Are omega level mutants overrated?

>>149022494 (OP)
X-Men is a clusterfuck.

Hugely so.

When their not in an X-book, their hype feels largely unwarranted, yes.

>>149022494 (OP)

>>149022494 (OP)
Yeah they are in the grand scheme especially before Hickman. Omega level is a meme and worked better for single villains than it does X-teams. Hard to write around half the cast being ultra power houses. We got to accept that Iceman is basically immortal and freeze the planet but big robots are a threat. Jean is powerful psychic on the planet even without the phoenix but every villain of the month has some method to keep her out of their head. As a result they jump between being super wanked like storm for past few years or being foddered.

>>149022494 (OP)

Someone says "omega level mutant" you already know it is a garbage story.

>>149022494 (OP)
Yes, X-men were for the most part a pretty weak team so their villains were super big deals compared to what the rest of the world dealt with. It's only with popularity that writers/fans tried wank them.

>>149023276
Hickman was especially bad because they just handed the Omega title out to fan favorites and no one is allowed to question it.

>>149023178
B-but Wolverine is THE BEST at what he does!

>>149022494 (OP)
Depends on whether you're reading X-Men or anything that's not X-Men.

>>149022494 (OP)
Kinda considering Cyclops is "just" an alpha and can beam his way though almost anything and Gambit I'm pretty sure is alpha too and is basically a walking fuck you factory with stealth. Omega are usually just more akin to plot devices like the psychics or Storm or shit

>>149022494 (OP)
>>149023093
I love xmen but yeah the whole omega thing is inconsistent.

Even 1 omega is supposed to be worldbreaking but the xmen had/has multiple omega members.
>>149023276
True

>>149023634
Gambit is omega, he just got a brainsurgery by mr sinister to nerf it, because he did not want to be omega.

I am glad they didnt make Cylops omega as well.

>mfw Storm Magneto and like 904 different X-Men all theoratically could destroy earth by blinking with nobody able to stop them
>Chad Sentinels dont care and win anyway in every universe

>>149023727
Kek

>>149022494 (OP)
this omega level wank started with hickman. the x-men have been a pretty low power team through most of their history. even if theoretically on paper some of their powers sound powerful, their feats on average have been pretty fucking low on the power scale.

hickman was also the source of the nonstop doom wank for the past decade.

quite sad that this is marvel's most prized writer.

>>149023771
It's not just xmen or even just marvel, dc made every hero they had op as well. Look at batman he can canon beat everyone without any powers. He started to become broken in the 90s

It wasn't just hickman for the xmen, the powercreep started with the dark phoenix and it slowly accelerated. At around the 90s

Kid omega debuted in 2002, his whole chatacter is about being omega level.

>>149022494 (OP)
I forget: are mutants supposed to be a different species from at this point or are they humans with an extra BS gene?

>>149023727
I'm waiting for a multiverse story where Earth is warned that Galactus is coming, as he's on a planet-eating spree across the nearby cluster. A small purple dot grows bigger and bigger as he approaches. Then as he finally comes into focus it turns out to be a giant Sentinel, built by the Master Mold in space to take care of the mutant problem on all planets, by eradicating all life. Since there's nothing to reason with Reed can't get him to leave them alone and the planet dies.

>>149024116
Both. They are more evolved humans and a different species, but they are basically humans +extra genes.

Biologically irl they'd be the same species. Same way albinos are the same species.

It depends on who you ask magneto would likely claim to be homo superior and not homo sapiens sapiens. Xavier might just claim to be a special human

>>149022494 (OP)
They fundamentally undermine the very concept of the x-men.

>>149024209

Not an omega thing but I'm not fan of every mutant with magic being sorcerer supreme tier. Wanda's ass could barely control her power for most of her existence is one. Magik had no training and couldn't stop her magic from corrupting things but she is SS of limbo now because the title sounds cool. Storm is probably the worse because she is magician purely off heredity and still gets wanked as high tier. Magik and Storm don't even focus on magic full time, it's just for writers to add to their accolades.

>>149024285
Yeah it varies a lot not just by writers but even by characters

>>149023178
>says he's trying to get Spider-Man to ease up and listen
>while taking swipes at Spider-Man with his knife hands
He's a bit of a dumbass and a known hothead, but Jesus Christ.

>>149024363
It's always worth remembering that he has brain damage. When he states an opinion, it's the opinion of a person with brain damage. When he tries to state an argument, it's the argument of a person with brain damage. When he has an outburst, it's the outburst of a person with brain damage. Wolverine has brain damage and we must always remember it.

