Thread 148982935

>canon events
This is the most fanfic thing I’ve ever seen in a mainstream cape movie. Imagine being so insecure about fans not liking miles that the entire conflict of your story is about how “canon events” dictate your life as a spider-person (and want fans want to see) rather than actually telling a new story

Normalfags using "canon" makes my skin crawl.

but it is telling a new story complete with him saying "I'm doing my own thing"
and you're still mad about it

/irony

>>148983050
>movie is about proposing the idea of doing something that isnt shown

>>148983032
>Normalfags using "canon" makes my skin crawl.

Canonization has been a concept for millennia. Deal with it, fag.

>>148982935 (OP)
It's a unique take in a multiverse setting which at the time of release was already a stale subject in mainstream media.

>>148982935 (OP)
*Throat clearing*

Canon events
Anchor beings
Sacred timeline
Fixed points in time

>>148984006
Absolute Point!

>>148983433
>unique
>imma do my own thang
Fuck off

>>148982935 (OP)
Hobie is absolutely right about the Spider-Society when he says "calling yourself a hero makes you a self-mythologizing, narcissistic autocrat".

The Spider-Society have convinced themselves that the events of their lives are integral to the continued existence of reality and have taken it upon themselves to enforce those events upon every Spider in the multiverse. They've gone against the most fundamental part of being Spider-Man: refusing to stand by and do nothing when someone is in danger. And all of it is basically based on assumptions made by Miguel, who isn't willing to acknowledge that he might be wrong. He pretty much appointed himself as a guardian of the multiverse because he took it as a given that he's the best man for the job, and admitting that he's wrong means admitting that he inflicted needless suffering on countless Spider-people to protect his ego. Self-mythologizing, check, narcissistic, check, autocrat, check, what to do before you wreck yourself, ch-chiggidy-check.

>>148984388
Miguel’s gonna be right at least in part. Guarantee you, by the end of the third movie, Miguel will have accidentally slotted himself in as the police captain that Miles gets close to and then dies. Miles will save his dad, Miguel pays for the mistake he made killing an entire universe, and both sides are right in their own way.

>>148982935 (OP)
Canon events are supposed to sound stupid, they're bullshit "Miguel" made up to gather and control spiders
Because that's not Miguel. That's fucking Morlun.
He doesn't hate Miles because Miles is willful, he hated him before they had any interaction and was desperate to keep him out of the organization.
Why?
Because the nuclear/multiversal shenanigans that led to him being spider-man instead of Prowler Miles means HE'S NOT A TOTEM. Morlun can't instagib and drain him like he can the other Spiders. He represents the only tangible threat to Morlun's farm.

>>148982935 (OP)
If you're too much of a faggot to like a good movie just be honest about it

>>148984681
>>148984388
I assume that either the canon events are a misunderstanding of the science OR they're going to find a way to undo the rules of reality. I forget what I saw but I remember seeing similarities in Spot and Miguel's diagram of the Multiverse. I assume that Spot will basically be used to literally flip reality inside out, so that the rules are irrelevant.
The moral is pretty obviously Miguel became so caught up in the fact he couldn't save everyone that he stopped trying to save everyone and accepted the rules as they were.
>>148984698
The story becomes a lot less interesting if Miguel is just tricking everyone, it's real. They pretty much made it so Peter was there purely to say "yeah it's real"

>>148984698
>That's fucking Morlun.

No, it's Otto.

>>148982935 (OP)
I don't know how this movie got popular, it's so dumb, the characters are flat and the plot meander without ever getting close to a climax. The first movie is an actually great cape movie with fun characters and action and is ten times better.

>>148984811
> the plot meander
ESL retard

>>148984766
Yeah the “point” of canon events is that you can’t save everyone and that pain is unavoidable in life, not that certain people are destined to die and that you’re a piece of shit if you try.

>>148984811
Plot needed more Spot and less Spider Society.

