Why is Powell intentionally sabotaging our economy and financial markets? Is it grounds for treason?

>>60565109 (OP)
>inflation is bad
>jpow should cut rates
Pick ONE.

>>60565109 (OP)
"Sabotage" is print money to pay for a interest that has zero necessity of existing.

the federal reserve prints money out of thin air and lends it out for interest. they are not part of the federal government. it's just a name. it's a private organization with investors who receive dividends. there is more interest owed than money in circulation, creating artificial winners and losers.

you can never be equal with your fellow man, because we all need at least 1 to meet our needs and they only let 0.8 into the system. meaning you need to take 0.2 from someone else to make your 1 necessary for life. then that man has 0.6 and needs to take more from someone else. repeat ad infinitum, and you almost force people to sell their souls if they're at 0.1 and don't want to die.

>>60565191
Yep, but alas. Just vote different next time, lmao.

>>60565109 (OP)
trump sabotaged the markets way more though and just let his family and team insider trade it.
what a scumbag

>>60565109 (OP)
Donald keeps giving him the perfect excuses to keep rates high.

>>60565109 (OP)

Powell Derangement Syndrome

>>60565109 (OP)
He's a political operative. He's going to keep repeating the "wait and see" "need more data" stalling tactic until his term is over. It's pretty much the only win the demonrats have had in a long time.

Can't believe that fucking Powell is the last bastion of reason in this economy. I used to hate that guy

>>60565109 (OP)
The FED is controlled by a European entity of kikes and what Powell is doing goes against the will of the people and the country as a whole. He should be arrested and jailed immediately

>>60565939
he was promoted by trump to chair, retard.

>>60565109 (OP)
The dollars is already tanking without low rates.

>>60565109 (OP)
A HANDWRITTEN NOTE JUST FLEW OVER MY HOUSE!
t. Jerome Powell

Should I buy some bonds to flipp after the inevitable cut? Seems like a safe bet

>>60565972
Every single bond (that has exposure to those time periods) has priced in a rate cut in September + future rate cuts as well.

>>60565964
Yes, and?

>>60565959
>>60565939
Miga pol tourists need to go back.

>>60565144
>black magic is real
>gold/silver standard
pick one

>>60565998
Not an argument. Concession accepted.

>>60565947
The hero we dont deserve

>>60565109 (OP)
>Cutting interest rates when M2 money supply and stock market are both at all-time-highs


Retarded. Say hello to Erdogan Turkey-tier/Argentina-tier levels of inflation.

>>60565947
Powell is still a piece of shit and even belongs in prison- he is the sole reason you can't afford your rent or even to eat at McDonalds anymore by adding $13 Trillion dollars to the economy overnight during COVID. However, firing him over his decision to try and fix his fuck up and continuing to fight inflation is a dumb move by Trump. Whatever dovish Fed chair Trump would appoint at this period of time over Powell would just make prices and inflation even worse by cutting rates and running the money printers even more.

>>60566150
Everything after 2009 (really 1971 (really really 1913)) was just sealing the fate chosen by those before us.
Whoever gets the hyperinflation card during their term is just whoever was unlucky enough to be at the top when the music stops

>>60566388
Based and truthpilled.

>>60565109 (OP)
The central bank should not give the impression that it is acting according to political directives. Since that would undermine trust in the currency in general. Powell is doing the right thing for the long run here.

>>60566140
Bond interest is the current driver of money stock expansion, this is the actual reason jay the fag is keeping rates high

>>60566444
Fucking dumbass literally almost everyone in this thread knows high interest rates slow down the stock market and economic growth. Did you really think you were Mr. Big Brained Smarty Pants typing this basic bitch normgroid reply out? You also fail to realize that with the 10 Year Yield at 4.25% the stock market is still making all time highs, meaning rates are definitely not high, definitely do not need to be cut to spur on unnecessary inflation, and, in fact, there is actually room to raise rates so bread doesn't cost $100 a loaf by 2030 just so your dumbass can gamble on 0dte call options and shitcoins.

It's actually better for the maga movement if the inflation hits after trump's term not before.
So the later the rates are cut the better.

Biden was an idiot to hold the bag during inflation.

>>60566150
>by adding $13 Trillion dollars to the economy overnight during COVID
To be fair, the entire cattle asked for that, because the government just forced everybody to stay home.
Ao in the end was much more of a economical necessity for a political error than the opposite.

>>60566500
To be fair, this completely destroyed our country. You can make up whatever excuse you want to gloss over just how monumentally fucked we are from that monetary fuck up, but its unironically game over. People are already hurting still from Powell's dumb monumental increase in the money supply all the way back from 2020, and now M2 money supply is back to an all time high again just these past few weeks once more. Prepare for even more pain and every single person you know who rents for a living to end up homeless before 2027 while the stock market simultaneously continues to hit all time high after all time high. This inflation situation is like a hurricane- "cooling of inflation" from 2022-2024 was just the calm of the eye of the storm, now in 2025 the second half of the storm is fast approaching and it is going to be far more dangerous and far more dirty than anything ever experienced from 2020-2021. Cutting rates as M2 and the stock market is at an all time high is literal suicide.

