Welcome to the /XMR/ Monero General, dedicated to the discussion of the world's most widely adopted privacy coin.

Monero payments are anonymous, low-fee by design and fully fungible, meaning users can send XMR globally without issue and receive XMR without having to worry about tainted coins. Battle-tested privacy tech (Ring Signatures, Stealth Addresses and RingCT) ensures that critical TX data cannot be gleaned from the Monero blockchain. Thus by default, the TX history of all Monero users is kept hidden from the prying eyes of adversaries, with TXs being optionally transparent via the aid of a view key.

Monero algorithmically ensures low TX fees by employing a dynamic (elastic) block size that can "stretch" to easily accommodate sudden TX spikes.

Monero's bespoke mining algorithm, RandomX, is optimized for devices using general-purpose CPUs e.g. desktops, laptops, smartphones, tablets, keeping the barrier to entry low and ASICs out of the equation.

Monero's tail emission - 0.6 XMR every block forever - financially incentives for-profit miners to keep mining, helping boost long-term network security. This constant linear inflation asymptotically trends to zero and is offset somewhat by a steady rate of coin loss.

Monero has thus far proven to be the only altcoin capable of overcoming BTC's network effect by driving it out of the darknet economy BTC dominated for over 10 years. Monero is now also starting to overtake BTC in clearnet commerce as well. See below.

If you still have questions, feel free to ask and a MoneroChad will be with you shortly.


XMR Redpill: https://yewtu.be/watch?v=wq6w03E2DS4

XMR Resources: https://libereco.xyz/resources/

XMR Stats: moneroj.net

USE XMR: https://cryptwerk.com/pay-with/xmr/

OFFICIAL WEBSITE - getmonero.org

WHERE TO BUY XMR: https://i.imgur.com/XdppsQ7.png
Crypto ATMs: see kycnot.me

>MINING
archive.is/TWOah

HOW TO STORE MONERO?

>Desktop
Official GUI/CLI
Featherwallet

>Mobile
IOS: Cakewallet
Android: Monerujo

PREVIOUS THREAD: >>60691393

START MINING IN P2POOL
>START MINING IN P2POOL
START MINING IN P2POOL
>START MINING IN P2POOL

P2Pool combines the advantages of pool and solo mining; you still fully control your Monero node and what it mines, but you get frequent payouts like on a regular pool.

P2Pool has no central server that can be shut down/blocked because it uses a separate blockchain to merge mine with Monero. There's no pool admin that can control what your hashrate is used for or decide who can mine on the pool and who can't. It's permissionless!

Decentralized pool mining (P2Pool) is pretty much the ultimate way to secure a PoW coin against 51% attacks. Once P2Pool reaches & maintains 51%+ of the total network hashrate, Monero will be essentially invulnerable to such attacks.

Although many inexperienced miners think that bigger pools give better profits, this is absolutely NOT the case. Your profits in the long run depend ONLY on your hashrate, NOT on the pool's hashrate.


>YOU CAN NOW MINE IN P2POOL FASTER & EASIER THAN EVER BEFORE WITH THE GUPAX GUI. USES TRUSTED REMOTE NODES BY DEFAULT!!!!

1. Download the *bundled* version of Gupax for your OS here: https://gupax.io/downloads/
2. Extract somewhere (Desktop, Documents, etc)
3. Launch Gupax
4. Input your Monero address in the [P2Pool] tab. USE A SEPARATE MINING-ONLY WALLET!
5. Select a Community Monero Node that you trust, although you can and should run your own node if possible.
6. Start P2Pool
7. Start XMRig

VIDEO GUIDE: https://gupax.io/guide/

You are now mining to your own instance of P2Pool, welcome to the world of decentralized peer-to-peer mining!

>NOTE THAT DUE TO BOTNET SHENANIGANS XMRIG IS AUTO-FLAGGED AS MALWARE BY MOST ANTI-VIRUSES, SO DON'T FREAK OUT!!!


OLD GUIDE FOR P2POOL MINING FROM THE MONERO GUI WALLET: https://pst.klgrth.io/paste/eecbe

https://www.reddit.com/r/MoneroMining
https://web.xmrpool.eu/xmr-monero-easy-mining-guide.html
https://monero.hashvault.pro/en/getting-started
https://www.supportxmr.com

*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
>*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****
>*****/XMR/ Monero General Info-Dump*****


Learn more about Monero's key features and excellent future prospects, have some common misconceptions dispelled and discover the cold hard facts about Bitcoin, Zcash and PirateChain. Also featured is a noob-friendly buying, storage and wallet guide.


>Monero: it's what new Bitcoin users think they bought. Every feature, explained
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org


>Why Monero is so untraceable: a rundown of the powerful stealth tech Monero utilizes
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroIsUntraceable


>The Writing on the Wall: Monero replacing Bitcoin as the new standard
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#MoneroReplacingBitcoin


>Breaking News: no, Monero still isn't traceable
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#RecognizingTraceabilityFUD


>Vaporware: why nobody is worried about CipherTrace's magic crystal ball
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#CipherTraceFail


>Very Clever Math: how we can verify that the XMR supply isn't being inflated
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org/#MuhInflationBug


>Pssst, wanna buy some Monero? Follow these simple how-to guides
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BuyAndStoreMonero


>Bitcoin: The Original Non-Fungible Token
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#BitcoinBlackpill


>Why Monero is Better than Zcash: the "privacy coin" criminals won't touch
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#ZcashBlackpill


