Thread 21618974

Bordeaux edition

>First day of Autumn (prime wine season) started a few day ago
>No wine thread outside of an abhorrent rose thread on the catalog

Let's get this started

I drink cheap euro wine but i do it daily to get some energy for gaming

bump

>>21619107
what vidya, just got done with wilksong

Aving
Luving

Muscadet kinda day

>>21621822
Based

>>21621822
might be txakolina for me

I don’t think I like viognier

>>21622213
Def not something I drink much of

>>21618974 (OP)
Where my Vermentino Chads at?

>>21622311
present, got a SLO Coast Vermentino I plan on opening at some point this weekend.

>>21618974 (OP)
Don't care for Bordeaux. Only drink Burgundy or Rhone.
What does /vin/ think?

>>21622749
Is picrel how you view yourself?

>>21622777
No

>>21622749
>Rhone
*Rhône

>>21622883
I'm aware. Didn't think that was necessary

Syrah time

>>21622749
I think young bordeaux is too austere and kinda shitty, especially compared to young rhone or young burgundy--for both white and red--well aged bordeaux can fucking sing as good as any wine out there and it ages so so soooo well in good vintages and even "off vintage" bordeaux starts punching well above its price tag with 10 years of age on it.

>>21618974 (OP)
You're thoughts on This?

>>21623385
this is one of the wines of all time

>>21623370
pic rel

>>21623385
If you want cheap ass Chardonnay, picrel was $15.

>>21622749
>Only drink Burgundy
>What does /vin/ think

you must be rich.

>>21623385
Don't sweat this just drink what tastes good to you. Also snobs look down on it, so there's that. I used to like it, I'm not such a fan anymore. But that was decades ago, preferences change over time. The wine may have changed too but it was probably more a me issue.

>>21622749
Richfag detected indeed
I drink mostly Jura savagnin, but I live there so it doesn't really count

>>21623907
well maybe he lives in Beaune

>>21623907
>Jura
>Origin: The Alps
trololol

>>21623999
I haven't had a Jura wine yet but I've only heard great things

>French/German/Spanish wine producer in Italy
:/
>Japanese wine producer in Italy
:O

>>21623907
Not actually rich (100k goy) but idk I just don't enjoy Bordeaux and find the other two regions far more enjoyable. And also how is Rhone, rich? You get some serious value stuff there specially cru stuff. On that note forgot to say (but kinda included) cru beaujolais too.

>>21624021
is this a real problem or are you just trying to make ragebait with obscure references to something that didn't happen (but sounds like it would have)

also I think you misspelled "in France"

>>21624192
>also I think you misspelled "in France"
exact same rules apply. Every French, Italian and Spanish wine that was hyped because it had a Japanese label on it has been overrated, not bad wine, but overrated.

>>21618974 (OP)
Is that a Lidl wine?

>>21624199
I have never seen a japanese winemaker being hyped for italy or spain but to be fair I stopped going to the millennial tech bro wine shop where I used to encounter those kinds of things. now I get my bottle recs from a 70 year old man with an accent I can't identify who looks like some kind of ethnic but I can't identify that either

Speaking of Jap wine. I had some Muscat Bailey A while in japan and it just felt like a tamer Gamay.

>>21624219
theres a few in emilia-romagna making natty orange wines and sparklers

>>21624238
Gamay always came across as Nebbiolo's retarded little coursin

Got some homemade lasagna cooking in the oven. Trying to decide between a Chianti Classico reserva and a Bibi Graetz Testamatta.

>>21624356
I'd go with the sexy label bibi :P

>>21624352
Not sure I agree (especially when you take into account price). Tho I do find nebbiolo, Pinot noir and Gamay similar.
>>21624356
Chianti here

>>21624350
oh, that's probably why. I occasionally drink vecchia modena lambrusco but otherwise I don't touch italian bubbly and I can't say I've ever had an italian orange wine either

>>21624368
if you like that you should check out paltrinieri piria lambrusco di sorbara, they drink well young.

