Thread 61294629

Welcome to the /XMR/ Monero General, dedicated to the discussion of the world's most widely adopted privacy coin.

XMR payments are anonymous, low-fee, and fully fungible. Users can send and receive XMR globally without having to worry about tainted coins. Battle-tested privacy tech (Ring Signatures, Stealth Addresses and RingCT) ensures that critical TX data cannot be gleaned from the Monero blockchain; the TX history of all XMR users is kept hidden, with TXs being optionally transparent via the aid of a view key.

XMR ensures low TX fees by employing a dynamic (elastic) block size that can "stretch" to easily accommodate sudden TX spikes.

XMR's mining algorithm, RandomX, is optimized for devices using general-purpose CPUs e.g. desktops, laptops, smartphones, tablets, keeping the barrier to entry low and ASICs out of the equation.

XMR's tail emission - 0.6 XMR per block forever - incentivizes for-profit miners to keep mining, helping boost long-term network security. This constant linear inflation trends to zero and is offset by coin loss.

XMR has proven to be the only altcoin capable of overcoming BTC's network effect by driving it out of the darknet economy BTC dominated for over 10 years. XMR is also starting to overtake BTC in clearnet commerce as well.

If you still have questions, feel free to ask. A MoneroChad will be with you shortly.

XMR Redpill: https://youtube.com/watch?v=wq6w03E2DS4

BUY XMR: https://monero.eco/exchanges/
Crypto ATMs: https://coinatmradar.com/

XMR Resources: https://monero.observer/resources/

XMR Stats: https://moneroj.net

USE XMR: https://cryptwerk.com/pay-with/xmr/

OFFICIAL WEBSITE: https://getmonero.org

MINING:
https://www.getmonero.org/get-started/mining/

WALLETS:
>Desktop
Official GUI/CLI wallet
Featherwallet

>Mobile
Cakewallet
Monero.com wallet
Monerujo (Android only)

>Infodumps
https://rentry.org/monero-explained
https://moneroinfodump.neocities.org

Previous: >>61234254

tldr: another shitcoin not needed

privacy exists on the only real blockchain - BTC, for ones that know how (coinjoin and more)

>Is mining profitable?
>Why should I mine?
See: https://moneroj.net/hashvsprice/
This chart shows that mining makes XMR more valuable by making the network more secure and more expensive to attack. If you have an interest in increasing the value of XMR, consider mining.

>Pools
https://miningpoolstats.stream/monero
Note: qubic.org is a malicious pool that does NOT payout in XMR.

>Reddit
https://www.reddit.com/r/MoneroMining
>CPU benchmarks
https://xmrig.com/benchmark
>Profit calculator
https://www.coinwarz.com/mining/monero/calculator
Note: the hash rates on xmrig.com are more accurate

>I'm rich and want a dedicated mining device
Antminer X5
Hashrate: 212000 H/s
Power draw: 1350 W
Cost: ~$2800, Doesn't include shipping costs
Hashes per $: ~70
By far the most powerful miner on the market. There's no official bitmain support for this device; you're on your own for updates/repairs

>I'm poor and want a dedicated mining device
MINISFORUM 795S7
Hashrate: 19250 H/s
Power draw: 142 W
Cost: $607 shipped
Hashes per $: 32
As of 2025 it's the best bang for your buck. No room for upgrades, though.

>On P2Pool
Mining in P2Pool is easier than ever with Gupax:

1. Download the *bundled* version of Gupax for your OS here: https://gupax.io/downloads/
2. Extract somewhere (Desktop, Documents, etc)
3. Launch Gupax
4. Input your Monero address in the [P2Pool] tab. USE A SEPARATE MINING-ONLY WALLET!
5. Select a Community Monero Node that you trust, or your own node
6. Start P2Pool
7. Start XMRig

VIDEO GUIDE: https://gupax.io/guide/

>DUE TO BOTNETS XMRIG IS AUTO-FLAGGED AS MALWARE BY MOST ANTI-VIRUSES, SO DON'T FREAK OUT!!!

