Thread 148981806

He can't be THAT bad?
Surely there had been worst writers before?
...R-right?

>>148981806 (OP)
Why does the industry love that hack so much

>>148981806 (OP)
Bendis?

>>148981806 (OP)
Penis?

Bendis hasn't written a comic in three years, get over it already. He was popular, his popularity waned, and now he's gone.

>>148981806 (OP)
There are worse writers.

>>148981806 (OP)
>Surely there had been worst writers before?
Of course, but they didn't have as much industry pull or get put on as many important titles. The only comic writer I can think of with a bigger suck-to-success ratio is Mark Millar.

>>148981806 (OP)
He does a lot of things that are technically bad but most new comic readers don't give a shit about that because he
>gets to write the most popular A-list characters, usually when their movie is announced
>gets the best artists
And most new readers aren't going to be turned away by the way he writes established characters because it's their first experience with those characters.

tl;dr: Bendis succeeded because Marvel and DC literally set him up for success, and now that he doesn't have their backing he's just going to fail.

>>148982259
DC did no such thing, his entire venture there was a failure because they were out of touch with what a has-been he had become. It was just one last call before retirement.

What’s he been doing at DC?

>>148982199
>he's gone.
If only his influence was gone

>>148981806 (OP)
He ushered in the new renaissance.

>>148981806 (OP)
There are worse writers but they usually don't have the pull and long-term damage that he does.

We are still feeling the effects of Disassembled.

>>148981806 (OP)
He IS poison but you can survive poison after a while and go back to normal.

Tom King is fire, you can survive that but you're scarred for life.

>>148981806 (OP)
the writer?

>>148982576
NOGGED

>>148982248
Tom King

I'll never forgive DC for what they let him do to the spy books. Checkmate, Spyral, all ruined.

>>148982576
Unironically yes. Bendis' Daredevil and Alias redefined street level comics for the 00s.
Bendis' New Avengers and Ultimate Spider-Man was like Seinfeld, the superhero book about nothing. You could get a full issue of them bickering over bullshit and you loved every minute of it.

>>148982689
Seinfeld is about terrible people who never grow or learn lessons.

>>148982576
lol
lmao

>>148982752
it's a comedy. do you also think larry david is the same irl as he is in curb.

>>148982752
Well then Marvel certainly took its influence from Seinfeld really far

>>148982807
We're talking about how Bendis writes characters.
Don't change the subject.

>>148982828
They all stopped being heroes and became celebrities with powers.

>>148982689
>you loved every minute of it.
kek
fuck no

>>148982752
That's how Marvel Comics staked it claim. The heroes weren't goody-goodies who all got along with one another like the ones at DC

>>148981806 (OP)
He's largely responsible for the worst era of X-comics, so I don't have many kind words for him.

>>148981806 (OP)
Can't get too mad at the torso guy, but also I dont read much marvel so his reign of terror didn't effect me.

>>148981806 (OP)
I'll always love his Daredevil but everything else I've tried I wasn't a fan of. Ultimate Spider-Man in particular sucks dick

>>148982259
I wouldn't call it "technically bad" when it's obviously bad but I mostly agree with your post.
>And most new readers aren't going to be turned away by the way he writes established characters because it's their first experience with those characters
Most of them just don't pick up any more issues after they realize they just wasted their money

>>148981806 (OP)

I don't believe he's the worst comic writer in the world, because there are some really unholy ones out there.

At the same time, I do believe he's a BAD comic writer, and the reason is simply that I cannot name a single comic he's written that I've enjoyed.

All he writes is cheap shock and schlock.

>>148981806 (OP)
yes, he's really fucking awful and there are x-writers who arbitrarily shit on characters like beast just to suck up to him. he does this thing where, instead of having characters have a moral disagreement or intellectual disagreement, bendis just has some characters dogpile on the main character he hates, and uses a fallacy of unpopularity. he did it to daredevil years ago when daredevil was a crime lord or something, and hardcore did it to beast in uncanny 600. as a result of uncanny 600 and other things, beast became the biggest example of character assassination in comic book history

>>148982199
nah fuck off

>>148982237
i disagree on a fundamental level

>>148982689
>Ultimate Spider-Man
It sort of sidestepped the issue with occasionally having fight scenes that lasted an entire issue (or sometimes more). It was still obnoxious that Bendis needed 5-to-7 issue to tell a simple story, but at least the climax was an actual climax and not just a wet fart.
It's the only nice thing I'll say about Bendis' pacing in regards to USM or anything else.