>>21624373
I think paltrinieri makes an even darker one than the piria, that one’s a bit pink.

>>21618974 (OP)
Does honey wine count?

Universal, Burg or Bdx glass?
Will use for everything but I mostly stick to (french) Chardonnays, Rieslings, and PN/Gamay.

>>21624543
universal, I had a varietal specific phase back when I was too stupid to use the dishwasher for wine glasses, when they all ended up breaking I switched to universal and while doing the research on my next glasses also found out about the dishwasher thing, haven't had a breakage since

>>21624549
But isn't a Bdx glass just a bigger Universal? Seems like a slightly better value? Idk.
I don't have a dishwasher so I'll take the risk.

Trying orange wine for the first time. This stuff, at least this particular bottle, is awesome - it has some of the lightness, delicateness, and crispness of white wine with some of the robustness or 'meatiness' you have with a red. I'm not a wine connoisseur and I just buy cheap dry whites and reds to get drunk - two bottles of wine will usually do me for a big night; it's a better and more panther-like buzz compared to drinking the equivalent amount of beer, which tends to make me feel sluggish. A cheap sauvignon blanc will initally be light and refreshing but will get too acidic, reducing its drinkability. A cheap cabernet sauvignon can initially be good but there's this almost metallic quality that starts rearing its head and leaving too much of an aftertaste by the second bottle - obviously you wanna get more drunk so you'll keep drinking anyway, but you become conscious of it being 'heavy' to drink. This orange wine bridges the gap and is very, very drinkable.

I really have to do some proper wine tasting to determine what I like beyond dry=good, sweet=bad.

>>21624507
Sure.

>>21618974 (OP)
me birfday soon. should go well with a big ass steak.

Primitivo chads where we at?

>>21623412
>Santa Ynez region
very underrated area. the best American Sangiovese I ever had was from a small winery in Los Olivos

>>21625405
name of the producer?

>>21624543
universal zalto

>>21624543
>reds
uni ≥ burg > bord
>whites
riesling ≥ uni >> burg (for all whites excluding 1er cru and above burgundy) >>> anything else

>>21625402
grim

>>21625517
>CT
85 isn't bad tho, it's not like it's an 85 on vivino. an 85 on delectable is good

>>21625483
>>21625507
Okay universal then. Thanks

>>21625381
niceeeeeeee

>>21624507
Yes tej is based

Micro haul

>>21626273
I have a few bottles of the 2018 Frogs Leap.
Excited to open them soon.

>>21626283
How long would you suggest aging frogs leap cab? I opened a 2021 recently and found it young but drinkable

Can /vin/ recommend me a bottle of champagne that is not too expensive but still a nice gift for an elderly relative.

>>21626429
Could prob have the 19 now if you like it not too old. I've had one of the 18s earlier this year and it was great. I don't like them too old. I'll prob drink mine just at 10 years.

>>21626540
I don’t mind them old or young. As long as it isn’t dead or so austere that I feel like I’m committing infanticide.

Sunday dinner... thinking Barbera d'Asti

>>21618974 (OP)
I love red wine I could live with only red wine the rest of my life, I understand how White wine is made and its flavor profile and what it pairs with... I just dont "get" the point of it though. I love red so much, white is pointless

>>21626824
and how did you come to this conclusion?

>>21626459
Decent stuff about $50

Bought These 2 recently, cant wait to open them

>>21626459
tattinger or this >>21626872
finding either of these for under $50 shouldn't be too hard

what's the driest red wine of them all? i want to drink it

>>21626928
nebbiolo probably

>>21626857
Drinking lots of red wine lmao

>>21626960
but have you drank lots of white wine?