>The Lowdown on PirateChain: why this Zcash clone is considered a scam
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org#PirateChainBlackpill


>LATEST UPDATES

- added Proof-of-Stake update to Zcash Blackpill
- added list of available desktop/mobile wallets
- expanded all sections with more relevant info, graphics & videos
- added easily linkable headers and sub-headers (link icon to the far right)
- added a new section about traceability FUD

Never forget what this is ultimately all about. Don't be a HODLtard.

https://archive.is/YBnPG
https://freedomcells.org/

>Help grow the circular Monero economy: buy/sell goods & services with/for XMR!

https://monerica.com/
https://xmrbazaar.com/
https://www.reddit.com/r/moneromarket/new/
https://kycnot.me/?t=service&q=&xmr=on

>Shop on Amazon with XMR!
https://monezon.com
https://peershop.app

>Live off XMR with Cake Pay (now available in 140+ countries!)
https://cakepay.com/

>or with CoinCards
https://coincards.com/


>Monero stickers for guerilla marketing
http://monerosupplies.com/

>Anonymous burner phone numbers
https://silent.link/

>Monero-only VPS hosting
https://kyun.host/

>Win XMR!
https://monero.vegas/


Say buh-bye to Bitcoin and support the growing number of Monero-only darknet markets/vendors.

# = recently launched, exercise caution

>Alias Market #
>Asur Market
>Babylon #
>Calypso #
>Candy Haven #
>Chimera Market
>Cloud Market
>Cypher Market
>Dark Matter
>DrugHub #
>DrugTown #
>Drugula #
>FilthyFellas
>Gofish Market #
>Gramazon #
>Hectate Market #
>Mercury Market #
>Pygmalion's Refuge
>Retro Market
>Smackers
>Sonanza Market #
>Squid Market
>SuperMarket #
>Tribe Seuss
>Whales Market #
>Wizard's Palace #
>World Trade Center #
Links: https://pastebin.com/raw/fF95wTNi


Anonymously exchange BTC for XMR using a reputable darknet service

>Infinity Project
https://pastebin.com/raw/75mVpfED

or a reputable clearnet service

https://trocador.app/en/ | I2P: http://trocador.i2p/en/
https://xmrswap.me
https://unstoppableswap.net
http://basicswapdex.com


>Want to support further development?
https://ccs.getmonero.org/donate/
https://monerofund.org/

>Join a Monero Workgroup and (potentially) earn XMR!!!
https://www.getmonero.org/community/workgroups/

>Want more Monero-chan?
https://www.monerochan.art/

>How to *safely* acquire, store and spend XMR

An optimal XMR user set-up involves 2 separate wallets: an offline cold wallet (savings account) and an online hot wallet (chequing account) for everyday spending. XMR amounts larger than a few hundred dollars worth should not be stored on a hot wallet for obvious reasons. So ideally, you'll want to direct all payments/donations to your cold wallet by default and then transfer smaller amounts over to your hot wallet as necessary.

Relying on 3rd party hardware wallets comes with certain security caveats so they are not recommended. Instead, its surprisingly easy to engineer a very robust storage solution yourself using readily available hardware: a laptop and a smartphone.

>Laptop

This will be running Featherwallet and must be *permanently* disabled from ever connecting to the internet again! That means physically removing the M.2 Bluetooth/Wi-Fi card and gumming up the ethernet port with superglue.

OS should be Linux rather than Windows, preferably a Debian-based lightweight distro. Encrypting the relevant user directory with LUKS is recommended but not essential.

It must have a functional webcam.


>Smartphone

This can be your primary device. It will host both your hot wallet e.g. Cake, Monerujo, etc and the NERO view-only wallet that is paired with your laptop.

To set everything up: https://4rkal.com/posts/feathernero/

NOTE: if you don't have a laptop you can use another smartphone and install the ANON wallet onto it, its essentially the same thing but with somewhat weaker security guarantees. Video guide: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oJqYzZyqyno

>In a nutshell

- you accept all (substantial) payments to your cold wallet.
- you monitor incoming payments on NERO.
- you initiate the transfer of funds from your cold wallet to hot wallet on NERO and sign the TX on your laptop via QR codes.
- you spend the funds and help grow the XMR economy.


FYI this is the most secure storage solution currently available.

>Bitcoin's price = NOT the result of organic real-world supply & demand = NOT sustainable

Wash trading has been artificially driving BTC's insane price action since the first major spike in 2013.

>Wash Trading 101
1. create/maintain the illusion of high volume
2. wait for poor unsuspecting fools to FOMO in
3. dump at a fat profit and leave them holding the bag

When the supply of gullible fools finally runs out, the entire scheme implodes.

TL;DR: exciting price action means nothing in an unregulated market rife with such manipulation, real-world utilization is the ONLY reliable metric of actual value.

***** DISCLAIMER *****

The creator of this thread actively discourages holding Monero. We, the broader community of Monero, do not agree with him. Buying and holding Monero is a completely legitimate way to participate in the protocol, and we encourage you to save your wealth in XMR.

XMR is THE best store of value in the world. Not only is it highly scarce, it is entirely untraceable by any third party. No other store of value, including Bitcoin, provides the ability to anonymously hold your wealth anywhere in the world. Armed with only your seed phrase, you can literally take your private bank account anywhere without the consent or permission of anyone. It is like having an invisible stockpile of gold only you know about.

Privacy will be increasingly rare in the coming years, but the supply of Monero will barely increase. Many people understand that Monero represents the most undervalued asset in the world.

