I will never forgive those fucking oldheads for making a in-house western animated sakuga TMNT show flop

By the time people realized the animation was amazing it had already been Nicktoon'd.

>the animation is amazing!
ok but is the show fun or engaging?

>>148974385 (OP)
Why do fujoshis like this show so much

Kids
It wasn't because of angry ol' gen xers complaining about shit, no it's because kids didn't like Rise of the TMNT
They didn't buy the toys which funded the show's budget
If all it took for a show to flop was angry grown adults on the internet going "not muh", TTG would've died ages ago

>>148974385 (OP)
>sakuga
You mean it was incoherent spastic nonsense that retards laud because fast motion and colors make them squee

>>148974432
It worked on Thundercats Go, didn't it?

>>148974511
Kids didn't like Thundercats Roar either you dumbass
If you think adults were the cause of cancellation you're fucking delusional

>>148974427
Yes, plenty.

>>148974385 (OP)
spider tits

>>148974412
>the animation was amazing
Animation being good shockingly isn't really that high on the list of things that attract people to a show. Bad animation can turn people off a show, see Seven Deadly Sin's utter decimation of viewership and subsequent bombing movie, or One Punch Man going from international sensation of season 1 to utterly forgotten during and after season 2 as an example. But as far as if amazing animation is going to make people flock to it, it's not even really an indication. Devil May Cry has good animation, it sure as shit flopped by every metric.

You want to know what didn't have all that great animation? TMNT 89. TMNT 2003 season 1(Seriously go back and watch it. It gets... rough.) And even TMNT 2012's CGI didn't really hold up and was easily outshone by other stuff airing at the same time like Tron Uprising. But all three of those were massive successes, because kids liked them. They liked how they looked, they liked the humor, action, whatever.

With Rise, they just, didn't.

>>148974432
Nick marketed the show poorly and put it on a garbage time slot though

>>148974569
https://youtu.be/FEbTqjTaHto?t=13

>>148974427
Yes
Raph being the leader is a fun take on the character
Splinter starts out as annoying but becomes cool later on especially when you learn his backstory

>>148974429
Isn't turtlecest still frowned upon?
Didn't the storyboarders ship turtlecest?

>>148974385 (OP)
This show has the same problem as Moon Girl did, and nearly every other show by the same studio. It's too focused on "cool" animation to the detriment of everything else about it. The fights look "cool" but everything is extremely hard to follow and there's absolutely zero sense of place to any of it. I would hesitate to outright call it incomprehensible but 99% of the fights are essentially transported to shifting multicolored voids and the show likes to take random shots all over the place and animate them in a similar isolated crazy way that makes everything from the pacing to the continuity of a scene feel jarring and bizarre.

The show in isolation looks very pretty, it's full of very smooth and dynamic animation - but as an actual cartoon intended to have plot and characters there's nothing to grab onto because it never stays fucking still and it's difficult to get a handle on a scene's locale and progression. It's always jumping all over the place, it never feels tangible. If you just want to look at smooth animation, you're better off watching old shorts from the golden age except there's no pretense of those being anything more than they are, and they're much easier to follow while boasting the same benefits

>>148974576
>They liked how they looked

This. Good art styles do a lot of heavy lifting. And Rise of TMNT has the ugliest art style for Ninja Turtles at the time. Ugly characters equals merchandise will not sell. And ugly art style with race swapped April and for the longest time a Sex Changed Casey? There's more controversy.

Don't give me any bullshit Rise is definitively shit. It failed for a good reason. And the only thing you can say in its favor is that Rise did not fail as horribly as Seth Rogen TMNT which kept an ugly art style and made April even UGLIER. This franchise is Mega FUCKED. I hope the Seth Rogen sequel brutally fails so those retards at Paramount blacklist that Shitty Jew.

This franchise is in an awful state. For god's sake did you hear the Seth Rogen turtles are the guests in Sonic Racing Cross World. Disgusting. Even Fortenite invented original designs for the Ninja Turtles event. They did not choose the already established ugly designs of these characters.

>>148974675
SHUT THE FUCK UP YOU AUSTISC FAGGOT!!

>>148974435
yeah, that's what sakuga means

>>148974673
this was the biggest problem I had with Rise, there's stuff about it I liked in theory but in practice it sucked. doesn't matter how good the animation is, the fights are all boring as hell because they rarely utilize the environment or anything like the 2003 turtles did. it just spastically flips through bursts of color and flying kicks until the bad guy is defeated.

and I hate what they did with shredder

>>148974739
>the fights are all boring as hell because they rarely utilize the environment

Fish and ladders fight? Train fight? The first interaction with shredded? Hell almost every fight in this show utilizes the environment in some way

Sex with Lee the Eel.