>Can I use my GPU too?
Yes. MoneroOcean mines GPU-shitcoins, sells them, and pays you out in XMR. To get started, visit the help page on:
https://moneroocean.stream/

>IF MINING ON MONEROOCEAN MAKE SURE YOU'RE USING MO-XMRig TO MAXIMIZE PROFITS

Remember, the value of any currency is in it's acceptance.

>Help grow the circular Monero economy: buy/sell goods & services with/for XMR!

https://monerica.com/
https://xmrbazaar.com/
https://www.reddit.com/r/moneromarket/new/
https://kycnot.me/?t=service&q=&xmr=on

>Shop on Amazon with XMR!
https://monezon.com
https://peershop.app

>Live off XMR with Cake Pay (now available in 140+ countries!)
https://cakepay.com/

>or with CoinCards
https://coincards.com/

>Monero stickers for guerilla marketing
http://monerosupplies.com/

>Anonymous burner phone numbers
https://silent.link/

>Monero-only VPS hosting
https://kyun.host/

>Win XMR!
https://monero.vegas/

>Darknet vendors for more exotic goods and services
# = recently launched, exercise caution

>Alias Market #
>Asur Market
>Babylon #
>Calypso #
>Candy Haven #
>Chimera Market
>Cloud Market
>Cypher Market
>Dark Matter
>DrugHub #
>DrugTown #
>Drugula #
>FilthyFellas
>Gofish Market #
>Gramazon #
>Hectate Market #
>Mercury Market #
>Pygmalion's Refuge
>Retro Market
>Smackers
>Sonanza Market #
>Squid Market
>SuperMarket #
>Tribe Seuss
>Whales Market #
>Wizard's Palace #
>World Trade Center #
Links: https://pastebin.com/raw/fF95wTNi


Anonymously exchange BTC for XMR using a reputable darknet service

>Infinity Project
https://pastebin.com/raw/pbCycXsC

or a reputable clearnet service

https://trocador.app
https://orangefren.com
https://eigenwallet.org
https://basicswapdex.com

Or retoswap, an XMR-centric fork of Bisq
https://retoswap.com/

>Want to support further development?
https://ccs.getmonero.org/donate/
https://monerofund.org/

>Join a Monero Workgroup and (potentially) earn XMR!!!
https://www.getmonero.org/community/workgroups/

>Want more organic Monero-chan?
https://www.monerochan.art/

>>61294634
Go get your exchange account flagged, faggot

>>61294886
>Go get your exchange account flagged, faggot
you got ALL exchange accounts always flagged by using moNEGRO at all, you dumb nigger
kek what a loser

instead bitcoin plays the winning game, carefully subverst the powers that be without getting in their face

>>61295052
>carefully subverst the powers that be without getting in their face
Subverting to the powers that be by kneeling and sucking on their giant Cock Of Compliance

DOOMPA

>>61295161
what are you talking about you big retard
>I use some popular terms to get anons to buy my shitcoin

>>61294634
>for ones that know how
digital cash everyone!

>>61295052
>carefully subverst the powers that be without getting in their face
sure you are ;) hey did you see the new SAYLORASSET2351?

>>61295298

monero-chan assets deflating

>>61295298
still looking good to me

how do we convince these niggas to take monero

>>61295298
just wait till the orange man stimmy checks arrive

>>61295872
send emails asking but also you can use trocador as a swap and payment method
>https://trocador.app/en/anonpay

>>61295872
Shill payment processors that work with XMR
From what I've read vendors don't take XMR because they've been told it's too hard. In reality there's plenty of plug-n-play solutions these days and more in the works.
https://monero.eco/payments/

>>61294629 (OP)
suggestion to add
https://kycnot.me/?currency-mode=or&currencies=xmr
to the op link list

>>61295052
>>instead bitcoin plays the winning game, carefully subverst the powers that be without getting in their face
kek subvert the Establishment while relying on it to not hurt you in the process, fucking genius.

