>The Avengers must stop an incursion between their universe and the X-Men’s universe and rescue Monica Rambeau. The two teams must later protect Loki at the Void after finding the TVA and uncovering Doctor Doom’s plan to conquer the Multiverse

>The team members include Captain America/Sam Wilson, Thor, Captain Marvel, Shang-Chi, Ant-Man, She-Hulk, Yelena Belova, Bucky Barnes, Bob/Sentry, Hulk, Shuri, Namor and the Fantastic Four, who join the mission because Doom kidnapped Franklin Richards, the son of Reed Richards and Sue Storm, and took him to the X-Men’s universe.

>Meanwhile, John Walker, Ghost, Red Guardian and Falcon remain on Earth-616 and unite with Wakanda led by M’Baku, Talokan led by Namora and Attuma, and the sorcerers of Kamar-Taj led by Wong to help defend Earth.

>>149006496 (OP)
Does anyone care for these characters? Hulk and Thor are okay but come on now

>>149006496 (OP)
>and rescue Monica Rambeau.
Why do they push that nobody so hard?

>>149006496 (OP)
Ah YES: Ant-Man, Thor, and a bunch of shitters I've long since ceased to care about.

>But Hulk-
People will say Banner was washed the moment they formlocked him in Endgame, but actually he was washed the moment they set up something between him and Widow at the start of Avengers 2 only to go out of their way to never ever resolve it.

>>149006496 (OP)
I hope they double-down on the She-Hulk retardedness.

>>149006707
It'll cost them whatever goodwill they managed to claw back with Thunderbolts and be a field day for outrage farmers so, yeah I hope so too. At this point the MCU brand is already so poisoned I want it to crash and burn faster.

Yelena a cute

>>149006762
She-Hulk needs to be studied like Batman & Robin and Revenge of the Fallen.

>>149006811
Hey i can enjoy both of those films, she hulk is just feminist swill

>>149006811
I never expected Marvel to make a female-led show that's somehow worse than Jessica Jones, but they managed to do so in the most horrifying way.

>>149006707
She Hulk is supposed to die alongside the Thunderbolts sans Bucky to prove that Doom is an a-List villain and to get Savage Hulk back

>>149006524
Monica has always been more popular than Carol to the point that people still consider her the true heir to the Captain Marvel name

>Does anyone care for these characters? Hulk and Thor are okay

Bait used to be believable.

>>149006811
Unlike She-Hulk, Batman & Robin didn't disrupt plans for a multi-film franchise. But unlike She-Hulk, Batman & Robin and ROTF were loads more enjoyable and are now more appreciated now that they're older.

I'll also say that She-Hulk was mid to okay, but it definitely doused the public's interest in MCU-TV programming.

>>149006496 (OP)
Too many characters

>>149006496 (OP)
So what bullshit will they use to demote John Walker to home guard duty? Sam lying and saying Walker is a pedo to keep him from joining the final battle? Or him locking John in a closet after everyone calls Sam out on his shit for bullying John?

>>149007059
If they kill the thunderbolts i swear to god im boycotting the MCU from here on out

>>149007059
Bucky's already died twice. Why does he get to cheat death while Sentry and his amazing friends get merc'd by Doom?

>>149007090
Not an argument when IW and Endgame already did more with who they had.

>>149007093
In a perfect world, John being forced to stay behind because of SamCap's fragile ego leads to him finding and reuniting Wanda and Vision, setting up John savibg the day with their help.

>>149007102
Hoping that it's just an Infinity War style fakeout when we already know they'll be back.

>>149007059
Ruffalo refuses to do any fight scenes, his version of Savage would be a green version of First Steps Thing

>>149007109
Disney is desperate to make Doom a proper major mass media villain on par with Magneto and Thanos and that means having him permanently kill a bunch of people. Disney may hate Walker, but they know fans love him along with Red Guardian and Yelena. So they have to die to make people forget Christian Troy Doom and chud blogger Doom from the 00 and 10 FF films.

The only one that is fan servicey death wise is She Hulk, since her show flopped so bad they are saying fuck it and having Doom off her.

I'll never understand how somebody's standards can be so fucking low to consider She-Hulk to be anywhere close to "mid" or "okay".
Unironically may be the worst capeshit I've ever seen.

>Dooms gonna conquer the multiverse?!?!?! CLAP BECAUSE ITS BIGGER!

Okay? and how is a single man going to form the correct tax poilcies for uncountable trillions of worlds?

>>149007122
No, it's permanently dead. Again, Disney REALLY fucking wants to make Doom a big fucking deal and legitimate villain to the eyes of nornies who don't read comics. So Doom is going to have a body count and be a murderer of heroes, in a way that makes him more more dangerous than Thanos (who only killed Loki and Vision, both of whom got better) or Magneto (no kill count).

