Why is it so forgotten compared to other 2010s hit cartoons

>>149009348 (OP)
Because, and I say this with no irony, insincerity or attempt to bait, it was not very good. It never managed to rise above being misery porn.

>>149009348 (OP)
Because I don't want to rewatch a show that makes me feel bad about life.

>>149009348 (OP)
Because after a whole lot of buildup it just kind of flubbed the ending and honestly the last couple of seasons were letdowns overall compared to the direction the show was taking before then. Seasons 2 through 4 were easily the peak.

>>149009348 (OP)
I think everyone realized it fucking sucks, I loved the first 2 seasons when it was still new, But now they are hard to watch

>>149010064
Seasons 5 and 6 feel like they were afraid to commit to a truly serious cartoon drama and backed out by introducing a bunch of extra wacky shit that even made early season 1 feel tame.

>>149010064
This. Real shame too, since at their peaks, S2 and S4 were some of the most mature adult animation we've gotten.
>>149010341
Because after S4 is when the creator met Weinstein and he told him how much he liked Bojack, so the creator decided he had to attack people who liked Bojack.

>>149010064
Thank you, like yeah just really goes to show how a bad last season/ending can ruin the whole show.

>>149010064
>>149010341
The creator got mad that a rich sex pest liked his show when the show was in fact making fun of people like him and thus decided to pivot because he's a shitlib moron.

>>149010526
>>149010624
>Compromising your artistic integrity because you found out that someone you don't like happens to like your work
I hate this shit, same thing happened to Paranatural when the creator found out that 4chan liked it and then because of his misconception of what 4chan was basically destroyed the entire narrative. If your work starts getting even moderately big some people you dislike are going to end up liking it, either because it touches on universal themes or because they've misinterpreted it, that's just life. No need to throw the baby out with the bathwater.

>>149009348 (OP)
That Family Guy joke was just that powerful.

>>149010684
This is what essentially happened with The Boys too. But yeah, the concept of "NO ONLY THE PEOPLE I WANT TO ENJOY WHAT I MAKE MUST ENJOY IT, IF YOU LIKE IT AND ARENT PART OF THAT GROUP, YOU'RE A LOSER AND DONT GET TO ENJOY MY SHOW" is fucking retarded.
Then again, that sort of shit is inherently built into Socialist praxis so it shouldn't be too surprising.

>>149010684
It gets worse when you realize the show up until that point was showing some rich sex pest hollywood-type who WANTED to change and be a better person, and was actively taking steps to be a better person.
Suddenly after the meeting, in S5 onwards Bojack is just irredeemable and not really trying to be better, just looking for happiness now.

>>149009348 (OP)
Because it ultimately went nowhere.

>"Uh oh, we've completely written ourselves into a corner and Bojack looks like he can finnaly be at peace in his life and move on."
>"Quick Have Hollyhock meet the guy Bojack was with and got a kid to get alcohol poisoning!"
>"And introduce two WACKY southern detectives who will have near clairvoyance and solve the Bojavk mystery in 1 1/2 episodes!"

>>149009348 (OP)
I don't think it is. If you put a gun against my head and told me to name more than 2 2010s cartoons, I'd be fucked.

>>149009355
What would've happened if she came in when he had already fucked her?

>>149009348 (OP)
Its not, but /co/ and Youtube are retarded places to bring it up. I watched that shit 4 times.

>>149009348 (OP)
It isn't? The creator has even had 2 more cartoons since then.

>>149010064
Pretty much this. You could tell they just let the train keep going aimlessly, retreading the same grounds only to have a melty and throw out everything because some creep liked the show.

>>149011055
>You could tell they just let the train keep going aimlessly, retreading the same grounds
S3 was a bit of a rehash of S1's arc, where Bojack has to learn popularity/legacy isn't going to save him. But they clearly had a direction they were going with. Bojack at the end of S2 nearly slept with Penny because he still cared about himself over what effect his actions would have. Bojack at the end of S4 gave up being able to finally tell off his mother and get closure, all just to tell the confused old woman that remained of his mother a comforting lie. He was improving and becoming less selfish and destructive as a person.

>>149009348 (OP)

>>149009348 (OP)
People have raised interesting points already but im going to specifically point to the medium.

Streaming in general and Netflix in particular are a very what have you done for me lately type medium where you're not going to see Netflix be like "Remember bojack horseman? Go watch that again it's still good!" There's no reruns, nothing to remind people bojack exists.