Rise tried way too hard to be different.

>>148974385 (OP)
>for making a in-house western animated sakuga TMNT
it flopped because the writing was shit

>>148974385 (OP)
Fun fact: every animation lecture and course about action nowadays brings up this show. The sakuga was that good.

>>148974822
>citationneeded.jpg

>>148974822
Kevin Molina Ortiz = saving western action cartoons one step at a time

>>148974904
Oh I forgot to post this funy picture of him

>>148974822
>>148974904
The savior of Western Animation should be Christy Karacas, it makes me furious that people don't see it

>>148975049
Is he a Kinnikuman fan?

>>148974904
Hes too based for this world

>>148974385 (OP)
The animation looked great but man, I could not stand the writing. These characters felt so annyoing and it seemed like almost everyone was taking on the same roll as trying to be the guy throwing out jokes every chance they got. I really wanted to like this show. Both for how good it looked and with how highly it was regarded but I just couldn't stand watching it. Can't even blame the Flying Bark curse on this one.

>>148974612
Antis have mostly been spinning their wheels since Sneefee's heyday. It wouldn't surprise me if nowadays the turtlecest tag encompassed at least a third of all TMNT R34 and fapfic content.

>>148974385 (OP)
Blame the writers for making 75% of the show complete fucking garbage, retard

>>148974673
Tales of the TMNT somehow nailed the superb, high quality fight and action sequence animation, while telling a more focused and coherent story, and they did it all in fewer episodes. Despite Risefags pretending that they really care about animation and character writing, they are dead silent about Tales, because they, and many others, didn't fucking watch the show that did all of the things they praise Rise for, only better.

Which comes down to the same exact shit people have been saying for years: Risefags aren't TMNT fans.

>>148974697
You're seething ROFL

>>148976578
Cope retard

>>148977065
I hope Lee becomes one of those rare TMNT characters that escape the series she's in and starts showing up in other TMNT stuff

>>148977162
Me too man and I hope she also loses her shoes and has humanoid 5 toed feet.

>>148974739
No, 2012 > 2003.

>>148974385 (OP)
>>148974385 (OP)
By many their mistake was April. Don't get me wrong, I like this April but she could've gone by any other name. We would've been spared of later fat April even.

>>148977126
Sauce?

>>148978448
it's what I dislike about this one and the movie one. why call her April at all? it's not just a simple raceswap, she's a completely different person entirely

>>148977122
Ass hurt rise fan lel

>>148974385 (OP)
>Leonardo

wait no I'm not gay

>>148974385 (OP)
Imagine that Mirage/Image Leo will seeing other Leo as cowards

>>148977162
So the Mona Lisa treatment eh?

>>148978476
look up lee_(tmnt) on r34

Saw a clip where they started using naruto-like super powers. What was that about? Is it something that gets introduced early, or do you have to wait 3 seasons before they start teleporting and using stands?

>>148974673
That's been my problem with this studio since forever. Pure style over substance, it's flashy but meaningless. The western GoHands.

>>148979274
It's weird that these mutants are called yokai, which In japanese and chinese mean fairy, spirit or demon. But later it's revealed that they were just mutated by ooze. They're not truly supernatural creatures. The turtles are just mutants who call themselves yokai and they can't even shapeshift into humans.

good animation wasted on dogshit character designs

>>148974385 (OP)
>nigger April
hard pass

No problem with Raph being an eldest brother and the leader, but when they made Leo the leader in the S2 finale, Rise Raph entire character development was wasted.

>>148974385 (OP)
Toy sales anon. Toy sales.

>>148979682
Retarded take

>>148979810
Faggot

>>148974385 (OP)
i never watched it cause i thought the character design looked like shit

>>148975994
Rise Casey is cute.

>>148980464
Shit taste

Had nothing to do with oldheads. Kids weren't watching and the designs were too specific to blend in with the evergreen merchandising, so no one was buying merch either.

>>148974511
That show had literally no audience. Children weren't even aware of it, so only oldfags who hated it were even knew it existed.