>>148984811
My jaw dropped when the movie ended without a climax. At least with something like endgame there was the firt decisive battle against Thanos where he won and we see the consequences of that. You can't even judge this movie by itself at all or else it's literally just a movie that ends right as the heroes are gathering for the thrid act.

>>148985402
That's the problem I have with this. On its surface the idea of "canon events" is a dumb one but I can't tell if this is a dumb idea in place or the Spider Society was completely gullible which would be a different dumb idea

>>148985337
>>148984811
Spider society was founded by Knull, Miguel is actually Venom 2099, and acts as his prophet
Don't act like Sony wouldn't drop that turd of a twist

>>148985426
They all think in similar ways so it's easy to convince them of something so long as you're compelling enough. Most of them are idiot teenagers too

>>148984811
>make a two-part movie
>don't even write an outline of the second part

>>148985761
>Make half a movie that eclipses all other Spider-Man movies before it
Even Takuya Yamashiro's gonna show up in the sequel.

>>148982935 (OP)
What offends me is how many Spider people he got believing it.
Like if the Spider-Society was a small fringe group of them that would be understandable, but we see literally HUNDREDS of Spiders that Miguel somehow convinced to go against their “with great power comes great responsibility” code and allow bad things to happen just cause they’re canon events.

>>148986467
If you're offended by a cartoon you've got bigger problems

>>148984388
What’s retarded is the fact that this many spider-people would even agree to this society in the first place. Of course, this conflict only exists to make miles look better than Peter

>>148984811
Mainly just the animation.

>>148986347
> that eclipses all other Spider-Man movies before it
Not even close
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EcDVXeB_rY4&pp=ygUVU3BpZGVybWFuIHRyYWluIGZpZ2h00gcJCd4JAYcqIYzv

>>148986633
>Fat-tits retard Peter Parker
>Dated special effects
>Homoerotic undertones between Peter and Harry
>Constant crying
What a great film

>>148986467
But if we don't let the bad thing happen, the even worser thing will happen :(

I find it funny how this means the 90s Spider-Man can't show up cause it disproves this retarded shit, really, really hard.

>>148986682
Three of these are made up, and the SE are barely dated. Cope milestranny

>>148986725
>Too retarded to refute criticism
>Denies they exist
You autistic loser

>>148986753
Your “critisims” have nothing to do with the story, direction, and heart of the movie. Enjoy your multiverse slop with a niglet and tranny as the main characters

>>148982935 (OP)
i just want to fuck gwen (forma de blimp). that's all i care about, really.

>>148986791
Yeah it does, it highlights how shit it is and how mentally deficient you are for sucking Raimi's dick so hard

>>148986709
Armored Spider-Chad

>>148986709
Wait, why?

>>148986885
Dude where did things go wrong with you?

>>148982935 (OP)
It doesn't even make sense because the vast majority of Spider-Men that aren't just some variation of Peter lead wildly different lives, including the ones they feature in this movie.
This movie had to make up a bunch of stories that didn't happen to pull this shit, when ironically enough Miles is the one that hovers the closest to Peter's story

>>148984006
Alpha Timeline

>>148982935 (OP)
For me it’s Iron Man becoming Spider-Man’s stepdad, mentor, and sugar daddy, and the third movie being about curing the villains of their mental illnesses

rent fucking free

>>148983433
>unique

https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/YouCantFightFate

>>148987036
my mom was pretty old when i was born

>>148987367
They spent a billion dollars on pushing Miles which I'd say is pretty far from rent free

>>148987259
why does this look like homestuck

>>148987203
I mean that's why they did it, they just convinced every casual in the world that it's actually every other Spider-Man that's guilty of Miles' shitty writing, while Miles is the most original out of them all

>>148986347
>that eclipses all other Spider-Man movies before it
lol second lowest grossing Spider-Man ever (after the first Spider-Verse which is the lowest grossing)

I fucking hate Miles.