>>149007167
They went after us with a knife laced with arsenic.

>>149006496 (OP)
this sounds so bloated

>>149007231
>reddit filename
You are not one of us.

>>149007284
I am too a Nazi!

MCU She-Hulk is absolute trash and I'm okay if she dies, but shouldn't a hero's death be emotional? As in a way that makes you feel bad that happens?
Like, I would feel nothing if that show's entire cast gets Ultimatum'd in the most graphic and gory ways imaginable.
Okay, maybe except for Abomination and only for old times' sake. I liked Abomination once.

>>149006496 (OP)
>incursion between their universe and the X-Men’s universe
Yay, more multiverse shit.

>>149006648
The romance between Black Widow and Hulk were some of the worst writing choices but the porn that came out of it was great.

>>149007334
After Thunderbolts bombed despite fans after clamoring for less multiverse shit and more standard movies like the old days, I wonder if Marvel is sweating buckets since they're ending the Multiverse Saga prematurely to move on to the Mutants.

>>149007334
>getting mad at the current timeline of the MCU

>>149006648
Hulk turned to shit the moment Hulk was stripped away from all his cast and stories.
No Betty, no Ross (bringing them back a decade later for memberberries when your franchise already turned to shit DOES NOT count)
It wasn't all that noticeable in Avengers because it was the first ensemble movie and it was reasonable to assume they're omitted to not clog the movie more than it needs to be, but the subtle cracks were already there.

OP forgot

>Sizzle reel shown in the Disney Blockbuster Consumer Products depicted Doom as he looks in the comics, complete with a scarred face inspired by "classic Universal monster movies"

>In the same sizzle reel art, Deadpool is depicted fighting alongside Sue Storn

>One of the sets seems to be a 60s suburban house owned by Bob's mom

>Alan Cummings spoiled that Nightcrawler will have a fight scene against Reed Richards

>Set leaks showed comic-accurate Sentinels will appear

>Chris Evans and Hayley Atwell will reprise their roles as Steve Rogers and Peggy Carter, the former now calling himself Nomad because Sam took on the Captain America mantle. This is the same MCU Steve, chronologically set while he was returning the Infinity Stones and living with Peggy in retirement after Endgame but before he returned as an old man

>Doom's motive is that he wants to restore his universe, at the cost of the rest of the multiverse getting destroyed

>New York apparently gets obliterated in an incursion (rip Daredevil?)

>Anthony Mackie teased it will have another ESB-style ending with lots of deaths like Infinity War (though he confirmed Sam will appear in Secret Wars, the F4 cast is also returning for the next film)

>>149007485
>>Anthony Mackie teased it will have another ESB-style ending with lots of deaths like Infinity War (though he confirmed Sam will appear in Secret Wars,
I fucking hate Sam Wilson

>>149007155
What about low budget Doom from the 94 film?
Killing off Yelena in Doomsday sounds stupid desu.

>>149007187
I just hope those that die put up a good fight.

>>149007388
With Avengers it was reasonable to assume that.

>>149007154
They can just have a mo cap stand in. He's all CG anyway. Hell fucking Ferrigno could do it

>>149007187
I don't understand how Disney thinks they can have a decades spanning franchise when they keep pissing characters away. At this point there's probably more characters in the MCU dead than alive.

>>149007154
But why?
Is it health/age-related (understandable) or some retarded mindset of "fight scenes in an action franchise are bad" that seems to be affecting some people?

Is Gambit supposed to show up in this one?

>>149007082
Give me my (You) NIGGER

>>149007646
Putting Lou Ferrigno in a mo cap suit for fight scenes would be dope ngl.

>>149007692
Yeah

>>149007720
Cool, he's always been my favorite capeshit guy

Am I the only one who's noticed the most successful post-Endgame MCU stories are those that either bank on Nostalgia, have/sincerely tries to address/explore serious topics or both? Because WB clearly hasn't.

>>149007074
lol no she's been sales poison since the day she was created in the 80s
she cratered a billion dollar franchise as soon as she became a major character

>>149007102
Nobody saw the Thunderbolts anyway so you'd joining them

>>149007784
>have/sincerely tries to address/explore serious topics
You mean critically successful? Because Eternals and Thunderbolts both bombed hard.

>>149006496 (OP)
>multiverse shit

>>149008171
What hasn't bombed hard? I think the only films that actually performed on the level of pre Endgame MCU was Spiderman (which always does) and Guardians 3.