>>21624216
grabbed it from total wine, was feeling like grabbing a random rhone/bordeaux on that day in particular. Haven't had it yet, drank a French pinot recently instead

>>21625405
Santa Barbara is an hour and a half away form me, I do frequent trips with a visit to the vineyards in SY, great time and solvang is next to them you wanna fuck around after

>>21626987
hot take: bar le cote is better than bell's

>>21626990
Havnt been to Los olivos, I stick to SB/SY/solvang generally but may go next time

>>21627132
highly recommend, best meals i had in santa barbara

Petrus vs DRC?

>>21627234
still never tasted DRC but Petrus--and really all good blue clay Merlot--are a different animal from Pinot Noir

>>21626928
Italian reds, nebbiolo, supertuscans, brunello, chianti, northern etna. Aged Bordeaux and Rioja can be pretty damn dry too. Priorat should be included on that list too.

guys I got accepted to study in the master of wine program
what should I drink to celebrate

>>21627277
Champagne and congrats. How did you get to that point? I can't even get a bussing job at a fine dining restaurant right now.

>>21625517
recc me a good one I can get at the LCBO then

>>21627364
if LCBO is canada stuff i'd recommend BACA Rock's Pile Zinfandel or Ridge's Zin. the 2019 vintage is drinking exceptionally well right now. if you need to sell that shit an make some money in canada because nobody will buy american alc look into Brindisi and Primitivo di Manduria, i think caiaffa and castello monaci make good primitivo iirc

>>21627308
>start in shitty restaurant
>eventually get some wine training
>hey this is fun
>move into nicer restaurants over time because good at job
>some of them cover or reimburse for wine education
>get certified
>get advanced
>get sick of the court of master sommeliers
>get WSET diploma
>apply for Master of Wine

I don't get paid commensurate to the amount of effort I've put in but I do make a salary with PTO and a bonus in the restaurant industry, which is nice

>>21627913
that does sound nice, what would you do with a MW?

>>21627277
beer

Riesling time

>>21621144
>only ever drink chablis and petit chablis
>decide it's finally time to pony up and get a 1er cru
>mfw it tastes closer to california chardonnay

>>21629016
Based which region?
>>21629086
Weird to jump straight from Chablis to 1er cru (presumably) Cote Du Beaune (?). Unless you mean 1er Chablis?

>>21629098
*chablis premier cru
maybe that's just not a very good cru or the vintage was poor or this producer was just some schmuck. either way, –$60

>>21629098
This one. It’s too sweet.

>>21629150
>Dry
Kek

>>21629627
most common riesling problem

>>21629930
Well if its German or Austrian and says Trocken it's definitely going to be dry. Or is GG.
Alsatian Rieslings are almost always dry (not certain but don't think they even make off dry or sweet Riesling).

>>21629955
GG should always be bone dry. Trocken can have 9g/L and come across as sweet, honestly anything over 5g/L is detectably sweet on my palate.

About to run to Trader Joe's, anything I should keep my eyes out for?

>>21630302
No. Save your money, get a decent bottle instead.

>>21630340
18.99

>>21618974 (OP)
>Bordeaux
It's overrated as fuck and cruising on past fame, when it was the epitome of bourgeoisie wine (needs cellar and time because it has to be aged).

>>21626459
Vouvray is a cheaper decent alternative.

>tfw a friend tried to make my gf and me guess the tasting notes of a red wine and we each got two of the four listed on the bottle
You do have a decent palate too, don't you?

>>21630646
*spoiler: the poor lad couldn't taste any of them

>>21630620
if you said this three years ago I might agree, it's fairly accurate for its value. you can find off vintage bordeaux with good age on it for under $20 bucks

>>21630646
my mom is a supertaster and my palate is almost as good as her's

>>21630631
I'm aving a Vouv t'nignt.
Based my friend

>>21630631
How the hell is vouvray a substitute for champagne? I like them both but that's just not a reasonable suggestion at all.

