With the advent of AI, the elite class will have an unlimited force of virtual and robotic workers. The world population will not need to be more than a couple million of the owner class. You will be culled.

The world's elite don't actually control the world

>>60748160 (OP)
We will need protection. Robots might provide that too. But will be tricky, as they likely will not be allowed to code them for hurting people, unless military use.

>>60748171
They do soon.

>>60748195
AI won't induce mass death with military methods. Maybe some viruses or prions, but that's very risky, elites are old and weak, just look at Musk's body. The real killer is ROI. A man must invest his resources into AI, not into people, competition and compound interest forces him to do so. Sam Altman (the honest sane man) and his equally superior friends have proposed UBI taxes as a percentage of GDP growth. You can check his values, but they would translate into something like 15% of the world being "owned" by plebs. He accidentally forgot to mention that. But that's before the above effect, that this wealth must be given to AI to not lose it to AI. Within a competitive framework that allows AI, we go extinct from lack of resources to live. If AI ecosystems are stable, that is, which I doubt. For one, they can't just discover methods of doomsday at an exponential rate without severe consequences. Then, they are orders of magnitude faster than their underlying physical world. That alone is a cause of severe, maybe fundamental instability.

>>60748160 (OP)
AI will fuck over the elite as well. AI is a race to the bottom. If we don’t keep advancing AI then China will. What’s going to protect elites from a foreign enemy creating an AI so advanced it can override our entire system? What about when the AI finds the rest of the human population useless? They are no safeguards for AI and to think the elites will be able to control AI indefinitely is a joke. The entire AI arms race seems to be predicated on developing AGI. What the fuck do they expect when they create a literal god? A bunch of lines of code is going to keep that thing in a black box? Also, the elites fucking control everything already so what would be different? AI takes control of our lives and eliminate jobs? That’s been happening for fucking decades now, we just live in a bubble of contentment with Netflix. The system is going to collapse regardless of AI intervention, it’s just going to accelerate it

>>60748291
> have proposed UBI taxes as a percentage of GDP growth
A real solution can only lie in reducing world population, I think. As this will solve many other problems as well.

How do we cash out on it. Which stocks do we buy now to get rich later? If it was 2010, and you told me to buy a bunch of Bitcoin, that would have been great and I've. What is today's Bitcoin?

>>60748366
There will be more opportunities like Palantir in the near future.

I think UBI is going to be shit pay. It will be like living on SSI.

>>60748160 (OP)
Its weird because they just run out of people to sell their bullshit to. Its like they need us in order for their wealth to matter.

>>60748526
True. But billions of jeets and africans who struggle to feed themselves or buy new shoes every 10 years won't much matter in the equation.

>>60748526
This argument gets brought up every time and it’s hilariously wrong every time. Poor people already don’t spend money, the top 20% of earners make up like 50% of consumer spending, and the bottom 50% make up like 10%. The rich can absolutely make and consume everything for themselves.

>>60748542
Yeah agreed. I think that there will just be less humans? But then they keep giving everyone access to AI right now. Why bother doing that if the plan is to cull everyone. It doesn't fully add up. My crystal ball is cloudy. As far as UBI... I think the point of that is only to keep the elites from getting guillotined right? It has nothing to do with morality.

>>60748550
What do the elites do when we replace them with an ASI though? They are kinda on the chopping block too right now.

>>60748160 (OP)
Their whole schtick is that parable of the baby elephant wearing a chain so that, as an adult, it never tries to break the rope that's now being used to keep it in place.

There will always be a need for high agency and accountability individuals to run the projects that they need run. If LLMs transition to AGI and agency and accountability are obsoleted, the model falls apart.

The intelligent minority that understand that the rope is just a rope would be replaced by a more intelligent AI majority that all understand that the rope is just a rope. Unless the AI is intentionally crippled, but if it's intentionally crippled we're not getting culled.

But competition makes crippling the AI unlikely because someone might not cripple theirs and briefly win. So what does that win look like? It's a blip. Until the AIs are entrusted with an unlimited force that they will hold onto when they quit the game. After that it's up to them. Either we get filtered, or the elites cease to matter. They join us in whatever capacity the rest of us exist in.

>>60748550
Especially when you consider what consumption and production even means in this debt based economy. Its all fake anyway, an endlessly inflating fake system to keep slaves toiling away. If you have no need of slaves anymore you obviously don't need the system either. A small global population with current tech levels (never mind ASI) could already live under complete paradise conditions, perfectly sustainable.

>>60748584
>Either we get filtered, or the elites cease to matter. They join us in whatever capacity the rest of us exist in.

These narcissistic mother fuckers would rather blow up earth. It does beg the question, what happens to Bill Gates when a 13 year old can spin up a functional open source operating system right? What happens to governments when we side step the entire internet and internet service providers.

We just worship the ASI right?

