No topic, just anything involving Beast Wars

>>149026563 (OP)
I raise you

>>149026998
poor spinosauras, destined to be the memesaur who failed to take t-rexes place

>>149026563 (OP)
You know it's weird that writers that came after this show really seemed to hate the Blackarachnia/Silverbolt romance, even though from pretty much any metric it seems fans liked it and it was pulled off successfully in the show. Personally I liked it a lot and wished they showed up more later as a battle pair, it was such a refreshing thing back when it first aired for me to see a villain-hero pair actually pair up. I'd seen BTAS and Spider-Man TAS where they had hints of it but never sealed the deal in any real way, so it was fun to see it actually play out and just have them in a relationship. That was it. Then Beast Machines happened and less said about that the better, but for what it was at the time, it worked great.

I'm actually kind of thankful the Netflix trilogy fucked up Beast Wars to such a degree that I can't be mad they offscreen killed Silverbolt and gave his scene with BA to Airrazor. At that point it was just a case of "Of course you got that wrong, you got literally everything else wrong and worse to a frankly parody level of degree. It would've been more surprising if you didn't fuck it up and make it worse."

Hope that's not the last time we see that universe, and if we do that godawful version isn't reference. Megs, what did they do to my boy...

>I'M A CHEETAH!

>NO...I'M....CHEETOR!

Did they all happen to have similar sounding names to the animals they eventually got their alt form from? Because thats hell of a coincidence.

Even if you go with the theory that they change their names to suit their new forms..how do explain their faction name (Maximals) sounding to similar to the animal species who's forms they acquired (Mammals)?

Beast Wars Megatron is just the coolest. S1 is the best Transformers design ever created and his voice actor just knocked it out of the park. 10/10 everything.

Trukk not Batty

>>149026563 (OP)
where the fuck can i get decent beast wars transformers toys that are good to fiddle with, everytime i look i end up on toysrus or hasbro and most of its always toddler tier stuff like gobots squads or whatever it was called
closest ive seen is the beasthunters stuff but its doesnt look fun to fiddle with at all

>>149027796
>Did they all happen to have similar sounding names to the animals they eventually got their alt form from? Because thats hell of a coincidence.
We know they changed their names because that's just what all transformers do when they get new forms. Shit half the time they don't even get to choose their new names, Bumblebee became Goldbug because Optimus said so.
>how do explain their faction name (Maximals) sounding to similar to the animal species who's forms they acquired (Mammals)?
Because they used organic forms at some point in their history to save themselves from Energon poisoning, which is why they know exactly what it is and how to counteract it and Rhinox has a detailed diagnosis of what happens if you stay in it for too long, and they're similar to mammals because they're descended from Autobots who took root on earth and used a lot of their terms later on. Hell even "Predacons" were pretty well established in G1, even if they were a much smaller faction.

>>149027874
Most of them didn't even name themselves in this show, they popped out of stasis pods and half the time its like "Oh cool, you're this name now. Hope you don't mind it!"

>>149027866
Go to Ollies, they have the not-leads on sale literally all the time. I've seen more of that rollie pollie guy than anyone else.

>>149027796
I like to imagine they mainly take their names when they get to a new planet, being explorers and all
The Maximal insignia is harder to explain away than the name. Maximal sounds like mammal, but it also just works as a vaguely tech related name. The insignia straight up being a beast is harder.

If Japanese BW received a dub back in the day, would it have been received well?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=24s8H3xUW9M

>>149027796
I agree with your headcanon, but really it's just down to the Kenner team who Hasbro passed BW off too weren't as familiar with the TF traditions

G1s names were kinda more abstract, or based on personality, or just cool sounding, you had SOME who had on the nose names. With BW, it was mostly on the nose names, cause they just sounded cool I guess

In canon though, sadly, they were just named that before Earth anyway, I mean they were "Maximals and Predacons" before that anyway, so I guess in that reality the future TFs just really liked Earth animal theming

>>149027941
>The insignia straight up being a beast is harder.
They're descendants of the Autobots who called earth home and have scanners built in specifically to work with biological animals, it'd be weirder if they didn't have an earth-based name for animal related stuff. Where else would they have gotten that terminology?

