what indie books are you reading?

>>148998993 (OP)
that's not what indie means you moron

gillen's retooled krakoan council book
need to catch up on rook

>>148999026
>that's not what indie means you moron
elaborate

>>148998993 (OP)
>>148999026
>>148999056
The problem is that nobody can fucking agree on what indie means and when we twist the definition it risks loses all meaning
Robert Kirkman and Mark Millar are fucking millionaires, you cannot convince me they're indie
Transformers, Star Wars, etc are part of million dollar franchise, you cannot convince me they're indie.
TMNT started as indie but so did Minecraft
Look at me straight in the eye that Microsoft owned and backed Minecraft with millions of dollars in merchandise and promotion is still "indie" even after the creator sold it.

>>148999026
>>148999056
>>148999115
Let's all agree that indie is a placeholder term for comics that aren't published by Marvel and DC and aren't licensed comics.

>>148999115
Lucassharts will tell you Episode I was the most expensive indie movie made, despite the numerous assorted merch and corporate tie-ins, not to mention the millions if not billions of dollars SW had already made by that point.

>>148999421
>Let's all agree that indie is a placeholder term for comics that aren't published by Marvel and DC and aren't licensed comics.
"Indie" should be reserved for small publishers and self-publishing
There's a whole world of difference between Mark Millar shelling out another /tv/ pitch as part of his Netflix deal and some scrappy artist releasing their stuff physically at small conventions or at someone's garage but unfortunately the line has been blurred hard.
I mean no disrespect to various Image or Dark Horse books but I fail to see them as "indie" when they're made by creators who have far more advantages in the industry than "pure indie" creators who never touch a major publisher in their life aside from maybe a mass release.

>>148999421
>>148999502
But yeah for the sake of the thread lets just use that definition
We'd be here all day if we argued
Anyways, I'm probably gonna go ahead and finally read Ragmop

>>148999115
The popularity of a property does not determine whether it's indie or not, nor does the amount of money the creator makes off of it.
Indie comics are creator-owned and creators also receive royalties from them. That is not the case with Marvel or DC, but it is with Image, Dark Horse, AWA, etc.

Indie is a big umbrella that covers everything from self-published webtoons to stuff distributed through multi-million dollar companies like Image which can make things confusing. People struggle with the idea that it can encompass creations that come from such different areas of expertise, funding, and distribution.

>>148999502
>"Indie" should be reserved for small publishers and self-publishing
Arguably, publishers like Image, Dark Horse, AWA, Boom, etc, ARE small publishers.

How do you guys find what to read?
Personally I like to
>Browse through old magazines on the Internet Archive (Wizard, Comic's Buyers Guide, etc)
>Browse through sites like Sequential Tart, Comichron charts for works that didn't sell very well, old FCBD catalogs, etc
>Try to find new creators through anthology compilations and search up their history on sites like LOCG or comics.org to see what else they've made.
>Check to see if the work is on the Internet Archive, other archive sites, or my local library to read.

>>148999735
Dark Horse is owned by Embracer
Boom is owned by Penguin Random House
Image is a Portuguese man o' war of a publisher and to say Skybound is indie is frankly ridiculous
Yes yes Robert Kirkman's media empire that just created its own game studio is surely "indie"

>>148999759
I've found a few gems just going through the local library online catalog. Usually under a graphic novel tag.

>>148999026
>>148999115
>>148999421

People tend to forget that "Indie" is shorthand for "Independent". It doesn't matter so much who the publisher is, rather does the creative actually owns what he produces.

Spawn for instance is independent as the Toddfather owns that. Same with Robert Kirkman and the Walking Dead. Even some of the old Vertigo stuff like 2020 Visions had all of the rights revert back to Jamie Delano once it went out of print.

What isn't "independent"? Corporate owned IP such as Spider-man, Batman, Transformers, etc.