>>21626928
Aglianico

>>21630755
Maybe he meant cremant de loire

>>21630885
Maybe but if we're doing "french bubbly that's kind of like champagne" I'd have gone with cremant de bourgogne

>>21618995
Get smoked, pussy

moscato d'asti

Dr. Loosen's blue label

>>21622919
what kind of people do you imagine posting itt?

>>21633060
If you know anything about wine you'd know what he meant with or without the accent.
>>21633044
Pretty good value stuff

smells like pastry

raw nuts on the finish

>>21633136
Unless you're a nigger spell words properly.

>>21618974 (OP)
had a box of this , only one left. good but not memorable, but in general i prefer barolo to bordeaux.

>>21633536
im not typing in alt codes for some fag language

>>21633628
Classic nigger behavior.

>>21633628
>>21633662
Guys - thread is about wine stay on topic

Opinions on Carménère wine? I know it's mostly made in Chile nowadays

Haven’t tried this AOC yet but I love Southern Rhône so I decided to pick up this lil goober

>>21633787
It’s good as long as there’s no peppery notes. Usually I like pepper in my cab franc but with Carmenere I think it’s an objective flaw for unripeness. Really soft varietal when they get it right tho, good fruit, very baking pastry and desserty in the tertiary characteristics. Picrel is a good entry expression, very very modestly priced.

why does the cork smell like panettone?

>>21633662
you missed a comma >>21633536 pseud nigger

>>21634435
Capitalize and punctuate, nigger.

>>21634439
mmm
nyo
maybe it’s easier for you to type with diacritics since phone keyboards have handy GUIs for that as well as autocorrect, but you should’ve noticed that little grammar squiggly linking a dependent clause before an independent one without a comma. I guess you’re just a retarded edgelord hick who likes pretending he’s fancy while saying nigger and posting off-topic
Last reply to you vermin for I won’t continue shitting up the thread with this

'21 St. Emilion tonight, last I tasted was '15, a good vintage, not sure what to expect from here

>>21629107
2020s are garbage, categorically, terrible hot shitty vintage
2021s are the real hotness (cold and rainy)
the reality is the bad sites (petit chablis) are now ideal climate and the 1er/grand cru sites are now consistently too hot

>>21618974 (OP)
What do anons think of port and fortified wines?

>>21635476
Fucking photo.

>>21635476
>>21635479
I like sherry, not a big port fan, I don't mind it if it's there but I don't get excited over it

>>21624040
Rhône has both cheap and expensive stuff, but the good old cheap and decent Côtes du Rhône is getting more and more hard to find. Nowadays you need to spend at least 10 euros for a decent bottle. 20 years ago you could find good ones for 3 euros.
Burgundy has virtually no reasonably priced wine though. I couldn't find anything below 10 euros for a boeuf bourguignon last week.

>>21635479
That's a lot of gold medals. Must be breddy good.

Ima get some wine.

>>21635862
wtf same

>>21636031
Mon Cheri, you are a man of sharp wit and good instinct, like myself.

'22 vintage in general is overrated imho

I had some cheap Morgon 2023 at the poor people store

Not great not terrible but it sure hits the spot to get drunk

>>21636040
their trebbiano is good too icymi

>>21636225
Always reliable for the price.
I'm having the remains of the my vouvray

>>21624040
I didn't figure Rhone/Burgundy to be associated with richness either, i tend to buy those in the same price range as Bordeaux

t. Fellow 100k goy

>>21636323
Based truth sayer

>>21636323
100k is richfag tier for French standards, actually here people are considered rich if they earn more than 4 k€/month (10% of the population). You might pay a bit more since it's imported stuff but you can still probably afford better wines than the top 5% of French earners

>>21636627
Im a burger living in north Los Angeles, 100K is decent per the cost of living here (lowish if in a family unit which im not)

>>21636627
100k is rich by french standards because you can go to a doctor for basically free and you can break your arm and go to the ER and you won't go to debtor's prison for life over a $100k medical bill at 17.5% APR

what goes with potato pierogis and kielbasa?