>>148983406
his dialogue is just a gilmore girls script

I despise everything about Jessica Jones.
I legitimately don't see the appeal outside of "muh rape drama" for tumblr types and I have no idea why they'd stick with anything capeshit in the first place. There is literally nothing about the character that's even remotely interesting, even her Joker/Green Goblin/Lex Luthor/Doctor Doom/Bullseye-type archnemesis is a total joke.

>>148981806 (OP)

It still amazes me that after Bendis ruined Marvel, Didio paid him half a million dollars per year to come to DC and ruin it too. All because Didio believed that Bendis's name would somehow attract actual good writers to DC due to, idunno, some kind of social gravity or something.

Didio has done more damage to DC than any human alive.

>>148983354
>he does this thing where, instead of having characters have a moral disagreement or intellectual disagreement, bendis just has some characters dogpile on the main character he hates, and uses a fallacy of unpopularity.
Damn he really does do this. I've seen different Marvel writers pull this and hate it everytime

>>148983354
>i disagree on a fundamental level
Marguerite Bennett

>>148982869
>>148983045
this brings up the fact that alot of marvel characters, ESPECIALLY THE MUTANTS, are just a bunch of fucking scumbags.

No wonder I'd rather have read superman or something, these motherfuckers are fucking assholes, except maybe Spiderman and the Fantastic Four.
Anybody else though excepted from this?

>>148984178
>alot of marvel characters, ESPECIALLY THE MUTANTS, are just a bunch of fucking scumbags.
They're supposed to be good people with character flaws, but that's somehow too complicated for the writers so they just write them like scumbags instead

>>148984384
Look at Spider-Man. He's supposed to be the kind of a guy who struggles but perseveres.
And since modern writers have zero nuance they instead write him as a total loser.

>>148984384
>>148984435
oh, i just checked out tv troeps and man the 2000's-present comics really did fuck these guys up, huh?
infact where do I begin and end for reading? 2011?

>>148984435
>they instead write him as a total loser.
Makes it easier for spiderfags to self insert

>>148981816
Idk

>>148984462
>Makes it easier for Marvel employees to self insert

Fixed

>>148983406
>>148983406
>couldn't stand the idea of Miles' dad not being black so he invented the whole contrived Jefferson Davis name thing so Miles can have both a latino last name but a black dad

>Rio has miles out of wedlock
there problem solved.

>>148981806 (OP)
>He can't be THAT bad?
He was OK in the early 2000s, before Marvel put him on the Avengers and then New Avengers and let him do whatever he wanted for almost 15 years because he was generating so much money for them. I'd say they kinda spoiled him with that attitude. But his Daredevil was really good. I still prefer Brubaker's run, but I appreciate BMB's contributions as well. USM hasn't aged well, but it was radically new 20 years ago, and that's why it was fun to read back then. Still, I preferred JMS's ASM run from that era to BMB's USM. Alias was alright. I'm just not a fan of Jessica Jones, so I couldn't relate to that stuff, but it definitely wasn't terrible.

>>148982576
What is even going on here?

>>148987134
Sodomy.

>>148987171
Then I'm thankful that it is so badly conveyed.

>>148981806 (OP)
Almost literally everything wrong with comics today can, in some form or another, be traced back to either him, Didio or Quesada. Never has so much damage done to an entire medium by so few people.

>>148981806 (OP)
How do you lads feel about his Avengers and Spider Man work?

>>148987341
Ruined Spider-Man forever

>>148987324
Add Slott, Hell add most all Gen-X writers at the time. They really marred these characters.

