ex1Jb
6/30/2025, 6:17:40 AM No.60563187
>>60563182
That's pending house sales, not prices.
That's pending house sales, not prices.
Anonymous
ID: Av0+Qmuk
6/30/2025, 7:43:17 AM No.60563349
Owning housing has always been expensive and out of reach for commoners. The middle class boom of the mid 20th century was a total fluke because governments had to combat the rise of communism. The elites were incentivized to build a lot of cheap housing (to their chagrin). Now we're just reverting back to the norm which is why you see socialists like mamdani winning elections now.
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Anonymous
ID: dIeZ373y
6/30/2025, 7:55:40 AM No.60563368
>>60563124 (OP)
because you now have to compete with third worlders for that same house.
because you now have to compete with third worlders for that same house.
Anonymous
ID: VuK0FQf2
6/30/2025, 7:59:12 AM No.60563374
>>60563349
Oy Vey
Oy Vey
Anonymous
ID: GLBo6jes
6/30/2025, 8:05:25 AM No.60563383
>>60563124 (OP)
Leftist economic policies
Leftist economic policies
Anonymous
ID: /owOQaFF
6/30/2025, 8:06:36 AM No.60563390
>>60563349
Well you got one thing right they made really cheap houses back then. They still could but too many regulations now.
Well you got one thing right they made really cheap houses back then. They still could but too many regulations now.
Anonymous
ID: OesVoKO1
6/30/2025, 8:27:58 AM No.60563430
>>60563124 (OP)
Stop asking antisemitic questions.
Stop asking antisemitic questions.
Anonymous
ID: wQGtkXKF
6/30/2025, 8:46:19 AM No.60563462
>>60563124 (OP)
Leaf here, on top of the nimbies, builders only making shitty condos, over regulation for building, under regulation and lack of enforcement for fake income/mortgages, mass immigration is the ultimate fuck you that has destroyed everything.
It's now common place to see 5 different families from india, uncles, aunts, grandparents, cousins, all pooling their money together to outbid local salaries and then all living in one single 3bedroom house with 5 cars in the driveway.
The other thing we see is the equivalent of boarding houses by new immigrate landlords who lie about their income to get a mortgage, then they buy a house, then every bedroom gets divided into 3 with shitty drywall, so a 3bedroom becomes a 12 bedroom, and these slums are rented out for $500/mo for a room, so the owner can afford their fraudulent mortgage.
Not to mention literally anyone can come here under an education visa from a diploma mill and work, and they get government subsidized wages so they're cheaper to hire than Canadians, we end up in a situation with extremely high youth unemployment rates where nobody can afford to move out of their parents.
The country has been sold out from under us, all for what? To prop up a shitty housing market that has been overpriced for decades, meanwhile everything else stagnates because there's no reason to invest in anything here because housing grows faster than anything else, and every physical business has a very high burn rate from day 1 because of the high rates on real estate that it's difficult to turn a profit doing something productive.
It's always so tempting to write it off as greed or incompetence but this is by design. The only explanation offered up is
>we need people to pay for boomer entitlements
which doesn't follow because eventually we'll have to pay for these immigrant entitlements, and we could easily cut billions in tax from reworking EI, GIS, and OAS into a more fair manner where rich boomers don't just get free money
Leaf here, on top of the nimbies, builders only making shitty condos, over regulation for building, under regulation and lack of enforcement for fake income/mortgages, mass immigration is the ultimate fuck you that has destroyed everything.
It's now common place to see 5 different families from india, uncles, aunts, grandparents, cousins, all pooling their money together to outbid local salaries and then all living in one single 3bedroom house with 5 cars in the driveway.
The other thing we see is the equivalent of boarding houses by new immigrate landlords who lie about their income to get a mortgage, then they buy a house, then every bedroom gets divided into 3 with shitty drywall, so a 3bedroom becomes a 12 bedroom, and these slums are rented out for $500/mo for a room, so the owner can afford their fraudulent mortgage.
Not to mention literally anyone can come here under an education visa from a diploma mill and work, and they get government subsidized wages so they're cheaper to hire than Canadians, we end up in a situation with extremely high youth unemployment rates where nobody can afford to move out of their parents.
The country has been sold out from under us, all for what? To prop up a shitty housing market that has been overpriced for decades, meanwhile everything else stagnates because there's no reason to invest in anything here because housing grows faster than anything else, and every physical business has a very high burn rate from day 1 because of the high rates on real estate that it's difficult to turn a profit doing something productive.
It's always so tempting to write it off as greed or incompetence but this is by design. The only explanation offered up is
>we need people to pay for boomer entitlements
which doesn't follow because eventually we'll have to pay for these immigrant entitlements, and we could easily cut billions in tax from reworking EI, GIS, and OAS into a more fair manner where rich boomers don't just get free money
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Anonymous
ID: k2Qe1K8/
6/30/2025, 9:37:52 AM No.60563551
>>60563124 (OP)
Idk I live with my mom
Idk I live with my mom
Anonymous
ID: pSQBghbt
6/30/2025, 10:02:25 AM No.60563595
>>60563462
Big wall of text describing what everybody knows. Now how to change this would be something that's less well known or clear. Boomers will die off eventually and immigrants will experience declining fertility once assimilated into first world society. People can vote in socialists that try to end rent seeking behavior and the effect of AI and automation may be that new housing becomes cheaper because labor becomes cheaper.