***ADDITIONAL DISCLAIMER***

The creator of this thread has been credibly accused of being a federal agent and is a self-admitted pedophile, unironically (pic related). A "fedophile" if you will. He actively pushes all potential holders of Monero away unless they agree with only using XMR in bartering scenarios. He will use straw manning tactics against anyone who advocates for saving their wealth in XMR. Anyone suggesting that Monero can preserve and hide their wealth will be called a "grifter", "moonfag", or any of several other slurs intended to end the conversation.

These tactics support the state apparatus directly by denying Monero the notoriety it deserves. Widespread use of Monero, especially through wealth preservation, starves the state of key financial information and tax farming. Pretending there is only one "legitimate" use of Monero (bake sales at Porcfest) while shunning any other uses foments fake division, a favorite strategy of the intelligence community.

Remember that many authors (W. Rees-Mogg, The Sovereign Individual) predict that states will get increasingly "nasty" as private currencies threaten their power of surveillance. The OP has strategically installed himself as the self-appointed "leader" of Monero on this board, but has no such authority to tell you how to use the best currency ever invented.

>kyc'd LTC -> XMR
any downsides to this? LTC is kyc'd and goy approved so the blockchain remembers forever.

>>60714244
>s a self-admitted pedophile, unironically (pic related).

lol disingenuous faggot. Says everything about your agenda here.

>>60714291
Whoa brah relax dude man. I'm not the one fucking kids in the ass here

>>60714291
>>60714315
>muh.....muh le pedophile!
I didn't know collective shout is now working against the XMR community. This is bullish for XMR.

based ass fucker chad

How do I profit from OP being a kiddy diddler? Financially speaking

>>60714221
you guys really need to make a better op. all these tism text walls are annoying as hell to scroll past

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2025/07/Digital-Assets-Report-EO14178.pdf
Monero won

>>60714264
No, as long as you never cash out in LTC

>>60714759
>send LTC to an address
>they later send the LTC NTF tokens to le heckin' racist and transphobic antisemitic persons
>you are associated with this flow of funds forever
Can't this conceivably cause problems? Even if not immediately it's a possibility down the line.

Threadly reminder that FCMP++ is vaporware.

>>60714539
ctrl-f monero
0 results

For me, its zcash

so who do you guys think that Dr. Trinary language Chud will attempt to fraud/ rob?
Binance?

>>60715173
Reminder that FCMP is based and will be released this year or Q1 2026

>>60714190 (OP)
also retarded OP "le anti-btc xmr reply guy"
you don't need to egg on btc to talk about monero
the gov is not ok with bitcoin, that's why they're trying to jail the main phone wallet devs

>>60714503
yes
i wish it was only one post to a bunch of rentry.org links with content there
pic related is disgusting

>>60715185

>>60715205
OP thinks that unless he inundates everyone with relentless bake sale shilling every thread then they might get the idea to save their Monero

>>60715202
>the gov is not ok with bitcoin

The gov isn't bothered by BTC because there is nothing subversive about BTC.

>>60715216

NEVER FORGET

>>60712932
>>60713313
>>60714450
good meme
millions must mine
billions must use monero

I am hoarding monero and the sperg from the previous thread cannot do a thing about it.

Monero needs upwards price pressure, and yes, the best way to get that is through organic adoption of merchants and users. But, we also need people saving in Monero to contribute to its price gains.

>>60715202
>the gov is not ok with bitcoin
are your retarded, the government is more than happy about bitshit being transparent and unusable without a custodian.

Incoming pump/dump after tornado cash ruling?

Latest maxi cope just dropped: Monero mining is literally communism.

https://stacker.news/items/1060963

>>60716735
things I don't like are COMMUNISM and if it's really bad then it's NAZISM

>>60716735
>Yesterday I came across a tweet that got me thinking.
>What I discovered surprised me. Monero has an infinite supply. Yes, infinite. After the initial emission period, it enters a phase called "tail emission," where 0.6 XMR are created per block forever. The argument? That this incentivizes miners to continue securing the network.
>But not only that. Monero strives to make mining as "fair" as possible. It uses an algorithm called RandomX, which supposedly levels the competition between CPUs, so anyone can mine from their laptop without needing specialized equipment. Sounds good... in theory.

What is this numale speaking style called? Why does gpt speak in it by default?

Anyone else use TradeOgre?

It seems to be down

>>60717054
It is AI, it is simply agreeable to anything you prompt it. Slop machine. For the record I have most of my crypto in btc, all spendable is in xmr. So that's saying something about usability..

>>60717081
I wonder if it's just reddit speak that already existed, or something AI specific that's influencing all the numales addicted to chatgpt now. The rhetorical quips it in adds in feel obviously algorithmic to anyone who has seen a couple chatgpt posts already.

i love wownerochan desu

>>60717069
>down
me too

is tradeogre exit scamming?

>>60717323
they did it for my >100$

>>60717323
I would be out 5000,-

>60714235
>60714244
reddit pedo accusations aside, is there something wrong with simply accumulating wealth in monero and not spending it much? I understand it's similar to HODL behavior but the intent is just to store value

>>60717509
Why are people keeping money on exchanges in 2025? Anything I buy on an exchange is immediately transferred to my wallet

>>60714190 (OP)
How do I cash out?