>>148986517
If you don't get offended by a movie lying and using established characters to push a political agenda you need to have some standards

show me on this doll where miles had sex with your imaginary girlfriend

>>148987419
>Muh box office
If you think that matters or makes a movie better you're a drooling retard

>>148987431
I'm not influenced by childrens' movies or media in general, autismo. Getting offended means you're a pussy

>>148982935 (OP)
>canon events
>This is the most fanfic thing I’ve ever seen
It's not more retarded than Spider Totem. Or all the clone shittery.

>>148984388
He was honestly the only good part or character, they actually made him a punk too since he caused the whole society to go berserk

>>148987025
Because that Peter specifically is
>The greatest hero in the world
>A Multi-Billionaire
>Happily dating Gwen Stacy
>Still has his Uncle Ben alive
He's still considered a worse hero/leader than the mainline Peter of that show but he's not actually "le bad guy corrupted by everything going right" or some dumb shit like that.

>>148987619
>A giant Gary Stu is better than a flawed character with emotional scars and a reason for thinking the way he does
I bet you love Linkara too

>>148987584
>It's not more retarded than these other things that people have historically complained about for also being stupid
I'm not exactly sure what the point of your post it.

>>148987703
I think the anons point is that he shits all over the idea of canon events.

>>148987816
Yeah but if you watch this one specific show, or not, it doesn't invalidate a character's motives from a completely different story

>>148984811
Social pressure. The normalfags ate it up and banked it on being the best Spider-Man movie ever and now that it's out and it's full of stupid plot holes and dumb-ass shit like "canon events", they have to jump through hoops and hurdles to defend the movie, even resorting to "y-you just hate Miles, racist!!!" when even people who enjoyed the first movie (which was very much a Miles movie) hated this one.

>>148987936
If you can't enjoy a fun, well-animated superhero movie you're an autistic manchild who uses nonsensical words like "forced animation" to complain about nothing

>>148987974
>fun
Wrong
>well-animated
Wrong
>superhero
Wrong
>movie
Only in the loosest sense of the word.

>>148988008
>WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG BAD NO WRONG
You got too many chromosomes or something? Seriously, crying and bitching about a kids' movie is pathetic

>>148988027
>Seriously, crying and bitching about a kids' movie is pathetic
My guy, you're posting on 4chan.

>>148988067
My retard, so what? I'm not a manchild who cries and moans over how his favorite boytoy got violated in front of his eyes

>>148987564
You don't have to be influenced to take offense retard

>>148987836
It does when that "completely different story" implies that every piece of Spider-Man media made so far was just different universes in the same multiverse presented in that story, one in which canon events are thing and every Peter needs to lose Uncle Ben and Gwen etc or else reality collapses

Media literacy, read up on it

>>148987584
No no it's definitely much worse, those were all hated and then promptly swept under the rug and forgotten, this colossal piece of shit was publicly celebrated in a tentpole movie and will probably be negatively affecting Spider-Man media for decades to come, if not forever

They genuinely shat on the very idea of Spider-Man itself to prop up a character who was made to celebrate the fact the US elected a half-black president that one time

>>148987974
I can, Spider-Verse just ain't it

>>148988081
Yeah you're just a manchild who cries and moans how his favorite children's movie was insulted in front of his eyes

This entire movie is basically saying that Miles is the one true Spiderman

>>148982935 (OP)
That's the thing with every black version of a character, they are not interested in creating a new character that people will like that just happens to be black, they want the legacy loved characters have directed at a black character and in a medium that keeps pushing multiverse faggotry making a black version of a character without telling a new story is the easiest thing in the world.

>>148984388
>They've gone against the most fundamental part of being Spider-Man: refusing to stand by and do nothing when someone is in danger.
I keep seeing retard regurgitate this nonsense like the gospel and it's such bullshit.
There's a big difference between "just let your father die bro" and "there's nothing you can do about it" miguel just didn't bother trying to make it sound prettier for miles.
And by the logic of retards using this argument of spiderman refusing to stand by makes miguel right because he started the spider society because he learned about the multiverse rift bullshit threatening the very fabric of all realities and has been fixing all those rifts non stop, eventually getting spidermen from the multiverse to assist him in some capacity.
So why do retards act like Miguel is wrong in wanting to protect the multiverse even at the cost of telling a spiderman to let a love one die.
He already knows what happens when you ignore the multiverse warnings, his presence in a different universe ended that entire universe, we already seen the events he talked about happen instantly when indian spiderman saved captain saar stacy and a fucking black hole appeared in the middle of the city.