Big wall of text describing what everybody knows. Now how to change this would be something that's less well known or clear. Boomers will die off eventually and immigrants will experience declining fertility once assimilated into first world society. People can vote in socialists that try to end rent seeking behavior and the effect of AI and automation may be that new housing becomes cheaper because labor becomes cheaper.
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Anonymous
ID: dIeZ373y
6/30/2025, 10:13:22 AM No.60563610
>>60563595
plenty are not assimilating, big hopium to assume they will stop pumping out turds.
we have to go backwards (aka maga). government hasn't even pretended to focus on their own populace in decades.
plenty are not assimilating, big hopium to assume they will stop pumping out turds.
we have to go backwards (aka maga). government hasn't even pretended to focus on their own populace in decades.
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Anonymous
ID: RpzLYM4l
6/30/2025, 10:31:25 AM No.60563634
>>60563124 (OP)
Because too many millenials and zoomers want high paying comfy office jobs, not building houses
Because too many millenials and zoomers want high paying comfy office jobs, not building houses
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Anonymous
ID: uECk+n3c
6/30/2025, 1:10:44 PM No.60563927
>>60563182
>house prices are lower than they've ever been
>>60563182
>That's pending house sales, not prices.
right. owners are not budging on price very much. they're just taking it off market if their teeny price cut doesn't work.
picrel is a 10,000sqft church in sandusky ohio and not a single family home, but it's something I eyed on zillow for a while lol. current estimated value is 908k.
idk who is going to have the liquidity to want to do a deal even at that level in a place where you definitely aren't getting a job.
>>60563124 (OP)
>Why is housing so fucking expensive?
Lots of reasons.
Part of it is that "housing isn't that expensive. you (and I) just poor. While Boomers had it best, USA housing is still affordable compared to what many other countries face, developed or not. It probably doesn't help that many anons either can't attract or maintain/mutually desire a relationship to split the cost of housing with.
That said, the deal is supposed to be I get fucked on housing price because I get the good jobs. If those go away, the whole deal collapses.
>house prices are lower than they've ever been
>>60563182
>That's pending house sales, not prices.
right. owners are not budging on price very much. they're just taking it off market if their teeny price cut doesn't work.
picrel is a 10,000sqft church in sandusky ohio and not a single family home, but it's something I eyed on zillow for a while lol. current estimated value is 908k.
idk who is going to have the liquidity to want to do a deal even at that level in a place where you definitely aren't getting a job.
>>60563124 (OP)
>Why is housing so fucking expensive?
Lots of reasons.
Part of it is that "housing isn't that expensive. you (and I) just poor. While Boomers had it best, USA housing is still affordable compared to what many other countries face, developed or not. It probably doesn't help that many anons either can't attract or maintain/mutually desire a relationship to split the cost of housing with.
That said, the deal is supposed to be I get fucked on housing price because I get the good jobs. If those go away, the whole deal collapses.
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Anonymous
ID: uECk+n3c
6/30/2025, 1:51:53 PM No.60564022
>>60563634
>Because too many millenials and zoomers want high paying comfy office jobs, not building houses
is that really it though? is it that we don't have enough labor to build houses that are otherwise financed, have land they can go on, etc?
>>60563151
>I work in construction. We could build 50k units in a year if we want but that eats into our profits so we build 5k a year to keep supply low.
this anon works in the field and says they are decimating (literally 10%ing) their potential output to get a higher price per unit
>Because too many millenials and zoomers want high paying comfy office jobs, not building houses
is that really it though? is it that we don't have enough labor to build houses that are otherwise financed, have land they can go on, etc?
>>60563151
>I work in construction. We could build 50k units in a year if we want but that eats into our profits so we build 5k a year to keep supply low.
this anon works in the field and says they are decimating (literally 10%ing) their potential output to get a higher price per unit
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Anonymous
ID: nIp3VSAa
6/30/2025, 2:42:10 PM No.60564139
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Anonymous
ID: WK9ZuFJk
6/30/2025, 2:48:02 PM No.60564147
>>60564138
it's mostly excess credit availability and excess money supply. just look at my flyover hometown as an example. the population goes down a few percent every year and the pool of livable wage jobs slowly dries up due to automation, yet housing has inflated out of control relative to the 1990s and especially relative to the pre-scamdemic period.
it's mostly excess credit availability and excess money supply. just look at my flyover hometown as an example. the population goes down a few percent every year and the pool of livable wage jobs slowly dries up due to automation, yet housing has inflated out of control relative to the 1990s and especially relative to the pre-scamdemic period.
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Anonymous
ID: nIp3VSAa
6/30/2025, 2:57:30 PM No.60564162
>>60564147
Nope. Zoning laws artificially restrict the amount of land available for building new homes which raises the price of the land, which in turn makes it less attractive for the developer to build inexpensive homes on those lots. There's no point building a $150k home on a lot that costs $500k, and even less point flooding the market with $500k homes on $500k lots that will sit unsold for years due to excess inventory.