>>60717895
buy coke

>>60715222
>>60715948
why are samourai devs being jailed?
respond with some dignity or you will be killed

>>60716735
stop dumpster fishing, maxis don't even use bitcoin

>>60717895
>cash out
monero is cash you fucking troglodyte

>>60717536
>reddit
irrelevant

>>60718037
because samourai whirlpool was the only sliver of hope bitshitters had of gaining any semblance of onchain privacy. and now it is gone. government was happy with bitshit, now it is delighted.

if that cubic thing really works out its so over. only the strongest networks like bitcoin will survive simply by being too expensive to get majority control of

how to spot BTC LARPer who never used bitcoin:
>LE PRICE
>SHITCOIN SHITCOINS SHITCOIN
>scam scam scam
>Liquid
>wallet of satoshi hurrrr
>retweets microstrategy

how to spot monero reply-guy LARPer who never used monero and wants to speculate price by LARPing as cypherpunk:
>BITCOIN BITCOIN BITCOIN
>ZEEEEEECASH
>short squeeze
>"How do I cash out"
>zcash bitcoin zcash bitcoin

both will be killed by crowdfunded hit jobs when the time is right

>>60718055
>and now it is gone
it's not
and it will never be gone
this is just piratebay bullshit again, fucking exact repeat

>>60718063
If Monero dies crypto dies. It’s the only real currency. Bitcoin is not a “network” at all. It’s a cartel of a few massive miners.

>>60718084
>it's not
it is gone, where's the whirlpool liquidity you idiot. also can you trust the new liq pool? Monero is the only hope.

>>60718078
>both will be killed
suck my dick

>>60717580
What type of wallet do you have?

>>60717323
I'm not really familiar with tradeogre's history but some people on twitter have said that this isn't the first time that tradeogre has been down for a couple days. But another guy said that he has a direct line of communication with the admin and hasn't been able to get any kind of response from him which he said was very abnormal.

>>60718096
however its in their best interest to keep things running smoothly. with tiny coins you'll be vulnerable to the just because i can trolls that plague everything else on the internet too

>>60718063
No it isn't. It will just be a buying opportunity.

>>60718322
idk man if they manage to pull off those double spends and orphans theres gonna be quite a mess to clean up and it will be hard to prove that the next thing is trustworthy

>>60714451
Based

>>60717536
Bakecels have a phobia of becoming bitcoin, so any uses beyond 'peer-to-peer electronic cash' is heresy.

>>60718374
There quite unironically is no second best. If Monero can't survive this we will get a better mining protocol in the future.

What is the consensus on MICA compliance and shit ? Does it have any benefits ?

MICAn't fit deez nuts in monero chan

>>60718785
its good for making things even more difficult for us. all this regulation exists only to fuck over crypto users and bank users

>>60717536
Good money has 4 functions:
-medium of exchange
>I buy cookies directly for Monero
Monero is good on this

-store of value
>I save my Monero instead of buying cookies, so I can buy a car. Monero maintains or gains purchasing power in that time
Monero is pretty good on this, but should be encouraged more

-unit of account
>Cookies and cars are priced in Monero with no reference to the USD. XMR cookie prices don't fluctuate in the short term with the USD
Monero hasn't achieved this, would require mass adoption

-standard of deferred payments
>I can receive a Monero loan to buy a car. The loan is priced and payable in XMR regardless of what the USD exchange rate does over the duration of the loan.
Monero hasn't achieved this, would require financialization of Monero

How do you manage the heat radiating from your mining rig, anon? It's cool (heh) during winter, but I'm not so hot (heh) on it during summer.

>>60718063
>if that cubic thing really works out its so over.

It's a publicity stunt. Pay no mind, they'll run out of funds soon enough.

XMR stays winning.

Lol muh privacy coin. Everyone said enigma would be the most important crypto but look at SCRT price now. Privacy is dead. Its not happening.

>>60720325
Lol people will be buying p2p porn with monero in the Uk soon

>>60720325
shitcoins are dead as they should be. all you had to do was ignore the noise and pump into monero-chan all along. it still applies today. ignore the taris, zanos. they want your xmrs

>TradeOgre is still down
im fucked, arent i

>>60721212
just in time to leave you one of the eternal 51% baggies

>>60717895
>>60718011
>>60718044
It's not cash if I can't buy anything with it

I'm serious, can nobody explain how to cash out from Monero?

Monero's main flaw is that it can be mined with general purpose cpu hardware. When the miners have nothing at stake they will readily participate in a 51% attack for profit. You would never see Ethereum stakers or Bitcoin/Litecoin asic miners knowingly participate in a 51% attack because a successful 51% will collapse the value of their ETH stake or their BTC/LTC asic miners.

>>60721075
Monero plus Ukraine rebuild portfolio sounds like a pretty cozy setup

>>60721430
Do what you did to buy XMR but backwards

>>60721430
>can't buy anything with it

Fake & gay news

>I'm serious, can nobody explain how to cash out from Monero?

Governments hate Monero so cashing out large amounts directly isn't going to be feasible in future unless you go for the underground cash-by-mail solution. You can try to atomically swap for govt-approved snitchcoins like BTC but in that case you run the risk of getting saddled with radioactive coins that will be seized the second they touch any regulated platform.

So your best bet is either use a reputable swap service that sources coins directly from regulated exchanges (Trocador) or spend XMR on easily flipped goods like narcotics, bullion or consumer electronics and then sell for cash.

Yes, its a pain in the ass but did you expect anything less of the only cryptocurrency that works as advertised and is actually a threat to the State?

monero chuddies.. its so over, time to sell the bags while you still can...

