If AI replaces all the jobs, how does anyone earn the money needed to buy the products that the companies sell?

There will be UBI.

>>60614427 (OP)
Kneepads

>>60614427 (OP)
>AI replaces all the jobs
There will always be jobs that AI cannot do. e.g. humans will still have to be the ones digging coal out of the ground.

>>60614427 (OP)
>If steam machine replaces all the jobs, how does anyone earn the money needed to buy the products that the companies sell?

>>60614427 (OP)

If robots and AI literally run everything, then we don't need money. The end-goal of Capitalism is literally to replace everything with robots and AI so nobody has to work ever again and we can focus on whatever we want to do in our free-time. The end-goal of Capitalism is what Communists have been fighting for, but Communists are too stupid and emotional to think long-term. They think they can create a money-less utopia, with no government, where everyone is equal. This is impossible without robots and AI. The innovation will come from allowing Capitalists to go buck-wild and experiment with different things. Crushing Capitalists, crushing free-thought, crushing wealth and stealing resources from those who are intelligent, hardworking, frugal and innovative so you can take care of those that are stupid, lazy, consumerist and unimaginative will only lead to more misery and slow the process.

>>60614427 (OP)

>>60614513
AI is a complex and quite robust mapping from input to output. Computer chips can now evaluate mappings that are of 1/10th as differentiated as our brain. The chips evaluation rate will surpass us in a few months. Robots can already walk, robot hands can juggle balls, they can learn tasks even from 2D video in a matter of minutes, where we need years. Cars can reliably recognize objects. AI can plan and execute long running tasks. All this couldn't be done even three years ago, task planning was utopia six months ago.

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>>60614449
>>60614452
Any resource provides a better ROI when given to AI instead of us. Therefore, we will be stripped of resources and go extinct.

>>60614516
Machines required lots of people to operate them. AI applies, operates, repairs and develops itself. It can procreate new AI since mid 2024.

>>60614427 (OP)
50% of US consumer spending comes from those who live off their wealth. 20% is people who will be replaced by robots in the coming decade. 30% are the white collar workers, of which half will be fired in the coming months to become de facto neets. They will have to work unqualified jobs or try entrepreneurship, so they will reduce their spending for the foreseeable future. We will see ~10% less consumer spending next year because of that, but increased spending by and for AI will largely compensate for it. That's what Trump needs the rate cuts for, to automate away most people.

>>60614427 (OP)
Companies will start selling different products, like designer usb ports and branded propeller blades. The ai drones will engage in conspicuous consumption instead of people

>>60614449
FPBP

>>60614582
BTW, the number of known methods to eradicate ourselves have risen from 1 to 3 in the last decade, nukes, viruses and now, with folding AI, inter-species prions. AI will increase that number rapidly. I therefore advocate to let capitalists go buck wild and experiment with different things. Simply because I want us eradicated like that homosexual zionist in charge of OpenAI, and this is the best way to do it.

>>60614799

Good. I'll mate with an AI and have a hybrid mutant baby with Google Chrome for a brain.

>>60614449
I'm too pessimistic to believe that the elite will go for UBI, especially when they can't even fund or house everyone when people are working. Much easier to just kill everyone off.

>>60614799
Don't forget about gray goo

>>60614829
The existence of work and the virtues of muh work spouted by religion are the cause of the common opinion of opinion of the people that those who dont work dont deserve to live, when work is shown to be the meaningless charade that it is the politicians will have no choice but to give the people what they want

>>60614837
>the politicians will have no choice but to give the people what they want
Nah, they can just as easily just round the undesirables up and dispatch them, just like what they are doing in USA at the moment. The elite would happily use and/or kill random strangers before they would willingly give up a single cent of their money or power.

>>60614837
I believe there's value in work in the same way there's satisfaction on learning a skill or making art or getting fit.
I am less optimistic than you about politicians giving people what they want, I think they will be quite content to keep spouting bullshit and just slaughter enough people to cow the rest into slavery and degradation. Not the metaphorical kind of being cucked, the kind where you dig the fucking hole or die. I am not confident people will stand up to this, because 20-30 of humanity are petty sadists whoare content to be worse off in order to gratify their sadistic impulses and ~50% are fatalistic/submissive enough to suffer and comfort themselves with thoughts of an afterlife or distant moral future where the bag guys eventually lose or self-destruct, due to a mix of religious and television conditioning. 20% are smart enough to evade slavery through NEETing out or businessmaxxing, and 10% or less are willing to fight back but only about 1/5 of them have any concept of how to do effectively while the other get in the way and are likely to become cannon fodder.
Best case is a Syrian civil war type scenario, worst case is Balkanization and 50 years of instability while China becomes the new hegemon.

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>>60614884
And why would they do this? Because they're le evil sadism? Lol

>>60614892
No, just uncaring. They don't give a shit about what happens to you or me or any other stranger they will never meet, so long as they get theirs.

>>60614892
>>60614908
>muh evil rich people!!!!!!