That coupled with spitting on the fan base with the last season (Netflix punishing the studio for unionizing by telling them to wrap it up with season 6 is shitty but at the same time foreseeable you can make all the billionaires bad jokes you want them still killed your show) the death of the Diane character arc (just find some big bull dicked single dad to fuck your problems away also take your meds).

At the end of the show nobody was better for having watched it it was just shitty and nobody wants to go back to a thing that ended so shitty.

It's the game of thrones of cartoons in that regard.

>>149009355
I wrote a sequel for this scene. Bojack showed up at Penny’s college high as a kite and her mom shows up to kill Bojack.

Bojack’s response is this. “I understand you’re angry and want to kill, but think of it this way. If you kill me now you’ll get arrested because all the security saw you come in. It’ll be on the news and then Penny is going to go through even more shit. I’m going to go take a shower. When I come back I’m going to finish that novelty giant bottle of Jack Daniels no matter what. There’s a bottle of dissolvable sleeping pills in that cabinet. They’ll think it’s a suicide or stupidity. Goodnight”.

When Bojack comes back out she’s gone. He sits at the table, pours himself a glass, chugs it down, and stares straight ahead looking sad .

>>149010940
/co/ has a hate boner towards this show for no reason

>>149010064
Those seasons were straight up one of the best adult series ever written. It's a shame the creator dashed it all because he couldn't stand the idea of someone he didn't personally agree with liking his work. What a fucking waste man.

>>149010754
I don't get this opinion, the last two seasons are about Bojack's sins catching up to him
Season 5 was about the fact that Bojack had only changed superficially, and that he would still regress into his previous state
Season 6 was about how he still needs to admit responsibility for what he had done in a past

>>149009348 (OP)
gay ass millennial show

>>149012476
>Season 6 was about how he still needs to admit responsibility for what he had done in a past
Which is why it invents shocking new wrongdoing by retconing a past season?

>>149012476
That's fair in concept, in practice though the movie had been treating Bojack as someone genuinely on the mend and the change in tone feels more like a heel-turn than an organic look at how his character operated

it was too NORMAL

>>149012577
>the movie
No idea why the fuck I typed this, the previous seasons*

>>149009348 (OP)
i wouldn't know, ive never been involved with reddit.

>>149012577
That's fair, that was kinda stupid, they could've just let the Hollyhock thing be his downfall
But I don't think that's season ruining
>>149012577
I can see that, but he didn't start spiraling until like halfway through season 5

>>149009348 (OP)
becuse it was nothing but pure progressive culture propaganda, it was one of the worst cartoons I've ever seen

>>149010787
She probably would have seen his penis and realized she missed out bad.

>>149009348 (OP)
BoJack Horseman was a streaming exclusive. Literally all the other mainstream adult animations you could compare it to aired on broadcast TV and benefited from reruns and syndication. BoJack doesn't have that.

>>149012408
That’s pretty much every show except Venture Bros.

>>149014224
no, her plan along was to have him killed and make it seem like it was all his fault and like any typical female supremacist propaganda it praises her and women like her for it

>>149009348 (OP)
It wasn’t

>>149009348 (OP)
It was and is boring.

>>149009348 (OP)
too negative and cynical without enough redeeming qualities to form a cultural impact

>"you make me feel... BAD"
>this was actual dialogue

>>149009348 (OP)
I think about BoJack every other day and have since it ended.

>>149017396
It wasn't?

>>149012476
>Season 5 was about the fact that Bojack had only changed superficially
Which is the retcon that throws the last four seasons in the trash.
Bojack didn't change superficially, the forgiveness he showed his mother at the end of S4 was something S2 or S1 Bojack would have NEVER done. Hell, S3 Bojack fucked up his movie and flushed Kelsey's career just because he thought it would help his legacy. And yet in S4, Bojack was willing to sacrifice his own happiness and closure with his mother, just to show her some kindness.
The problem with the retcon is it doesn't just change what we already know, it demands we accept the exact opposite of what we've seen already, and pretend it was always that way.

>>149009348 (OP)
Too much normal words, not enough horse guy.

>>149009348 (OP)
Because

>>149019457
More man than a horse, if you will.

>>149010768
Honestly the southern detectives were some of the funniest stuff in the series.

>>149021392
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkhHY7U3LwU

>>149019447
>S3 Bojack fucked up his movie and flushed Kelsey's career just because he thought it would help his legacy
Which he felt bad about and became obcessed with apologizing to her about for an entire episode; also something a "superficially changed" Bojack would not do.

>>149010526
Wait how did he meet Weinstein, isn't he in jailM

>>149009355
Wait, did he rape a kid?