>>21636633
I know but it still means that the price of a bottle is a very small fraction of your income
>>21636648
m8 even if you paid 50 k$ per annum for health (which you don't) you would be among the top 10% french earners with your remaining 50k, stop making excuses

>>21636675
once you factor in the cost of a DIY social safety net the difference is not anywhere near as large as you think

>>21636680
Well maybe, but I see that the average annual health expenditure in the US is around 18 k$ (probably skewed by oldfags) so I'm pretty sure that this DIY social safety doesn't add up to 50 k$

>>21636687
I suppose age matters, if you're making $100k at 21 then it's a different story than $100k at age 50

$100k is not much in the US these days.
t. $480k goy

>>21636692
It still makes buying a bottle much less of a strain on your budget than for the average yuro. I would know I've lived in Switzerland with a salary that was below 100 k$, the difference with the rest of yurop was huge.
Anyway I've derailed the thread, sorry about that. Enjoy your bottles anons.

Speaking of Burgundy, any recommendations for a $30-$40 pinot from there?

>>21636692
How's that bottle of DRC?

>>21636735
Domaine Collotte Marsannay, all of them, but especially the Champsolomon
note: not super common, and might be slightly above 40

>>21636735
'21 P&L Borgeot Bourgogne, think it goes for $35

>>21635476
Port and fortified wines are seriouly underrated.

so apparently Nova Scotia makes wine and it’s actually pretty good. Any leafs know any other good East Coast wineries I should try? I hear there’s some wine being done in Long Island but I have no idea if it’s just vanity projects for rich people or anything worth buying.

>>21636653
Anything high acid, low to medium tannins red or high acid white with lees influence or some light malo. So oaked Chablis for white, Saumur-Champigny Cab Franc for red.

>>21637396
unsettling chin

>>21637396
Domaine l'espiègle

>>21637498
jej
>>21637577
Have had them before along with a few other Quebec wines. Actually met one of the owners at a tasting and enjoyed their stuff but Pinard mogs them hard. Their reds are stunning and their Frontenac Blanc under flor was fucking fire.

>>21636743
>>21636748
Will be on the lookout, thanks

>>21637629
I haven’t tried Pinard

alright lads, what should I expect?

>>21637695
warm vintage, what's the abv?

>>21637695
Overrated year and an overrated wine.
Not even joking you could probably trade it and get 6 bottles that are better. Or even you can get 2-3 cases of Le Puy or 1 case of Cuvee Barthelemieu which is a far superior Bordeaux for that vintage.

>>21637718
12.8%, im no a wine drinker. I bought it as a wedding gift for a friend and his new wife

>>21637746
It's a good gift. Nobody's going to be upset for being gifted a first growth and 12.8% Lafite sounds like it could be really balanced. If I was gifted this I'd probably wait another decade to decant it and serial taste it over a few hours.

>Got burned on a Monterrey Pinot Noir
should’ve known better

Biltmore has some relatively sloppy stuff, and some absolutely marvelous stuff. If you ever find yourself around Asheville definitely visit the estate and partake a free tasting.

Thoughts on Sagrantino?

>>21637842
sagrandeeznutz

Greco di Tufo

I'm drinking Steve-Oh Grigiot....my buddy Steve made it

>>21637842
Love me Sagrantino. Try Lorenzo Mattoni if you haven't already.
>>21637790
I genuinely don't know if Monterrey even produces a single wine of consequence at this point. Martha Stoumen is alright but its still mid compared to literally every other fun red blend from Santa Barbara or Santa Cruz.

>>21637842
Probably in my top 5 Italian red varietals.

>>21637842
Pretty good

Never tasted Chilean Chardonnay before.

>>21623385
>>Is picrel how you view yourself?

>>21624543
Is picrel how you view yourself?