Nope. Zoning laws artificially restrict the amount of land available for building new homes which raises the price of the land, which in turn makes it less attractive for the developer to build inexpensive homes on those lots. There's no point building a $150k home on a lot that costs $500k, and even less point flooding the market with $500k homes on $500k lots that will sit unsold for years due to excess inventory.
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Anonymous
ID: uECk+n3c
6/30/2025, 2:57:48 PM No.60564163
>>60564139
>that's not what decimating means though.
ah thanks for pointing that out. 90%ing it would be decimating. what builders are doing is much worse than the correct definition. 50k units instead of 5k, because hey you NEED one
>that's not what decimating means though.
ah thanks for pointing that out. 90%ing it would be decimating. what builders are doing is much worse than the correct definition. 50k units instead of 5k, because hey you NEED one
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Anonymous
ID: WK9ZuFJk
6/30/2025, 3:00:32 PM No.60564171
>>60564162
>no it's muh zoning
explain to me how supply can be limited in an area where the population has declined YoY every year for the past 4 decades. also this is in an area with EXTREMELY lax zoning regulations.
>no it's muh zoning
explain to me how supply can be limited in an area where the population has declined YoY every year for the past 4 decades. also this is in an area with EXTREMELY lax zoning regulations.
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Anonymous
ID: 17yKrR27
6/30/2025, 3:06:35 PM No.60564189
artificial scarcity due to overloaded zoning/housing/building regulations
artificial demand due to subsidy through the government/HUD, artificially low mortgage rates
In a real world where the government never intervened, builders are free to build rapidly to keep pace with demand (like you see in TX/FL), mortgage rates never dropped below 10%, the gov never handed out free credit to millions of niggers, and your house is about 60% cheaper
artificial demand due to subsidy through the government/HUD, artificially low mortgage rates
In a real world where the government never intervened, builders are free to build rapidly to keep pace with demand (like you see in TX/FL), mortgage rates never dropped below 10%, the gov never handed out free credit to millions of niggers, and your house is about 60% cheaper
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Anonymous
ID: ibBDKxRn
6/30/2025, 3:50:38 PM No.60564332
>>60564189
We don't want urban sprawl everywhere you god-forsaken American
We don't want urban sprawl everywhere you god-forsaken American
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Anonymous
ID: ec1IqDIZ
6/30/2025, 3:54:55 PM No.60564347
>>60563151
>>60564022
>>60564163
They need two work days to install a toilet. If that was automotive, a robot would strap it onto a standardized module in five seconds, now available in five different interior stylings.
The whole module would click in place in the house, pipes, cables and all, and your butt would never get splooshed.
>>60564022
>>60564163
They need two work days to install a toilet. If that was automotive, a robot would strap it onto a standardized module in five seconds, now available in five different interior stylings.
The whole module would click in place in the house, pipes, cables and all, and your butt would never get splooshed.
Anonymous
ID: 17yKrR27
6/30/2025, 3:56:57 PM No.60564358
Anonymous
ID: ec1IqDIZ
6/30/2025, 3:59:45 PM No.60564367
>>60563927
>It probably doesn't help that many anons either can't attract or maintain/mutually desire a relationship to split the cost of housing with Even the normie statistics are grim. Strangely, I could never attract the fives, but the 10s flocked to me like I was Gigachad Thundercock. But defending them in a vibrant society is very tiresome, and dangerous, knives and lawyers and activists and such, I gave it up in 2012, best financial decision ever.
>It probably doesn't help that many anons either can't attract or maintain/mutually desire a relationship to split the cost of housing with Even the normie statistics are grim. Strangely, I could never attract the fives, but the 10s flocked to me like I was Gigachad Thundercock. But defending them in a vibrant society is very tiresome, and dangerous, knives and lawyers and activists and such, I gave it up in 2012, best financial decision ever.
Anonymous
ID: eML1d7tc
6/30/2025, 4:14:55 PM No.60564448
Dont have a bf to tell that too so tell socia media lmao nobody gives a fuck what you opened.
Anonymous
ID: cNEGZx3a
6/30/2025, 4:20:19 PM No.60564469
Housing is undervalued relative to inflation.
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Anonymous
ID: ec1IqDIZ
6/30/2025, 4:21:43 PM No.60564477
>>60564469
but it's completely overvalued compared to tech products sold at similar scales.
but it's completely overvalued compared to tech products sold at similar scales.
Anonymous
ID: R7i19kEU
6/30/2025, 4:23:05 PM No.60564482
Jews. Next question.
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Anonymous
ID: cNEGZx3a
6/30/2025, 4:23:51 PM No.60564483
>>60564482
You mean the people that everyone loves?
You mean the people that everyone loves?