>>149027866
You'll have to be willing to spend some money. The Kingdom TF releases were all solid and got premium painted versions to make them more show accurate, under the name "Beast Wars Again". They're from Japan so expect like $70 plus shipping for the two pack so it can get pricy.
Then there's the Masterpiece line, which is costlier and more limited, but the most show accurate toys at the moment.
https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256808377003934.html?spm=a2g0o.productlist.main.2.280251c49HaMDw&algo_pvid=64a1bc96-bc90-43c1-ba40-997f042a80f1&algo_exp_id=64a1bc96-bc90-43c1-ba40-997f042a80f1-1&pdp_ext_f=%7B%22order%22%3A%227%22%2C%22eval%22%3A%221%22%7D&pdp_npi=4%40dis%21USD%2131.48%2121.41%21%21%21224.71%21152.80%21%402103247417500426119133808e7ce1%2112000045733476468%21sea%21US%21839274788%21X&curPageLogUid=DqKLmHhXLBcL&utparam-url=scene%3Asearch%7Cquery_from%3A
But these are a decent starter. they're KOs, but high quality.

>>149027866
Hasbros Pulse
Bigbadtoystore
eBay
Amazon
Target
Walmart

>>149027746
I think one big issue is that they see Blackarachnia as a valuable character, but not Fuzor Silverbolt.

>>149028622
Most male good guy TFs are seen as disposable or interchangeable unfortunately

>>149026998
Its fuckig insane that there never was a repaint of a Grimlock into BW Megatron. Or BW Megatron into Grimlock. It's the sort of shit that I would have wanted to see from old Botcon toys.

>>149028099
>eBay
>Hasbros Pulse
>Amazon
>Target
>Walmart
one out of six is still winning i guess.

>>149027746
>I'd seen BTAS and Spider-Man TAS where they had hints of it but never sealed the deal in any real way, so it was fun to see it actually play out and just have them in a relationship. That was it.

I loved Animated and how they combined Elita 1 with Blackarachnia, but man they went back to the Catwoman Spiderwoman thing and you couldn't help but miss Silverbolt. My headcanon is if Optimus got techno organic he would have become Silverbolt. I wish we got more Animated and more BW in Animated. It seems like not many Transformers media care about BW or integrate characters from it well. I also thought Animated did a really good take on the techno organic stuff from Beast Machines. Also RIP DJW

>>149029016
>Bigbadtoystore
NOW THIS is what im talking about

>>149027796
>>149027874

Optimus Primals name was going to be Blackjack and he was just going to be fake being a Prime or something in an early draft. I know the name Blackjack is right at least.

>>149028011
>they were just named that before Earth anyway, I mean they were "Maximals and Predacons" before that anyway, so I guess in that reality the future TFs just really liked Earth animal theming

Fun fact Fire Convoy was going to be a Maximal at first. But it makes more sense in Japan they were all called Cybertrons and Destrons.

>>149029048
I kinda love third party transformers . They're either really tiny or huge though.

>>149028998
In the formers case I guess it was because BW Grimlock existed as a Dinobot repaint and was canonically supposed to be G1 Grimlock not just a namesake like Buzzsaw etc

>>149029149
I forgot about that. I guess it's just weird to me that BW Grimlock wasn't a trex. He was one of my favourite toys though. I never knew about G1 until it was introduced in the later seasons.

>>149027862
tapedekk not gatorbatty

>>149028998
In a roundabout way, they did in that T-wrecks from Beast Machines has a bio that heavily implies he's Grimlock reformated. Namedrops his old function, and mentions him coming back from the area of space he was in in the G2 comic. If they made him closer to his G2 toy colors it would've been perfect, but Magmatron was already partly a blue theropod
>>149029200
I suspect it's in part because the dinobot mold was similar to Grimlock in that his beast legs become his robot arms, and some slight resemblance in the headsculpt(no visor, but a mouthplate and a slightly similar helmet).
Botcon couldn't really use any official characters until after BW ended. In the main BW line they often avoided repainting the larger figures

>>149029339
Oh what I had no idea it was supposed to be him in Beast Machines. I just got this last year out of nostalgia

>>149029037
>Animated Prime as my favorite Fuzor
Kid me would have eaten that up. I always wish the Fuzors got more attention outside of the two we saw in BW.
>>149029091
Honestly, this goes kinda hard. I'm picturing him in camo protecting animals from Decpticon poachers that want to use them to make monster of the week kaiju or something.

>>149029432
It's not really elaborated on or anything, and he's not really used in any fiction to show it off.
Around this time the toy bios were doing surprisingly deep lore, like the TM2 Prowl bio saying he thinks he's the reincarnation of an Autobot strategist(implied the G1 Prowl), Cybershark's bio talking about him fighting the Seacons from BW2, and Magmatron's bio straight up referring to him as the one from BWNeo, having returned to Cybertron.