>>149022252
The deer girl Bojack is close with was a high school senior. It's shitty, but it wasn't rape of a minor.

>>149022252
The show itself even points out the age of consent in NM is 16. That part is probably the least shitty of what he did that day but it's treated like the worst.

>>149009348 (OP)
>>149009355
I forgot and I think others did too that before that boat scene Bojack tried to hit on or kiss the deer mom and was rejected. So it's double anger if the mom thinks he was just going for "the other option." Sucks to suck though; besides the meme was it right/wrong debates here the whole episode hits hard especially if you have ever tried to cling on to something good when you are in a bad place in life.

>>149009704
Season 1 was the only part I really enjoyed because it's not misery porn. Maybe I just miss The Critic.

I have a love/hate relationship with the art style. Put off watching the show until Season 4 came out just because of it.

>>149022692
Given how the rest of the series spirals off into bullshit the simple story of season 1 works best. A has-been actor runs out of excuses and admits he's an asshole.

>>149017597
not true

I love Will Arnett's voice

>>149009348 (OP)
>WAAAAH I'M RICH BUT LIFE IS SO HARD WAAAAAH

>>149009348 (OP)
What 2010s cartoons are you comparing it to, though?

>>149009348 (OP)
They reversed all his character development and imploded the last season because Harv said he liked the character.

>>149011818
>the d in hollywood is still there
did they even watch the show?
>>149023414
tuca & bertie goes even further with it, including plant and mushroom people

>>149022598

Bojack tries to hit on Charlotte and he only gets a soft no. She's into it but she has to stay with her husband for the kids.

She totally sees what Bojack is doing as offering her successor the life he never gave her. Of course, Charlotte would never tell Penny this.

>>149025789
delusional

>>149022252
No. He reconnected with an old friend and her daughter, then tried to be too close to the daughter and didn't tell her "no" when she acted interested even though he's in his 50s and she was a teenager. All after beginning to flirt with her mom and consider giving everything up to be a better person and stay with them.

Basically, he almost fucked the girl he was considering become a father figure to. Again.

>>149022233
Actually, Bojack creator met someone who knows Weinstein.
In other words, the man ruined his show over hearsay.

>>149009348 (OP)
Yeah then tell me a 2010s show that is more remembered faggot

>>149009348 (OP)
probably because it’s on a streaming service syndication matters anon

>>149025992
Adventure Time
Regular Show
The Amazing World of Gumball
Steven Universe

>>149025902
what part of it is delusional?

it's obvious that they both see each other as the one that got away but Charlotte is chained.
Unlike Bojack, she committed to something.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lbo2vVxQ0I

>>149025963
MeToo hysteria. Letting the mob speak for him through his writing instead of making something that was truly his. I wonder if he has regrets now that it's all over.

because it's not some quirky show for people to be nostalgic over.

>>149010768
would have been much more realistic for one of Bojack's friends to flip on him and reveal the story to the public but that would have potentially made the rat less likeable than Bojack

the writers really wanted to shit on Bojack so they contrived new journalists we'd never seen before who could tear him down without it being seen as a "betrayal."

>>149009348 (OP)
>Why is it so forgotten
Because it's pretentious tripe.

>>149026759
It would fit for Diane since she's so unstable and sometimes impulsive, like leaking the biography because she was angry at Bojack.

>>149022539
Americans are retarded: The Show.

>>149027708
>anon prefers mind-numbing schlock instead
Well there's plenty of that to go around

despite being a faggot, herb was right that bojack would feel a lot better if he just embraced and accepted the fact that he was a piece of shit, it would have unironically solved all of his problems

It was very memorable to me, although I will agree and say that a lot of it is hard to get through especially if you get bummed out easily.
I liked Princess Carolyn's arc the most. It made me happy :)

>>149009348 (OP)
because, despite the really funny animal jokes and decent comedic writing, they ruined the entire thing by making bojack irredeemable, as well as showing the audience that the writers only wanted to focus on almost salacious sex acts with a legal 17 yo instead of point out that the worst thing he did was force a teenager to take the blame for another teenager's self induced alcohol poisoning

there was literally no reason to show bojack as a drug groomer in the last season other than to just assassinate his character more, defeating the purpose of the show, and what's more it played in to virtue signalling that women can't make decisions on their own. according to bojack writers, women have no agency

>>149027741
That would have been a triple whammy that makes her look like the actively despises Bojack. One betrayal is impulsive, two is acting from hurt, three straight up malicious, even if Bojack deserves it.