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Anonymous
ID: tCDnj44W
6/30/2025, 4:29:51 PM No.60564508
>>60563610
>we have to go backwards (aka maga)
This country is progressively getting worse with every new president, and it started way before either of us were born. The only way “maga” will happen is by doing a complete reset, nazi germany style. That can’t happen until we have a total collapse because the country is too kiked atm
>we have to go backwards (aka maga)
This country is progressively getting worse with every new president, and it started way before either of us were born. The only way “maga” will happen is by doing a complete reset, nazi germany style. That can’t happen until we have a total collapse because the country is too kiked atm
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Anonymous
ID: M1xlh9Vp
6/30/2025, 4:56:27 PM No.60564607
>import 50 million third worlders, demand spikes
>land is all used up, refuse to build houses in whats left
gee i wonder why the fuck prices sky rocketed over the last 5 years?
>land is all used up, refuse to build houses in whats left
gee i wonder why the fuck prices sky rocketed over the last 5 years?
Anonymous
ID: MYHRDwws
6/30/2025, 5:05:19 PM No.60564628
Speculation on the value instead of people actually fucking living in them.
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Anonymous
ID: uECk+n3c
6/30/2025, 6:31:59 PM No.60564896
>>60564628
>Speculation on the value instead of people actually fucking living in them.
this is another big one.
without internet-assisted remote landlording, I doubt my sister would be a Phd student
>>60564508
>This country is progressively getting worse with every new president, and it started way before either of us were born.
I'm 32. Which president would you reckon it started with? would love a president by president 1 liner summary of their enshittification season.
Not only am I 1993 born, but I grew up in a 30,000 person 95% white Ohio hometown, so we were fairly insulated from a lot of the social decline, especially in the pre-smartphone days. We of course had the rust belt economic decline. I managed to eek out my own little path, but i literally had to get straight As high school -> top 10 university CS degree -> job hop maxx every 2 years, + go hard on ethereum in 2019 just to basically afford a house. I have a nice house in cash right now ($1.2m), but you'd honestly expect a lot more. a plumber that picked up 2-3 houses in seattle in the 70s probably mogs me to oblivion.
>he only way “maga” will happen is by doing a complete reset, nazi germany style. That can’t happen until we have a total collapse because the country is too kiked atm
There's lot to say here, no doubt. The more the country does things like not only let in a ton of non-integrating immigrants, but allowing them to breed in the US and they all get further disconnected from a homeland. *reveral gets tougher to do with just a law* or a "please". same thing with the economic inequality stuff. what are people going to do? Have boomers relinguish everything except houses 1-3 in their portfolios or deflate the economy? it's painful.
I knew about the phrase "taking on debt your kids would have to repay" when growing up or in college, but never grasped the extend that Boomer economics/politics would really go. They will seemingly rip your eyes out so that they don't lose a finger.
>Speculation on the value instead of people actually fucking living in them.
this is another big one.
without internet-assisted remote landlording, I doubt my sister would be a Phd student
>>60564508
>This country is progressively getting worse with every new president, and it started way before either of us were born.
I'm 32. Which president would you reckon it started with? would love a president by president 1 liner summary of their enshittification season.
Not only am I 1993 born, but I grew up in a 30,000 person 95% white Ohio hometown, so we were fairly insulated from a lot of the social decline, especially in the pre-smartphone days. We of course had the rust belt economic decline. I managed to eek out my own little path, but i literally had to get straight As high school -> top 10 university CS degree -> job hop maxx every 2 years, + go hard on ethereum in 2019 just to basically afford a house. I have a nice house in cash right now ($1.2m), but you'd honestly expect a lot more. a plumber that picked up 2-3 houses in seattle in the 70s probably mogs me to oblivion.
>he only way “maga” will happen is by doing a complete reset, nazi germany style. That can’t happen until we have a total collapse because the country is too kiked atm
There's lot to say here, no doubt. The more the country does things like not only let in a ton of non-integrating immigrants, but allowing them to breed in the US and they all get further disconnected from a homeland. *reveral gets tougher to do with just a law* or a "please". same thing with the economic inequality stuff. what are people going to do? Have boomers relinguish everything except houses 1-3 in their portfolios or deflate the economy? it's painful.
I knew about the phrase "taking on debt your kids would have to repay" when growing up or in college, but never grasped the extend that Boomer economics/politics would really go. They will seemingly rip your eyes out so that they don't lose a finger.
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Anonymous
ID: WK9ZuFJk
6/30/2025, 6:36:52 PM No.60564919
>>60564469
>>60564913
although i would be more interested to see M2 money supply vs something that accounts for residential home @ prevailing mortgage rate.
>>60564913
although i would be more interested to see M2 money supply vs something that accounts for residential home @ prevailing mortgage rate.
Anonymous
ID: uECk+n3c
6/30/2025, 6:43:50 PM No.60564943
>>60564896
(cont)
speaking of USA housing though. I've been fucking around in SEA since the end of last bullrun. Considering coming back to USA w/a filipina wife (she's broke but no debt). Where would y'all settle (at first) if you had say a....$400-800k cash budget for housing and were used to earning ~$200k/yr?
I'm thinking my hometown Ohio area or general Midwest would be the drop dead easy financial life choice, but weaker for network. Orange county california, I'm not quite well-off enough to have the house I'd want without a mortgage. Denver would be sort of the max stretch for me. Seattle is just super gay even if it's nice for jobs. I'll admit I prefer a legal dudeWeed state.