Is the thunderbolts already out? Wanna watch my girl Florence Pugh

>>149008328
bro it's been out for like a month.
i'm pretty sure it's off cinemas now.

>>149008171
Those 2 are outliers.

>>149008284
Multiverse of Madness, Deadpool & Wolverine also did.

>>149008386
I mean to watch online. I don't go to cinemas

>>149008442
>Those 2 are outliers.
Well then I don't know what else you're talking about, name examples.

>>149006524
Why are Disney pushing the black uggo grrl boss with the nappiest of nappy hair?

>>149009133
She used to look better.

The 'Marvels' movie should've been about Monica and Beast having an adventure and both Carol and Kamala should've only been Cameos.

>>149006496 (OP)
>She-Hulk
yeah, right

She-Hulk won't die.

>>149006496 (OP)
Remember the times when you could just watch a movie without needing to be familiar with a dozen other movies/shows?

>>149006496 (OP)
Every /co/ “leak” thread:
>this woke thing is going to be even more woke
Or
>this woke thing is going to be brutally murdered because x studio realized go woke go broke
Every time

>>149010821
but OPs leak is neither?

>>149006496 (OP)
>Namor
Really? Is his casting confirmed in this? Thought Disney wanted to get rid of the guy after the sexpest alegations

>heroes stay to help defend Earth
From who exactly? The X-men are attacking earth 616?

I wish they divided secret wars into 2 movies and made this one a Doom glazing film

>>149007680
He thinks Hulk's character is toxic

>>149006524
Because it's fucking time
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xuosmf1_mKs

>>149006496 (OP)
But what about IRONHEART !?

>>149007074
Only time Monica was ever liked was Nextwave when she was treated as the joke she is

>>149007082
>spoiler
Bait was indeed believable, once upon a time.

>>149007388
>No Ross
How they handled Ross after Civil War has been bizarre and underwhelming in general, you're apparently supposed to believe the man who shit on the Avengers has enough political clout to become president and it's handwaved by him having coerced another man who's so smart he...repeatedly has his predictions foiled and has been held hostage by the US government for years, into doing his dirty work.

>>149010821
To be fair, the former is consistent. The latter, more unpredictable.

>>149007231
He was both though.

What's an incursion again?

>>149013144
It's when the boundaries between two universes erode, causing them to collide and destroy in each other. In the MCU specifically, this is allegedly the result of long term multiverse travel. ALLEGEDLY. Several versions of Dr. Strange are said to have destroyed their or other universes just by looking for a macguffin. This is in spite of the fact that the Kang Variants war went on for a prolonged time before the conflict threatened to destroy reality. We have NUMEROUS instances of characters freely travelling realities like the TVA and the Scarlet Witch and the Masters of the Mystic Arts and now Americ Chavez WITHOUT at any point being suggested to be existential threats.

In other words, it's a clumsily shoehorned in threat being used to try to raise the stakes that seemingly only matters to Dr. Strange and only Dr. Strange.

>>149013208
I think you're confusing incursions with the multiverse war Kang had with himself. The Multiverse War was pre-TVA Kangs going full Highlander, deducing that only one variant could exist as every other one posed a threat to their respective universe/empire. Post He Who Remains Kangs formed The Council of Kangs as a means to prevent another war/mutually assured destruction. TVA science, which is Kang science, appears to be the "Correct" way to travel between realities without causing long term damage.

In Multiverse of Madness however an incursion appears to be created by improper travel, essentially methods that appear to blow holes in reality itself without proper mending after the fact. America Chavez is valuable because her power is a means of traversing the multiverse naturally since most haven't cracked Kang's science yet. When too many portals create too many tears, it's like a water balloon leaking out its contents

But yes you are correct, Disney did a really shit job conveying this well

>>149013281
>TVA science, which is Kang science, appears to be the "Correct" way to travel between realities without causing long term damage.
I'm more expressing annoyance at the extremely vague and poorly conveyed reasoning for Kang science being in fact the "correct" way to travel the multiverse and there being NO fucking qualification of the "incorrect" way other than Dr. Strange is apparently doing it but Wanda? Nope not at all, not even while wielding the power of Chthon. Clea specifically blames Dr. Strange for causing the new Incursion at the end of the movie, not Wanda. It can't just be using magic since Dr. Strange 1 established the Masters of the Mystic Arts are familiar with traversing other realities.

>America Chavez is valuable
Also yes, I am annoyed by again how poorly conveyed the uniqueness of her power is because it makes it seem like Wanda is too stupid to understand a sling ring can enable multiverse travel (Deadpool does it in his third movie) and the movie does nothing to clear up that misconception.