MyMonero closing, what's up with that?

>>61296546
>https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/1nzq8p1/announcement_mymonero_is_sunsetting_stewardship/
>After a decade of service, we believe it's time for the ecosystem to move toward more decentralized solutions. Light wallets requiring view keys are increasingly at odds with Monero's privacy evolution. We'd rather sunset gracefully and hand the reins to a fantastic successor than compromise on privacy. -FluffyPony

>>61295872
Did you ask them

reporting in

https://youtu.be/Khr3Jo4CrcM
New Monerokon Talk dropped

>>61298892
Where fcmp

when dex guys im sick of waiting, i wanna be able to trade memecoins and MONERO at the same time

>>61299358
Trocador.app is closest youll get to meme coins and xmr trading ATM.
Serai is just gonna be ETH/btc/xmr, retoswap takes crypto-crypto but i doubt youll fond any who want fartcoin for xmr

What are the odds another CEX like Tradeogre that doesn't care about KYC gets popular?

Thank you anons for the trocador recommendation. Swapping is so comfy.

I like monero but its too centralized with a dev team. Same issue with bitcoin core node software to be fair currently.

>>61294629 (OP)
thats like $400

can the officila wallet be used as a light client so you dont need to download the whole blockchain?

>>61302293
price for 1 xmr
>>61302304
yes, put it in simple mode with remote client

>>61302270
retard

>>61302270
>I like monero but its too centralized with a dev team

bump

>>61302270
we literally just got done telling luke parker to fuck off with the finality layer.

wownero is the google+ of crypto

>>61303152
It inspired lucky transactions though, which I hope get implemented Soon™

monero bros
how do we get humanity to accept responsibility ?
how do we get people to become the main agents of their own lives ?
how can "self-custody" even be a thing, if the average joe and jane think they can just call their local bank branch and have their money returned in case of a password breach.
how can this realistically work?
monero (and other crypto) require the user to self-custody to really use the asset's potential, but this means taking responsibility in an age where people are seeking less and less responsibility. in the age of socialism we want to let every important aspect of our lives to be managed by a third-party that the consensus (feminine) dictate. the status quo is that we're all helpless and big government or big church or big dissident is here to save us!
how can you make these people even understand the advantages of using monero?
is there anyone here who thinks about these things and imagine scenarios where things would go well or not?

Monerujo vs Cake Wallet for android? Monerujo keeps on freezing on my device.

>>61304313
you can get teh monero.com wallet if youre just gonna need xmr/btc and skip cake wallet which has a bunch of other clunk on it
>https://monero.com/wallets

>>61303648
We don't. Cucks are gonna cuck. The goal is to make it easier for Chads to Chad so their cucked friends get cucked less as a second order effect. XMRchat is a recent example of Chads helping their cucked friends cut their YouJude fees from 30% to ~2%.

What do /XMR/ think of Zano?

>>61305067
Premine + PoS

>>61302461
>>61302662
>>61303152
Its a centralized shitcoin sadly. I wish satoshi made bitcoin more private but it is what it is.

>>61305571
>Its a centralized shitcoin sadly.
Irrelevant opinion is irrelevant

>>61303648
Crypto will never has mass adoption. Accept this. Normies don't want to be their own bank and assume all the risks inherent to self-custody. Nor are they ever going to accept losing the many consumer protections that come baked into tradfi payments.

The only scenario where millions of normies are using XMR on a regular basis is the one where they're forced to, where shopping with XMR on digital grey markets gives them something they can't get anywhere else. Just like how normies right now are using Tor, PGP and XMR for DNM shopping only because they're forced to. If it was up to them, they'd be buying blow with PayPal over the clearnet.

>>61303605
>lucky transactions
spoon feed please

>>61305630
Its not an opinion. Any coin with one "dev team" will never truly be decentralized

What’s the name of that asian guy that has video presentations on XMR? Or if anyone has a link to his videos that’d be great.