Other random shit....
I have one of my better hometown friends in Dallas TX
Main adult friend circle and exp in Denver.
I would know people from my hometown that migrated to seattle. 2-3 couples. 1 college friend too, but seattle is still very gay. I like that people are willing to play tabletop games tho.
Sister+husband in durham, NC. it'd be like a cheaper denver type thing, but warmer and less mountains.
Mom is a narcissist, so don't care too much about being close to parents in OH, but OH is where I literally grew up and spent 18 years of life. It's familiar to say the least.
There's some anon that recently moved to Fargo and made it sound nice for living as a part time expat with low pressure back home.
Profession: I'm a software engineer (site reliability), but wish I could do something else without make 1/5 the pay lol. For big switches, I could see law school or becoming a therapist. would eat shit for ~2-3 years. For small switch, product/program management. basically, non-tech tech roles. laz
I don't ski, but I do ride motorcycles. I used to enjoy the occasional NBA game, so thought if I returned to USA I'd tap into that, but it's sort of boring these days. would rather just play myself.
(cont)
speaking of USA housing though. I've been fucking around in SEA since the end of last bullrun. Considering coming back to USA w/a filipina wife (she's broke but no debt). Where would y'all settle (at first) if you had say a....$400-800k cash budget for housing and were used to earning ~$200k/yr?
I'm thinking my hometown Ohio area or general Midwest would be the drop dead easy financial life choice, but weaker for network. Orange county california, I'm not quite well-off enough to have the house I'd want without a mortgage. Denver would be sort of the max stretch for me. Seattle is just super gay even if it's nice for jobs. I'll admit I prefer a legal dudeWeed state.
Other random shit....
I have one of my better hometown friends in Dallas TX
Main adult friend circle and exp in Denver.
I would know people from my hometown that migrated to seattle. 2-3 couples. 1 college friend too, but seattle is still very gay. I like that people are willing to play tabletop games tho.
Sister+husband in durham, NC. it'd be like a cheaper denver type thing, but warmer and less mountains.
Mom is a narcissist, so don't care too much about being close to parents in OH, but OH is where I literally grew up and spent 18 years of life. It's familiar to say the least.
There's some anon that recently moved to Fargo and made it sound nice for living as a part time expat with low pressure back home.
Profession: I'm a software engineer (site reliability), but wish I could do something else without make 1/5 the pay lol. For big switches, I could see law school or becoming a therapist. would eat shit for ~2-3 years. For small switch, product/program management. basically, non-tech tech roles. laz
I don't ski, but I do ride motorcycles. I used to enjoy the occasional NBA game, so thought if I returned to USA I'd tap into that, but it's sort of boring these days. would rather just play myself.
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Anonymous
ID: feoHgrOG
6/30/2025, 6:52:26 PM No.60564970
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Anonymous
ID: wQGtkXKF
6/30/2025, 7:16:31 PM No.60565048
>>60564896
>Which president would you reckon it started with?
idk presidents but the short of it is it started with central banking on jekyll island in 1910, the female vote in 1920, the hart-cellar act of 1965, no fault divorce starting in california in 1969 until it was implemented in all states by 2010.
The long version is it started 2000 years ago when Hadrian sacked Judaea and renamed it to Syria Palaestina, and there's been a blood feud ever since.
>>60564943
>Considering coming back to USA w/a filipina wife (she's broke but no debt).
This sounds like a terrible idea. Divorce laws are fucked in the US, and you'll be elevating her sexual marketplace value by placing her in a 1st world country and reducing your own by giving her access to thousands of other guys that are better looking, are cooler, and make more money than you. This is a situation where she gets half of everything if she cheats and finds another man.
Maybe you love each other and she has no intention of cheating but people change. Familiarity breeds contempt. Most marriages end in divorce and 70% are initiated by women.
Imagine if every day someone offered her 600k to break up with you, how long until she's had enough? How long would she stay? Horrible horrible plan.
IMO just stay in SEA, you can enjoy a comfortable retirement on 1.2m with your girl. If you really want to keep working there's probably remote roles you'd be able to find, and you'd have time to build up your skills.
>Which president would you reckon it started with?
idk presidents but the short of it is it started with central banking on jekyll island in 1910, the female vote in 1920, the hart-cellar act of 1965, no fault divorce starting in california in 1969 until it was implemented in all states by 2010.
The long version is it started 2000 years ago when Hadrian sacked Judaea and renamed it to Syria Palaestina, and there's been a blood feud ever since.
>>60564943
>Considering coming back to USA w/a filipina wife (she's broke but no debt).
This sounds like a terrible idea. Divorce laws are fucked in the US, and you'll be elevating her sexual marketplace value by placing her in a 1st world country and reducing your own by giving her access to thousands of other guys that are better looking, are cooler, and make more money than you. This is a situation where she gets half of everything if she cheats and finds another man.
Maybe you love each other and she has no intention of cheating but people change. Familiarity breeds contempt. Most marriages end in divorce and 70% are initiated by women.
Imagine if every day someone offered her 600k to break up with you, how long until she's had enough? How long would she stay? Horrible horrible plan.