>>148975635
>>148974673
>>148974739
Modern TMNT incarnations have this weird obsession with overplaying the "Teenage" part of TMNT. Meaning the characters (not just Turtles though they're the biggest offenders) are written as the most annoying ADHD zoomers imaginable.
Kevin Smith suffers from the exactly same problem.

>>148974739
2003 TMNT was just try to pretend to look edge.

>>148974557
>>148974597
Extreme coping. The show is absolute garbage until the last half of season 2, when the writers got notice that they were being cancelled and decided "oh shit, we should actually have things happen that move the story along instead of farting around about how gross Splinter is!" I thought the show was vapid but well animated before, but the season 2 finale actually made me ANGRY because it showed that the show COULD have been actually good if the writers had pulled their heads out of their asses.

>>148981091
Let's face it, the TMNT can only rely on the majority of oldfags, and even they can only be pessimistic about the future of TMNT and continue to hate each others.

Every new TMNT series has some new changes, and the problem with Rise and MM is just that they got some directions wrong. Another problem is that Rise and IDW can't even stick to their own changes.

>>148974385 (OP)
Glad it flopped, if I wanted to watch spastic sakuslop I would just stick to Shartnime. I watch western cartoons for actual comedy, interesting scenarios. Also black april...

>>148974385 (OP)
> Black April
> Dyke Casey
> Ralph is the leader
> Turned Leo into Mickey 2
> Magic weapons
But muh Sakuga. This is why MM mogged the shit out of this series despite also having a black april. Because they stuck to the core of them being Mutants and Ninjas, not magic kung fu naruto wizards...

>>148981777
>I watch western cartoons for actual comedy, interesting scenarios
lmao okay spongebab shut the fuck up and go wank it to Big City Greens

>>148981849
bro just go watch anime its full of gay teen doing action shit where everything randomly turns to cubes. No need to turn TMNT into that...

>>148976572
NOBODY EVEN KNOWS TALES EXISTS.

>>148974385 (OP)
It was some good shit. Blame the retarded zoomers for boycotting it because it wasn't exactly like the last show. I welcome all who come discover this kino in the future.

>>148981995
If Risefags were TMNT fans, they'd know it existed.

>>148978448
Why couldn't they just make her a new character if they changed the design so much?

>>148974429
Wasn’t it because Leo came off as kind of gay? Plus storyboard artists and writers were slipping in things past the censors that alluded to queercoding?

>>148981710
>because it showed that the show COULD have been actually good if the writers had pulled their heads out of their asses.
Yeah, this is where I fall on Rise, also. When you get into the Yokai stuff and the serious fights, you see that glimmer of potential, but to even get there, you need to go through dozens of short-form, attention-span deprived TTGO writing that is trying SO FUCKING HARD to be wacky and flippant and irreverent, and none of it works, until they decide that they don't want to write TMNT GO! and they want to write a sincere action cartoon with big character arcs and meaningful worldbuilding... and then it goes back to being TMNT GO for the majority of the season.

>>148978448
>>148978510
Irma?

>>148974385 (OP)
Despite being not stiff, It was hard form me to follow the action, I rather have easy to read but stiff action that Sakiga that is harder to watch or understand.

#BringBackMixedApril

>>148974612
Hoberman was one that did yeah, and he got ran off the internet over it by crazies like ZorySiger and the other anti-Tcest types.

>>148974904
>>148974930
>>148975049
>>148975136
Good to see the 2010s save animation after the 2000s killed it.

>>148982131
It's funny how they blame everything on nostalgiafags but then turn around and shit on or ignore anything that came after Rise.

>>148984112
Kys mongrel

>>148974427
From what little I saw the turtles were even more dumb and annoying than the 80s ones. And this time April was as well.

>>148984160
Not exaggerating when I say everything said in this thread about what makes Rise so great, is present in Tales and done better for that matter, in addition to everything that people complain about Rise fucking up being done better in Tales also. April is still black, though, and she's easily one of the worst things about both series.

>>148984526
I remember a Rise fan shit on 2012 April and made some crappy attempt at a Virgin vs Chad meme, saying 2012 April would be an ugly terf and tradwife who says slurs to blacks while Rise April would support the LGBT community and all races. The delusion was that much.

>>148984555
Clearly, I have not been hating Risefags enough.

>>148984565
There was a pretty bad cluster of them all right, especially with Zory or other loudmouths. If only they gave Tales or other things a chance.

>The show is very engaging!
>You just have to get pass all the shitty episodes to get to it!
The Black April era is a bad era.

>>148984802
>>148984065