>>148987341
USM is just ok. It served its purpose as a Spider-Man reboot for a time but these days I'd rather just go back and read the original stories
His Avengers was shit and started the trend of "Avengers only being A-list heroes" resulting in a bunch of Avengers mainstays just not getting books anymore

>>148982259
>new comic readers
all 40 of them

>>148987341
>>148987595
USM is the exact reason we can't escape adaptations being obsessed with high school

>>148981806 (OP)
Bendis was good at Marvel from 2000ish to 2010 imo. WE have him to thank for a lot of good comics. /co/ is the only place that wont admit this

>>148987861
YOU WILL NOT READ MY MIND! *puts on tin foil hat*

>>148988992
>Bendis was good at Marvel
Nope.
>/co/ is the only place that wont admit this
The places that will still think Tom King is good.

>>148988992
>WE have him to thank for a lot of good comics
Such as?

>>148987842
Which is funny because didn't he seethe about the Raimi movies in an USM issue?

>>148988992
You're either baiting or Bendis

>>148981816
this was evidence of all of the cultural shit the government does way before the USAID shit broke. there are certain big people in industries that have no talent and that literally nobody even likes.

>>148988992
>/co/ is the only place that wont admit this
Other places confuse infamous and "good" all the time The problem is the average character rec list is not full of "good" comics but full of stuff considered "important". Bendis famously shit on Wanda. That storyline was shit. But the mainstream repeat it as an epic storyline because they don't care. So a significant portion of Wanda "fans" constantly talk about a story that shit all over her and act like it is important. Then the MCU look at what is being talked about and uh oh, better make Wanda go crazy because that's what people expect!

You didn't even mention any Bendis books people like but okay I'll give you two people mention: Daredevil and Ultimate Spider-Man. Daredevil had better runs before and after it and left Daredevil in a position just because. Ultimate Spider-Man would have been a slam dunk anyway because people wanted young Spider-Man and he was flagship for the Ultimate line.

>>148987134
that girl just read one of those bendis pages with 23 word bubbles

>>148983863
>half a million dollars per year

how do BAD writers make THAT much money jesus christ

>>148989633
kek

>>148988992
>/co/ is the only place that wont admit this

lol no. This hasn't been true for almost a decade. More people are starting to question the idea that Bendis was good at Marvel from that time period.

>>148989634
I love when the catalogue does stuff like this.

>>148989620
>Then Geoff Johns ruins She-Hulk.

>>148987861
Boy I still remember the day this comic was published, I can still remember the taste of my rage.
To bad new generation don't read old comics to know how much bullshit this page was, along with what happend to Allan Scott.
To new generations, this characters will always be fags.

>>148986210
>He was OK in the early 2000s
No
>but it definitely wasn't terrible.
Fuck you. It was terrible 100%. I hate you faggots singing praises to this worthless garbage.

Here's something I needed to say for a long time: thank you God for Warren Ellis.
The man swooped in and saved Moon Knight from Bendis' atrocious run being used as a template for future writers like it happens with all the other Bendis' "characterizations".
I have my issues with Ellis' and post-Ellis Moon Knight books and writers, but be as it may I'd gladly take it over Bendis' Moon Knight any fucking day.

>>148981806 (OP)
I've only read part of ultimate spider-man and thought it was decent enough. His writing is mostly fine, has some interesting ideas but the way dialogue is presented with characters repeating themselves with twenty balloon bubbles is super annoying

>>148987830
very sad but true

>>148981806 (OP)
He is, he really is.

>>148987134
Hardcore interracial buttsex for the purpose of babymaking (somehow).

>>148990606
>She-Hulk fandom continues to seethe about the original concept of She-Hulk
I can feel your pain for the Slott run defining the character for years, and everything else since, especially what Aaron did, but you guys are acting like idiot crybabies when you keep pretending that a Hulk character having a human alter-ego they revert to "ruins" the character.

>>148990677
>To new generations, this characters will always be fags.
And straight male readers generally don't want to even see those characters in comics once they've been ruined like this, and attempts at solo books always flop, but nobody on the corporate side of DC or Marvel has the backbone to demand the creatives stop destroying the value of the company's intellectual property like this.