Take this for example. His teammate Rachel is trying to kill the evil and near-unkillable Selene. To stop Rachel from killing Selene, Wolverine stabs Rachel and leaves her for dead. At the time Rachel was channeling the Phoenix Force, so you'd be forgiven for thinking that Wolverine did this to stop the Phoenix. But when his other teammates on the X-Men quite naturally ask what the hell was going through his head that made him kill a fellow X-Man, he explains that he killed Rachel to stop her from becoming a killer, because X-Men don't kill.

Wolverine has brain damage.

>>149024300
Wanda shouldn't even be a mutant. Fuck that stupid "no you see I have a gene that just makes me really magical" bullshit.

>>149024583
She's not a mutant.

>>149023276
>>149022494 (OP)
Omega level just means that they can kill a lot of normies real fast, I suppose.

>>149024116
It's hard to define what a species even is in capeshit, as pretty much anything sentient seems to be able to have fertile offspring with anything else sentient. Including robots.

>>149024209
If we're going to use the phrase "in real life" then it must be that you can't have two of one species birth a being from another species and the reverse. Marvel's comic science says you can have 2 non mutant humans make a mutant and 2 mutants make a normal human, like Graydon Creed. Then there's whatever happens with mixing mutants and normals and how you can have siblings where one is and one isn't, like the Braddocks. This is, of course, talking about a how gene in your DNA somehow makes you a weather machine or a laser gun or let's you clone yourself.
Marvel should have nailed this down years ago.

When do mutants/X-men show up in non X-office books?

>>149024116
Biologically, humans with an extra BS gene. Sociologically, most of them pretend to be a different species just cause they're so thoroughly dissatisfied with their lot in life that they'd rather be as separated from the normies as they can be. Sadly, they're still ultimately humans. Ironically, probably more human than guys like Spider-Man, Hulk, the Fantastic Four or other mutates they treat with major contempt for being "too human".

Economically, they're non-human for tax purposes on their toy sales.

I wonder why they even bothered with the Omega mutant thing to powercreep the X-Men. It certainly doesnt achieve anything in regards to making X-Men look impressive. Nova Dick Rider kicked Magnetos ass with little issue just by going "nice powers pedophile check out my right hook".

>>149024733
>tax purposes
Elaborate

>>149022494 (OP)
I mean, kitty should count as Omega level since no one can touch her and she can touch anything, I remember not even charles could mind control her because she just phased his brainwaves or whatever bullshit, and being immune to telepathy is OP as fuck.

>>149024830

> Plaintiff Toy Biz, Inc. (“Toy Biz”) brings this action to challenge the tariff classification by the United States Customs Service (“Customs” or “Defendant”) of various items imported from China and entered at the ports of Seattle and Los Angeles in 1994. The items are action figures from various Marvel Comics series, including the “X-Men,” “Spider-Man,” and the “Fantastic Four,” and an additional item called “Jumpsie,” which is not an action figure. The items are packaged in boxes or blister packs attached to colorful cardboard backing covered with printed illustrations and writing. The packaging of a number of items includes small accessories, such as weapons and other equipment. Customs classified the items as “Dolls representing only human beings and parts and accessories thereof: Dolls whether or not dressed: Other: Not over 33 cm in height,” under subheading 9502.10.40 of the HTSUS (1994), dutiable at 12% ad valorem. Toy Biz contends that the action figures at issue are properly classifiable as “Toys representing animals or other non-human creatures (for example, robots and monsters) and parts and accessories thereof: Other,” under subheading 9503.49.00, HTSUS (1994), dutiable at 6.8% ad valorem. Toy Biz further contends that “Jumpsie” should be classified as a “toy set,” under HTSUS (1994) subheading 9503.70.80, dutiable at 6.8% ad valorem.
>https://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/cit/96-10/96-10-2001-01-26.html

TL;DR There's lower tarrifs on "toys" than "dolls", and Toy Biz successfully argued that the action figures for the X-men/Fantastic Four/Spider-Man fall under the general toy categorization, aka are action figures depicting non-humans. Ergo, the X-men are very technically legally considered "not human" for tax purposes.

>>149024687
Yeah mutant and marvel science isn't really exact so to say.

>>149024687
And the reason for that is that it makes zero sense that randomly a human gets such superpowers that can destroy the earth.

The comics say that celestials experiented on humans long ago, but that still wouldn't explain it.

So the writers know that it's science fiction with a strong fiction part that's why they keep it vague.

Stormwank was a weird thing, especially with Ewing. Ewing has claimed many times to not be a feat writer and even has panels where he had Thor mocking it and one with Storm mocking. Regardless he repeatedly wrote "storm does big impressive thing" in his book.

>>149025096
Storm has a lot of loud, insecure fans and he's a white male writing a book about a black female, he would have been raked over the coals at a moment's notice.