>>60566555
Other countries have cut rates and haven't hyperinflated.

>>60565109 (OP)
It's an elaborate dance in hyperdimensional chess. Humphrey's executor will be overturned. This shit from jpow is the justification for kicking him out. The following moves occur:

>Shadow Fed Chair begins massive interest rate dump
>Markets go turbo venom mode
>Inflation comes like withdrawal after heroin
>Continue massive pump
>Ideally push Vance into next term
>Dollar collapses around 2030, so does debt
>Post fiat world sees a near total collapse of social support welfare programs
>Mass chimpening
>Die offs

What next idk

>>60566561
That's because all their currencies are paired against the dollar, and the dollar is in free fall (due to all these retards constantly crying for lower rates in the US) buoying all their currencies up.

>>60565109 (OP)
>Have 36 trillion dollars of national debt
>Have 1.2 trillion dollar deficit
>Still gives military aid to Israel and Ukraine
just stop funding wars that you can't afford burgertard

>>60566603
cool it with the anti-semitism goy

>>60566150
>Afford rent
>Eat at McDonald's
Who the fuck do you think I am?

>>60566388
Hyper inflation is easy to stop you just slap an absurdly high interest rate on, like 20-25%. That's what was done to stop inflation in the 70s. This is why monetary policy isn't directed by elected officials. Elected officials are usually pandering retards who can't make hard decisions.

>>60566628
>I'm OK therefore everything fine

Yeah have fun living in a nation wide San Francisco or Rio De Janeiro, Brazil. I'm sure you'll love living in the new US thats awaiting right around the corner of hyperinflation. Hope you have a South Africa-tier security system with a safe room installed.

>>60566645
>That's what was done to stop inflation in the 70s

Based Paul VOLKer knower. God we need him now more than ever.

>>60565109 (OP)
The observant Anon may notice that JPOW is inching closer and closer into the MAGA line of sight. He's being successfully black-and-whited, so you'll see clueless Conservatives suddenly despise the man and blame rising retail prices on his refusal to lower interest rates.

>>60566647
I've been to both those cities and would have no issue living in them, maybe leave your white trash meth infested trailer park see that the world isn't as scary as you think. Stop smoking meth and go to college.

>>60566654
The Fed is based and the fact that's it's private makes it even more based. Communists on this board want monetary policy controlled by retarded elected officials who spend 10 trillion dollars over 20 years on 2 wars and get no return on investment.

>>60566669
>I've been to both those cities and would have no issue living in them

So have I smart guy, why do you think I quoted them? San Francisco sucks ass full stop, and Rio is fine for a visit but not for living or even staying long term. No one sane in this country wants to live in either.

No one is buying US bonds at 4% yield, lowering it will collapse demand even more.

>>60566852
But muh line must go up!

>>60566464
>everyone knows [econ 101 by prof shekelberg]
>so ur a normgroid for posting dissent, ok?!?
Debt paid with debt is identical in-the-limit to straight printing. Open your eyes and stop falling for bullshit pseudo-economics justifications for debasement. Money is not special, it works like any other asset, increases in quantity (all else being equal) always and only proportionally decreases its value.

>b-but da inflation was low in da 2000s despite all da printin'!
'no' Stats like CPI were low, never forget that a HUGE part of volcker's "taming" of inflation was just cooking the books hardcore, early 80s is when they started using complete ass-pulls like "owner equivalent rent"
>t. me in 2022 trying to talk sense into you stupid fucking smoothbrains
>mfw it’s fucking 2025 and you still haven’t caught on to the Fed’s game despite me patiently explaining it to you for three whole years

>>60565191
This could all be fixed with a labor based currency but that would be incredibly antisemetic for some reason

>>60566852
Institutions aren’t buying longer term debt BECAUSE the short end is paying “so well” (the short end isn’t paying well, but boomers are retarded). Cuts shunt that money into longer term debt, which is precisely why the Fed isn’t cutting.

>>60566985
The problem only exists for smoothbrains, intelligent people use higher quality economic units like equity indexes or bitcoin for their economic abstraction needs

Fuck your stocks and home values. Powell should pull a Volker and raise rates. Kys debtors

>>60565191
Lol, no.

>>60566947
>Debt paid with debt is identical in-the-limit to straight printing. Open your eyes and stop falling for bullshit pseudo-economics justifications for debasement. Money is not special, it works like any other asset, increases in quantity (all else being equal) always and only proportionally decreases its value.

Where is the disagreement? Debt paid with even more debt would just flourish even more in an ultra low interest rate environment. Higher interest rates= debt becomes less attractive, no matter what its used for.

