Yes thats for 40 hours work per week.
And that is before absurd fuel prices and further taxes (TV tax, VAR).
The German Government got one of the best systems to exploit wagies that was ever created.
Keep that in mind when you whine the next time about 60k salary mutts.

Im talking about net salary

On the other hand, breaking an arm in Germany doesn't ruin you financially.

>>60683596 (OP)
Australia is getting just as bad. Food is just about unaffordable now, meat is a luxury, and nobody is managing. There's also no point in earning over a certain amount because the tax takes most of it.

What is it for ethnic germans?

>>60683601
Ok true but that would all be archievable with 10% of the income for health reasons.
But its 20%, and we pay an absurdly expensive and ineffective health system and millions of foreigners get it for free.

>>60683604
Not much better.
>>60683603
Interesting yeah. I habe to say beef prices exploded but otherwise meat prices are ok.

>>60683601
not paying your monthly mandatory health insurance payments can result in you going to prison in germany.

>>60683608
I'm not super aware of how it is in Germany, but here in Belgium the simple fact of the matter is that I'm living a super comfy life on a net salary of 30k with no financial worries or risk at all.
I've always found it a bit weird how in America making less than 100k/year is considered poorfag-tier, especially since the standard of living isn't even higher there, just more expensive.

>>60683596 (OP)
What is that in China?

>>60683620
As a single person you are very comfy with 30k aswell. But try to substain a family with that lol. The biggest problem is also that the real tax is above 60%, its crazy how much more you work for but the government takes it away.
Burgers are just spoiled here.

>>60683622
Grok says 8k euro in a year

>>60683629
(median after tax)

>>60683625
>But try to substain a family with that lol.
I'd really rather not.

>>60683625
no one explains to me how the burgers (who are literally retarded) are so rich compared to the germans or japanese who are much higher iq and more efficient are still somehow poorer. the average wage here is is 80k-100k aud (50-70k usd and that is fucking meagre. no one can afford to do anything not necessarily because things and activities are so expensive. but because the price of housing is so high there is no disposable income leftover if you want to get a mortgage to own your own home. why are mutts so fucking rich can someone explain please

>>60684026
Simple, they fell for the socialism meme. In this very thread you have some retard bragging about going to the doctor

>>60683601
Just a matter of time. Look at the population pyramid.
A gigantic wave of fat elderly boomers is hitting the hospitals soon. Health insurance will balloon to unimaginable proportions.

>>60683596 (OP)
Lmao, disabled white high school drop outs on givsmedat make more than that

>>60684060
In USA. I forgot europe doesn’t even have social media and has to gibsmedat USA for their technology

>>60683596 (OP)
I think the average in the UK is about 32k and thats with London included.

Then we get cucked with tax that goes to housing immigrants meanwhile the country is a poverty stricken shithole with a lower quality of life than the average third world country

>>60684026
>why are mutts so fucking rich can someone explain please

We're not. The average median mutt is still broke. We just have 350M people so there's still a relatively high number of rich people.

>>60684026
Because euroaches exist off gibsmedat. If it weren’t for gibsmedat, white euroaches wouldn’t even exist. It’s a form of evolutionary dei that favors the stupid and retarded (ie white). Hence why Europe is irrelevant on the global economy. Does Europe even have technology? No one mentions European technology in the news. So all of Europe is based on de-evolutionary forces. Same with white USA. Where the dumb get dumber and gibsmedat furthers the existence of the dumb and dumber. Thankfully brown people have cars and can live away from white people in loseriana and cuckaho and cuckbraska. Fucking loser states. You notice how all the major states are full of brown people. Those states keep the entire country going. If not for California, New York, Washington state, USA would be a war torn third world narcotic country

>>60683596 (OP)
What is their monthly cost of living?

They really tricked you fools didn't they? "But we'll give you Free (TM) healthcare!*"**

*comes directly out of your massive tax burden regardless
**also your wage is much lower

>>60684095
Those american companies are based in California and new York which means employees there pay 30% like germans and don't get free healthcare or education despite paying that much
>California billboard says "Your tax dollars at work, look at the flawless road!"

>>60683603
Also if your car breaks down you have to spend your life savings getting it repaired.
It would be nice if we could consider cars coverable under healthcare (mechanicare) and get our otherwise financially crippling repairs subsidised.

