>Accountant

Probably the best job out there if you don’t want to be a code monkey

>>60634083
I dropped being a code chimp 2 years into college, made the leap with all my pre reqs into accountancy, literally saved my life.

>>60634083
Pretty sure both careers along with knowledge work in general will get fucked by AI. The firm I work at is already trying to train LLMs on repetitive tasks. We won't need AGI to automate the majority of white collar work. I'm an accountant and have no idea what this industry will look like in 5 years time. A developer friend has found it hard to get a new job after being laid off so I think they're the first victims

>>60634143
I don't see it happening. The standards for accountancy are "it needs to be perfect." For tech, the standard is "Fuck it, that'll do." You don't see sloppy code, but you DO see when your tax return is all fucked and the IRS audits the shit out of you.

What I see happening is AI hallucinates something big, or, someone tampers with the AI, and it causes a multi-million dollar loss, and there's a huge scandal, and standards tighten, and it doesn't get used for anything more complex than journal entries - and you still need to pay a junior to tard wrangle it.

>>60634083
My mom's best friend had a retarded kid and he became an accountant

>actuary

>>60634053 (OP)
isn't that a well paying, simple job where you show up and relax?

>>60634379
Seems like a lot of brain work.

My current BI Dev job is kinda not my style. Too much task switching, changing priorities, and dev work. Dev work is fun, but Im only ever dealing with scripting-slop. My BI colleagues shit out the ugliest Python messes.

>>60634053 (OP)
>he posts it for the 100th time
lol you must really hate being an accountant. But my sister is an accountant and make like $300k a year, can't be that bad.

>>60634143
wont happen, accountancy requires precision, the dogshit ai spits out is embarrassing, it cant even make clean financial statements
its the same dogshit as people saying "look at all these charts ai can produce for me"
okay, difference is, do you know what those charts mean? can you even tell if theyre going to impress someone who you want to take a loan out from?

>>60634053 (OP)
My gf is an accountant and it pays okay for what it is

After high school, I was 50-50 split between becoming an accountant or pharmacist. Thank god I chose the latter. Otherwise, I'd still be working in some shitty office for mid pay.

>>60634756
>show up and relax
Talk to any accountant during their peak periods

>>60634143
AI is so overblown right now it's painful. It's useful for artslop and writing YA novellas and little else. Piece of shit fucks up reciting the alphabet sometimes and you think it'll replace precision accounting? The 2027 AI singularity isn't happening, unless by AI you mean "actually India". Real flying car vibes.

>>60634083
>t. not an accoutant
its dogshit pay to work more than 40 hours a week most weeks doing mind numbing busy work. can't imagine a young adult growing up in the 21st century who would even SETTLE for such a profession in the age of the internet.

>>60635148
Yea if I was a student studying accounting I would be threatened more by millions of jeets than Ai rn

>>60635181
Some people are happy with boring mediocrity with work and prefer to find their pleasure in their off time.
And all the people who can't realistically do anything beyond lower level thought jobs

>>60635132
you just follow your accounting check list for each file you work on. Literally instructions for doing taxes. That sounds comfy

>>60635235
Its mainly the 60-80 hour weeks they have to put in for a few months each year to clear all of the files before certain hard deadlines thats the issue.
Otherwise yeah pretty much

>>60634267
>>60635027
> the dogshit ai spits out is embarrassing
>its the same dogshit as people saying "look at all these charts ai can produce for me"
same stuff was being said about ai art just 2 years ago lol

i don't think you guys quite get it yet, for white collar jobs the ai doesn't need to be perfect, it just needs to be near perfect, then some accountant from the third world will have a quick over view to see if its right, probably just chucking into a few different AIs to make sure the results are consistent, then giving it back to one of the last accountants not yet fired by the company for a second lookover and some quick proof calculations to make sure the ai didn't fuck it up then giving it a stamp of approval

same shits going to happen to almost all white collar industrys, HR being a big one. HR will just be 1 guy taking 2 employees complaints and copy pasting it into 5 different HR AIs trained on the companys code of conduct and national and state laws then coming to a conclusion on what the correct way to prosneed is from what the ai spat out