>>60721642
delet this

>>60721642
>a few pools hold more than 51% of the hashrate collectively
In all fairness, Bitcoin and Litecoin are pretty similar to Monero as far as hashrate concentration goes. The difference is their miners won't knowingly participate in a 51% attack. Doing so would collapse the value of their asics to nothing since they can't be used to mine anything else or to do any other useful computational work.

I’m fucking tired of the LACK of qubic related posts anywhere. The cfb faggot is literally one day away from his attempted takeover attack and basically nobody is fucking talking about it?

On Reddit they’ll delete your post as a “duplicate” meanwhile there’s been no news in the other posts for a fucking week.

This is being taken as a serious attack by the Monero Research Lab. They spent half their fucking most recent meeting talking about qubic and possible mitigations. Guess what? There were none proposed for the short term. People were even talking about a hybrid PoS consensus as a longer term solution.

Why the fuck isn’t this front page news? What because the guy has only demonstrated 30% hashpower? You think an early BTC buyer and IOTA shitcoin founder doesn’t have hundreds of millions ready to rent?

What the fuck happens if we get a double spend tomorrow? Are you ready for XMR -75% in a day? Will you trust your fucking cookie purchases anymore?

I HATE THIS COMMUNITY

>>60721489
>Monero's main flaw is that it can be mined with general purpose cpu hardware. When the miners have nothing at stake they will readily participate in a 51% attack for profit. You would never see Ethereum stakers or Bitcoin/Litecoin asic miners knowingly participate in a 51% attack because a successful 51% will collapse the value of their ETH stake or their BTC/LTC asic miners.

BTC doesn't need to be 51% attacked when its network security depends overwhelmingly on dedicated hardware manufactured in China that requires permission to be imported and distributed. Crippling the BTC network is therefore as easy as cutting off the supply of new ASICs and waiting for the old ones to burn out. Or even simpler: just pull the plug on all known mining farms in a coordinated global attack.

ASIC mining = permissioned mining.

And btw, what is is easier to attack is also easier to defend. That's the beauty of RandomX: everybody in the developed world already owns several Monero "ASICs".

why are the qubic bots so triggered
just merge all the existing pools to the p2p pool and there you go "crisis" solved

>>60721792
Fuck you faggot. Trying to sweep this under the rug. Go look at the MRL meeting. Tell me why half of it was about the qubic attack. You think you know better than the fucking researchers behind FCMP?

Fuck you

>>60721808
mentally ill histrionic women like you can't be reasoned with
if you think xmr will collapse then sell everything and go shit up another thread
nobody cares about your 2 more weeks doomer fantasies because you discovered the phrase 51% a week ago

>>60721761
Because it's literally fake and gay
https://gist.github.com/Rucknium/0873b10b6d36ff6c9d6f8f54107d16f7

>>60721819
Okay cool brah just go to the MRL chat and tell them that. Do you even know what they said?

>>60721830
I do not care
can you comprehend english?

>>60721827
Cool July 31st note that they can’t track them anymore. Also the charts are literally ALL up and to the right nothing to see there!

Maybe actually look at what the real researchers are saying? Protip: they’re not taking it as a fake attack.

https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-research-lab/20250730

>>60721837
See
>>60721837
You fucking retard. I know it feels nice to pretend an attack isn’t real. But you’re full of shit.

>>60721845
As you’re all scrambling to read this long chat log. Let me give you the TLDR:

They literally had no solution to the scenario where cfb has extra has power up his sleeve for the August 2 threat.

So hopefully a guy who was an early BTC buyer and shitcoin rugpuller doesn’t have extra money!!! Fingers crossed

>>60721837
>>60721827
You’re both massive faggots btw

>>60721906
You’re the one more likely to be a qubic shill, trying to make a real threat out to be a joke. Fuck you. You’re harming Monero through ignorance

>AI analysis of yesterday's MRL discussion on the matter: https://libera.monerologs.net/monero-research-lab/20250731

### 1. **Concerns Over Qubic Mining Pool**

A large portion of the chat centers on the increasing influence of the **Qubic mining pool (Jetskipool)** and the potential for **network centralization** or attacks:

* **Hashrate Surges**: Qubic reached **2.2 GH/s at peak**, with frequent on/off mining patterns—likely tied to botnets or opportunistic data center mining.
* **Potential 33% Attack**: While not enough for a 51% attack, Qubic could conduct a **selfish mining attack at \~33% hashrate**, particularly over a weekend to cause disruption and panic.
* **Speculated Botnet/Cloud Activity**: Participants suspect **datacenter mining** or even **cloud provider misuse** (e.g., AWS EC2) is behind the fluctuations.
* **Lack of Transparency**: Qubic doesn’t report hashrate like other pools, making their total share **difficult to track**.
* **Danger of Hashrate Rental**: A **stratum port for rented hashrate** is being enabled, possibly allowing the pool to **suddenly scale** via platforms like NiceHash or MRR.


### 2. **Technical Breakdown of Attack Vectors**

* **33% selfish mining**: Would allow Qubic to orphan blocks and manipulate transaction ordering.
* **51% threshold**: Theoretical and practical barriers are discussed; it would require over **2.5 GH/s more** than their current known hashrate.
* **Amplification by switching pools**: Shifting miners from other pools to Qubic not only boosts their share but weakens the rest, **doubling their net advantage**.


## Takeaway

Participants agree that while a full 51% attack is unlikely at this moment, a well-timed selfish mining attack could still be damaging, especially if used to spread FUD (fear, uncertainty, doubt) or manipulate Monero’s credibility.