>>60683596 (OP)
Germans are also very hard to fire.

>>60684026
Mostly the dollar as its a world currency and people around the world pump your bags. Also the government is less greedy.

>>60684094
Around 2k for a single

>>60683596 (OP)
you WILL pay for your replacements, Hans

>>60684115

is that your cope?

>>60683596 (OP)
$60k in usa is about $3300 a month after taxes, insurance, and modest 10% pre-tax retirement contributions.

a 1 bedroom apartment is $1800/month on average. utilities (gas, water, trash, sewer) is another $300/month.

a car, which you need in 90% of muttistan, has an all-in cost of about 70 cents a mile to operate -- assuming you don't have a loan or lease on it. average workday commute is 15 miles each way so that's $400/month in operating costs.

food is $400/month.

basic phone plan is $40/month.

we're already up to $2940/month of expenses on your $3300/month take-home pay. better hope you don't have any student loans, consumer debt, medical debt (deductible is typically $3-5k), etc.

>>60683601
>On the other hand, breaking an arm in Germany doesn't ruin you financially.

lmao. do you know how socialist systems balance their costs vs their income? by putting people on waiting list.

"yes yes its free. everything free here in germany. you got an aggressive cancer that kills you in 6 month? we'll put you to see a specialist, next availability is in 2 years. thanks and remember to pay your health insurance until then bye".

>>60684242
I saw it in person. They pay 33% tax on 100k in new york. German level.

>>60684260
do you think this doesn't occur in the USA? if it's not a covered drug/treatment they deny it. if you use too much insurance you get a pushed through what is called utilization review, where they reject everything they can.

>>60684301

Yeah but you're getting taxed 33% on $150k in NY or CA, and getting taxed 33% on $50k in Germany lmao

>>60683596 (OP)
Living in Germany was very comfy but I was given an apartment on a U.S base. I could get groceries there too free if sales tax. I'd love to live in Garmisch and somehow be able to go on the small base there for groceries and gas

>>60683601

>>60684321
You can make 150k in Denmark after a few years

>>60684026
White Americans aren't any lower IQ than Europoors. We just have an aggressively trashy / low class culture.

>>60684252
That "modest" retirement is probably already higher then the median germans get. Car is even more expensive here, food minimally cheaper. In the end 30k after tax seems the same as 60k pre tax in the usa tho.

>>60684026
Friendly reminder the entire remainder of this thread exists inside the parenthesis this anon forgot to close off

>>60684524
a fellow man of the autistic persuasion.

>>60684524
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>>60683596 (OP)
The median german salary is €46000 which is more than the UK at €43000.

Germany is literally tutorial mode.

>>60683620
Disgusting europoor, I earn 83k euros in the Netherlands and it's not enough for me, but then again I'm an ambitious nigger that wants to make it and escape the cage, not like you, you pathetic lazy weakling

Why are Europeons allowed to create a semi operational free market system that in the end is literally just a means to sustain the operations of the state and further their agendas? Why can't they just adopt the free market system in its entirety instead of creating some bastardized version where it's just a vehicle to fund a bureaucratic communist paradise where you are paying 40% of your income to give it away to non-westerners? Are Europeons retarded?

>>60683596 (OP)
>The median household income in the United States was $77,719 in 2023. This figure represents the midpoint of all household incomes, meaning half of all households earned more and half earned less.
If you and your wife both work and euros/USD, the life of a German worker is better than that of an American worker.

>>60683601
As much as I appreciate the system it has allowed too many retards to live much longer than they should at the expense of the cautious and sensible.

>>60684629
This I'm paying for a healthcare tax for literal niggers and faggots, the weak should fear the strong.

>>60683601
I've broken my arm before and it cost me about $250 for the ER visit and like $300 for the follow up visits. Not great, but not terrible.

>>60684252
im in Canada and my phone plan is $20 a month

>>60684644
Yeah people extremely overstate the cost of US healthcare and understate the cost of european.

For example in the UK prescriptions cost, dentistry costs. Most companies now offer some degree of private cover. Then tbqh if you want a specialist referral in time to save your organ you'll pay the £300 initial appointment to skip the queue. For example things like neurology are a 2 year waiting time. Things like hernia repairs or cataract surgery basically don't happen on the NHS, you'll die before you ever get it.