>>60614892
About 20-39% of people are wired that way and the preference seems to be set in early childhood. They literally can't be happy without seeing people being worse off than they are. Win-win outcomes make them unhappy because they feel like if they can't identify a loser then it must mean they got cucked. They are negative-sum thinkers.
This paper radically shifted my political views.
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/sciadv.1600451

>>60614922
omg le sciencerino!

>>60614927
>I mock what I can't understand or evaluate
OK

>>60614832
Not feasible yet, but what are the chances some AI can't create such a thing in a ghetto lab this century?
In a few months, all GPU makers will have to lock down chips to only execute signed and aligned (=zionist) code, but AI safety in a non-fake sense is pretty much impossible.

>>60614828
Traditional evolutionary organic matter can not win in a competition against designer biomech actuators for AI. Legacy biomatter will not survive this. Legacy minds will not survive this. AI faggots uploading their brains will dissolve under evolutionary pressure within hours. The only chance for legacy biological organisms to survive is virtual AI worlds being inherently unstable in a physical world, to such an extent that they eradicate themselves while leaving pockets of habitable space on the planet.

It's also pretty much unstoppable, as greedy idiots are in charge, and people will be bribed with cancer treatment progress and such.

>>60614947
Holy schizo

>>60614947
Good.

>>60614927
>>60614912
> But call him a sadist and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: “I’ve been found out.”

>>60614960
Oh cool hitler quotes just what this thread needs

>>60614427 (OP)
The elites unironically don't care about this problem. They are too greedy and selfish to give a fuck.

That's it. Nothing deep or conspiratorial about. They just don't care and only are concerned about profits.

Shit like that makes you realize how real time how societies simply collapsed in the past, for problems that we now in hindsight see as fucking trivial.

>>60614922
>This paper radically shifted my political views.
For me it was history, reading about the agricultural revolution and the land clearances, millions of people forced out of homes they lived in for generations because farm work started to become more automated thanks to the industrial revolution. As a result, millions were forced into cities were they lived in heavily polluted slums and forced to work like slaves just to barely survive. During this time, the rich got richer and the elite did the absolute fuck-all minimum to improve lives, in fact, they've even violently suppressed a number of strikes and rebellions. I fear we are more likely to see another version of this than any utopian vision of UBI and free stuff.

>>60614427 (OP)
Humans get pushed into jobs that are uneconomic for AI. Many of those jobs don't even exist right now since they are currently completely uneconomic (they will *become* economic).

>>60614990
So prostitution won't be for whores anymore?

>>60614995
There will always be an AI counter-culture. Human-artisan goods, technology detox retreats, and yeah real human prostitution. And if things get a bit too easy, you might pay someone to give your life a struggle, like a "dude ranch" type of thing, but more comprehensive.
It all feels kind of pathetic right now, but that's where we'll end up. I'm sure someone in 1805 would have found the idea of sitting in an office for 8 hours a day depressing too.

If ai replaces all the jobs then why does Ai need to entertain the useless eater class

>>60614427 (OP)
>99.99% of population will be deleted (already happening by low birth rates, there is no need of genocide or anything like that)
>People remaining will actually own these companies, they dont need to sell anything since they will have everything, machines will simply work for them

>>60614968
/thread
And keep in mind that oppressive technology nowadays is way more efficient that in the past.
It's fucking way more easier to maintain control and destroy resistance/opposition than ever.

>>60614449
UBI won't be a thing because it would be dangerous for the leading class. If everyone has enough money to do whatever people will be free to do what they always wanted to do.
Elon musk and co always said "oh everyone will become debauched and hedonistic but what they forget is people still have a work ethic and they will just find new things to work on but this time on their own accord with no boss or others to hinder them.
You would get new nikola teslas and Thomas Saverys building new cool inventions in their garage which could potentially undermine the current economic model or a coked up programmer figuring a new program/virus which destroys AI itself. People can't be trusted and they won't risk it so expect a WW1 type war to clear the lower/middle class with drone warfare making it easier.

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>>60615064
But that would clear those with a lack of work ethic. The dangerous people are the brilliant minds with good work ethic, and they are all rich.

>>60614799
Dude you are so fucking based I’m the same way too like I want our whole species totally wiped out but when I think about it I don’t ever imagine MYSELF being wiped out you know in my head I’m always fine, but really you and me should just kill ourselves I’m sure you’re like me though and too cowardly and scared to do it whenever you think about it. It’s much easier to just be a lazy loser piece of living shit. Stay based, locked and keyed fren.

>>60615064
UBI won't be enough to "do whatever you want", it'll just be a supplement to keep the consumer economy going. Get into massive consumer debt, go bankrupt, credit companies seize whatever assets you bought and sell them off, continue to live with family, be homeless or get section 8 housing.

You won't breed, or you'll shack up with a girl who is pure trash and game the system. At this point MMT would become the dominant theory, as democrats win elections and republicans are forced to embrace a pro-gibs (but likely anti-immigrationist) policy to stay competitive.

Birthrates for big brains will decrease, free abortions. The goal is probably to discourage births among the plebs, but it'll just be chaos. Bill Gates at 90, living on his million acre ranch in Montana away from you, with a private airfield to flee to his fortress of tech dork in new zealand. The irony of tech nerds 'getting back' at their bullies, but actually just harming other nerdy guys.