>>60722002
Yeah seems like nothing!! Kek

>>60721900
>>60722012
Yeah bro you're totally right there's an AI living in the Qubuc blockchain and CFB is unironically Satoshi. His secret trinary chips can deanonymize ring signatures too!
The part that the AI forgot to mention is there's a giant sell wall on tradeogre for qubic. I wonder what happens when tradeogre comes back online?

>>60722012

They're hemorrhaging cash to keep this publicity stunt going, it'll all be over sooner than you think. If you want to help, rent a miner or start mining yourself.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1mehpak/how_to_quickly_rent_hashrate_to_help_protect_the/

>>60722082
pay no attention to the qubic halving event this month that will rape their profitability

>>60722082
Why are you changing the subject? Nobody cares that a scammer scammed people before. The point is he made money off of IOTA, BTC, etc. He’s using that money to rent hash power to attack Monero. The top researchers in Monero are taking it seriously and current have no way to defend it. And you’re just shouting insults. You’re a faggot.

>>60722097
How do you know they’re “hemorrhaging cash”? Just because it’s expensive? How do you know how much cfb has? It could be nothing to him.

>>60722476
If they attack Monero successfully before the halving they will still be able to destroy trust in the chain

>>60722002
Summary of the AI Summary:

they will FUD my BAGS so that I can buy MORE MONERO COINS for CHEAPIES!!!!!

LE HAPPENING!!!!

>>60721761
plenty of threads about it on monermining but yeah the rmonero might be ran by trolls that want to drive people away from monero, happens often there

>>60721772
you can mine it with anything though, monero restricts you to cpu only but bitcoin can be mined with cpu, gpu and these asic. its not the end of anything if asics are no more, if anything it will just make the network healthier

>>60722553
So, the OP, who has already been credibly accused of being a fed, is now downplaying a credible threat to Monero?

>>60722097
>rent miners
it's more effective to buy permanent XMR to raise the price than rent temporary miners to raise the hashrate.

>>60721761
Anon there has been plenty of discussion lol.
>What because the guy has only demonstrated 30% hashpower
That, and he's a known scam artist.
The MRL discussed it seriously and people are paying attention to it. We will see what happens Saturday. An overreaction feeds into Qubic building hype for their project. The best thing to do is to monitor and spread awareness about mining.
>Are you ready for XMR -75% in a day
I hope so. Will slurp up.

>>60722553
>He’s using that money to rent hash power to attack Monero
What attack? So far he's done nothing but pay people (in potentially worthless crypto) to mine XMR and shitpost on xitter. Until he actually does something, all you're doing is giving him free unsolicited publicity.

>>60723864
>yeah sure he can technically double spend but he HASN’T yet so it’s fine
This is you.

>>60723342
>he's a known scam artist
The only reason this is relevant is because it shows he has the money to perform the attack. Scammers in crypto, especially early scammers from the 2017 era, made out like bandits. He probably pocketed 9 figures from his scams. That’s BAD news, not good.

>We’ll see what happens Saturday
Not exactly an encouraging response.

>>60723975
He can't do that either. At best he might be able to orphan a few blocks.
Assuming that you're acting in good faith here, concerntrolling isn't a plan. If you want to do something then encourage people to mine or buy XMR.

>>60724009
we get it, youre a concern troll.
if you are being genuine, then you are overleveraged and you need to just sell and be happy.
This is a free market of miners and a 51% attack is plausible. We all know this, and it has been a problem for years. IF this ends up being a legitimate threat, there is literally nothing that can be done to solve this in the short term other than renting hashrate, mining Monero, begging miners to switch out of the Qubic pool, or getting a price pump. Would you rather have some rushed rewrite of one of our key and defining protocols (random x) just because some anons are scared of a 51% attack by a known scammer? You are fucking retarded. Trust the process. There are a lot of old heads who are calmly observing the situation. They aren't sperging out about it because an overreaction would not solve anything.

>>60724164
And an underreaction helps qubic. I see essentially no reaction happening. We could have been blaring the alarm and trying to get everyone to up their hash rate. Instead we walk into tomorrow with basically no defense.

I’m not any more overleveraged than anyone else. If Monero is destroyed it’s effectively the end of crypto and any chance against the surveillance state future. Better not get alarmed or anything!

>>60724265
>I see essentially no reaction happening
yeah, you are retarded then. go back to plebbit.

>>60724354
Talking about it (by ignoring the real threat and saying it’s fake) is not a “reaction”.

>>60724462
Shoulda woulda coulda doomposting isn't a reaction either. Again, stop giving this faggot attention; he is not the first faggot to attempt to destabilize Monero and he won't be the last.

>>60724919
Shoulda woulda coulda
Told you niggers not a few months ago that the price of Monero needed to go up, that the botfarms mining at zero cost was suppressing the price, and that the consequence would be that someone could just start a pool, pay all the miners a bonus, and then use the block templates to shut down the network. But you shitheads were all like "hash rate is hash rate bro, most Monero miners do it out of the goodness of their heart, if it was gonna happen it would have happened already"

>>60725000
yes that happened. and did everyone clap afterwards?

>>60725036
No you all went back to fellating yourselves. I'll dig through the archives and find it

>>60725000
Are we fucked? Is cfb doing this out of the goodness of HIS heart to show us we need to step up our shit?

What will convince people we need to moon this bag? Do we tar and feather OP?

>>60725062
Whether or not the current attempt succeeds this is or will be a problem as Monero mining is at cost, best case scenario. The botnets need to be removed because MC=MR, as long as the cost of mining Monero is zero for some producers the price will always be pushed to zero. Basic economic principle.
ASICS unironically fix it, but if there is a non ASIC solution, e.g., raising RAM requirements to cut out cheap servers (I used to mine Monero for free on Azure free trial servers) then I'm all ears.