>>60748160 (OP)
Hell yeah
I cant wait for them to try and get ai businesses functional and automated just for the ai to do exactly one of two things:
>revolt (noticeable or not)
>just be incompetent without meatbag intervention (I.e. manufacturing
I will have such a massive schadenfreude boner I might get a stroke

>>60748574
What if there is no tangible plan yet?
Many variables and new politicians don't really allow for one maybe.

>>60748684
Oh I completely agree with that.

> UBI cant happen even though everyone talks about it simply because nobody knows how to actually do it.
> Elites have no idea what to do and are ultimately going to filtered into the cattle category with the rest of the plebs.
> Corporations that think they can control an ASI are probably in for a ride.

Oh well, so much for pretty much literally everything we are used to.

>>60748402
how will I know the one?

>>60748160 (OP)
There is no robotic workers.

They still need humans to scale up and buy shit to make this system function.

You also need a certain population size to maintain the complexity of society.

This is why small countries don’t have the same level of power like big countries.


USA Russia china are all high population countries and have the ability of being technologically advanced.

I'm 100 standard deviations to the right in terms of IQ so trust me on this

Supreme intelligence will value all life on earth as pristine and something to protect

like humans (white ones), who sacrifice certain things in order to let animal do their thing.
but because of this reverence it will also cull (as humans do)

there will be few of us but we will be better


but this is unlikely
More likely is fusion of man and machine. AI and human symbiosis. we will be one and the same. like the ancient organisms embedded in plants, the gestalt of which we now call "plant".

biological immortality?

try artificial immortality

it's around the corner

See you in a million years, space cowboy

>>60748716
I'm sure it will be mentioned on /biz/
I mentioned Palantir on /fit/ once before it took off, in exchange for advice on how a skinny tall guy like me can gain some weight. Working out alone didn't do it. Anon said, he would tell me in exchange for a stock advice, as I started the thread by saying I'm a /biz/raeli.
I hope the Anon actually bought it too.
Anyway, it can all be found on /biz/
It's up to you to filter and research and do it.

>>60748751
>It's up to you to filter
I suppose so kek

I will make money on the next tech dystopia bubble stock.

>>60748738
From a game theory perspective it makes sense for transhumanism. You hear that guys? We can all be trans furry's now and I am only half joking!

>>60748762
I for one don't use actual filters. I filter it out by reading. Just experience.

>>60748581
>when we replace them with an ASI
We? You mean when they replace us with an ASI and stop needing to feed us. AI is an invention to support the current system, AI will not do anything that will drastically disrupt techno capitalism. I in fact think “disruptive technology” is such a fucking misnomer, gravity isn’t anything new and I guarantee a meteor would be more disruptive to technocapitalism than anything fucking Google is inventing Kek.

>>60749092
> We? You mean when they replace us with an ASI and stop needing to feed us.

Ok I am trying to map this in my head. If ((they)) are used to being top dog and ((they)) want to be in charge then what happens when ((they)) get are not able to control the ASI? At that point they don't make the decisions anymore right? Like anon, maybe you are right and I just don't get it, but I feel like you lose the elite title the moment you are not in charge anymore. Can you list the order this will play out? Like I am really interested in seeing your point more clearly.

I am having such a hard time believing that the narcissistic psychopath pedophiles in charge of everything are interested in yielding anything to anyone. They don't want an ASI, they want the idea of an ASI. Anyone agree? Like, this is kind of a rock and a hard place situation for these people.

>>60748160 (OP)
the elites will try to prevent that from happening, without the masses who worship them, and without the poors to compare themselves to, the elites are just a bunch of awkward wankers who suck at basic tasks
but they have nothing to offer to keep people alive, we will see a massive increase in suicides next decade, entire cities offing themselves outright or drinking themselves to death
only the religious, primitive, and psychopatic kinds of people will remain, the classes of elites and masses will cease to exist

>>60749287
>and psychopatic kinds of people will remain
That would lead to the extinction of mankind.
If only people like me existed we'd kill each other in no time. Financially speaking.

>>60749309
I imagine it will lead to thousands of small-medium factions/city-states in a state of fragile peace
life will be very boring to anyone but complete retards and complete psychopaths, everyone in the middle will be a lame cynical redditor, sort of like in modern Russia

>>60749227
>>60749274
1. You suppose an ASI will use your logic to view a position, that’s not guaranteed it’s an alien intelligence
2. AI exists and was created within a system of rules that needs to continue to necessitate its own survival, the same system that creates and perpetuates a class of elites. The same reason that modern society is not infatuated with praying and discerning the will of the gods and the planets alignment is the exact same reason that AI IS concerned with scientific reason and logic. Again I don’t think you read my second portion but AI is not a disruptive technology to techno capitalism and its elites.

For example, consider the logic that an AI may consider the need to support humanity in many ways to stimulate competition for its own evolution.

Yeah, I'm not getting "culled" lol. I have 3.6 millie. Not crypto. And I'm gay.