Miles isn't wrong for wanting to save his father but Miguel isn't wrong either for telling him to let his father die when the consequence of it could be the destruction of all universes.
Miguel was also right telling miles he shouldn't be spiderman at all because the spider wasn't from his universe, because he was there his universe peter died, because he was there the spot existed, because he didn't took him seriously he become a multiverse level threat.

Stop acting like miles is morally superior when miguel wants to protect the multiverse just like anyone in his position would.

>>148988825
The issue is that all the Spider-men just accepted that shit, it's very much a "let your dad die bro" because his dad is still alive There's accepting what you can't change because it happened like Uncle Ben or Captain Stacy dying and then there's standing idly by while tragedy strikes because "it's just the way it is''. You've got probably hundreds if not thousands of super-genius Spider-people and none of them are working on a work around for predestiny?

>>148982935 (OP)
These movies put me to sleep. Pajeet Man looked liked smelly curry. Made me wanna puke yellow bile.

>>148984698
Miguel being a disguised Morlun would be a pretty interesting twist.

>>148988699
>ItSV releases
>Miles has decent reception among audiences as an inexperienced hero grappling with the legacy of his Peter
>people who already didn't like him weren't going to change their tune
>directors throw a hissy and write a sequel that is less about Miles and more about spiting the people who don't like Miles - who aren't going to watch film anyway
>the same audience who liked him in the first film find the other black Spider-Man, the Hispanic Spider-Man, and the briefly appearing supervillain version of Miles more interesting
It's like going to the paint store to buy some blue paint only to have some guy complain about how much he hates blue and that it sucks, so you proceed to paint your house blue, the interiors blue, your car blue, replace all your furnishings to blue ones, only wear blue clothes, and get swaths of blue tattooed across your body just to stick it to the rando at the paint store.

>every Spider-Person loses a Uncle Ben
>every Spider loses a police captain
Ok so I can buy a majority of them going through that, but seriously the Spidersaurus Rex too??

>>148989313
Spider-saurus Rex ESPECIALLY

>>148989203
>The issue is that all the Spider-men just accepted that shit,
Idk of that's what happend, i think is a fair assumption but I don't remember the movie explaining every spiderman just accepting that.
I think most spider people there already went through their respective losses, atleast peter, miguel and hobby did, gwen already lost her peter but her dad was still alive but she was still battling her conflict with her dad accusing her of killing her peter so idk what she would do about it.
Since the creation of the spider society happened between the first and second movie i think is fair to say most spider people already went through their events.
Their acceptance came from understanding that despite the tragedy they still did great things, not necessarily that oh yeah i would just let uncle Ben die because it's a canon event.
The movie doesn't make a great job explaining that imo so i think both interpretations are fair.

>>148989243
It's the miles glorification to own the chuds will get worse.

>>148982935 (OP)

This is why Miguel is the true hero of that movie and not Miles.

Miles won't even take the villain of the movie seriously and essentially enables him to become all-powerful inviting his own father's death.

>spider verse 1 has nic cage
>Is a great movie
>spider verse 2 doesn't
>Isn't a great movie

>>148989585
They literally all huddle around and say "sorry it's just the way it is, Miles" again there's a difference between "accepting what has happened" and "refusing to try to make things better". If it was a situation like Miguel or Kingpin where Miles was like "I can go to a reality where my dad is still alive" then that'd be the scenario you're describing and they'd have reason to tell Miles to accept what happened but they're literally impeding Miles from trying to save his dad. Also weird thing is they don't seem to care much about Indian Peter's reality and just taped off the pothole despite him also defying a canon even so....what does that mean? As far as we can tell the Spider-Society is purely finding and containing anomalies, not trying to find a fix for this shit.