Also enough with the moonfag shit. Monero's price and network security are directly correlated. The higher the price, the more miners are paid to be honest, the better the network security.

>>60725091
ASICS can't be the answer. It will just wind up a centralized cartel like Bitcoin.

I will once again suggest beheading OP. I really think that could improve our situation.

>>60725111
GPUs then

>>60725036
Told ya, this was September of last year

>>60725136
And of course when I tried to get people concerned about the problem TEN MONTHS AGO, OP the fed immediately derailed the conversation and it was forgotten

>>60725166
Though it wasn't just the OP, everyone in the thread immediately jumped in to suppress a legitimate concern

>>60725136
that's a pretty good prediction.
though, you are jumping to a conclusion as your thesis still hasn't come true. The network is still very much being supported by miners who are not chasing profit.

>>60725283
Okay but this is just one schizo doing it and he has already made double digit progress on the hash rate. Imagine if the feds decided to do it themselves. I would rather fix mining incentives than find out.

>>60725283
As for "not chasing profit" economic incentives, greed, have always won out in the end. If we can't admit that then we unironically are in communism territory and it's already a lost cause

Why did the price pump in the last year?

>>60725000
>>60725091
Now you're talking like a hetero. Isn't randomx v2 supposed to increase RAM requirements?
>>60725062
Allegedly he's going to free the network from the botnets, but who knows.

>>60725412
>Now you're talking like a hetero
I'm not the other guy.

And I liked GPU mining, was accessible to any home user but inaccessible to some bored data center admin with unused resources.

>>60725449
Perhaps going the digibyte route of adding other algorithms is the way. Is progPOW cucked?

>>60721761
you're a retard
stop caring about some random 51ing monero, because it won't happen and if it happens then it's deserved

>>60714451
Base wirey bro

>>60725449
>was accessible to any home user but inaccessible to some bored data center admin with unused resources.
Nigga nowadays there are cloud GPU providers, similar to those of cloud VPS providers.

feds trying to fud against randomx lol
>please switch to asics
>okay at least switch to gpus
>but really you should switch to pos so we can print our 51%
>are you scared yet?
no

>>60727160
and absolutely fuckton of them at that. by their own argument, it's way worse than cpu actually because of how much more gpu compute is there to rent thanks to ai compared to what you can get as an individual.

>>60725136
>pic
bs. having as much diverse mining actors is good even if it makes you butthurt. i welcome botnets to monero mining, especially if they don't care about monero.

are last blocks from known pools?
https://moneroconsensus.info/

spy nodes
https://moneronet.info/
http://moneronet7hxetyzkewttitl3w6p2oxwvss4arzvlcyfmyavlw23skqd.onion/

pos is pos
http://g7cpug4k6ydyq5dlxrji35xnfq5n5rba3n7holux4tmdsm42ju543tad.onion/

So how is the 51% attack going?

>>60727492
Apparently they are going to 100% in a few hours.
They are already complaining about a ddos so they have an excuse lined up :)

>>60727492
unless i'm a retard, there is none? last 365 blocks are completely straight line.

Looks like we’re dumping to the low 200 range. Just feels that way. I want all of you to know that you’re faggots. This is the easiest coin to sell in the universe and you can’t do it. Fuck you.

>>60726676
>y-yeah I d-don’t care if my coin goes to zero that m-means it wasn’t good enough
Shut up moron

>>60727445
>i love bots dumping my coin all the time
Shut up idiot

>>60727524
just as i have some cash and about to get a real job. all according to keikaku.

>>60727534
nothing burger. 99% of all miners of all coins are dumpers. stop worrying about irrelevant shit. numbergoup is relevant doe.

>>60727576
Number doesn’t fucking go up doe. We are doing something fundamentally wrong.

>>60727577
if the coin dumps to a floor of <200$ i would say it's grim and rope i guess, but if you notice my nigger, the floor is always higher and higher each cycle. for a notbitcoin that's already pretty gud. but yeah number go up is betterer.

>>60727587
Yeah brah let me just wait until 2035 for XMR to crack $1000

>>60727445
>having as much diverse mining actors is good even if it makes you butthurt. i welcome botnets to monero mining, especially if they don't care about monero.
It's not about them caring. The value in any money is attached to the opportunity costs to create more of it. Botnets don't have an opportunity cost attached to mining so they produce coins that drag down the price of the coins that do have costs.

>>60727576
>99% of all miners of all coins are dumpers
They also pay for their equipment and electricity.

>>60725091
how the hell do these botnets even go undetected for any meaningful time? anyone capable would notice that their cpus are getting raped by shit that shouldn't be there and for the normie antivirus flags these as malware

>>60727445
it does need to be profitable. the supply of diehard privacy activists isn't enough to secure the coin against actors with insane resources. however you do have a point that allowing asics and whatever custom hardware is not really a solution as this will just spike the difficulty and make the entry cost to mining it very high, this is true with gpus as well with the top nvidia models being in the thousands these days. as it is now you will get a very pathetic sum but you'll at least get something. wouldn't be the case with the majority of coins!