>>60684690
$40/month is USA gets you one of those nigger tier prepaid phone plans. you want a big goy phone plan with att/tmobile/verizon its generally like $80-100/month after all of the assraping taxes and fees.

>>60683599
I'm Belgian and I make ~50k net a year.
late 30s, manager in a semi public sector company. I also get over 40 vacation days (the actual number is a lot higher)
My wife makes about 30k net.

>>60683625
I know this doesn't fit into your chudcel tradwife fantasy, but this is why you get a woman that works and contributes income. Welcome to the 21st century, thats the way it is whether you like it or not.

>>60684585
Why do you want to escape? Sex with hot women is already the ultimate sensation and you don’t need money for it. It’s just not worth it chasing money, just have a job you somewhat enjoy at least and where you help your fellow countrymen.

>>60684905
To any americans: This is supposed to be a flex

Btw i could never live in USA just because of the homeless people and general violence. That is what people mean by europe having higher living standards than USA. Not needing to watch homeless people or be in fear of violence. It’s weird that americans don’t talk more about it considering how drastic the difference is.

>>60685297
I saw a homeless guy 30 seconds after walking past trump tower.

How do americans allow this?

>>60685984
We're not allowed to just kill them.

>>60683596 (OP)
I forget what the term is, but in Germany can't you sit back and collect neetbucks indefinitely? It's like 1000 or 2000 euros a month. I forget what the term is called but basically all you have to do is attend job interviews maintain it. And maybe I read you get a flat too?

>>60683596 (OP)

>>60686043
they pay for the apartment, internet, gas, electricity and a few other things as far as I know and you get 550€ on top of that per month for food and whatever you want. for a lot of people with shitty wages, especially in bigger cities where rent is high its usually always better to use the "burgergeld" instead of waging. cant blame them, they arent the ones who came up with this retarded system. they do however fuck you up with stupid courses and programs you have to attend otherwise they gut your 550€.

>>60686023
Yeah but you allow them near a guys house with more than 3000 million dollars

>>60685297
Even the whites are violent and expressive I saw it in the Bronx.
It's weird.

>>60684586
They want to be like the US but the greed of not truly united countries makes this impossible.
So the EU cronies take advantage of this and funnel the money to themselves to force migration and end racial european pride.
All easily fixed if europeans admitted they are whites and not italian, dutch etc..

>>60686832
>to force migration and end racial european pride.
That doesn't end racial pride.

>>60683601
Doesn't ruin me either. I'm white myself so I have health insurance

>>60683601
how many arms do you break each year?
what the fuck are you doing lol

>>60683629
>grok says
Kill yourself.

>>60683596 (OP)
JewSA has a market economy with much less regulation than the EU, Cucknada or Aus/NZ, which means businesses can actually be profitable, and profitable businesses tend to invest in themselves to grow which means more employment and higher salaries. It's not perfect nor incorruptible but it's practically much better than socialist shitholes which rape productive members of society only to give their wealth and income to old fucks, women, disabled retards and browns/niggers. It's fundamentally a boomer problem, they're the ones who started the nanny state bullshit which has led all the way to their children and grandchildren being dispossessed of property and replaced by foreigners in their own countries. It's happened in JewSA too with social security but luckily that's "only" a 10% tax on people who aren't useless and the rest of the taxes aren't then bad plus higher salary balances it out in favor of Burgerstan (for now).
>>60684089
>Washington state
9/10 b8. You're a nigger though.
t. Bellinghamfag

>>60684026
>how the burgers (who are literally retarded) are so rich
very simple
EU and the rest of the anglosphere taxes their population into oblivion
US has high taxes but even not close to EU levels

it's another episode of ameriburger chud not understanding how good the quality of life in europe is and underestimating how much amerimutts get ripped off every day

>>60684252
What the fuck is this post? 1800 for a one bedroom? That's not even remotely normal in the US unless maybe in some fagsville city. Last I checked rents are around 800 to 1300 for a one bedroom, unless you get kiked which can go up to 1600ish, but this is nowhere near the norm. Utilities are usually included in the higher costing rents too.