>>148988992
Credit where credit's due, I'll thank him for Dark Reign, Dark Avengers and for Norman Osborn being the one character even he couldn't write badly, but THAT'S ALL.

>>148991755
It's not just that he had her go berserk and level a whole town injuring 75 plus people.

>>148991755
>No mention of Rowell's run.
Funny thing about that run, Rainbow forgot that Jen had a human form for like 99% of it.

>>148991821
And that ended up being irrelevant. It's not something that writers keep revisiting, it's broken the character forever in the way Bendis did things to Iceman or Wanda that they can't ever get away from.

>>148991861
>No mention of Rowell's run.
>you have to read bad comics so you can know what happened in them
That's on you for even reading that, anon.

>>148992318
>And that ended up being irrelevant
So you didn't read Rowell's run?

>>148989620
>40 years as a heroine
>arguably the lead heroine of the Avengers
>Bendis destroys it all in just two storylines
>Defines how non-Avengers readers see her ever since
>Even ends up being adapted and ruining her in the movies, destroying her at the peak of her popularity
Normally the movies have the sense not to adapt stories that absolutely destroyed comic characters, because they're bad and nobody likes them. But Bendis destroyed Wanda in a way that was so "important" to the wider Marvel Universe at the time that adapting it became somehow expected, and even wanted by 'Marvel fans' who don't really care about her as a character, and think going crazy and saying "no more mutants" is all she exists for.

>>148992335
I'm trying to understand why you did. Or why a She-Hulk comic in the 2020s would possibly be treating something that happened over 20 years ago like it was in any way important anymore.

>>148992372
Because it is, Jack of Hearts fucked-up her powers and Rowell used it as a jumping point for a story. I don't understand why you're playing dumb.

>>148991790
That wasn't a proper Norman at all

>>148981806 (OP)
I just don't get why he feels the need to throw out everything that came before when he takes on a character. Is it just as simple as needing to leave his mark no matter what?

>>148983550
Nah, Gilmore Girls had much better pacing.

>>148981806 (OP)
>can handle smaller-scale street level stuff but falls flat on his face when taking on bigger ideas and concepts
>has no regard for a character's history or continuity to the point where he doesn't even pay attention to what other writers are doing with them at the same time
>bald
he is literally the nega-morrison

>>148992588
>has no regard for a character's history or continuity to the point where he doesn't even pay attention to what other writers are doing with them at the same time
Mo' like twin, then.

>>148992554
Might be just a case of tl;dr

>>148992659
>Might be just a case of tl;dr
Then that's bad.

>>148984462
>>148985473
Its both, really. Bendis, Quesadilla, Brevoort and others have said the same thing about fans of the Spider-Man comic being complete losers living in their parents basement so they treat him as such and the outrage makes the sales

idk much about him, but how likely is it that he wrote the non-chief side of this one? certain parts always jarred me about it when it was so cool otherwise.

>>148992588
>can handle smaller-scale street level stuff
Yeah, no. This meme is stupid and I'm tired of it.
>Alias is shit
>his Spider-Woman is shit
>his Elektra is shit
>his Moon Knight is pure diarrhea
>Ultimate Spider-Man is so-and-so mostly, certainly goes to shit with Miles
Literally can't remember anything about his Daredevil so whatever, 90% of post-Miller DD is like a samey blob to me anyway. You can have that one.

>>148982259
>gets the best artists
This is the real secret. He's not a good writer, but pair him with a competent artist and people will think "good art = good writer" and overlook the glaring mediocrity of Bendis's drivel

>>148992836
>>148982259
I would not call Gaydos, Maleev, Finch or Coipel best anything.

>>148992813
>his Spider-Woman is shit
Listen, you can only work with what you're given.

every time there was an ultron on my team I lost

>>148992813
Sam and Twitch, Powers.

>>148992987
I couldn't even finish Powers, it was the most boring thing imaginable.