IMO just stay in SEA, you can enjoy a comfortable retirement on 1.2m with your girl. If you really want to keep working there's probably remote roles you'd be able to find, and you'd have time to build up your skills.
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Anonymous
ID: uECk+n3c
6/30/2025, 7:48:28 PM No.60565204
>>60564970
>LOL good luck
our school in my hometown had a few adopted asians, a viet family or two, a chinese family or 3, but I get what you're saying. Have you been to smaller town Ohio? Our kids would pretty much be raised american, so would be just like the adopted koreanones w/an Italian last name lol. I think it's tougher to be from a full viet family that's doing all viet thigs in suburban ohio. they really stuck to their own.
but if not Ohio, where?
>>60565048
>This sounds like a terrible idea. Divorce laws are fucked in the US, and you'll be elevating her sexual marketplace value by placing her in
I don't mean to be overly dismissive, but you can spare me the MGTOW PhD lecture. I say this as someone who had a grandfather whose filipina wife left him, but their age gap was literally 30yr. he was a granpa and she was a late 20s/early 30s woman.
My buddy out here is also giga redpilled on anything good ever happening to anyone ever or ceding any control or leverage in any situation. I get it, but I've seen plenty of couples (many girls I hooked up with) move back to USA/Europe just fine. You just gotta pick right and trust your conviction.
>Most marriages end in divorce and 70% are initiated by women.
% is much less for middle class, religious , first time marriage. It's really not a coin flip. each side is bringing their behavior to the equation every day. My entire hometown circle is in intact relationships or marriages, despite USA relational stats being down. A lot of the chaos is allocated to the lower classes as well as the upper upper classes.
I would mainly be coming back to USA so our children receive much better education, network and opportunities. And I'm willing to risk money for that. I've got plenty of time to grind another 600k. Would I miss the 600k? ya, but I'd also miss the chance to raise children in my home culture.
I'll take your other questions as rhetorical. they're noted
>LOL good luck
our school in my hometown had a few adopted asians, a viet family or two, a chinese family or 3, but I get what you're saying. Have you been to smaller town Ohio? Our kids would pretty much be raised american, so would be just like the adopted koreanones w/an Italian last name lol. I think it's tougher to be from a full viet family that's doing all viet thigs in suburban ohio. they really stuck to their own.
but if not Ohio, where?
>>60565048
>This sounds like a terrible idea. Divorce laws are fucked in the US, and you'll be elevating her sexual marketplace value by placing her in
I don't mean to be overly dismissive, but you can spare me the MGTOW PhD lecture. I say this as someone who had a grandfather whose filipina wife left him, but their age gap was literally 30yr. he was a granpa and she was a late 20s/early 30s woman.
My buddy out here is also giga redpilled on anything good ever happening to anyone ever or ceding any control or leverage in any situation. I get it, but I've seen plenty of couples (many girls I hooked up with) move back to USA/Europe just fine. You just gotta pick right and trust your conviction.
>Most marriages end in divorce and 70% are initiated by women.
% is much less for middle class, religious , first time marriage. It's really not a coin flip. each side is bringing their behavior to the equation every day. My entire hometown circle is in intact relationships or marriages, despite USA relational stats being down. A lot of the chaos is allocated to the lower classes as well as the upper upper classes.
I would mainly be coming back to USA so our children receive much better education, network and opportunities. And I'm willing to risk money for that. I've got plenty of time to grind another 600k. Would I miss the 600k? ya, but I'd also miss the chance to raise children in my home culture.
I'll take your other questions as rhetorical. they're noted
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Anonymous
ID: tyJ+9OOH
6/30/2025, 7:48:53 PM No.60565207
>>60564970
Based Rhode Island
Based Rhode Island
Anonymous
ID: uECk+n3c
6/30/2025, 7:56:40 PM No.60565237
>>60565204
>70% are initiated by women.
and I figure I'll be called a white kight, woman or whatever, but a big part of this redpill cited stat is that men will stay in a relationship past it's expiration date or will keep the relationship going while being overtly abusive.
I suppose redpillers are attempting to have the audience of this stat fill in the blank with "she just blew up the relationship out of nowhere to an otherwise healthy guy!"
I'm sure that happens. maybe even happens a lot, but a guy becoming an alcoholic or engaging in rampant infidelity and then being divorced will also count in this stat. The real stat should be who tanks the relationship on a spiritual/emotional/behavior level and we simply don't have those numbers. I wish we did.
Guys like Better Bachelor on youtube...I watched in my deep MGTOW phase and was all about it (I mean, I did become a passport bro lol), but eventually realized I wouldn't even be long term friends with such a whiner, let alone a wife to him.
My real issue was like basically every passport bro/expat I've networked with: family of origin issues, a phase of self hatred, looked for a father figure on the internet and found rooshv (burnt out coomer), redpill and incel forums, etc. basically. the most common thread is not having a father. serveral passport bros, modern life dating, david bond, aaron clarey, roosh have a common thread: single mom household, abandoned by dad or at least a neglected by family of origin. a few guys end up charismatic and leading/monetizing a group of similarly traumatized guys into oblivion.