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>>149024300
That's not entirely fair. Wanda moved past the "can barely control her power" by the end of the Silver Age, but her hex power and her magic were treated as two separate powers for decades, and her magic wasn't that powerful until she got a power boost in the late 90s. Then Benis turned her into super-OP reality warper who can't control her power, and casuals got their entire knowledge of her from his work. She's stayed various degrees of OP ever since, but has been able to control her power since she came back in the early 2010s (and she's not a mutant now anyway).

Magik was always more powerful in Limbo than on Earth, becoming Sorcerer Supreme of Limbo is more about her having defeated an overthrown the competition there.

With Storm it's literally just her fandom being obsessed with power levels and feats, and writers pandering to that, there's not really any plot- or story- way to defend it, same as how larping as a goddess has turned into writers playing it seriously.

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>>149025162
Is this the same reason Ewing was giving that awful troon mutant ridiculous feats in his pride comic story?

>>149022494 (OP)
Have there been any good x-men comics recently? a few years ago i read some of the hickman stuff with the convoluted future stuff and it was so bad all the x-men were acting like cultists they had no personality

then i read this other x-men comic where Cable was younger and there was this whole hecking wholesome family dynamic going on that was just terrible

>>149022494 (OP)
Well that depends

Legion has altered reality how many times? Franklin Richard full powers are still unknown and he created a pocket galaxy while still a kid

>>149025547
>Have there been any good x-men comics recently?
Recently in the scale of Earth's history, I guess. Not really this century though.

>>149025738
How many people care about either Legion or Franklin, frankly?

>>149022494 (OP)
Marvel doesn't really have any integrity.
They still drive into the sjw/woke mantra and anyone who is dark skinned or female gets to be super powerful.

Powe level shit is cringe and for the Reddit audience

>>149022494 (OP)
All it takes is 1 single powerful individual to fuck up majority of the mutants since majority of the mutants are glass cannons.

>>149027418
Arakko has been really getting its ass blasted.

>>149027418
Which is why the Omega classification doesn't hold a lot of water in the context of the rest of Marvel. A good amount of non-mutant superpowered beings can end all life on Earth very easily and possess some busted ass powers and don't have any specific classifications to denote the extent of their abilities, but even those same superpowered beings can generally don't have to worry about breaking their neck when falling out of bed.

I'd have the Serpent Society beat up Omega level mutants both to prop up my fave snake themed supervillain union and to make X-fans mald. They are owed it the amount of worfing they get in X-books.

"Omega" is what happens when the writer is a moron who ran out of ideas and doesn't know how to make their favorite characters interesting. All they do is "acshually, my fav is now super ultra powerful and will solve all the problems".
That's why Gambit's my favourite. He had "Omega potential" before Omegas were a thing and he chose to get rid of it twice because not just he didn't want to hurt people, but also because he didnt need it. Compare that with other characters whose "fans" can only say of them that they're super powerful.

>>149024583
The original explanation was if she wasn't born on Wundagore on that exact night she would have been a standard energy weilder. She was a mutant who's powers were altered by an elder god at birth to be a cosmic battery.
>>149024300
Originally omega was a designation to imply the mutant could transcend their physical form, realistically besides potential immortality there really wasn't all that much difference between a powerful alpha or an omega, but the dumbing down of everything and feat retards took it's toll clearly... It makes no sense that Storm would be an omega, whereas someone like Meggan isn't.
>>149025307
Wanda had been pulling OP stunts since the 80's under Byrne, and it was Busiek and John's that laid the groundwork for Bendis to do what he did.
>>149025547
>Have there been any good x-men comics recently?
No
>>149028638
Iceman and Jean were the true OG's if you want to get technical. Gambit getting lobotomized to dilute his power was very wtf tier

bump

>>149029803
I thought Rachel was first time the term omega was used. Which makes it funny that she didn't make hickman's list.

>>149029928
IIRC neither did Nate Grey

>>149022494 (OP)
no, its just that writers refuse to come up with characters figuring out ways to thwart them.

dark beast avoided nate grey's telepathic/psionic abilities on the regular, and could navigate through norman osborn's mind fairly easily. or anyone could wear a cerebro helmet

if anyone wanted to kill cyclops, they could just build rose quartz armor

jubilee apparently is omega level just hasn't unlocked her full potential yet

in the time's arrow trilogy, iceman had to turn some androids to absolute zero so they would stop growing and getting stronger from kinetic energy but no comic writer has every sat the fuck down and figured out the actual overpowered thermodynamics that iceman and storm could actually have

>>149025307
>>149024300
Wanda suffers from vague power syndrome. Her powers are just whatever the writer wants them to do, with no limits, because it's all vague bullshit.

>>149030652
That's why she was at her best with probability manipulation rather than chaos magic which still allows for all kinds of bullshit

>>149026605
For an X-character who's never been a mainstay on an X-Men roster Legion is decently popular. Mostly because of Si Spurrier, but still.