>>148985498
Or just make his mom hispanic mestizo and his dad hispanic black.
The fact that Bendis managed to invoke the president of the Confederacy in his comic will never not be funny

Why did Gen-Xers ruin comics?

>>148993041
9/11

>>148983406
The Black dad thing is doubly weird because he could have just made Miles's dad mexican and his mom black, but Bendis is clearly so obsessed with big strong black men that the father HAD TO be a big black guy.

>>148992857
The sleight of hand that took place was that Bendis became associated with being "good" in some vague way, so whenever he got paired with a shitty artist, well, big shrug, that's not Bendis's fault! He's just the writer! Look at all these other good comics he made! Clearly it's not his fault this comic is less good than others (which are also all bad)

But it's also been my experience that the average person who has been buying comics regularly since or before the Bendis days tends to have abysmally dogshit taste. Their ability to recognize a good story is skewed in every which way because the only thing they've read is fucking cape comics, so anything that reaches base level mediocrity is a 5/5 amazing experience that they have to rush online to post their reviews for everywhere.

>>148983406
Who the fuck honestly has Jessica Drew as their waifu. I mean honestly.

>>148981816
Nobody likes him. He's just good at networking.

>>148993275
Sounds familiar...

>>148983406
All of this sounds boring as fuck I ain't never touching that shit

>>148992813
>his Spider-Woman is shit
This was his waifu he brought back from comics limbo and this was the best he could do with her. But we're stuck with her now thanks to him.
>his Elektra is shit
Arguably even worse because it was marketed as the first in a line of Marvel cheesecake booba books and was that ever some false advertising and misleading covers.

>>148993140
Is this a gay thing? There seem to be a lot of guys writing for cape comics who seem to be absolutely obsessed with black guys in a way that reads like it's a fetish.

>>148992417
>I don't understand why you're playing dumb.
>Why didn't you read this bad comic so you'd know what happens in it?
Anon, asking you why you read that She-Hulk run is a more productive and worthwhile usage of my time than reading that She-Hulk run could ever be.

And a comic in the 2020s revisiting a bad thing a superhero did 20 years earlier and picking at the wound instead of just letting it go is absolutely a bad comics story. This crap is why characters like Hank Pym, Wanda and Beast ended up the way they did. There's no justifiable reason in the 2020s for anyone to still be writing about She-Hulk's rampage in Johns' Avengers run from 2003. Imagine if we were constantly getting stories about the Hulk's rampage where people died, that led to him getting sent into space.

>>148993183
Try talking shit about Bendis on places like Reddit and you'll get downvoted into oblivion.

>>148993826
I remember those covers. This particular art was used in various promotional material such as handbooks and anything that featured Elektra in 2000s. I remember seeing it A LOT back in the day. IIRC it even made it into Marvel Ultimate Alliance. Naturally seeing it everywhere since my childhood, I had this preconception that it's a very important book for the character.
So imagine my disappointment with how fucking dull the book was when I actually got to read it.

>>148993922
I think we're on the same page with not opening old wounds. But we're arguing over semantics.

>>148989619
Shut the fuck up you maga-tard rightoid subhuman

>>148992857
Finch and Coipel are great cape artists a d definitely helped push units. You're dumb.

>>148994426
Fuck off and grow some standards, 2000s nostalgiafaggot.
Finch and Coipel are generic house style artists with nothing that can even remotely be considered great. They could easily be replaced by dozens of other generic artists with a vaguely
"realistic" artstyle and nobody would notice the difference because of how dull and stiff they are.

>>148993936
Reddit is a backwards land where retarded virtue signaling is more important that character consistency and continuity and statements like "Captain Nazi should have BTFO the Red Hood" mean you yourself are a Nazi.

>>148994481
I got banned from the She-Hulk subreddit for not liking Dan Slott's run.

>>148994467
Yeah and that stuff sells.
DC gave Finch his own vanity Batman ongoing in the early 10s for a reason.

>>148994533
>hurr durr muh sales
Why do you worthless subhumans move the goalposts all the times? Salesfaggots should have their fucking throats slashed, honestly.