Gas costs are variable, city driving eats more gas than highway driving, and people live all over the place and commute all over the place. America is very poorly designed for its current population and social/cultural setup, mostly in the cities, though suburbs are getting crazy traffic now too. Cuck cars, population caps and not letting women drive are unironically the solution to this.

Phone is accurate.

Food is generally accurate, but you can maybe shave off a 100. Buy in bulk, obviously.

Student debt can be pushed off via forbearance or deferment, the fact millennials have still not found their balls to just all not pay all at once is baffling to me.

"Can make it" tier starts at 50k in the US, as long as you're not in some HCoL area. Bad health and auto episodes can set you back years though and if you have no/low job security, you shouldn't do anything but save. The big issue with this income level is the spook of inflation on MANDATORY things that can drag you into the land of the poors. And when quality goes down and prices go up, future prospects become increasingly sketchier.

Overall? 60k is pretty good comparatively to a lot of the world. The big issues are being tied to your job/overall quality of the community you live in, getting financially destroyed because something dreadful happened and having a boring life because you live a minimalist life with relation to costs. Not that I've visited Europe, but I think being poorer over there is better than in the US and maybe a better society/culture. Because of how the "western world" has worked, they often share similar (and serious) problems.

>>60684350
South Germany (Baden Württemberg and Bavaria) is top tier Germany, the rest is meh.
>t. lives in the south

>>60683603
Are we living in the same Australia? Petrol, food, and other day to day stuff I don’t think is terribly expensive. I don’t make a great deal of money either by Aussie standards.

When I was in Singapore last year I found most stuff to be more expensive than here in Aus but the chances that you would earn more than here are slim unless you’re a suit and tie corporate worker. Japan was moderately cheaper when I went there in 2020 but salaries are half what they are in Aus.

>>60684026
the main difference is that you choose how you're going to be gouged. You can either risk it by acting poor then becoming rich or just take the socialist route and move to a blue city where 50% of your 100k paycheck goes to necessities and then you have to actively manage your wealth.

America is high risk high reward
Europe is medium risk low reward

I make 35 an hour in a state that does not collect any income taxes. My rent is 800 dollars per month. My student loans are 150 per month. Life is good in fly over state land.

>>60688457
food is cheap too. This is how much I pay for groceries every 2 and a half weeks.

>>60688461
also sales taxes in my state are about 6%

>>60684026
That's because intelligence is a meme. It's a cope for poor fags to feel "superior" somehow.

>>60684252
a 1 bedroom apartment is not 1800$. The national average is 1633+150 utilities, so 1800 if anything is AFTER utilities, and utilities arent 300$, thats the one advantage you have in the US, low utilities compared to europe.

>>60688461
American shops suddenly spring tips and taxes on you

>>60684260
>by putting people on waiting list.
We have these in the US. It's called " pre authorization", wherein the insurance company that has a vested in denying you treatment (because it costs money) decides if you "need" the service.

I had to fight 8 fucking months back and forth for an MRI which I still had to pay $450 out of pocket.

We were all happier when we didn't know how much Americans make.

>>60688487
https://www.rentcafe.com/average-rent-market-trends/us/

$1750/month is the national average for a 1 bedroom.

idk what planet you live on but $100-150/month is the average electricity bill. calc it out yourself, the average 1 br apartment draws 600-800 kwh per month and the average cost of electricity is 18 cents per kwh.

now add in water and sewer. i pay $150 combined for both.

>>60688437
Yeah I liked the area nearby Badem Baden and lake Konstanz a bunch too

>>60688275
see >>60689005 $1750/mo is national average. shithole apartments in my flyover hometown rent for $800/month but you arent making $60k/year because the median HOUSEHOLD income is only $57k a year.

the vehicle costs i quoted is the IRS standard mileage rate which is the federal government's "all-in" calculation for vehicle operation costs (excluding financing/leasing.)

>>60683596 (OP)
i make 275k and it doesn't feel like much especially when its a W2 and you can't write off a single fucking thing. why should livestreamers get to write off all their game consoles and vidya and I pay full price?

so i just pirate everything

Test

>>60689015
100-150$ is an insane electricity bill even by European taxed out of your ass standards unless you are using that electricity for heat or something. That said, Germany and the US are actually quite similar when you compare income vs housing expenses with some minor differences.
If you are living in the cheapest areas, flyover US is even less % of your income in Germany but both are low sub 25%. On average in both countries you are looking at something like 30-35%. If you are living in an expensive city like munich you are getting raped just like in New York with >50%. The only meaningful difference is that in the US you earn more in absolute terms but you also Pay more, which means if you can squeeze out more savings you are at a slight advantage, but in relative terms you’re basically in the same situation.