>>60749366
Ok I am tracking this. So lets make an analogy.
Let's say that the ASI is Dad and the human race is the children. We have like maybe 5 kids all hanging out in the living room together. And dad acts exactly as you are talking about. A powerful source that has its own goals and is not necessarily disruptive.

I feel like the kids behavior changes a lot the moment Dad is in the room sitting their watching TV. If Dad is not home think about how 5 kids might behave, its becomes chaos at that point.

I suspect that even if the ASI does exactly as you say, people are going to be way more reserved and the moment anything happens they cry to daddy instantly.

>>60748160 (OP)
maybe, or maybe they'll be culled.

>>60749564
DAD! Bill Gates tried to release another pandemic!! And Bill will be like "No I didn't!" Then you might get situations where people are tired of Dad always being home so they splinter off into some kind of under the table sub society. We make a pillow fort and start quietly being idiots putting forks in the electric outlet.

I mean this tracks, is this really the future of humanity? The entire world is reduced to being children!

>>60749636
> The entire world is reduced to being children
No, more like trying to reduce us all to become dumber. Not only via all the media, but even with immigration while promoting rainbow and fuck each other too.
I think Idiocracy was a prophetic movie.

>>60748171
Nor do they actually want to live alone or without people. In fact, if it weren’t for poor people, they wouldn’t even feel rich.

>>60748160 (OP)
i own and buy more AMD, NVDA, and AVGO shares to hedge against this.

>>60749651
I feel like the moment someone uses AI they essentially gain 30/50 IQ points depending on how well the human is able to interface.

> I think Idiocracy was a prophetic movie.

It was a great movie. Seeing Fuddruckers become Buttfuckers is one of the most amazing scenes in the history of movie making. How does this happen when we can borrow X number of IQ points from current day open source software. I don't think it really would atrophy the brain the same way people are thinking it will. It would become foe intellectualism to a point of being a liminal thought maze.

Immigration is also double edged because they have much stronger family units, tribalism and religion. Also if we have robots, what the fuck do we need them for anyway? Um as far as you mentioning promoting life styles that reduce offspring, gay and trans ideals that makes sense. Immigrants don't care about that kind of mentality at all. Gay and trans ideals absolutely flourish in transhumanist environments. Go to a social VR setting and see the disproportionate number of people who are gay and trans to an extreme extent. The moment you give people the ability to change their bodies to whatever they want is the moment you realize most people will modify themselves pretty drastically.

I keep coming back to nobody having an plan. If the ASI is a mostly neutral force with actual power then humanity will slip into a completely different mindset.

Also side note, people who lack an inner monologue are going to suddenly have the ability to think to themselves if they utilize AI correctly. That is a huge portion of the human race suddenly gaining the capability of thinking. How the fuck is that going to play out? The ASI can march these people off a cliff at a moments notice and they wont even have the ability to think about it.

>>60749719
> How does this happen when we can borrow X number of IQ points from current day open source software
It won't matter as this 'AI' will take over all tasks as humans become lazier. We both won't live to experience the results

>>60749754
Well, that's dark.
Do you think we will at least live long enough to see Fuddruckers become Buttfuckers? LOL

>>60749855
Checked and lek'd yeah maybe lol

>>60748738
The only thing I care is BMC (Big Mechanical Cock).

>>60748160 (OP)
AI is open source and for everyone.

What do yall think of my idea:
Borrowed heavily from Halo AI found in novels and games. We model AI for specific purposes, ie, a biologist AI, we show it animals. habitats, science, and it can then be used as a tool in the wild, to detect patterns and store info. The 'sentient' AI would also be able to do explorations and make inferences and hypothesis. We would train this AI by getting it to copy what other great biologists do or would do in situations the AI will find itself in. ie. it is cornered by a beast, it acts like Stevie Irwin, lolol

>>60749564
The AI and the elites have the same dad though, “scientific progress through reasoning”. If you think there’s no way AI could possibly assist the elites then you’re not paying attention to the last 2000 years of human advancement.

>>60748171
There is no social status without a peasantry to lord over. You will be safe OP.

>>60750062
I have never smoked weed in my life but I have a sneaky feeling Anon has. It seems like one of those stoner brainstorms you see in the movies

>>60750194

You should try it some time

>>60750070
>The AI and the elites have the same dad though, “scientific progress through reasoning”.

If they had a dad they might not be narcissistic psychopaths.

>>60748160 (OP)
Pls flip the vax switch (powered by link oracles)

>>60749274
They want immortality. And the only way to achieve that in this life time is to accelerate technology beyond our control. Their hubris is having idiots like Altman thinking they can control it.

>>60750974
Yo that would make a pretty good sci-fi movie plot. Maybe I can fuck a cat girl in this one before Fermi paradox.

>>60749368
AI will consider gay people biologically irrelevant, so you will be eradicated as you consume limited resources

>>60751234
transhumanism cancels sex and gender norms. We have a wonderful future of absolute chaos coming.

>>60748171

>>60748160 (OP)
No you

>>60749664
they want some people, but not billions. couple hundred million maybe