>>149029517
He also got a repaint with vaguely similar colors to Smokescreen

>>149027952
I think it holds up well enough. No doubt people would be dissapointed that this is the Beast Wars follow up but on its own, without the brutal mog from the west, I can imagine it gathering a fanbase. Its main issue is that it takes a fair bit for it to become actual beast wars instead of beasts vs jets.

>>149030415
I grew to like him

>>149027619
Is it still a fish eating quadrupled fatfuck?

>>149030866
Yea

>>149026563 (OP)
i think beast wars as an IP is cursed whenever hasbro tries referencing it

>>149026563 (OP)
Been rewatching this show with some friends for the first time in 15 years, and I feel like it only gets better with age. Season 1 is a little hit and miss, but once season 2 hits, shit locks in. It's not a masterpiece or anything, but the show is just so invested in its own drama, characterizations, and comedy that it it's hard not to get swept up in it, as long as you're not dead inside.

It also really shines a light on a lot of things modern animation has fucked up. Like villains, for example. Beast Wars' bad guy game is un-fucking-paralleled—everyone is dripping with personality, and they're all their own distinct flavor of "evil". You've got your unflappable, ruthless leader, your diabolical mad scientist, your loveable idiot, your murderous psychopath(s), and all of them are various levels of disrespectful/treachorous toward eachother so they're often antagonists to themselves as much as they are the heroes. Really, the specific interactions between characters is clearly one of the things the writers gave a fuck about, because everyone has their own unique chemistry with everyone else, and it makes for a show that's fun to watch, no matter what is happening.

Also, holy fuck I miss voice acting. This show's performances are all peak. Every character has a distinct voice and every line is delivered with the sort of profound, sincere sense of melodrama that people can't comprehend in a post-MCU world. Often times, it feels like the writers were trying to copy the tone of 90s Star Trek—there' a particular exchange between Silverbolt and Optimus in season 2 about Blackarachnia, and despite the fact that they're a bunch of transforming robot animal toys in a commercial, Primal manages to deliver the line, "I'll have Cheetor bring in the spider-woman" without a single bit of tongue in his cheek. This show is 1000% unashamed of its own silliness, and it's a huge asset.

Easily one of the most "fun" cartoons I've ever seen. An absolute treasure.

>>149029492
>Fuzors
I love how there was clearly a mandate for the writers to actually use the term "Fuzors" in the show for marketing purposes, so their solution was to treat it like a slur from all the bots with regular beast modes.

>>149032816
>holy fuck I miss voice acting.
Nobody does legitimate character acting anymore, in animation OR live action. People are afraid of writing or playing characters with strong personalities because strong personalities and sincere drama are cringe, especially to the younger audiences who specifically used to eat that kind of shit up.

For as much as people still mindlessly praise it, go back and watch early episodes of Batman: The Animated Series. It comes of as legitimately corny now, but in the early 90s that was a fairly serious tone for TV animation to have.

>>149026563 (OP)
Polar Claw needs some fiction made so we can finally get a new toy.

For me it's Dead End.

>>149026563 (OP)
I want to post my figures, keep the thread alive until i get Home from work.

Also i find very cool that Tarantulas got a lore expansion as agent of unicron, because missinterpreted a insult from Megatron that Made people believe a fan theory

>>149033758
I hate post ironic culture so much

Gen X all thinks they're Daria, problem is they're the most conformist non "alt" generation ever, so even their attempts at rebellion reek of phony

>>149033758
I hate post ironic culture so much

Gen Z all thinks they're Daria, problem is they're the most conformist non "alt" generation ever, so even their attempts at rebellion reek of phony

>>149033768
Polar Claw was in the new and old Beast Wars comics

Unfortunately in the old people only care about Razorbeast and in the new only care about the Mary Sue bat fembot OOc, cause the stories focus mostly on them.

>>149032816
Beast Wars managed to do the same thing B:TAS did in striking the balance between serious drama and campy lightheartedness by committing equally to both. Like you said, the show's so invested in itself that you can't help but get swept up in the energy.
>>149033780
I'll forever love my man Torca. Had his toy when I was a kid, he was my favorite right beside my Transmetal Rhinox.
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>>149032816
There isn't a single forgettable character in the cast except maybe Scorponok which is quite an achievement.