>>148994571
In the context of corporate comics, the best artists are the ones who increase sales of a book by being on it.

>>148994580
>salesfaggotry
As I fucking said.
Actual unironic subhumans.

>>148994622
You're the one treating corporate slop like it's art, man.

>>148994676
>uhh muh corporate hurr durr
Oh, shut the fuck up and kill yourself, retard.

>>148989619
The truth that comic readers don't want to admit is that the creative side of comics is ~100 people between the Big 2 combined (most of them artists) who are all at minimum professional associates and often friends who have the same relationships with editorial so as long as a writer is easy enough to deal with and not sales poison they 're almost always on a short list for something.

>>148989640
That wasn't just for writing, it was also for managing his own imprint and some kind of development deal with his production company.

>>148994467
No, Coipel is legitimately great. You're an idiot.

>>148994787
>posts absolutely generic house art
The only idiot here is you, 2000s nostalgiafaggot. Kill yourself.

>>148989620
It's like how a ton of people cite Civil War as an important or great comic but never actual read it
It sounds epic or shocking so they think it's what people want adapted

Why does Bendis have this reputation that his street-level stuff is good?
Outside of Ultimate Spider-Man, everything I've seen was incredibly boring. And even Ultimate Spider-Man wasn't exactly perfect (Bendis really and I mean really sucks at writing Spider-Man villains. And considering they're a part of the appeal of Spider-Man, it's kind of a big deal.)
It's like somebody sucked anything entertaining out of capeshit.
The likes of Rucka, Brubaker, or hell, at the risk of triggering certain people on /co/, Ennis all do this type of "I'm too mature for capeshit, I want to write an HBO crime drama instead" thing much better.

/co/ hates Bendis because they convinced themselves is bad and every subsequent new person joining the board got gaslit similarly into thinking Bendis was literal devilspawn or something.

>>148995339
he is devilspawn

>>148995251
his other stuff is so bad the street level looks good in comparison

>>148995464
Bendis? Brian Michael Bendis?

>>148995339
>>148995470
The comic book writer?

>>148992686
Either way it's bad, no one ever implied it's not!

>>148995339
Nah, I hate Bendis because I dont like his dialogue generally. But also because he flattens every character's voice into his own. And beside poor character voice, he frequently wrote people wildly out of character and consequently damaging. They were just gears for the plot for him. His plots were usually pretty good though. Idk how much was him solely and how much was editorial, but his story ideas were generative and interesting. But he wasted great artists because he couldn't actually plot an interesting fight. He mostly had people draw splash pages.

The worst though was how long he managed to shit things up. He was on Avengers for 8 fucking years.

Remember the modern Marvel Cosmic Saga with DnA making the modern Guardians of the Galaxy a great book? So many people have those comics. Cult classic.

Then Bendis decided because it was popular he wanted to take over. Bendis ignored the end of Thanos Imperative, literally stole ideas from the MCU for his Guardians comic and got kicked off the MCU creative committee for doing so. And his Guardians book was awful meme crap with his Kitty waifu inserted.

What really gets me though is Bendis saw which way the wind was blowing on adaptations so decided he'd get in on it with diverse characters and Miles was a really cynically made character. No matter your feelings on Miles now, most of his stories have been bad aside from maybe the animated films, his origin is pure cynicism. Remember how Bendis got in hot water because he wanted Miles to be Afro-Latino and gave him that last name but then got worried about him not having his black father's last name.

>>148995880
>Then Bendis decided because it was popular he wanted to take over.

I think the other part of it was that he was on the Creative Committee and likely knew that one of the films Feige was planning on releasing was GOTG. Nicole Perlman wrote ten drafts for GOTG between 2009 and 2011.

He definitely knew about some of the things in the drafts since he did Avengers Assemble with the Avengers, GOTG (with Bug on the team), and Thanos

>and got kicked off the MCU creative committee for doing so.

He did not, Feige just straight up blocked the entire Creative Committee from any involvement with the movies. The Creative Committee eventually got dissolved after.

He would always write shit that would disrupt other peoples runs.