>>148999789
see this anon's post
>>148999713
>The popularity of a property does not determine whether it's indie or not, nor does the amount of money the creator makes off of it.
Indie comics are creator-owned and creators also receive royalties from them. That is not the case with Marvel or DC, but it is with Image

>>148998993 (OP)
Boom = Power Rangers.
IDW = Tmnt, Black Science, A righteous thirst for vengeance
Dark Horse = Hellboy and the BPRD 55-57

>>149000306
Licenseshit isn't indie

>>148999848
Creator owned =/= indie retard. The term “independent” means the creators are publishing independently. No publisher, no distributor.

>>149000183
See:
>>149000620

>>149000620
that's not what indie means, but it's cute that you make up your own definitions.

>>149000643
That’s exactly what it has always meant in both music and comics until insufferable little faggots like you changed the definition to basically make it a genre in music and everything that isn’t marvel and dc in comics.

>>149000620
So if a guy who makes comics owns a publishing house and distributes his own comics, he isn't "indie"? So what, is "indie" just a gay little club of certain approved creators?

I got compilations of old books, namely spawn and the darkness.
I played the darkness game first and I was expecting something really gritty but this series is fucking hilarious.

>Bug Wars
Edgy "Epic" or "The Ant Bully"

>Free Planet
I like political space opera and I'm willing to throw the commie Sitterson $5 a month apparently. He's still a nerdlinger who doesn't hate brownoids enough but he at least doesn't believe evolution stopped at the neck.

>>149001029
>So if a guy who makes comics owns a publishing house and distributes his own comics
If he’s just publishing his own comics? He’s indie. If he’s publishing others? It’s now become a company, so no. It also appears you don’t know what a distributor is so why do you even think you have any sort of ability to discuss this?

>So what, is "indie" just a gay little club of certain approved creators?
That’s not even remotely what it means, retard.

TMNT, Sonic and Godzilla for IDW.
Godzilla for Marvel.
Godzilla...again...for DC.
Conan for Titan.
EC Comics or Oni Press.

And I dunno, maybe VR Troopers. Haven't decided.

>>149001253
Fuck, I'm also reading

>Assorted Crisis Events
Libtarded rootless cosmopolitanism

Are there any reactionaries putting out floppies right now that I can walk into a store and pick up off the shelf?

>>149001568
Licenseshit isn't indie

>>148998993 (OP)

>>149001804
Not indie idiot

>>149001626
>Libtarded rootless cosmopolitanism
How are the plot, dialogue, and characters?

>>149001029
kek

>>149001538
I don’t know where you get this shit from, but indie record labels have existed since at least the 1960’s and possibly before depending on how nitty gritty you want to get.
You live in your own fantasy world with arbitrary definitions. Nobody else is with you on this.

>>149001956
I need to reread them badly before trying to analyze but here's something:

It effectively conveys what he's trying to say but I disagree with the message.

>Plot
Each issue is a one-shot intended to convey a message about how Camp feels as a libtarded commie globalist in a world where Trump won. It's unsubtle and you know what side you're supposed to be on at all times, but that's effective in its own way. It does what it sets out to do.

>Dialogue
Need to reread them, going off of my memory here, but it's more "narration" than "dialogue"

>Characters
A major theme of the series is "everyone is a person worthy of dignity" but beyond that I don't care about any of them. None of the characters really come off sympathetically to me! I'm not rooting for any of them. I understand their problems and point of view but I just don't care.

>>149002764
It seems more similar to 20th Century Men than his Ultimates run, so I might give it a try. I almost liked the former because it seemed like he tried to make multifaceted characters (to me, characters ended up being lacking) living in a complex world, though it could be because I hadn't read anything else of his yet. There is also the art, which really carries it.
The Ultimates I can't stand. It's really bland and a big drop in quality from his other stuff. Very scarce in creativity and vigor.
I don't mind commieslop (Alan Moore is probably my favorite comic book writer). Even though I don't buy into it at all, I'll entertain it for the sake of a nice fireside read.

am i right on the dot if I say stuff like:
>Scott Mccloud's Zot and The Sculptor
>Sam and Max
>The Tick
are indie?

>>149003232
I'd argue yeah
They're small publisher titles

>>148998993 (OP)
The Zot thread gave me a few ideas