>>61306115
There are actually zero "dev teams" because each of the devs operate largely independently and frequently disagree about major changes such as the finality layer recently

>>61306115
>one "dev team"
There is no singular dev team, numbskull.

>>61306440
>>61306468
Tell me more about it. Where is the repo? I would like to look around the code

I used a hardware wallet to create a Monero GUI wallet and saved the primary address. I then wiped the HW wallet. Now, when I access the GUI with the same HW wallet it has a different primary address. Is that normal?

>>61307115
git gud
https://github.com/monero-project/monero

>>61294629 (OP)
Been a while since I used monero, what's the current (if any) way to convert XMR to BTC away from exchanges

>>61306290
Nvm found him. It’s Dr. Daniel Kim.

>>61307636
Nvm I’m retarded

>>61305989
https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab/issues/145

TLDR: an attacker would need to have 51% more hashpower and 51% more lucky transactions than the honest chain to 51% attack.

>>61306440
Does this mean that anyone can propose a consensus change? Or just hand selected devs?

>>61309700
Anyone can propose an issue in the Github and everyone will see it. Good proposals will get attention/comments from the major devs. You can also petition the CCS for funding so that you can build and test your proposal. If there's sufficient support for it you can get paid to improve Monero.

https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab/issues?page=1
https://ccs.getmonero.org/

>>61307846
trocador.app- online swap
retoswap.com- desktop p2p client like bisq
kycnot.me- list of non kyc services

>>61309793
>Monero is decentralized
>gatekept by Microsoft

>>61310806
>what are git mirrors
https://git.hackliberty.org/Git-Mirrors/monero

>>61294629 (OP)
will i make it with 3 XMR

>>61295723
kek now this is quality

>>61305989
Doesn't it basically allow someone to pull off a chain reorg with less than 51% as long as they can tx a lot old coins on their reorged chain?

I'm just trying to understand... I personally think PoW is the only way forward, fuck PoS or Proof-of-TXing-Old-Coins, but it seems to me like lucky transactions are basically a small step away from PoW. If that small step away from PoW is supposedly good and makes attacks harder, why not take a huge step away from it?

>>61314199
>>61314199
>Doesn't it basically allow someone to pull off a chain reorg with less than 51% as long as they can tx a lot old coins on their reorged chain?
'a lot' in this case means more than all honest users combined. See >>61309376
And pic rel.
If we assume that the 24H volume on CMC is correct and ~500k XMR are traded back and forth every day, an attacker with 40% hash power would need to control ~338k of those XMR to do a 51% attack.

Can someone address this FUD for me? I think I remember someone bringing this sort of stuff up months ago but I don’t remember what the answer was

FCMP will introduce outgoing view keys to Monero, which when combined with the existing incoming view keys will provide a complete view key set for the first time. They will obviously be optional, and default opt-in.

In my opinion, the creation of these view keys will allow CEXes to relist Monero, because for the first time it makes them even have a possibility of auditing Monero. Obviously exchanges will mandate the use of view keys if they list it. Assuming this is true, here’s the FUD:

1) won’t these view keys be a very substantial part of moneros transactions, since they’ll likely take place on CEXes, thereby creating significant heuristic analysis possibilities?

2) how is this functionally any different than Zcash at that point? You’ll still be required to take your coins off exchanges to enjoy the privacy benefits.

3) doesn’t this undermine a lot of the credibility Monero has built up over the years for being “banned by exchanges”?

4) how will you differentiate the coin from zcash in a future where Monero is listed on exchanges (therefore compliant), the majority of transactions are probably transparent, and users need to take specific steps to get privacy

Thank you for reading my FUD

>>61316162
CEXs will not relist Monero, the threat posed by XMR will persist so delistings will only continue. There is no future for legit privacy coins on KYC'd platforms.