>70% are initiated by women.
and I figure I'll be called a white kight, woman or whatever, but a big part of this redpill cited stat is that men will stay in a relationship past it's expiration date or will keep the relationship going while being overtly abusive.
I suppose redpillers are attempting to have the audience of this stat fill in the blank with "she just blew up the relationship out of nowhere to an otherwise healthy guy!"
I'm sure that happens. maybe even happens a lot, but a guy becoming an alcoholic or engaging in rampant infidelity and then being divorced will also count in this stat. The real stat should be who tanks the relationship on a spiritual/emotional/behavior level and we simply don't have those numbers. I wish we did.
Guys like Better Bachelor on youtube...I watched in my deep MGTOW phase and was all about it (I mean, I did become a passport bro lol), but eventually realized I wouldn't even be long term friends with such a whiner, let alone a wife to him.
My real issue was like basically every passport bro/expat I've networked with: family of origin issues, a phase of self hatred, looked for a father figure on the internet and found rooshv (burnt out coomer), redpill and incel forums, etc. basically. the most common thread is not having a father. serveral passport bros, modern life dating, david bond, aaron clarey, roosh have a common thread: single mom household, abandoned by dad or at least a neglected by family of origin. a few guys end up charismatic and leading/monetizing a group of similarly traumatized guys into oblivion.
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Anonymous
ID: uECk+n3c
6/30/2025, 7:59:19 PM No.60565248
>>60565048
>central banking on jekyll island in 1910, the female vote in 1920, the hart-cellar act of 1965, no fault divorce starting in california in 1969 until it was implemented in all states by 2010.
pretty good recount. female vote is pretty wild since women + paid off immigrants and the pupeteers above can pretty much win any election if they move in lockstep. native males will just never have the numbers if the women break rank and have a vote.
>>60565175
>Neck yourself.
naw I'm just not gonna lol
>central banking on jekyll island in 1910, the female vote in 1920, the hart-cellar act of 1965, no fault divorce starting in california in 1969 until it was implemented in all states by 2010.
pretty good recount. female vote is pretty wild since women + paid off immigrants and the pupeteers above can pretty much win any election if they move in lockstep. native males will just never have the numbers if the women break rank and have a vote.
>>60565175
>Neck yourself.
naw I'm just not gonna lol
Anonymous
ID: uECk+n3c
6/30/2025, 8:01:39 PM No.60565254
>>60565048
>IMO just stay in SEA, you can enjoy a comfortable retirement on 1.2m with your girl.
I've definitely considred this. I can gather the funds to pay for decent int'l school. kids would still lack the network + native culture of USA, so even if they went for college they'd feel like arrivals to a new land, but maybe the play is to set them up with SEA businesses rather than play the education -> career game.
>IMO just stay in SEA, you can enjoy a comfortable retirement on 1.2m with your girl.
I've definitely considred this. I can gather the funds to pay for decent int'l school. kids would still lack the network + native culture of USA, so even if they went for college they'd feel like arrivals to a new land, but maybe the play is to set them up with SEA businesses rather than play the education -> career game.
Anonymous
ID: feoHgrOG
6/30/2025, 8:35:55 PM No.60565388
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Anonymous
ID: 4p0klOtI
6/30/2025, 9:18:26 PM No.60565552
>>60563124 (OP)
It's actually not much more expensive most places than it was 70 years ago per square foot, but houses are giant now and as everyone moves into cities demand outstrips supply
So a shortage of small cheap homes and ballooning square footage mcmansions
(Also 50s housing is the result of massive governmental spending on housing but the sheep on here will scream that a librul conspiracy or some shit)
It's actually not much more expensive most places than it was 70 years ago per square foot, but houses are giant now and as everyone moves into cities demand outstrips supply
So a shortage of small cheap homes and ballooning square footage mcmansions
(Also 50s housing is the result of massive governmental spending on housing but the sheep on here will scream that a librul conspiracy or some shit)
s
ID: OMMHditV
6/30/2025, 9:20:04 PM No.60565563
>>60563124 (OP)
People all want to live close to where they work, but work from home should help with that. Globalization also pressured everyone to live as close to the coast as possible. Mass manufacturing of homes hasn't really picked up since 2008. A lot less young people are in the trades than historically and older people charge more. Housing demand might be met after 2030 though, and prices will hopefully stagnate, and hopefully wages will outpace inflation for the first time in decades, making housing relatively more affordable to income without crashing prices.
People all want to live close to where they work, but work from home should help with that. Globalization also pressured everyone to live as close to the coast as possible. Mass manufacturing of homes hasn't really picked up since 2008. A lot less young people are in the trades than historically and older people charge more. Housing demand might be met after 2030 though, and prices will hopefully stagnate, and hopefully wages will outpace inflation for the first time in decades, making housing relatively more affordable to income without crashing prices.
Anonymous
ID: X2cG2V1l
6/30/2025, 9:21:37 PM No.60565567
>>60563124 (OP)
Because debt, credit and currencies are potentially infinite.
How do you account for that except for ever increasing prices?
Because debt, credit and currencies are potentially infinite.
How do you account for that except for ever increasing prices?