>>149027418
>majority of the mutants are glass cannons.
In fairness to mags there, he kept himself walking for another hour with a new window through his torso.

>>149029803
>The original explanation was if she wasn't born on Wundagore on that exact night she would have been a standard energy weilder.
>original explanation
Anon, no. That's from about 1998, it's like the third or fourth attempt to explain and define Wanda's powers, and it's clearly not canon anymore since the reveals that she's not a mutant, and that her magic is hereditary within her real family.

>Wanda had been pulling OP stunts since the 80's under Byrne, and it was Busiek and John's that laid the groundwork for Bendis to do what he did.
There were occasional one-off OP stunts like most heroes end up sometimes punching above their weight. In a physical sense, the Spider-Man vs Firelord fight is a good example, but nerds obsessed with feats and power levels always want to normalize moments like this as a hero's default power level. Being a team book character normally makes writers not go too crazy with one character's power level so every other character gets to do stuff, but Bendis was writing Wanda off the Avengers and turning her into a plot device to break up the old Avengers, and get rid of the gorillion NPC mutants, whether she'd be usable in later stories wasn't a concern to anyone.

>Iceman and Jean were the true OG's if you want to get technical. Gambit getting lobotomized to dilute his power was very wtf tier
IIRC both Dazzler and Jubilee both had writers proclaiming the potential upper limits of their powers were insanely high-tier, too.

>>149030652
>>149030792
In fairness, "she's a witch, her powers are magic" is the most clear and easy to explain that things have ever been for her, Marvel would be fools to change that again out of any misguided nostalgia.

They keep overusing the term so it no longer has any meaning or worth.

Is there a reason why they are building up Storm of all people into a Hyperversal Cosmic Being and is there a reason why they upgraded this random Earth Storm Diety to being vastly above Oblivion, Infinity, Eternity, Death and The Living Tribunal?

>>149031032
Because hack writer

>>149031032
They are Black. Even Aliens and Gods that have nothing to do with White Guilt must pay for what black people went through on Earth.

>>149026605
That's besides the point, but Legion is responsible for creating Age of Apocalypse which was a storyline that people really liked and Franklin has been the focus of a lot of stories in both the Fantastic Four and Marvel universe since the 90ts

>>149024300
>Magik had no training
What? She had loads of training in Limbo.

>>149030093
They’re both from other timelines. The list is 616 only.

>>149031021
It didn't have any to begin with, arguably, since so many non-Omega mutants are still treated as potential planetary threats by both the writers and the X-men's enemies.

I get how you guys feel about omega level mutants but can I just say this is Jubilee. She's very cute. That is all.

>>149024285
Storm certainly doesn't look human in that panel

>>149031032
Hard to say. My hope is this hadad bullshit is way for them to side step the original plan of storm vs oblivion. Like there some trick to him stomping the abstracts. Like Eternal storm is literally just eternity using storm as a meat suit. My guess is the writer will pull some "they have the same power" bullshit for Storm to be able to fight with him.

>>149027446
2EZ

>>149023634
Pretty sure Gambit's omega level. There's a version of him that is, at least. The thing about xmen is they evolve like pokemon. Any mutant could probably be omega level if the story evolves them.

They should define omega level properly. I always thought it just meant super dangerous. Say your power is people within 3 miles of you dies because you can't stop emitting death rays or something. The omega should refer to threat level, not power.

>>149022494 (OP)
Glass camons. They should have at least base spiderman stats and can lift cars and out run bullets

>>149024609
She isn't?

>>149033270
Not anymore.

>>149033270
She's also not related to Magneto.

>>149022494 (OP)
Imagining a youtube host, with a show ranking mutants.

>>149025547
I liked Gambit's mini from a few years back. It wasn't anything crazy impressive but it was just a cute 5 issue thing set in the past with him and a loli Storm doing thief shit and having an antagonist in like issue 4 that was a deep cut that hadn't been seen in comics since like the 80s iirc

>>149031750
I'm glad the bigger tits she got as a vampire have stuck around

>>149031032
Same reason Thanos becomes more infinitely infinite everytime he appears. Esacalation to hide the plot being only there to explore the character.

>>149027446
>>149027418
How does Arakko even have people left, they weren't using the resurrection

>>149034333
I just don't understand how this Aeon guy is supposed to be a big deal. From the looks of it all he can really do is fly and slice things.

>>149034408
He can slice everything including space and time. He cut a hole between venus and mars to get to Arakko. He cut the void out of Luke. The sword is just to make it controlled. Under his armor his body cuts anything and everything. So actually getting pass his armor would unleash the unlimited blade works. Probably need a psychic or magician to get around direct interaction.

>>149034725
So why did they call him Aeon instead of Edge Lord?

>>149034333
Arakko is pretty much like the mutant population, they're perpetually in danger of going extinct until the story says they aren't