>>21629086
Picrel is how I view myself

>>21638326
Yes

>>21636286
I'll have to seek it out

>>21637695
saline and florals, and what the kids call "etherial" fruit
it's fucking good but also too expensive
they really don't hit their stride till year 15-20

>>21637572
Dauvissat and Raveneau, the two most acclaimed producers in chablis, both use new oak

Puligny vs Chassagne?

>>21638461
meursault
don't (you) me

>>21638456
Is that what they're saying in California these days? We might need a '90s Barolo Wars level controversy to break out in Chablis to finally send all these new oak fetishists back to Napa and Puligny.

>>21638699
there are 2 types of chablis drinkers
>richfags review-bombing the highest quality cult petit chablis labels for being too steely, minerally, acidic and not showing enough tropical fruits, sweet oak and fuller body
>brokies scoring the wine "+90 excellent" with tears in their eyes after paying their month's rent on something they couldn't pick out from mâcon or sonoma in a blind tasting

Thoughts on this?

>>21637695
>2020
Uh... Anon, don't you think it's a little out of date?

>>21638462
(You)

>>21638858
looks like australian riesling

>>21639282
Yes, wondering if any ausfags here drink it.

what's good wine with 0% vol
alternatively good grape juice

>>21639348
welch's

>>21618974 (OP)
Drank this shit in Morocco was like 5 euros, good shit

>>21623385
Lovely, I like to pour it and say, wah lah

Bastard Montrachet

>>21638303
I am chilean but have zero reference for what wine from other countries tastes like, people say chilean wine is so good etc. but I haven't really been able to say for myself that is the case, I don't know if it's real or just marketing bullshit

>>21639437
chile makes outstanding wine

>I actually like crunching on the tartrate shards from the bottom of a poorly conditioned wine bottle
Am I autistic?

>>21639523
I thought crystals were indicative of properly stored bottles?

>>21639523
Based wine enjoyer

Today. Chianti Reserva - something that I haven't had in years.

>>21625381
got too drunk and overcooked the steak, but the wine is great. not as leathery as i was expecting.

>>21639948
lots of black fruit and bright acidity up front, even after all this time. cedar, forest floor and leather follow. no real graphite compared to a lot of paulliac, a bit of red fruit and a hint of perfume. i feel like this bottle is peaking rn.

>>21639948
Good shit

>>21627277
If they sell in the states, buy a big fat bottle of casillero.

>>21639948
>>21640000
are you collecting any recent vintages to lay down? cheers btw

>>21627384
>Primitivo di Manduria
this was a good crowd pleaser at a family get together, ty anon

>>21637147
Agreed, I drank a few glasses over the weekend. It tasted like red wine fruitcake and brandy, not overly sweet or anything. I wonder why there aren't many who like them.

>>21640237
NP :) LCBO has some nice stuff on their website, I haven't seen some of these Idi di Marzo labels in the US, I thought they were all Torre Zambra's declassified Villamagna Riserva (Abruzzo's strictest, purest, tiniest and newest single commune cult micro-denomination for Montepulciano on pace for DOCG by 2030) into normal Montepulciano d'Abruzzo. If you like Salento and Manduria you should try Idi di Marzo's appassimento rosso IGT if you're willing to spend CA$35 on a wine that drinks like a CA$70 sex bomb that might need a cheeky 4-8 hour decant.

I got given a Verdelho which i am pretty sure has gone bad. Because it quite literally smells and tastes like cat piss. Like that weird fucking pine smell of animal piss. I've never had a Verdelho before but I am pretty sure it's not meant to be like this

>>21629955
Alsace does do sweet Riesling, it’s called Vendage Tardives or Selection de Grains Nobiles.

>>21640695
no it definitely does smell like cat piss, it's working as intended

>>21641060
Seriously? Why would anyone make such a wine this way

>>21638858
Looks like the right size and weight to brain a Koala minding its own business in a tree with

>>21641181
Its called terroir and without it the Portuguese wine industry would be dead

>>21640933
Damn you mean labeling Riesling can be that easy? I’m starting to think Germans are trolling everyone with their labels.