Which is why overall, I just get the impression the Incursions as currently expressed in MCU canon exist purely as a way to make Dr. Strange and only Dr. Strange's life harder, presumably until Doomsday.

>>149006496 (OP)
I don't know which of these stories I find believable, but I would kind of believe that they're going with incursion story, because:

1. Jonathan Hickman's Avengers run where the "incursions" are from is the most boring superhero run I have ever read and even the word "incursion" makes me fall as

2. ...leep;

3. Feige only cares about 21st-century comics, which is how he decided to make Thunderbolts what it was instead of a cool story about villains pretending to be heroes;

4. Feige probably still has enough clout to convince Disney that these Thunderbolts/Brave New World characters can be popular, which they can't.

My only hope for this two-movie cycle is that the Russos have talked about loving the original 1984 Secret Wars, which at least creates hope that they might bring in some elements from the fun, poorly written 1984 version instead of the boring, poorly written Hickman version. That won't help Avengers Doomsday though.

>>149006515
I only care for the X-Men.

>>149007776
Second that.
And he might be somehow safe bc I'm sure they want him for Secret Wars.

Was she hulk really that bad or is it incels seething again?

>>149014148
It's one of the worst artifacts made by human hands.

This shit is meant to be their course correction but it is just dripping in who cares stuff. The last two phases have had so much nonsense go absolutely no where.

>>149007784
Falcon show tried to address a serious topic. Was it successful?

>>149013431
Sling rings are not the "correct" way either. Thing most people miss, which is shown in the D&W concept art book, is that specific sling ring has a reality and time stone on it to compensate. Mirror Dimension is most likely not a true reality, but more of a subspace every dimension has under it. Clea might be referring to how sloppy things were fixed after the original Doctor Strange movie, as Dormammu still ripped a hole into their reality then fucked off from annoyance

>>149014148
No. It falls apart at the end but its far from the worst thing the MCU has ever produced. Anon here >>149014185 is just the one of many who just meme/shitpost the hell out of it because its easy and no one will say otherwise

>>149014269
Dude the show shits on WW2 veterans.

>>149014148
It was bad. Felt like the target was menopausal women.

>>149014148
Yes, it was genuinely one of the worst things not just from MCU but from live-action capeshit in general.
Anybody saying it's "okay" or "not that bad" is either a shill trying to damage control and soften the blow or an actual retard with no taste.
It has nothing to do with "incels" despite them living in the writers' heads rent-free to the point that they dedicated a significant chunk of the "story" seething about them (because that's what superhero fans want!), it's just a genuine shit show. No good villains (and, they even butcher few good comic ones they use like the Wrecking Crew), no fight scenes worth a shit, comedy is trash, story is literally "we made it shit on purpose", there's zero redeeming qualities about this piece of shit, the characters are all annoying and unlikable.
>>149014269
Case in point, one of these shills/retards.
>far from the worst thing the MCU has ever produced
Lmao. Just lmao.
>>149012187
Shit like this is why I miss Norton. At least I'm vindicated for not liking Ruffalo in 2012.
>>149013065
The weirdest part to me is that they wanted to adapt Red Hulk in the first place. Nobody liked Red Hulk, people were calling Loeb a hack all the time. Is it just one of those "normies never read the story, but heard about it, so they think it's popular because it's good" like House of M and Civil War or Feige has shit taste again?

>>149015399
>Lmao. Just lmao
Bro did not watch Secret Invasion, or even Iron Fist considering that's canon now

>>149015494
Neither of those are anywhere near as bad as She-Hulk, fuck you.

Secret Invasion is just generic by-the-numbers MCU slop. The plot is very stupid and you probably shouldn't do a story about superheroes not trusting each other without superheroes, but then again you shouldn't adapt Bendis' shit in the first place (even then Bendis > Slott). It was definitely not the "Winter Soldier is back on the menu, guys" thing that the writers and producers envisioned, but at least there's some attempt to have some meat in the story. It tried to have intrigue, it tried to have stakes, it tried to actually be a capeshit story. It succeeded in none of those, but that's more than I can say for She-Hulk.
Iron Fist is at least funny (unlike She-Hulk despite the latter supposedly being a comedy). I can find plenty of entertainment in how bad it is.
She-Hulk may as well be like watching the paint dry, if the paint costed $200 million. It's not even the funny kind of bad, it's just regular bad.
Also Ward > all of She-Hulk's characters.

>>149006496 (OP)
>The Avengers must stop an incursion between their universe and the X-Men’s universe and rescue Monica Rambeau. The two teams must later protect Loki at the Void after finding the TVA and uncovering Doctor Doom’s plan to conquer the Multiverse
sounds like a Kang plot.