>>149029466
Fuck me could Big Mouth be any more shilled by the industry? Does everyone's jewish nephew work on that show?

>>149009355

She was above the age of consent in that state. Get the fuck over it

>>149009348 (OP)
I hate BoJack and everyone that relates to his problems should KYS ASAP.

>>149029466
>no American Dad
this shit sucks

I can't believe people are defending this how. The success of a female supremacist, progressive culture and malevolent show like this is proof that there aren't that many good people left in the world.

>>149025055
it's quite sexy

>>149025730
Tuca & Bertie was a nice evolution of the style. I like that it was cartoonier and more akin to Hanawalt's art. I hope the new show her and Bob-Waksberg are making carries a lot of that same energy

>>149033523
Lol I didn't mean like that, sometimes a voice is just naturally nice to listen to

>>149030831
Diane a shit

>>149019447
I can see where you're coming from. S5 is my least favorite because the painkiller plotline was a pretty contrived way to regress Bojack's character.
To S5's credit, Bojack didn't immediately go back to his ways after Philbert. He wanted to distance himself from the character at first. But because of bad influences like the show's director and the fact that Philbert shared a lot of traits with himself, while still being likeable within the show, Bojack embraced his worst tendencies.
Yeah he showed her some kindness during Season 4, but I think that was only because he realized that arguing with a dementia patient wasn't gonna help any of them. I don't think that moment meant that he forgave her for what she had done to him over the years. His hostility towards her during her funeral makes sense to me.

>>149034991
>FAIRY
>GOD
>PARENTS

>>149036441
yeah but the show wants you to side with her

>>149036966
Which is why it's not that great.
>>149029466
At least that mind numbing schlock knows what's appeal is and is consistent about that.

>>149012408
For good reason, it's not that good.

>>149009704
Yup

>>149010064
Yup again

>>149010716
The Boys was killed by modern writers who had no idea what they were doing. The whole series after S1 is just fanfiction bearing no similarity to the actual story

>>149010754
It wasn't that Bojack wasn't trying to be better, it's that the story dictated that he wasn't ALLOWED to be better, because reasons. He got highgrounded by people who are just as bad if not worse than him and forced into a bad situation through really blatant, hamfisted plot contrivances, and it robbed the narrative of any credibility.

>>149010684
What's the story with Paranatural?

>>149037492
It was a comic that was growing in popularity pretty rapidly and was notable for its lively art and tone that felt kind of like a blend of Earthbound, early Bleach, and FLCL. The author learned that threads about it were becoming popular on /co/, and because he'd only heard of 4chan as an ultra right wing reactionary site he started to put increasingly progressive stuff into his comic, to an absolutely absurd degree. Like to the point that it started to look like what a right winger would satirize as a left winger's content. While completely throwing everything people liked about his comic out the window at the same time because he hated that 4chan liked ANY aspect of it. It was total and utter self-sabotage.

>>149037540
>started to put increasingly progressive stuff into his comic, to an absolutely absurd degree.
>Like to the point that it started to look like what a right winger would satirize as a left winger's content
Notable examples?

>>149037608
He introduced a blind black woman and a muslim woman who were stronger and smarter than any other character in the series, for starters.

Everyone in that show aside from pic related and Todd is a genuine POS. I guess maybe Princess Carolyn and Judah too

>>149011818
I still don't get it.

>>149037540
He didn't protect his dream.

>>149037716
WOOF WOOF

>>149037716
Todd is one of the biggest pieces of shit.

>>149039670
Yes, And... ?

>>149009348 (OP)
it insists upon itself

>>149011818
This is why. Normal words but a horse guy completely guts bojack that everyone who praised it is just silently embarrassed they ever mentioned it. The perfect joke.

>>149036564
>Yeah he showed her some kindness during Season 4, but I think that was only because he realized that arguing with a dementia patient wasn't gonna help any of them. I don't think that moment meant that he forgave her for what she had done to him over the years.
He had absolutely zero problems with screaming at her dementia-riddled ass prior, he was literally waiting for her to have a moment of clarity to lay into her. Remember the speech he gave to Hollyhock about how he was going to wait for the moment she recognized him, and then tell her to go fuck herself?
Given how utterly pissed off at her he was at the moment, he had every reason to do as he had planned. But he didn't. He could have been honest with her, tell her she was in a nursing home, and most likely would be there for the rest of her life. But he didn't. He could have made up some simple lie and then leave. But he didn't. He actually sat down and put together the happiest sounding lie he could think of. He had absolutely no reason to do that if he was just trying to avoid arguing with a dementia patient.
>His hostility towards her during her funeral makes sense to me.
Yeah, but that's S5 post-retcon, so of course it will fit the retcon.