>no' Stats like CPI were low, never forget that a HUGE part of volcker's "taming" of inflation was just cooking the books hardcore, early 80s is when they started using complete ass-pulls like "owner equivalent rent"

Everything was cheaper in the 80s through the 2000's. Nothing more, nothing less. I didn't need to verify whether or not the books were cooked like they are now even just a decade ago, my wallet and wages did the talking for me. I had apartments back then in major city centers for $500 a month working just minimum wage jobs when I was younger as recently as the early to mid 2000's. The same could not happen now.

Your post said nothing, and your arguing with ghosts.

>>60567023
Based. God Emperor VOLKer needs to rise from the dead and cast these debt-maxxed fake-rich consoomer scum back to the depths of hell from where they came. Total NPC consoom-brained demons in the flesh.

>>60566947
>Debt paid with debt is identical in-the-limit to straight printing. Open your eyes and stop falling for bullshit pseudo-economics justifications for debasement. Money is not special, it works like any other asset, increases in quantity (all else being equal) always and only proportionally decreases its value.

Where is the disagreement? Debt paid with even more debt would just flourish even more in an ultra low interest rate environment. Higher interest rates= debt becomes less attractive, no matter what its used for.

>no' Stats like CPI were low, never forget that a HUGE part of volcker's "taming" of inflation was just cooking the books hardcore, early 80s is when they started using complete ass-pulls like "owner equivalent rent"

Everything was cheaper in the 80s through the 2000's. Nothing more, nothing less. I didn't need to verify whether or not the books were cooked like they are now even just a decade ago, my wallet and wages did the talking for me. I had apartments back then in major city centers for $500 a month working just minimum wage jobs when I was younger as recently as the early to mid 2010's. The same could not happen now.

Your post said nothing, and your arguing with ghosts.

>>60565109 (OP)
what did the note say?

>>60565109 (OP)
Dollar low oil cheap jobs market weakening inflation whatever its inevitable with the fiscal situation can't cut from a political standpoint have to try and outgrow inflationary, depression or inflation this isn't a crisis like covid plus huge deflationary pressures incoming with AI that nobody can model yet, I honestly have no idea what he's doing for 1-2% positive real rates this is why there shouldn't even be a federal funds rate imo the market is saying they're behind cutting

>>60566036
>>60565998
>>60565939
everyone is a "political operative" and politics is completely fake

they are just putting on a production of 'good goy vs bad goy' to distract from the manipulation behind the scenes and to absorb blame for the crash that's going to happen this week

also there might be a terroristic false flag

in that case, remember to revolt: the government will quickly launch patriot act 2.0 on meth and steroids and put us in camps for having bad ideas

>>60566852
foreigners will be piling the fuck into bonds any day now as all the liquidity is drying up and there is no where to play in the rain

they are being heavily bought in the last couple weeks as "smart money" front runs the niggercattle

>>60565992
He's one of "the best people" or else he wouldn't have gotten the job obviously :)

>"the fed is independent !"
>"they're resisting the president!"
insane levels of stupidity
it's all theater

They should be hiking rates. Inflation is still uncontrolled after FIVE FUCKING YEARS.

Will you lower interest rates?
BTW I think ur cute bigly.

Circle one and pass it back to me.

Yes

No

Maybe

>>60567600
Works in my state

>>60565109 (OP)
Turns out all those 180 IQ folx who thought bull runs could only happen with low rates were wrong

>>60565109 (OP)
>handwritten

>>60566669

both those cities are disgusting hell holes and you are a disgusting freak for liking them. fucking freak, ur probably gay and shoot heroin while shitting in the street

>>60567656

Maybeeee, tee hee, I'll have to wait and see. I think ur cute uwu too, let me spit on your flaccid octogenarian penoid Drumpfold Don

>>60566573
>gold and ammo hoarders emerge as the new ruling elite

>>60567698
So then why cut? You don't cut rates as the stock market and M2 Money Supply hits all time highs- that is insanity.

>>60567781
He’s clearly a faggot Jew. Many such cases.

the dollar is already inflated and has lost 99% of its value but it's STILL OVERVALUED LMFAO

>>60566150
>adding $13 Trillion dollars to the economy overnight during COVID.
That was just modifying the definition of M1 to include savings accounts. Modifying definitions doesn't create new money.

>>60569027
>implying there was no money printing taking place during COVID lockdowns

are you retarded, or just a paid Wall Street inflation shill?

Niggas don't even know the fed wants high inflation and thinks the tariffs are doing their job for them. Hope you burgerbros have been stacking rice and beans.

>>60565109 (OP)
>He wand the Turkey treatment
Burgers are so fucking retarded holy shit. but go on, at this point I just don't care anymore if I go down alongside you because of your utter retardation, it's unfortunately necessary.

>>60569066
There was, but not $13 trillion overnight. Anyone saying $13 trillion overnight is just someone too retarded to read the footnotes on FRED's M1 series.

>>60569148
>Anyone saying $13 trillion overnight

Close enough. Semantics does not take away from the reality of hyperinflation in the hundreds of percent via 2020 money printing.

>>60569181
>Close enough
I accept your concession.