>>61312444
>disclosing the amount of Monero you own
NGMI

>>61315437
>would need to control ~338k of those XMR to do a 51% attack.
That's just loose cash for a government like US or china.

>>61316372
The point is that FCMP outgoing view keys make Monero less of a threat so long as CEXes can force their users to provide the keys.

>>61315437
Understood, but two questions:
1) Wouldn't liquidity providers and coin swappers be able to get that amount of XMR quite easily? What about darknet markets? Have all those moved away from custodial wallets or do they keep XMR for escrow that they could use for a 51%?
2) If accumulating 338k XMR is harder than accumulating 51% of the hashing power, wouldn't a system based ONLY on lucky transactions be better than any mixed system where the hashing power is basically discounting the impact of lucky transactions?

If I understand correctly: it's not that you'll need BOTH 51% hash and 51% lucky transactions, it's going to be a mixture where if you have say 90% of the hash then you need almost no lucky transactions to do the re-org and conversely if you have 90% of the lucky transactions you need almost no hashing power. I don't know if the mixture is linear or if there's a way to weight some power of each so that you need a more balanced mix to win... Or am I wrong and perhaps the best chain is the one which has the best min(hashpower,luckytxs)? I should go read the spec in more detail.

>>61316372
What if they list it to intentionally damage it though?

>>61317528
I’m reading more about the outgoing view keys in the biz archives. Apparently it won’t sacrifice anonymity even to the exchange, but it will show how much and when XMR enters or leaves a wallet (not the other party). So exchanges will theoretically be okay with that because it gives them enough info to tax them and audit for governments.

So that resolves the heuristic concern and is different from t addresses in zcash. It will still be a similar argument to normies though, you’re going to have to encourage leaving CEXes ASAP which is what ztrash shills will probably say also.

>>61317216
Irrelevant, the ultimate point is that governments don't want people using credible privacy tools, especially the kind that enable the bypassing of capital controls. That's the cost of being a badass cypherpunk technology - you get mad street cred but become a public enemy in the eyes of the Establishment.

>>61317528
>What if they list it to intentionally damage it though?
The reputational damage from CEXs listings isn't down to the listings themselves, its down to the shameless regulator dick sucking and compromises made to get there. See ZEC.

>>61317590
>So exchanges will theoretically be okay with that because it gives them enough info to tax them and audit for governments.
Exchanges will do what they are told. The soft ban on XMR in Japan, South Korea and Australia was all down to governmental pressure.

Do not get your hopes up, the CEX delistings will only continue. Focus instead on growing DEX liquidity because eventually DEXs are all we'll have left. But in the long run, that will make Monero immune to liquidity attacks while everything else will remain at the mercy of Daddy Gubmint and therefore decentralized in name only.

>>61316162
These questions all assume that the community will accept the terms of the exchanges. If they don't and go the way of the DEX then it won't matter. If normies fall for it and get told by OGs to immediately sweep to an uncompromised address, then it also won't matter.

>>61317515
Your questions are probably the reason why tevador started the proposal with the idea that it probably shouldn't be implemented. I'm actually not sure if a finality layer is even needed, but I'd much rather lucky transactions than PoS, even if the PoS pays nothing for finalizing blocks.
I also wonder if it's even needed if we go with Share or Perish {https://github.com/monero-project/research-lab/issues/146} instead

posting monero chan in the monero thread

>>61318672
Patriot

No coiner here, will I make it if I give a few hundred dollars to Monero chan?

>>61320297
Why not work for some XMR instead? You'll get some coins and you'll help those coins be worth more since you're helping the economy built around them.

>>61320591
Where can I work for xmr

what happeend to wownero i just found out it got removed from coinmarket cap and its delisted or some shit

would using Trocador to swap USDT to Monero in Binance flag me or something

>>61320607
Open a shop on XmrBazaar and sell goods or services.

>>61320653
i would keep my monero segregated from my other activities, but you do you.

>>61320297
No but your few hundred will appreciate at about the same rate as gold.