explain why communism is bad

>>60640041 (OP)
Stalinism is communism. The state will never be dismantled, so yes stalinism is communism.

Google the holomodor and the balkan genocides during stalin's reign. A mixed market economy is much more efficient such as the united states and certain schengen areas like the netherlands and germany because they actually produce goods.

>>60640041 (OP)
If you had an internal monologue you wouldn't have to ask, and since you don't, you wouldn't understand anyway

>>60640041 (OP)
I can't because it's not

>>60640041 (OP)
Because it leads to complete stagnation

>>60640041 (OP)
Central planning doesn’t work, the labor theory of value is wrong, plus equality is a myth and even if it weren’t, wouldn’t be desirable. Communism has killed more than every other religion, and yes it is a religion. Next stupid question

The best way to also ask how communism has been terrible is by asking former soviet satellite citizens and their opinions.

Not by listening to western europeans or americans

You can't have something that works exactly like a state and say that it's not a state

>>60640088
Ive never seen a communist store also being open 24/7

because for things to get done properly, there needs to be incentive. If there is no competition, quality naturally plummets, quality of life diminishes. thats my retard 101 explanation

>>60640106
>Ive never seen a communist store also being open 24/7
Because the workers would have ample time off to have a life with their families. You lost

>>60640041 (OP)
Because it's theft using violence.
It's everything using violence.
It's the most violent piece of garbage religion that killed hundreds of millions.
Communists are not human and killing them is totally okay.

>>60640106
Because why would it be, there's no incentive.
If all jobs pay equally, then you bet your sweet ass im not staying up all night, doing what is objectively a worse job for equal pay.

Now the state could potentially force me to do so, but now we're nearing the territory of dystopia.

>>60640041 (OP)
>state=mafia
>"citicens"=servants at best
>communism=state has massive power making "citicens" to slaves

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>>60640041 (OP)
Communism means the COMPLETE abolition of money. The USSR (united soviet SOCIALIST republic) and all of it's off shoots still had money.
Even the DPRK, if you pretend it's grey area blackmarket sales don't exist still has stateshops where you're expected to spend North Korean Won's.

Communism literally hasn't been tried, and there are currently zero real-world examples.

Socialism is just the redistribution of money, so anything from Singlepayer healthcare in sweden, or EBT and Snap in America would count.

>>60640041 (OP)
it's not bad

>>60640123
Shut the fuck up with this ideological pick me of "communism has never been tried" stalinism is communism because its impossible to abolish the state.

You tried, pick up your toys and go home. Money is literally energy quantified into a physical asset.

You forgot to mention LAO, cambodia, or vietnam. So yes communism has been attempted and only in backwater chink countries can it sort of work.

>>60640041 (OP)
humans are too dumb unfortunately

Communism has been tried and it failed globally

>>60640152
Alright there we go, now we a place to move to if you like communism
Go join the paradise of Laos, and enjoy living as a bug the rest of your life

>>60640144
>Shut the fuck up with this ideological pick me of "communism has never been tried"
I've been hearing this new term "pick me". Where the fuck did that come from? I've usually seen it applied to women who are critical of anti-male culture. I'm not sure how that applies to my post. In any case I'm surprised to see the term used here.

Also, I didn't say communism is even good. I just said it hasn't been tried, owing in large part to the fact that it can't be tried. Since money is literally energy quantified into a physical asset, any attempt to abolish money would result in bargaining with scraps of metal, or anything else that could be a proxy for value.

I really want to know why you called me a "pick me," or what that term means in this context.

why can't commies accept that people aren't equal and some people do in fact provide more value to the economy than others?

>>60640160
Never listen to a western european or an american about what communism is. Theyre disingenuous as hell and will think of multiple subtle terms they project in their heads to invalidate the argument.

>>60640165
Maybe not you specifically, but western trogledytes will think of every scenario to invalidate that communism has ever been tried.

It has been tried and almost all countries eventually move to a mixed economy within less than a century. It hinges on impossible scenarios to happen like the abolition of currency and the abolition of the state. Both concepts that have been existing for multiple millenia more than the concept of abject communism

>>60640169
the idea is that we can be equal and power disparities can be eliminated. imagine if humans were cooperative and did not stab each other in the back, everyone collaborated for the common good, and no one sought to enslave anybody else. you have to imagine it because it doesn't exist

>>60640182
I still want to know what "pick me" means in that context? Who would "picking me"?

>>60640192
You can not seperate people from their wants and needs.
What you're suggesting is becoming automata, erasing the self, and just working towards some abstract "goal"
What is this goal exactly?

>>60640192
>imagine if human nature wasn't real
if this is the basic tennant of communism then no wonder only 17 year old girls take it seriously lmao

>>60640198
Pick me is more or less preaching to something or anything in the view of gaining acceptance to a person or group. Usually it devolves into derogatory slang rather than having any true meaning.

>>60640144
>You forgot to mention LAO, cambodia, or vietnam. So yes communism has been attempted and only in backwater chink countries can it sort of work.
Did Laos, Cambodia, and Vietnam really abolish currency?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lao_kip
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cambodian_riel
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnamese_%C4%91%E1%BB%93ng

>>60640210
>im going to imagine scenarios that are impossible to achieve in order to discredit the main argument that entirely hinges on false scenarios

>>60640215
Well, yes, if it's impossible to abolish money, than it is impossible to practice communism.