>>60635265
i'm kind of with you man. i work at a big 4 accounting firm and my work as an associate is busy work. straight up number crunching while looking at a checklist.

what your describing is literally my experience.
like you do not need an education to do this, you do not need a human to do this. that's why there is a HUGE push for off shore workers. yes their work is worse, yes it has mistakes in it. WHO fucking cares, they get most of it done, it costs 1/10th of an American, and then the on-shore team can fix anything egregious. CPA certifications can be acquired by non-US citizens now too

FIRST years are getting laid off because of this shit. the supposed most stable, boring job in the world is laying off their first year college hires. think about that.

>>60635334
We're firing you first year niggers BECAUSE you have no technical skills or relationship management skills. We let pajeets and our bots do the brainless tasks that clients don't care to pay for. The real dollars come from advisory (or the clients perception that you are a trusted advisor), not some commodified bullshit like audit workpapers or a tax return.
>t. B4 partner, $850k comp and rapidly rising because of the efficiencies we're gaining

>>60635334
first years are getting laid off because colleges dont teach retards how to read a spreadsheet

once literally every financial transaction is on chain and cash is no longer used every human accountant will be losing their jobs to some company that builds the ultimate AI accountant software. if you dont understand this will be the new reality then you are tech illiterate and need to lurk /g/ for 6000 years.

I was training to do accounting in 2016 and I remember thinking "damn. This seems kinda easy to automate."

I stopped after a year of training.

>>60635186
It's the same thing though. Indians are such fuckups and so is AI that any finance or accounting work that you flood it with is liable to get your whole company sued. But no one will realize this until the first lawsuits go out and they realize all their money is missing and ranjesh is "sorry" and "will pay for it saar".

>>60634053 (OP)
What’s wrong with accountant? That shit was easy. My uncle is an account/cpi and makes over 300k usd/yr. The guy is a multimillionaire. His kids are set tho not married and too late for them. His son is an Uber driver and the daughter is an “actor”. So it’s not all about money.

>>60634053 (OP)
it's so funny how code monkeys spent the past decade telling me my job as an accountant will be automated but not theirs and now chat gpt is coding but not doing accounting

>>60634053 (OP)
>wfh accounting manager
>$120k/year
get a better job.

>>60634053 (OP)
sheesh thanks for reminding me i have to visit mine today

>>60634143
accountants (not clerks or AP/AR/bookkeeping wagies) get paid to exercise judgement and continually review things to uphold a control environment. most routine tasks have already been automated for decades by ERP software and add-on tools like transaction matching engines.

an AI can't be held responsible for review and approval in a SOX environment. the CFO/CAO or VP/controller doesn't have the bandwidth to review staff level work of an AI accountant that would otherwise be scrutinized by a manager.

also like >>60634267 says, AI (LLMs) is a mentally retarded scam. even with 'perfect' inputs it is prone to hallucinating total nonsense. anyone who has worked in accounting or auditing can tell you the inputs are usually clusterfucked garbage and so LLMs stand no chance at being useful or correct. if you want a more realistic view of the threats and what the future may hold, just look at what F500s and B4 accounting firms are doing: outsourcing staff level work to brown nigger retard shitskins in india. as retarded and worthless as they (i manage 2 of them), they are infinitely smarter than these kike retard LLM scams.

>>60634053 (OP)
>teacher
>it's summer break
hohohohoho hahahahahahaha

>>60636506
>looked into becoming a math/science teacher in my state (PA)
>need to jump through all sorts of retarded hoops for certification

>>60635181
Bro I make $120k and work from home. Job is can be stressful AND mind numbing boring but it pays well and isn’t horrible.

I'm a wfh admin officer
Jacking off all day would be a better use of my time

>>60636180
what do u call accounting? what were u doing?