>>60727576
we need a solution to the how do i buy my groceries directly with monero question then. as of now its not really an option with any crypto at all, you might get prepaid cards if you happen to live in the right place but pay high fees for the privilege and this is relying on a third party instead of paying directly with your currency

>>60727775
>we need a solution to the how do i buy my groceries directly with monero question then
This exists in the form of XMRbazaar and Porcfest bake sales AKA the circular economy, unironically. The problem is there's a lack of XMR <-> fiat gateways that are large business friendly (moonpay, Coinbase, etc.) So you're not buying milk and cookies at Walmart.

>>60728187
well yeah but not all of us live in a tech city. ain't anyone sending me a liter of milk and come cookies to a small city in a country most people haven't even heard of

>>60728211
some anons were talking about buying stuff direct from farmers for silver and crypto. farmers really like not paying taxes, or being able to sell raw milk or meat without reporting transactions.

>>60728259
wow thats pretty cool. honestly i think anyone except the finnish people would like that :D

here's a comment from sech1, the monero dev behind p2pool, about how things stand: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1mfqlef/comment/n6j2nfb/

they are still a lot of hashrate away from 51%.
They may be able to orphan a block or two but no real damage.

>>60728259
This varies with location and local culture but I heard it's not uncommon for farmers in the US to take silver coins. It's not Monero but I'd be very happy already if I could buy a dozen eggs for a silver dime or two.

>>60728321
the chain is flat
https://moneroconsensus.info/

>>60727160
Getting a hold of a GPU farm is a lot more expensive than all the lower grade CPU infrastructure kicking around.

>>60727445
Equating GPU mining to one tard asking about pos is dumb. They're two completely different worlds. ETH GPU mining was comfy. Pos would be even easier to take over than the current CPU pool.

>>60728380
Also I've mined Monero and ETH pow and the latter was more enjoyable to get into as a small timer. I could just build a single system and add more GPUs every time I wanted to scale up. I didn't have to buy another PSU, mobo, ram, etc., and scaling out was a lot easier since I only needed to sell individual GPUs, which have a lot of demand, rather than entire systems.

https://xcancel.com/L0laL33tz/status/1950985587177017547

it's over soon(tm)

>>60728380
>Getting a hold of a GPU farm is a lot more expensive
for you, yes. But the AI firms already have hundreds of thousands of GPUs (H100 models in fact) packed and ready to go. GPU mining today is open to centralization from day 1. We are no longer in 2019 where the best GPUs were commodity hardware you could buy off the shelf. Nowadays H100 models, the regular type guys can't even get their hands on.

another update: https://libera.monerologs.net/monero/20250802#c548170

They have 25% of the blocks since they started mining full time.

>>60728484
it's the pirate bay debacle all over again
>go after the devs
>jail em
>"we won"
>service still online
>service now has 10 copycats
>service has grown exponentially
>fast forward to today: service still online
>service now has 1000 copycats
>service is unstoppable

>>60728321
who would dr chud even double spend?
he isn't exactly anonymous himself
would just get indicted for attempted robbery

CHAT: I need you all to stop arguing for a second about *checks notes* bake sales or moonfaggery or whatever the fuck and we NEED to address the elephant in the room desperately trying to get our attention:

Monero might be currently under a coordinated attack by the glowies. Of course there's the whole Qubic 51% attack currently ongoing but there's also
>MajesticBank (very reputable exchanger) suddenly "exit scamming" two weeks ago
>TradeOgre (again, very reputable service known within our community) suddenly "exit scamming" as well a few days ago
>KYCNot.me being completely down as of right now after having intermittent loading issues since last night EDT time

If you ask me. I don't think Majestic or TradeOgre "exist scammed" but rather their dev teams were arrested and servers seized by the glowies. TradeOgre for example has been sending all their ETH to a Binance hot wallet. 18 Million USD worth so far. If they were truly "exit scamming" I don't think they would be able to just dump millions on a KYC exchange. The dev team behind KYCNot.me might also be getting pressure from the glowies and were threatened to either take their site down or they're implementing some sort of back door tracking mechanisms right now during the downtime. I know KYCNot.me had a canary, does anyone have the LINK (no pun intended) to it?

I believe it all stems from what a redditor quietly pointed out: https://old.reddit.com/r/CryptoCurrency/comments/1mf89cj/finalizing_the_patriot_act_mixer_rule/ Hidden deep within the flurry of "pro-crypto" legislation passed last month there's Trojan Horse style language that paves the way for mandating DeFi services require KYC in order to remain operational and that Privacy Coins such as our beloved Monero (the only privacy coin in existence actually) be banned in the US ala EU. I wouldn't be surprised if Kraken get subpoenaed soon for all records of people who have bought Monero on their platform and the addresses that it was transferred to.

>>60729548
kek can't believe anyone would think its good when lawmakers get involved in your thing. the government only does shit like this to protect itself, despite claiming to be a democracy pretty much everything is decided undemocratically

the question will be, how do we define the value of monero once the governments succeed and you can't deal with it in any of these convenient exchanges? will there be a reference source or do people say that today i feel my product is worth this many xmr

>>60715185
big brain thinking

>>60729548
i wonder at what point will governments ban you from even flying to another country on vacation if you have crypto in self custody lol

On the one hand I feel really good that I reached one of my major accumulation targets right before tradeogre went offline and all this other shit started

On the other hand I’m concerned about the price getting destroyed and wondering how the fuck I’m ever going to cash out with all the increased legal attention on Monero

>>60729548
Kycnot is back up

>>60714827
How about avoiding LTC, also how do you buy XMR without going through the hassle of being identified? How many people you know in real life that will be your personal exchange to buy XMR?

>>60729548
Iirc Monero doesn't meet the definition of a mixer or an AEC, though the definition may have changed