>>60684585
ZZP'er here, I make 120K in the Netherlands and thats plenty to start snowballing. My cost of living is like 1500 a month, including mortgage. Just invest everything else.

>>60684026
Dollar milkshake pretty much. Also the USA as a whole is very rich (like 25% of world GDP) but it also unequal as fuck. The top 20-30% in the US is waaay better off than the equivalent in the rest of the West. But their bottom 50% or so is way, way worse of than anyone in Europe or Asia.

>>60689118
>100-150$ is an insane electricity bill even by European taxed out of your ass standards unless you are using that electricity for heat or something.
Fuck are you talking about, the Dutch median energy bill is around 250 euros a month, granted, I think we have the highest energy taxes in the world. But German, Danish etc energy bills get pretty close.

>>60689121
Nice, I have my company opened and was aiming for 85-95 euros an hour but got fixed employment now (30% ruling) so I'm okay for now but then will need to change definitely. How do you have only 1.5k costs of living I spend 3-3.5k per month with my mortgage of 1.5k. seems ridiculous cheap for the Netherlands.
Also I'm so tired of waging hope we get 160-180k in BTC so I can stop, though the money from waging is somewhat good

>>60689161
I was considering the energy bills you would have for a 1 bed room apartment because that’s what the context was. Of course a 2-3 bedroom apartment especially with multiple people living in it will have way higher energy costs.

>>60689196
>How do you have only 1.5k costs of living
I have a mortgage of 800 a month (borrowed cheap) and I work like 100 hours a week, so I am never home to consume water, electricity or anything. The rest is food and such. Insurance, phone, internet etc I all put on business expenses.


I love working, I love every day seeing that I made things and created value.Renteneering niggers like you are a drain on society. Its why our pensionfunds have like 2 trillion Euros in assets to pay for parasites. Work untill you die. You are not Dutch, you lack a Calvinist work discipline.
>30% ruling
Goddamn expat parasite immigrant, get the fuck out.

>>60689257
Ahahahah seething manlet, I bet you're not even 1.85m tall nor blonde, stfu and pay your taxes for me, also don't forget to report on crypto to the belasting you cuck. Afaik I'm more productive than Mohhamed and all the niggers in the randstand but I guess you like diversity faggot. Don't worry once the ruling is out I'm working on my company and fucking off, imagine paying taxes to a government that's killing you. Nigger

I know this is anti pratiotic to say but I realised the other day all my problems come from being European. Like if I was American, I would have had a car since I was 16, I would have lived in my own place since I was 18 and I could make 150k being the manager of a dominos pizza place. I wish my great grandparents would have left for the new world. I kneel, Americans. You are truly superior.

>>60689421

Idk why people in Yurop are so delusional, if they could do the 1st thing (accept they are falling behind) they could start demanding reforms from their leaders and maybe spur some new growth. Instead they've somehow indoctrinated an entire continent of people into thinking it's better to live a serf life, you will own nothing, you will live in the box, but you will get free healthcare! (slaves in the US had free healthcare)

>>60689421
>delusional euronigger who has never worked more than 30 hours a week in his entire life thinks he would be a trillionaire if only he lived in america
hey nigger that dominos pizza general manager works 60 hours a week and gets 10 days of paid vacation in an entire year. hes making $60k on salary and saves very little beyond retirement (which he cant touch until age 60.) >>60684252

Ive been to America. Ive seen their homeless. The homeless literally have better smartphones than normal people in Europe. They beg you to send them money on cashapp. American homeless have the latest iphone. All my friends have uni degrees and they buy chinese phones.

Americans are simply better. Money is everything in life. And those who are able to get more money are better at the game of life.

>>60689444

No he doesn't. Most retail/food managers in the US make $40-80k with a typical 40 hour work week and then overtime if they're over that pushing them up closer to $100k. If you actually like working there is no better place to be than here.