>The team members include Captain America/Sam Wilson, Thor, Captain Marvel, Shang-Chi, Ant-Man, She-Hulk, Yelena Belova, Bucky Barnes, Bob/Sentry, Hulk, Shuri, Namor and the Fantastic Four, who join the mission because Doom kidnapped Franklin Richards, the son of Reed Richards and Sue Storm, and took him to the X-Men’s universe.
I like the teams but I don't care for RDJ Doom.

>Meanwhile, John Walker, Ghost, Red Guardian and Falcon remain on Earth-616 and unite with Wakanda led by M’Baku, Talokan led by Namora and Attuma, and the sorcerers of Kamar-Taj led by Wong to help defend Earth.
help defend earth from what? the FOX-Men are like 5 people

>>149015840
The part where Fury tries to get Rhodey to side with him because “we can’t let the mediocre white men keep holding us down MAH NIGGA” and Rhodey quite rightfully tells him to go fuck himself because he’s a filthy glowie were excessive, as was the fact Rhodey was railroaded into helping him anyway. Also the Super Skrull procedure existing as an excuse to slap every superpower ever on some characters who will never be relevant in the main movies was halfassed and low effort even by slop standards. In addition to that, the explanation for why the Skrulls are so repressed even though the Guardians of the Galaxy locate a new habitable planet every other thursday and feel the need to blend in even though the Asgardians are living quite happily in Norway with full public knowledge of their inhumanity is bafflingly nonexistent.

Other than that I agree for 80% of the series, it’s the 20% that comes to the forefront during key moments of the conflict that makes it subpar taken as a whole. If you edited those parts out of the movie, I’d agree. But they didn’t. So I don’t.

Also the whole bit about Fury fucking a Skrull on the side who kept a dead woman’s form was just weird.

>>149006496 (OP)
Sounds like 3 too many plot threads and 10 too many characters I don't give a fuck about.

>>149016304
Oh, I don't disagree. The Super-Skrull thing in particular should've been handled better. And maybe saved for Fantastic Four or some cosmic hero. Trying to have a Super-Skrull (even if not Kl'rt) in a story that wants to be "gritty and grounded spy drama" just rubs me the wrong way, personally. Having normal Skrulls was pushing it somewhat but acceptable, this feels like Thanos dealing drugs in Bronx or some shit like that.
But all in all, I just think Secret Invasion is a lot better than She-Hulk. Which is not exactly praise
Usually I can find at least some entertainment or redeeming qualities even in bad superhero shows, not with She-Hulk.

>>149016475
I mean you had Tony and pals teaming up with the Guardians to stop Thanos on Titan, Thor off on an adventure with Rocket, and Everyone else defending Wakanda in a movie that was only slightly successful.
The Avengers movies are supposed to be busy.

>>149015399
>Case in point, one of these shills/retards.
Why the fuck would I shill a show that's no longer relevant and likely not going to matter at all? I'm sorry being told things you don't like or want to hear fucks with your echo chamber.

>>149016578
That was a 2 parter with better build up of every character involved prior to the film. And 3 less plot threads.

>>149016725
So you just admit to being a tasteless retard, then. That's cool, what are you seething at me for?
>being told things you don't like or want to hear
No, just retards spreading things that are objectively wrong.
>echo-chamber
No, not having shit taste is not "echo-chamber" is no matter how your faggy ass wants it to be otherwise.

>>149016762
I'm being confrontational with you because you're a dipshit who has a problem with anything that isn't a conversational dead end who also exaggerates every goddamn thing to the point where harsh criticism is in fact meaningless when shitting on the MCU's faults. Secret Wars, The Marvels, Ms Marvel, and Eternals were all worse than She-Hulk. Does that make She-Hulk the best thing ever? Fuck no. The ending to She-Hulk was trash, and the show wasn't allowed to explore its own premise due to both budgetary concerns and available IPs.

You kill actual discussion, especially when we actually collectively (and rightfully) start shitting on MCU projects. Get out of your own way.

>>149016828
>We didn't have the budget to do what we wanted to do!
Oh please. This must be Dan Slott.

>>149016759
>That was a 2 parter with better build up of every character involved prior to the film
And this will be a 2 parter, and by the time everyone is brought together they will have at least one full movie introduction. Wakanda and all those characters had one single movie's introduction.