>missed the dip on bordeaux varietals
Why are cab drinkers so damn grubby? Boomers really waited until the first week of the month to stabilize the trophy label secondary market. First Monday of October and they're jacking up prices again before wagies could spend a Friday paycheck on off-vintage 2nd and 3rd growth labels that aren't even in their drinking window.

cab franc tonight

STEEN

is napa kill?

Got the job, what should I buy to celebrate? no bubbles.

>>21643697
Depend on the job. Give us a rough sketch so we can subtly neg you with our wine recs.

>>21643824
Specialty coffee roasting and green coffee importing.

>>21640567
>another niche as fuck italian hillside you NEED to know about before everything from it is $300/750
why won't it end
srsly tho sounds interesting I'll look for some
>>21637723
are you that guy who goes to a paulée and plops a fuckass aligoté on the table and gives a spiel about how it's 10x better than the 96 drc monty that your neighbor just opened? because that guy is a riot

>>21643867
it never ends, that's why you need to go on vacations and ask the locals where they're drinking at

>>21643697
1er cru Montrachet

>>21643697
Cote Rotie

>>21643869
>>21643931
>>21643998
Thanks for the recs but decided on 2015 Cerbaia Brunello, should be entering its drinking window, none of the 10s, 12s or 13s were in my budget :/

>>21644112
I should give brunello another shot, I associate it with a certain moron who I used to know, and as a result of association I perhaps unjustly think very poorly of it

>>21644133
Would definitely recommend trying some of the Rosso di Montalcino to figure out which style you look before moving up to Brunello. Even in good vintages not everyone can make it right. The 2019 Rosso dM are starting to drink well and you can find them at reasonable prices

Literally have a case of st julien 2007 under my sofa

>>21643867
I don’t stan Aligoté that hard.
Also I’ve never had DRC so I wouldn’t know the difference.
>>21643869
I had 3 of his cuvées and they were fucking boring. Supposedly he started sulphuring in 2018 and since then his wine has been pedestrian shit:
>>21644437
Not a bad pick to stock up on desu.
Would recommend drinking at least 1 before the Christmas season to see how it’s coming along though.

>>21644507

I opened one for lunch during lockdown,was disgusting.
Decanted it for few hours and had it for dinner and it was delicious...
Wine is such an amazing thing .

>>21644507
>And I've never had DRC

why are german labels so autistic?

>>21644437
>07
I would drink all of those soon, they're aging quickly because of the bad vintage and will fall off soon

Going to Costco today, haul potential?

Ribera Del Duero this evening

I like this cause its cheap and tasty (:

I like Italian reds within the $10-$15 range, any suggestions? Thinking about getting a case for discounted pricing

>>21647147
I'd look for Sangiovese from Abruzzo or Sicily. Same varietal as the Chianti you posted but better quality for the price. Stuff like picrel or >>21636031 but if you want to stay in Chianti, then Banfi, Ghibello, Ruffino are all easy to find and do a better job than Gabbiano imho.

>>21647147
Negroamaro

>LeBron drinks Damilano
it's over

>>21647745
Nobody is buying Damilano because LeDisney drinks it. Even then there's over 9000 Nebbiolo wines that are as good or better on the market that won't be touched by any celebrity endorsement

>>21647861
you underestimate Bronsexuals

Viognier is like drinking a slug

I've bought this selection of 6 Bordeaux wines for sale on Amazon Prime Day.
they cost 7 euros each on average.
Did I make a decent deal?

>>21648391
those are all pretty mediocre wines, you got what you paid for at least
bordeaux superieur = the greater bordeaux area, aka it's generic wine with no real classification
look for satellite appelations like lalande-de-pomerol, fronsac, cadillac, etc for value + quality

>>21640368
They're definitely drinks that had a bit of an old fashioned look. Like the kind of thing you're great uncle who was in the war used to drink before bed.