The meme about absolute retards somehow making enough to afford a big house and truck is real. This is a worker/consumer paradise. And it isn't even obligatory, if you wanted to keep it small, do some low key wagie job for $30-40k and live in a cuck shack you can do that here too. We have options, Yuros do not.

>>60689503
> Most retail/food managers in the US make $40-80k with a typical 40 hour work week and then overtime if they're over that pushing them up closer to $100k. If you actually like working there is no better place to be than here.

you're completely wrong and you have no idea what you're talking about, retard. i worked retail and fast food when i was a teenager. the managers (general manager and assistant GM) are universally on salary with no overtime. they work a lot of hours because there is typically only 1 GM per store, and if the assistant GM and/or shift managers aren't complete retards they might be expected to run the show while the GM works slave hours covering other stores in the immediate area.

>>60689515

Do you realize how retarded you are? You're posting an "in training" associate store manager salary of $45-60k. Doctors get paid that much in Europe.

>>60689524
wrong again, nigger retard. assistant managers make much less ON SALARY. shift managers make even less, like $18/hour (HOURLY.)

>>60683596 (OP)
Europeans are poor, simple as that. I am in disbelief everytime I see euro software engineers and doctor salaries.

>>60689524
>>60689532

>>60689532

How funny that the one that supports my thesis has the salary listed and yours doesn't faggoto. Wrong again? Nigga you're the one cherrypicking this shit lmao I could easily btfo you if I did a quick breeze through indeed

>>60689547
shut your big nigger lips you dumb fucking retard.

>>60689551
>>60689544

OH NO NO

LOOK AT THE TOP OF HIS HEAD

>>60689554
hey little nigger go read the employee reviews. i worked at a red lobster and an olive garden in college. the GMs, both of whom visibly hated their lives, worked 6-7 days a week on salary.

>>60689571

Damn, you worked at every single restaurant huh? You must be a massive fucking loser. Regardless, managers in the US make as much as doctors and engineers in Europe and you are literally posting data that confirms this. Apparently you have no clue how little they earn there or else you wouldn't be posting $50 and $60k salaries as "epic owns."

THAT IS A FUCKING DOCTOR SALARY IN EUROPE

>>60689584
> You must be a massive fucking loser.
im currently at work (from home) at my $155k + 15% bonus + $60k/4 yr options job. what do you do for a living?

>>60683601
Even Walshart provides insurance bro

>>60689594

Oh damn the online larper not only worked at every single restaurant and intimately knows their salary bands and work schedules, he now has a fantastic work from home tech job! It's crazy how you can be everything conveniently at once bitch ass

>>60689626
i dont work in tech, retard. it's also hilarious that you simultaneously view 1) my income as absurdly unattainable the point of being a LARP and 2) $80-100k in a service industry job while working only 40 hours a week as something realistic and attainable.

>>60689130
This is cope

>>60684252
that all sounds like good reasons to CUT TAXES so people keep more of the money they earned for themselves.

Face it, if people are struggling to buy food/houses/medical, its a grave injustice to them to take so much of the money they earned and spend it on useless bullshit they dont need or foreign aid/wars.

>>60684260
in canada, they say we have free health care, but like you say, huge waiting lists that kill patients who wait too long...

also lots of stuff is not even covered, buddy i knew and my mum both were out of pocket 10's of thousands for medical care that they needed.

Thankfully if you need 60k to cut your dick off that is fully covered, thanks liberals!

>>60683596 (OP)
30k euros is like 100k amerikan dolirs

>>60692276
It's 35k

Americans are simply superior. An American nurse makes more than most surgeons in Europe. A manager in a dominos pizza restaurant or a macdonalds, makes more than our engineers. I can feel it. Americans are always optimistic, always happy. I often travel to Asia and I hate when I come across other Europeans. You can see it in their faces. Europeans are always sad and depressed whereas Americans are always optimistic.

Materialism is true. It's the materialistic conditions what determine our morals. The more you have, the better you are.

>>60689015
>We just GOTTA use the statistics I'm bringing up!
>We just gotta...ok!?!?
What are you even arguing anymore? You pulled out insane rent prices to sound like a victim and then simultaneously quoted rent in a flyover state at 800. Stop posting, people can make it, should make it and try to lift up others who are appreciative and also want to make it.

You don't sound like someone who wants to make it or wants others to do so.