>>149016850
>I'll pretend you're a hack writer therefore I win the argument
Grow up. Fuck Dan, he's a fat faggot who like Bendis is driven by royalty money. That doesn't change what I said. The premise of the show is superhero law, yet it doesn't fully explore that premise to make for a fun program. And yes, both money and IP shit were the reason. I would have preferred She-Hulk just be introduced in a movie or something as a side role but Hulk shit is a nightmare all around. I can at least appreciate the show for trying to break the tired out formula. Execution was lacking, and it's forgettable. Still not the worst shit MCU has cranked out though

The word of the day is Embezzlement.

>>149016828
>I'm being confrontational with you
Because you're a retarded piece of garbage? Yes, yes you are. Now shut the fuck up
>who also exaggerates every goddamn thing
Oh, the irony.
Hey, retard. Saying "She-Hulk is the worst thing MCU ever produced" is not a fucking exaggeration.
>Secret Wars
Not even out yet, dipshit.
>The Marvels
Not even close, kek. It's not a good movie, but it had an actual plot and a villain as shitty as they were.
>Ms Marvel
Inoffensive Disney channel-tier zoomer shit. Not my cup of tea, but I can see how the target audience could like it.
>Eternals
Again, not even fucking close. I don't give a fuck if you think it's bad, there's more effort put into it than in your shitty show.
>exaggerates every goddamn thing to the point where harsh criticism is in fact meaningless when shitting on the MCU's faults
Now that's ironic.
>and the show wasn't allowed to explore its own premise due to both budgetary concerns and available IPs
>the show wasn't allowed to explore its own premise
Oh shut the fuck up, moron.
>budgetary concerns
Ah yes, that's right. The show that cost 200 mil. was shit because it was "too cheap". Hey, tard. Netflix shit delivered much better stories with a fraction of that. I'm saying that as somebody who dislikes most of Netflix crap
>You kill actual discussion
Again, very ironic
>we
Did your whore mother not teach you to speak for yourself only?
Kill yourself, you gigantic fucking retard.
You're a self-righteous fucking idiot and you should unironically get cancer, fucking subhuman scumsucker.

>>149016890
Yeah it's not the "let's own the chuds" mentality that doomed the show.

>>149016931
>>149016946
What, you don't like a show where the villains are a cross between 4chan and reddit?
As in, Intelligencia in MCU is literally a MRA subreddit?
You must be exaggerating that it's the worst and killing actual discussion! Here's a list of mid-to-moderately bad products that are totally worse!

I still can't believe that they left in the catfishing/ponzi rape stuff.

You really need a big budget on four buff dudes in pajamas who wield construction tools.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czBI3wbyaxo
Your Wrecking Crew btw.
Ironically MCU wasted more money than they needed on CGI to make those things glow so that the viewers would know that they're supposed to be magical (because they certainly wouldn't know otherwise)

>>149017013
>Anthony Gramuglia unironically thinks this is good.

>>149016943
>>149016946
>>149016964
>>149016977
>>149017013
Wait a minute, I know you. You're in She-Hulk comic threads too.

>>149016890
>muh law
Oh, it's one of those absolute retards. Let me spell it out for you, the law garbage is inherently bad and only the mouthbreathers like you wanted it.
>trying to break the tired out formula
Code phrase for "let's break things that are not broken"
>Still not the worst shit MCU has cranked out though
Yes, dipshit. Yes it is.
>>149017066
>everybody who calls me out is the same person
Holy cope.

>>149017066
Think again.

>>149016477
Oh just so we’re clear, I absolutely agree She-Hulk is the nadir of the current MCU. It just sounded like you were more forgiving to Secret Invasion than I were, but it sounds like we just have different ways of phrasing the same general reaction.

>>149016828
>Secret Wars
No. The parts when it was pretending to be an espionage series were far superior to She-Hulk twerking on the table, somehow slutshaming Daredevil or clumsily using a 4th wall break in an awkward way that confuses self-awareness with quality
>The Marvels
Better fight scenes and CGI splash effects if you’re an actual child, also Kamala’s actress has more charisma than the rest of the cast combined. I’ll admit that’s it, though.
>Ms. Marvel
As I alluded to earlier, as much as I dislike the concept of a Ms. Marvel show to begin with even I have to admit the actress is doing a damn good job at playing “winsome naive newbie superhero”
>Eternals
Better fight scenes and much better CGI. Again, like with The Marvels that’s it.

Here’s. Have some discussion. Now try to engage with it and tell me what specifically in She-Hulk between the poorly handled legal drama, the strawmen Hulk wannabe enemies, and Jen screaming at Bruce that his anger management couldn’t POSSIBLY compare to being a woman in modern America justifies the show being better than any of the above. Because all you’ve done is stamp your foot and cry about it, instead of actually mentioning anything in the show that justifies your opinion.

Because you can’t.

>>149017094
Truth Nuke, Superhuman Law was never good & is peak reddit.