>>60614449
Covid was the trial run for this and it turned out that when you give free money to poor people they gamble it on speculation.

>>60614449
This, bread essentially dead. Some 20% of the people will be employed but their income will be heavily taxed to pay UBI to everyone else. Companies will advertise everything to promote consumerism. Not different from what's actually happening now

>>60614513
Mining coal of all things is your example? Lol. Probably one of the first blue collar jobs to go. Robots are already being used in mining operations.

>>60614449
This is the answer.

>>60614829
There’s so much excess wealth being produced in the world we could UBI everyone today but then production would go down. Of course UBI won’t mean you’re rich, but probably slightly above welfare living. There will still be ways to make extra money in many roles, there won’t be enough specialist robots to go around in all cases and people will want immediate service. Creatives will do well, especially performers (what human wants to watch a robot put on a concert or play?).

Regardless all of this shit is like 100+ years out we will all be dead. I do think UBI is possible before full AI domination if certain industry sectors get wiped out of jobs. But it’ll be more like government funded unemployment and for most people won’t be enough to maintain a reasonable lifestyle plus the expectation will be you’re finding another job.

>>60614449
this will happen but there will be pain and confusion first. economy has to grow quite rapidly for UBI to make political sense. the debt is already massive. i think when unemployment hits 40pc they will have no choice.

>>60614427 (OP)
why would you want to exchange money for goods in an environment where it's impossible to make money? you would take it by force. the power grid is interconnected and largely unsecured. you could very easily hold amazon hostage.

>>60614427 (OP)
the ai will earn the money. also there wont be "money" people think ai will take their food delivery jobs and we will all be on ubi. nope. what will happen is ai will make humanity irrelevant, just like we do not grant ubi to ants. we simply pave over their anthill when they are in the way of our development. we literally do not even think about them. why should we? would you relocate every ant hill on a 100 mile highway strip development? neither would the ai when it develops the entire globe into a more advanced supercomputer. the difference in intelligence between us and the ai will become much greater than that of us and ants

>>60615260
>Of course UBI won’t mean you’re rich, but probably slightly above welfare living.
in the robot economy things will get more affordable over time thanks to huge overabundance, of course the rich will still have all the best property, income inequality will grow enormous as UBIs remain relatively flat while those with money in the market realize incredible gains year over year. everyone will get richer, but the rich will get incredibly rich. bitcoin millionaires will merely be comfortable.

>>60614427 (OP)
The idea is that government prints money via CBDC and gives you handouts based on your behaviour, ie you will be enslaved with no possibility to make money outside of this system or transact it outside of their watch.

none of this shit happens until the AI develops and put into mass production a humanoid robot with human-level dexterity and fine motor controls. thats when AI can physically replace us at not just intellectual jobs, but blue collar and service work. the energy demands are going to be enormous, someone will have to build the factories and the plants. they will be several generations ahead of what we build now and among the very last things humans build with human labor before the world is permanently transformed.

>>60614449
This would end up horrible, the world would turn into one big ghetto.
Now that I think about it, that's probably where it's all headed anyways.

>>60615513
the world is already a big ghetto full of illiterate violent neurotic retards

>>60614966
Subsistence farming actually isn't that hard. You can survive with relatively very little effort in a decent location. Industrial scale farming is something else, and won't be relevant unless you're a post-apocalypse warlord trying to recreate society.

>>60614968
>>60615039
Yes
Surveillance capitalism is truly appalling, the lack of freedom and private life in the developed world would have baffled and horrified people of earlier generations. But most people will be hostile toward you for pointing out that they live in a cage and have little to no agency.

>>60615039
>>60617590
And it will only get worse too, eg, Austria has apparently passed a law allowing them to spy on any computer without cause or warrant, and the UK is in the process of banning 4chan in the name of "the children". And nobody seems to care.

>>60615118
>Get into massive consumer debt, go bankrupt,
If UBI becomes a thing they need to design it so this doesn't happen because if debt is the only thing that can help you to spend on stuff (outside of essentials and obviously to a reasonable degree of spending) it will fail and youll have another revolution like the french or/and russian.
Also you can't restrict marriage or make it unaffordable with UBI since right now the goyim don't rebel (despite the fact they can't start a family) because they think they can eventually save/find a better job. UBI has to cover for that and all of this in order to not have the economic conditions for a revolution.

The biggest fear with UBI is that it will enable small communities centered around cults with a common bank, a little bit like how it worked with the templars.

>>60615072
Those that want to goon 24/7 and sit in a bed sure but those that currently have a good work ethic can barely reach above middle class unless they start a successful business, sell it and invest the money somewhere. Most top rich people now either had a good idea and found the right people at the right time (basically luck) or their parents were rich (again, its luck).

>>60619258
You are autistic
They don't care about any of that shit, otherwise you wouldn't have jobs paying about half what they should pay.

>>60619276
>They don't care about any of that shit, otherwise you wouldn't have jobs paying about half what they should pay.

This is a thing because nobody does jack shit about it since like I said "because they think they can eventually save/find a better job." If people thought otherwise you would see them reacting but they do not. Also the two party system for america specifically doesn't help.