>>148989756
Is not that they are refusing to make things better, they are trying to prevent something worse from happening.

>>148989835
The third film needs a Spider who is helping Miles not because he thinks canon events are bullshit but because he hopes Miguel is correct about them and needs proof because his home reality is so shit wiping it out is the best course of action.

>>148987974
Is the fun, well-animated movie in the room with us?

>>148982935 (OP)
Armor-Chad spits in the face of this retardation.

>>148987936
>(which was very much a Miles movie) hated this one.
The funny thing about the 2nd movie is that for a huge part of it, it feels like a Gwen movie.
>>148989225
>These movies put me to sleep
The black guy next to me pulled out his phone when curryman gave his long ass rant about how chai is tea.

>>148983032
>he thinks canon is only a word by the elite nerd chuds

>>148987936
Anon, have you considered that people just... liked the movie?

>>148990342
don't bother, it's a baitposting retard

>>148990342
Impossible. If I don't like something, no one should like it.

>>148987370
Great. Another example of someone misunderstanding a TVtropes article and the author misappropriating it to a project that doesn't actually fit the guidelines that they've laid out.

>>148986885
based. inflate spiderwomen.

>>148982935 (OP)
Why'd they have to make Miguel so damn sexy...

>>148990342
Have you considered that for most people the standard for liking a movie is "I see other people are talking positively about this movie and I want to be part of that", that's the entire model for MCU success and recently Minecraft's as well

>>148984720
Which good movie are we talking about? This thread is about nigger multiverse slop, no good movies here, saar.

Miguel did nothing wrong.

reminder they have absolutely no idea how to wrap up the story in 3 because their plot is riddled with plotholes and the film is still 2-3 years away lmao. they're probably just praying it gets quietly cancelled.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hEKFEcW0tzY

erm...miles bros? our response?

>>148982935 (OP)
The biggest reason beyond the spiderverse is taking so long is because they have no idea how to get themselves out of the fat narrative hole they dug.

>>148992296
Yes, yes, everyone who disagrees with you is an NPC, you're the only freethinker, we get it.

>>148990342
You ever consider that you can like a movie while admitting it’s retarded?

>>148989313
Don’t forget that canon events don’t just mean bad stuff. Based on what’s shown, the Spider-Man kiss is a canon even too

>>148989313
>gwen fucks off to another dimension for go knows how long
>somehow none of her canon events were missed and her world still hasn't collapsed
riiiigggggghhhhhhtttt. the writing for this entire film is anime tier.

>>148993225
They wrote themselves to a wall

>Spider-Man MUST suffer
Lol, who wrote this shit?

>Miles is willing to risk entire universes just so he won't have to go through any personal hardship or trauma
>the movie bends over backwards to show him as being in the right
Even in the "best" iteration of the character (and that's damning with faint praise) the usual tards insist it is, he still comes across as a gigantic Marty Stu.

>>148982935 (OP)
OP, your post is a canon event

>>148994123
My big fat fucking cock is a canon event

>>148993425
Not everyone, just you

>>148983032
Canon is a very commonly used word, faggot. What is cringe is the usage of "canon event".

>>148982935 (OP)
Multiverse is pretty self-indulgent writing idea and it is source of meta bullshit.

>>148986682
>Fat-tits retard Peter Parker
what?
>Dated special effects
still better special effects than shitty low frame animation set to crap music
>Homoerotic undertones between Peter and Harry
just because you're a closeted homo doesn't mean everyone does, go actually have a male friend. Not everything should be about sex, but most shallow people automatically go there
>Constant crying
What like, once?

Who's the emotionless autistic loser? You the guy who doesn't understand them.

>>148990342
I have. Then I looked up online discussion and it was the same old dance of fucking nothing and jumping at made-up strawmen. You can even see it here.

>>148994855
Trooncord is thataway.

>>148995344
Why would I want to meet more clowns (some more literal than others visually) who pretend to like this movie?