>>149017094
>>149017096
Haha it is you! Wow its been a minute.

It's kinda funny that She-Hulk has legit go away heat.

>>149017123
>the strawmen Hulk wannabe enemies,
I think everyone in this thread called that out for being dumb. Don't know why you're pretending otherwise.
>Jen screaming at Bruce that his anger management couldn’t POSSIBLY compare to being a woman in modern America
I don't know why you keep misinterpreting that scene. The point was Jen telling Bruce that his issues aren't hers, which has always been evident between the two characters since She-Hulk's inception. Jen never suffered from the daddy issue driven D.I.D Bruce had. She just used everyday examples of things that annoy her and how she handles her anger better than Bruce. I think what you're doing there is running with the examples she used and linking them to modern feminist dumb bullshit we've had to put up with in recent years. Which I totally understand that fatigue but I think you're being a bit unfair here given context

They got a male bodybuilder for the Hulk tv homage... Just another layer of "fuck you" I guess?

>>149017123
Ms. Marvel was the quintessential "oh, I'm way too old to be watching this kind of show" for me, so I wasn't too harsh on it even if I'm also not a fan of Kamala. It's one of those things I accept aren't for me.
>>149017126
>he lost the argument so he keeps searching for his buttbuddies to save his hide
Lol?

>>149017178
Well to be fair the Hulk is a literal manifestation of child abuse & Jen primarily uses her powers to make-up for lost time because she didn't party in college.

>>149017178
>called that out for being dumb
I’m calling you out for acknowledging things like this and still insisting the She-Hulk show isn’t the worst of the worst.
>The point was Jen telling Bruce that his issues aren't hers
First of all, stop punching at your bogeymen. Second of all, it’s STILL a stupid fucking point to make in context because it demonstrates Jen’s being incredibly insensitive and self-absorbed relative to the struggles Bruce has survived compared to her waaaaah I can’t get laid the riiiight way everyday shit.
>She just used everyday examples
Right, she showed zero empathy for the very person she was asking for help
>she handles her anger better
No she doesn’t. At no point is her life ever at risk, and no I do not acknowledge in any way shape or form her problems are worthy of the same gravitas.
>I think what you’re doing there is running with the examples
And I think you’re being extremely disingenuous that associating them with modern feiminist dumb bullshit ISN’T the intended effect of that scene
>I think you’re being a bit unfair here
And I think we’re both ultimately being retarded for putting more thought into the show than the creators, but I’m not changing my mind or overlooking obvious DEI investment indicators. I’ve watched the scene. I think your reading is an incredibly generous one because AT NO POINT does Jen ever reflect on her own actions and acknowledge she was a flawed person, which was the only acceptable outcome of that exchange.

>>149017228
This. That anon is stubbornly defending that concept like it somehow magically redeems the entire show to turn Jen into a character whose storyline is having her cake and eating it.

>>149015399
>Is it just one of those "normies never read the story, but heard about it, so they think it's popular because it's good" like House of M and Civil War or Feige has shit taste again?
same thing happened with Sentry btw

>>149006524
>Why do they push that nobody so hard?
BLACK GIRL MAGIC

Daredevil (or Jessica Jones if you want an equivalent of a super-strong woman who fights enemies with budget-friendly powers. I don't even like Jessica Jones, but it still works better than She-Hulk) had 40 million per SEASON and in 13 episodes had a more compelling story than She-Hulk did with a budget of 25 mil per EPISODE and nine episodes of which are.
>two boring introduction episodes where nothing happened
>entire episode dedicated to glazing some forgettable industry plant with shades of "rape by deception is funny guise because the guy is a cartoonish idiot" and Malekith-tier take on Wrecking Crew in the end
>Wong-wank episode (btw fuck Wong, I don't care for this character no matter how hard Disney tries to psyop me into thinking he's cool)
>the boring-ass Titania episode that amounted to absolutely nothing
>the boring-ass wedding episode that served no purpose at all
>Zeb Wells' crywank episode about being dumped because of course Zebediah the Cucklord would write something that boring
>Daredevil episode which was the least bad, I guess. Mostly due to Cox' charisma
>that godawful finale
I'm not saying other shows are good, but at least things HAPPEN in them.

>>149017267
>I’m calling you out for acknowledging things like this and still insisting the She-Hulk show isn’t the worst of the worst.
Meh, I've seen dumber in the MCU that outright pisses me off.
>First of all, stop punching at your bogeymen.
What are you talking about? I didn't call out a specific group or strawman?
>Second of all, it’s STILL a stupid fucking point to make in context because it demonstrates Jen’s being incredibly insensitive and self-absorbed relative to the struggles Bruce has survived
How? She's not discounting Bruce's issues, she merely pointing out that he's projecting his inner demons onto her. You're approaching this as some sort of weird contest of personal when that's not the case here.
>No she doesn’t.
What? That's always been true between these two characters. I'm not understanding how you can say that given years of material/history.