Anonymous
ID: X2cG2V1l
6/30/2025, 9:44:04 PM No.60565659
>>60564171
>explain to me how
He can't.
>muh zoning
...is nothing but "number go up means world more gooder" in principle.
>explain to me how
He can't.
>muh zoning
...is nothing but "number go up means world more gooder" in principle.
Anonymous
ID: 8/o/ghD7
6/30/2025, 10:36:07 PM No.60565927
it is a speculative asset, but you are priced out as the generations to come, it's like buying btc early, but with the difference you can't live in a btc
Anonymous
ID: uECk+n3c
6/30/2025, 10:36:52 PM No.60565932
>>60565527
>>"hello fellow ohioans"
I did burst out laughing lol
my girl looks much less monkey.
the distance between that gal's outermost lip distance and her eyes is legendary
>>"hello fellow ohioans"
I did burst out laughing lol
my girl looks much less monkey.
the distance between that gal's outermost lip distance and her eyes is legendary
Anonymous
ID: g/dye/Lt
6/30/2025, 11:30:04 PM No.60566144
>>60565237
agreed
check out redl3tters on twitter, he regularly dunks on mgtow/redpill retards in an intelligent way
agreed
check out redl3tters on twitter, he regularly dunks on mgtow/redpill retards in an intelligent way
Anonymous
ID: zwfUc9v6
7/1/2025, 2:48:39 AM No.60566810
>>60563124 (OP)
because line must continue to go up.
houses are never getting cheaper and the people waiting for a crash are gonna keep waiting as prices inflate beyond their savings and income. buy whatever you can right now before it's too late and don't say I didn't warn you.
honestly though, people treating their house as an "investment" that MUST increase in value for no real reason is part of why housing is so fucked right now. it's not "muh blackrock" or whatever as most normgroids think, those large corporations make up like 0.1% of single family home ownership.
because line must continue to go up.
houses are never getting cheaper and the people waiting for a crash are gonna keep waiting as prices inflate beyond their savings and income. buy whatever you can right now before it's too late and don't say I didn't warn you.
honestly though, people treating their house as an "investment" that MUST increase in value for no real reason is part of why housing is so fucked right now. it's not "muh blackrock" or whatever as most normgroids think, those large corporations make up like 0.1% of single family home ownership.
Anonymous
ID: D3ay3Hmj
7/1/2025, 7:36:09 AM No.60567321
>>60564189
wow, this post is exactly correct and sums up the entire picture quite accurately
but more emphasis is needed on the free credit to millions of niggers.
the kikes are replacing us with niggers at an insane pace and they are giving them all the resources by giving them credit regardless of profitability, then printing trillions to cover the inevitable losses
this is a dire situation and we need to collapse society
we need to sabotage everything, kill every leftist, jew, and nigger, and see where the cards fall after that
wow, this post is exactly correct and sums up the entire picture quite accurately
but more emphasis is needed on the free credit to millions of niggers.
the kikes are replacing us with niggers at an insane pace and they are giving them all the resources by giving them credit regardless of profitability, then printing trillions to cover the inevitable losses
this is a dire situation and we need to collapse society
we need to sabotage everything, kill every leftist, jew, and nigger, and see where the cards fall after that
Anonymous
ID: dpGzCIG7
7/1/2025, 7:43:01 AM No.60567330
Assuming you are American, how can you honestly see shit like this and call it expensive? It is practically free
You would never, ever get anything like this even in the most deprived jobless shithole in the UK and afaik most countries are even worse than UK.
You would never, ever get anything like this even in the most deprived jobless shithole in the UK and afaik most countries are even worse than UK.
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Anonymous
ID: HRmxHgXB
7/1/2025, 7:45:51 AM No.60567339
>>60563124 (OP)
it cost nothing to be Homeless
it cost nothing to be Homeless
Anonymous
ID: feoHgrOG
7/1/2025, 8:26:03 AM No.60567382
>>60567330
wait until you learn about texas property taxes
wait until you learn about texas property taxes
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Anonymous
ID: klk2KKPt
7/1/2025, 8:31:15 AM No.60567391
>>60563182
Those are sales numbers not prices retard
Those are sales numbers not prices retard
Anonymous
ID: uECk+n3c
7/1/2025, 11:51:31 AM No.60567679
>>60567330
>Assuming you are American, how can you honestly see shit like this and call it expensive? It is practically free
while you are generally correct that you can still get a cheap house in USA (near no jobs, but they exist lol), it's funny you picked this one
>more expensive than house I grew up in in northeast Ohio, for 600sqft less
>not 95% white, but actually less than 1%? >>60567382
lol
Even the realtor knows anyone with $30-60k lying around probably won't want to live there.
"*Great Opportunity for short term rental investors!* "
>Assuming you are American, how can you honestly see shit like this and call it expensive? It is practically free
while you are generally correct that you can still get a cheap house in USA (near no jobs, but they exist lol), it's funny you picked this one
>more expensive than house I grew up in in northeast Ohio, for 600sqft less
>not 95% white, but actually less than 1%? >>60567382
lol
Even the realtor knows anyone with $30-60k lying around probably won't want to live there.
"*Great Opportunity for short term rental investors!* "