>>60635181
I am an accountant. Don’t go public. Simple

>>60638062
Is it worth becoming an Accountant if I don't wanna pursue the CPA? I really don't wanna go through a year of studying that shit...I'm thinking of getting a BS Accounting degree and an MBA from WGU. My company offers tuition reimbursement so I would be getting the degrees for free.

>>60636530
in my country if you have masters/engineer diploma in related field you can teach if you get certifications. But you can and should get teaching job before being certified and do the certifcation during your first years teaching and your school will pay for it. If you have degree in something to do with math or science you can just walk into random highschool and announce that you are looking for a job and they will most likely give it to you and sort the certficates out with you, or just write email. Idk how it is in USA, so just ask someone.

>>60638158
No cpa cert you just take the cybersecurity route and go get certifications from tests
There a lot you can do, you can also become an EA and can talk to the IRS on behalf of people

>>60638158
yes you can make good money without a CPA. i make $117k after bonus and work fully remote as a non-SEC financial reporting manager for a megacorp. but i am studying for the CPA now and am 3/4 passed.

>>60638205
>>60638255
Hmm...so should I go for the BS Accounting + MBA combo from WGU? It would be paid for by my company.

>>60638294
MBA is a meme. i wouldn't do it even if it's free -- and if you're okay with wasting 2 years of time you might as well just study for the CPA.

>>60638305
Hmm...so go for BS Accounting + 4/4 CPA exam then? Is Ninja CPA any good?

>>60638323
yes, i've used nothing but Ninja and i've passed FAR, AUD, and ISC first try. going for REG next.

>>60638294
>>60638323
and i've heard good things about WGU. it's an online school but it won't preclude you from getting a good job.

>>60638331
Dang congrats dude, how many hours a week you studying for the CPA exam? Is it really that hard?

>>60638341
i do 90-120 minutes a day, 5 days a week of focused studying which means no distractions or dicking around. i did probably 120-150 hours for FAR, 80-100 hours for AUD, and 50 hours for ISC.

20-30% of your studying time spent on reading and re-reading the lecture notes (ninja notes) and the book (ninja book or whatever it's called) if the notes dont give you enough detail. i never watched videos or audio notes.

the other 70-80% of your time should be spent doing MCQs, over and over and over and over again. if you get something wrong then read the explanation to understand why you got it wrong. if you got something right then read the explanation to understand that you got the question right for the right reason.

i did a handful of simulated tasks for each section. the vast majority of my time is spent on MCQs.

>>60638341
>>60638395
also i never did flash cards and i didnt bother to memorize retarded shit that i see people talk about memorizing.
>financial ratios
learned the basic ones and skipped the rest.
>control frameworks e.g. COSO, NIST cybersecurity, etc
understood the bare basics, never memorized them.

reddit.com/r/cpa is useful but if you see idiots bitching about failing an exam 5 times or spending huge amounts of time memorizing shit you need to take it with a huge grain of salt because they're wasting their time on retarded nonsense and not focusing on what matters: doing MCQs and understanding why they're getting shit right/wrong.

>>60638395
>re-reading the lecture notes (ninja notes)
These are the cliffnotes style notes right? Like 200 pages for FAR etc.

>>60638450
yes

>>60634083
you think an excel sheet monkey is any better? lol

>>60638459
Thanks for the help dude! I plan to go for the BS Accounting degree from WGU, then utilize Ninja CPA to try and get 4/4 on the CPA exams. Do you plan to just stay in corporate, or do you wanna open your own practice one day?

>>60638477
i like my job but i want to work for myself one day.

To all the smug fleshbag humans out there saying that AI will never catch up:

Never forget that even having this discussion was thought to be impossible only a few years ago. AI will catch up in an exponential rate with such speed that you will be dumbfounded when it happens.

>>60638548
see >>60636411 retard

>>60638554
Like I said- you will be dumbfounded when it happens.

>>60634053 (OP)
I'm an account, job is fine
I would recommend though working for a private company. Much better than when I worked for a CPA firm

>>60634143

I will continue to have my high-school friend do my taxes for me, regardless of AI.