>>21638858
It's wine that people buy when they just want want some wine to drink at the table - nothing fancy but nothing too weird, or you're a 19 year old who works in hospitality and wants to get tipsy at a party.

>>21645246

Thanks for the advice I will.

What about this?

>>21649053
I’ve never understood the point of aging champagne after it’s been disgorged

>>21649053
great year, great producer
you can drink it now-ish, no real need to wait further. It sees a shitton of lees aging so it's already a brioche and almond monster, unless you want more delicate bubbles and more dried lemon/apple

Anyone here used winebid? Was it worth?

Should I just ignore Italian wines that dont have this on their bottle?

>>21649176
no, in fact there are incredible producers that reject the DOC/G laws that mandate oak usage
it's great for consistency but some of the best wines in Italy are not classified
see: Le Pergole Torte

Best red wine under $10?
(and nothing below 12%abv plz)

Needs to have a reasonably classy label tho, so the people at the liquor store dont think im a drunk.

>>21649176
This thing is meaningless for a variety of reasons

>>21649176
if it doesn't even have vdt on the label then it doesn't meet any of italy's legal definition of wine. that said, italy's classification system ensures authenticity, but not every DOCG does a good job at ensuring quality which is why we have all these new certifications and unions popping up. see picrel
>>21649193
you mean *declassified
Le Pergole Torte is IGT

>>21649223
LJ Pinot Noir

25 years ago I was working in a 3 Michelin stars restaurant and when it closed down I took the fine wine list.

Want to see more?

>>21649397
>>21649402
yawn, any cool shit on there?

>>21626824
I used to drink white wine, back when i was gay.
But now that i am straight, i exclusively drink red.
White wine is for faggots and therefore should not exist, anyone who regularly drinks white should be drawn and quartered.
>>21649223
Admit that you are an alcoholic, and just buy it by the boxed gallon, its way cheaper than standard size bottles and actually alot less conspicuous than loading up a shopping cart with a dozen fuckin bottles of <$10 bottom shelf.

Pecorino today

>>21648549
I like old fashioned, I had some more last night. I like how long it keeps too, though I imagine fortified wines usually do.

'22 Le Complice Tablas Creek

Just had this (actually having it rn) with some pesto pasta I made, was decently good but I'm a white wine noob so what do I know

>>21649925
I tried this bottle once but it was flawed, light and heat damage.

>>21649954
Damn sux to hear

>>21650046
so post your notes

Gavi di Gavi today

Lambrusco di Sorbara

POST LABELS

>>21651064
>>21651047

>>21650122
Pear and honey come to mind, a bit herby too

chardonnay hate is overblown, it's easily some of the best value white out there when done well

I have 12 gallons of pinot noir going through secondary fermenting in my garage. Cost me $250 in grapes.

>>21651864
No one hates the grape.
Some people don't like the way it's heavily oaked (or the reverse).

>>21651929
This

Verdejo today

Corton Charlamagne today

>>21651927
Where’d you buy the grapes?

'24 going to be one of the best chablis vintage since '17 or '14

>>21649176
No, good italian wines that aren't denominations exist, though the reasons most that aren't aren't is to save money, so you should look at it on a case by case basis.
>>21651929
I really really don't like the grape.
I really don't, and I've never tasted a wine made with chardonnay only that I've enjoyed.

>>21653071
>never tasted a wine made with chadonnay only that I've enjoyed
Unironically filtered

>>21653097
maybe he hasn't tasted dolimiti bianco

does wine taste better when you drink it out of one of these?

What wine can you buy in Australia that isn't mass produced swill?

https://www.therealreview.com/who-makes-my-wine/

>>21653106
I haven't, but Dolomiti bianco isn't made with chardonnay only.

>>21653432
No. Wine tastes best when drank (directly) from standard shape/format 750ml bottles.
1L bottles are also acceptable.