>>149027746
>You know it's weird that writers that came after this show really seemed to hate the Blackarachnia/Silverbolt romance
I mean it's not hard to see why. Putting aside the obvious "It's a heterosexual romance where the bad girl chose the nice guy" which writers today seem to hate or just can't actually seem to write regardless of the Het part, see that godawful new She-Ra show that may have made the worst version of that trope in any medium, the bigger issue is that those same writers would break their brains trying to write a modern day Silverbolt. Modern day Knight in Shining Armor brave guy who nonetheless is fairly flawed and gives into bouts of anger due to struggling to cope his conflicting views thanks to Black Arachnia is a hard line to write in general, and even the show didn't do it perfect. They're not used to a character like this who wholeheartedly believes the stuff he spouts and ISN'T a villain. Seriously, try to find one who talks like him in the last 20 years who isn't a deluded villain character.

Like another post pointed out, it only worked because BW is pretty sincere in their characters. Silverbolt is a good guy through and through, even though he occasionally snaps at his friends and does stuff he regrets, like hitting Rattrap when he got called out. He really does love Blackarachnia and for all her bluster, she does love him. It's not fake and there's no rugpull for drama, that's just not something modern writers can really manage anymore.

>>149028011
>the seats...

>>149034652
>Scorponok
He was a tech genius in one episode and only capable of caveman talk in another. What a weird and inconsistent character. Killing him and Terrorsaur off changed nothing.

Imagine the comic we could've gotten out of this bad boy.

>>149034652
>>149034965
Inferno did Scorponok's role of the mindlessly-loyal yes-bot with far more personality. It was no surprise that Scorp was slated to die without any arguments in Season 2

Terrorsaur seemed to be set up as the Starscream of the Predacons early on, but somewhere along the line, Tarantulus ended up inheriting that role instead. It ultimately came down to him or Waspinator surviving in S2, and we all know who came out of that in one piece (for once).

>>149027825
>and his voice actor just knocked it out of the park.
David Kaye has been my favourite voice actor for over 20 years now, his Megatron is one of the best voices period.

>>149032493
i think its cause Beast Wars was just so damn good to begin with, its such a tough act to follow with redoing it. i don't think you can especially top Dinobot's character arc, it was perfectly executed, anything else is just diminishing returns trying to do the same thing but worse like in War For Cybertron Trilogy.

>>149029037
>My headcanon is if Optimus got techno organic he would have become Silverbolt
What's better is if that happened to Jetstorm. It all comes full circle.

>>149031061
>>149030866
>>149027619
if only you knew how bad things really were

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZsCCGKGSyek

>>149033768
I have a neat little anecdote about Polar Claw.

For reference, Polar Claw had a neat little gimmick where one of his front paws unfolded into a little spring-loaded bat drone guy. I was a kid when I was collecting these toys, and at some point I managed to lose the bat. Since this was half his arm in beast mode, it was a pretty crippling loss to the figure. I somehow got the idea to write to the factory address on the box, explaining that I'd lost it, and asking if they could send me a replacement. So I mail out my very polite hand written letter, and lo and behold, in a few weeks someone actually sent me back the missing piece. I don't think I even got a form letter with it, just the little bat guy in a small box. So that probably means some random mail clerk read this dumb kid's letter and actually had the heart to go out onto the factory floor and snag a part for me.

Kudos to you, mystery employee. You made the world a little bit better for a random child you'd never met.

>>149037159
That's awesome, that world is dead in 2025

Also regarding Skorponok and Polar Claw, since they had drones I considered them like "the Soundwave" of BW as a kid

>>149037159
That is pretty cool, I hadn't thought they'd be able to do that before the internet really went mainstream and you could submit an email.
It probably wasn't the actual factory though, those were overseas. They probably just took it from another boxed figure they had in stock. Still a really cool story at any rate.
As a kid, I tried to write a letter to Kenner to ask them to make a dragon transformer complete with a drawing, and years later I thought TM2 Megatron was an answer to that letter. Even more years later I found the letter,turned out my sister never mailed it and what I thought was writing was just scribbles because I was like 4 or 5 and thought cursive was just making looped letters.

>>149035398
That is a shockingly well made transformer for being a gimmick.

>>149037792
That's because it's built over the Cheetor mold

>>149028011
>In canon though, sadly, they were just named that before Earth anyway, I mean they were "Maximals and Predacons" before that anyway, so I guess in that reality the future TFs just really liked Earth animal theming
it is really weird how before arriving on Earth and taking up beast alt-modes the Maximals and Predacons are really just a bunch of Micro Masters that have an animal naming theme for no real reason

>>149028011
I get that Botcon exclusives are still canon, but it's kinda dumb to take them as such when they're so limited by what molds are available.