>>60640201
the "goal" is to escape the perpetual cycle of self-destruction and misery that humans pointlessly inflict on each other

>>60640041 (OP)
>explain why communism is bad
government runs everything

>Is death under a state worse than death under a market?

>Do we count poverty deaths under capitalism as system failures or individual ones?

>What would centrally planned logistics look like with modern AI and real-time sensors?

>Can a non-capitalist economy function in a global system rigged by patents, sanctions, and debt traps?

>If Amazon can allocate goods across continents with algorithmic precision, what could a digital Gosplan do?

>Why did socialist economies industrialize faster than colonial states left to capitalism?

>>60640224
It's not only impossible, it's not ideal
money is basically just points to whoever adds more value to the wider economy

>>60640224
I get your point, but saying that communism has never been attempted is like saying the united states is a purely capitalist nation.

Sure we have social programs including housing, food stamps, medicaid, etc etc which is the antithesis of capitalism. But im not gonna discredit that the united states is a completely capitalistic nation.

>>60640230
>the goal is to deny human nature
an ideology of teenage girls basically

>>60640230
>to escape the perpetual cycle of self-destruction and misery that humans pointlessly inflict on each other
Yes and this occurs because people have different wants and needs.
I want humans to colonize mars, someone else might want to use out resources to explore the sea instead.
We have 500 bottles of medicine and it can only save 500 people from dying. I am sick, so naturally I want that bottle.

What you're suggesting is that all people just suddenly agree on everything, which is identical to just erasing our wants and needs.

>>60640237
If socialism was bound to be successful why did stalin manufacture famines in ukraine?

>>60640249
because some people should be more equal than others
communist party members should be the most equal obviously

>>60640248
I'm not suggesting anything, I'm telling you what the ideal is, if your "solution" is to erase human will that's on you. you will certainly find people who agree with that viewpoint

>>60640239
>But im not gonna discredit that the united states is a completely capitalistic nation.
Well, I would since social services and EBT/Snap is literally socialism.

>>60640253
If socialism was bound to be successful. Why did stalin entertain and overlook genocides in the balkans to further his socialist agenda?

>>60640249
>if socialism was good, then why did one world leader do x or y?
I'm not some commie faggot (aka 1920's Stalinist/Leninist), and I really don't give a shit about what happened in the past in the anglosphere.

>>60640258
I would reckon that a purely capitalistic country devolves into an oligarchy nation just as much as a purely communist country devolves into an autocratic nation with centralized power like north korea

Both absolutes are a nightmare

>>60640112
Did you know that there were doctors, engineers,etc in communist regimes? Do you know what drove them. Hint, it wasn't torture.

>>60640269
Did you know that in communist cuba, doctors make less than taxi drivers?

>>60640268
>I would reckon that a purely capitalistic country devolves into an oligarchy nation
How do you figure?

>>60640275
janitors in america make more money than software engineers in europe
the more socialism the poorer the people are but that's ok because they're more equal or something

>>60640123
>has never been tried
Maybe because the utopian communist vision is a wild impossible fantasy, which is why even attempting to deploy it in real world economies is always nothing short of catastrophic in all cases

>>60640256
The ideal is unrealistic.

Here's another one:
There's a famine and there's only enough food for a little half over the population in the city to survive.
The state decides who they will kill for the greater good, and you're one of the people who will die because you were not considered essential.
Now do you feel nothing at all? Do you just lay down and accept that it's all for the greater good of humanity?

>>60640275
What's the best documentary and book on Cuba in your opinion?
I'm currently reading "On China" by Kissinger.

>>60640285
Cause of niggas like these including JP morgan and US steel in the early 1900s buying up all the smaller companies and centralizing control

>>60640275
In communism you wouldn't care because you wouldn't be straddled with debt and working long hours just to support yourself. And it's only going to get worse.

>>60640310
>Cause of niggas like these including JP morgan and US steel in the early 1900s buying up all the smaller companies and centralizing control
Okay, but isn't shit like that happening anyway?

Also I never knew John D Rockefeller looked like Better Call Saul.

Both pure communism and pure capitalism devolves into a horseshoe of complete autocratic control and centralization of power

>>60640318
Yeah basically

>>60640041 (OP)
Communism assumes a number of things that are entirely antithetical to human nature and the physical world
>we can all get along and nobody will ever, EVER be greedy or ambitious ever again
>material scarcity doesn't exist
>human ingenuity and innovation has completely peaked, and nothing novel will ever be invented again
I'm not even trying to be harsh on it. The ideology requires all of those things just to begin

>>60640123
So communism means everything free for everyone. Shit its self evident why that is fucking stupid and unworkable, I don't have to explain shit.

>>60640331
>>human ingenuity and innovation has completely peaked, and nothing novel will ever be invented again
Why is THIS necessary for communism?

>>60640337
That is one of the two core tenants marx argued had already been satisfied in the mid 1800s
Because there is no more innovation, there need not be 'greedy' businesses 'exploiting' workers while the business owners reap the profit for providing said innovation/invention. If there is nothing novel to make or provide, then the owners and bosses become unnecessary and irrelevant, leaving the laborers to magically run the industry without oversight or hierarchy.

>>60640360
*tenets