While I do acknowledge dumbass Disney woke pandering like The Acolyte and most likely Ironheart, and totally understand that dumbass shit causing audience fatigue, I personally feel like you're running more with meta context rather than what character history and actual context is giving you. Also not sure why you're insulting me when I'm not doing that to you

>>149017311
>BLACK GIRL MAGIC
Professional screenwriters sat down and read that line, and somehow didn’t die from embarrassment. Genuinely the worst part of the movie. Imagine looking at Nick Fury as he was shown in Avengers 1, and explaining to someone that he got his scar from Carol’s stupid alien cat as well as the fact that he’s the kind of man who can and will scream BLACK GIRL MAGIC in response to a superpower-induced emergency.

>>149017310
To be fair I think that’s in part because let’s face it, the concept of an Evil Superman has never gone out of style.

What is less talked about is if you look at the web animation scene, Good Superman is actually very popular too. Normies also LOVE watching Good Superman dab on the likes of Homelander. There are randos making what can be barely called animation that have a better idea of how to sell the idea of Superman as a power fantasy-and let’s face it, it is a power fantasy even if it has a moral heft to it-than Warner Bros.

>>149017354
>Meh
I’ve seen a lot of dumb shit in the MCU that’s pissed me off. And I’m going to stand here and tell you that the shit in She-Hulk is the worst of it all unless you have a good fucking excuse for defending it like you’re being paid to. Answer the fucking question. What do you actually ENJOY about this piece of shit show?
>What are you talking about?
”I don't know why you keep misinterpreting that scene.”, if you want to be taken seriously stop being disingenuous
>How?
By utterly discounting the issues in his life and acting as if hers take precedence and demonstrate superior emotional control.
>That’s always been true
Only insofar as Jen HAS A LESS TRAUMATIC REASON FOR HAVING A HULK you retard. You’re ignoring the context the MCU characters are discussing her transformation in and cherrypicking their relationship in the comics to ignore the fact that Jen is being an entitled, spoilt bitch and never gets called out for it in the show.
>I personally feel like
I don’t need meta context to find a show that turns a sexy, confident character in the comics into a self-hating, overcompensating terrible influence on everyone around her frustrating.
>not sure why you’re insulting me
Because I find you defending She-Hulk while never stating what, if anything, makes it GOOD more personally insulting than anything else. At best, it’s intellectually dishonest. At worst, it’s you tacitly admitting you’re being paid to waste your time here by a big company.

>>149017361
>the concept of an Evil Superman has never gone out of style
no it got stale very quickly. the thing is that Sentry is NOT an Evil Superman.

>>149012185
Agreed.

This sounds like Time runs out mashed together with Avengers vs X-Men.

I guess Franklin and Loki replace Molecule Man. I'm also guessing that Dr Strange isnt showing up to him doing some shit behind the scenes (like in Time runs out), but not as Dooms right hand. He'll still be the one to help the heroes that show up with their memories intact on Battleworld(Jackman, Maguire, Deadpool, Holland (Bana, Cage, Garfield)).

No idea how Star-Lord, Vision and Champions will tie in. Maybe they drive the arc, while Multiverse Avengers are summoned by Loki before he gets owned by Doom.

>>149016578
Bucky, Falcon and Winter Soldier and Mangis don't even have any lines in the movie. Most characters will just be hanging around.

I don't understand how this shit is supposed to work when Doom hasn't been introduced while Thanos had 10 trillion movies before he became important

People talk about how Snyder “misunderstands” Batman and Superman despite his iterations not falling anywhere far from the tree. An actual example of misunderstanding and misconstruing a character is She-Hulk. That character is a pure sex joke and somehow the millennial women writers over at Marvel tried to make her a bastion of female empowerment. Like how retarded can you be?

>>149007784
The last good post Endgame MCU content was Agents of SHIELD and Agatha all along


I’d rather a story with localized, more personal stakes than some larger than life spectacle

>>149018171
The last good post Infinity War MCU content was Thunderbolts. Turns out almost everything else was a waste of time.

>>149018138
Doom is much more complicated than Thanos too, his relationship with the F4 is essential.
This is 90% going to be a disaster

>>149018509
It's not going to be a "disaster" because it's made by people who made at least 1 good movie in their lives, but the chances of it being good are VERY low