>>149040215
I don't get it.

>>149011818
The amount of seethe this generated is unbelievable.

>>149009348 (OP)
>BJ's chest hair
Hnnnnnghh

>>149009348 (OP)
>>149009704
It fizzled out after the first season or so. They did focus too much on the misery porn and not enough on the funny comedy of talking animal people, which had so much potential.

Seems like there were a lot characters in that time who fit this profile of
>Miserable RICH guy going through bad things, but he's RICH and FAMOUS so he's not a LOSER and you feel you can root for him.
The rich and famous part prevents a total wash out and crash of the character, but the misery and depression over relationships or drugs makes him relatable to normies.

>>149011055
>>149010624
Who is the creepy rich sex pest guy who liked it?

>>149009348 (OP)
When it comes to stories such as this there are only two outcomes that make sense and are satisfying.
1. The character gets his shit together and turns their life around or it implies that they’re going to
2. They die, whether it’s suicide, overdose, disease, getting killed. It doesn’t matter, as long as they kick the bucket.

>>149041561
Volodymyr Zelenskyy

>>149009355
Show jumped the shark here. I've never felt so much second hand embarrassment here.

>>149037540
Really doesn't help the cast basically quadrupled in one chapter. Character bloat is the biggest killer of blooming stories.

>>149009348 (OP)
Tuca and Bertie was better

>>149040764
Family Guy fans are a special kind of retarded.
After years of being laughed at on /co/ as being fans of the bottom of the barrel in cartoons, they saw the comment about Bojack and think it's some kinda dig. They've been spamming it ever since, thinking that for once they weren't the punchline of a joke. Sadly, the joke is still on them, because they still watch Family Guy.

>>149043351
>This nigga think it's Family Guy fans, and not just randos who do it purely because it makes other randos, like him, seethe
lol lmao

>>149009348 (OP)
I disagree with the premise. Can you give a decently sized list of hit shows remembered better than Bojack from the 2010s?

>>149043436
>b-b-b-b-but I don't actually watch Family Guy!
>I repeat it endlessly, but I don't actually watch it!
Sure ya don't. Next bit of mental acrobatics will be "I actually post it because of how much I hate it!"

>>149043544
Do you think most people who repeat memes have watched the original or even care about the original source material?

>>149043561
Never met anyone who posted MLP shit unless they actually watched MLP. Likewise, never seen anyone post anything from Family Guy without being able to tell you about their favorite Family Guy episode. And you're still trying to make the retarded argument "I keep Family Guy images on my hard drive, and I keep posting about Family Guy, but I don't ACTUALLY watch Family Guy!" What's your next trick, posting ponies while telling us you don't watch MLP?

>>149043561
Doing otherwise would be absolutely retarded, unless you're a 9fag constantly posting shit without understanding the context. Underage b&

>>149043664
nta but the normal words but a horse guy meme is absolutely an exception just because a lot of people really don't like bojack horseman

>>149043664
MLP was massively memed even by non-fans before the crackdown. The reason you don't see it is because it was banned, coupled with the fucking turbo cringe association the fandom got.
>Likewise, never seen anyone post anything from Family Guy without being able to tell you about their favorite Family Guy episode.
You seriously think that everyone who's ever posted the fucking "Okay/Not okay skin color" template are Family Guy viewers?

>>149043685
Yes because I'm sure fucking everyone who posted ISHYGDDT were just massive fans of Seinfeld and just couldn't get enough of it.

>>149043664
Are you one of those people that thinks posting a reaction image means you're a fan of the source material?

>>149042385
For me it was le grandma getting a labotomy

>>149034991
What's the new show called?

>>149043730
The ones posting Seinfeld who are not fans are clearly faggots, same as the people not posting Seinfeld who are not fans.

>>149043702
It's probably not even because people have any particular hate towards Bojack either in most cases.
But if a person doesn't know anything about Bojack, NWBAHG is probably one of the only things they might associate with the show since it's basically posted every single time the show is brought up, even in passing.
So it just becomes a self fulfilling meme of some one mentioning Bojack, and someone posts NWBAHG, and someone not in the loop seeing it once or twice, and it just becoming the only thing they know about the show, so the next time someone posts about Bojack, they chime in with NWBAHG, and the cycle continues.
Especially if people react to it, because then it becomes something that can be used to get a rise out of people, even if you don't particularly care who they are or why they get mad.

>>149041561
Weinstein