Thread 149029712

The American comics industry has been in death throes for a long time now. It's horrible to witness.

>>149029712 (OP)
I've learned to stop worrying and learned how to enjoy comics again instead
Hidden gems are fun to find

Nah. It's deserved it for a long time. I just wish someone would hurry up and put it out of its misery.

>>149029712 (OP)
It sucks but it might be good, manga/anime is huge so breaking the big two flood gates (not destruction nessecary but huge retraction) might allow for a wider publication vriety.

>>149029712 (OP)
Just read old comics and stop paying attention to the modern industry.

>>149029712 (OP)
There's years worth of good comics to read, and great new ones still coming out.
Industry can die, the artform has been alive since Cave Paintings.
Comix 4ever

>>149029815
>and great new ones still coming out.
Lenny...

>>149029712 (OP)
I prayed for this and it happened. I just hope I can witness DC and Marvel officially die and be buried.

>>149029815
>great new ones
No.

>>149029757
this

>>149029730
Any recommendations?

>>149029712 (OP)
calm down drama queen

>>149030610
>>149030323
Worthless contrarian trolling like this should be banned.

There's more to comics than just the big 2 you fucking retards.

Explain how every comic from every publisher in the US, UK, France and Italy is bad.

>>149029712 (OP)
Capeshit maybe but some of the indie publishers like Image have been doing good

>>149033344
Have you tried reading them without publisher dick down your throat?

>>149029712 (OP)
imagine that Vince McMahon is in charge of DC or Marvel. He hires Stonetoss and Shadman, big $ contracts and free reign. That would drive normies wild, would make headlines! Lines and lines of indigned karens and s'jaks buyin the latest funnybooks. Creators and comicshop owners making bank, no more selling blood for groceries or estrogen. Would never happen. Excuse bad english I am from Guatemala

>>149033344
OP is talking about the American industry, retard.

>>149034872
The ideologues have absolutely ruined for everyone else by focusing so much on agenda over storytelling that it's pushed everyone away. Even reading older stuff that isn't as overt is still too much since years of propagandising has made people more sensitive to bullshit.

Gotham central seemed like a cool concept, until issue 7 when it turns into a story about the struggle of a woman, a homosexu𝐚l woman, just trying to make her way in a heteronorm𝘢tive p𝘢tri𝘢rch𝘢l world

>>149031901
Look up old anthology releases, find them on archive sites, and peruse through the works of certain creators who stick out

>>149029712 (OP)
Marvel and DC make no profits from their comics, their business has completely shifted to movies, videogames, and merch.
Despite this, Marvel and DC make up 75% of the market share. Meaning all other publishers are even less than worthless.

But to speak of them:
IDW and Dark Horse don't make original comics, their success is directly tied to the franchises they adapt, they're not really a comics company in the true sense of the word.
Image at the present just copies Marvel and DC and will die along with them if that continues.
Manga cannot be said to be a competitor to comics, because they're not even aware they exist. But they also cannot be an aid to comics, because they do not employ in the west. Nobody working in comics can jump ship to manga.
Diamond which is, atleast until 2020, the only distributor of comics, and they have gone bankrupt, with no companies expressing interest in buying them.

There are no promising new artists or writers currently at any comics company. All the big stars are approaching retirement age and will not have the energy to start a new company if Marvel and DC close their comic departments. Most people working at Marvel and DC don't like comics and see it as a stepping stone to movies/videogames of the company.

>>149029712 (OP)
>mayority of consomers of comics media are white boys and white men
>go on to attack white men 24/7 for the last 15 years and either turning every once cool and competent white male hero into a weakling and idiot to make women and black characters look better then them or straight up just replacing them with women and black characters
>comics not only go into the toilet but white men become anti woke and vote for rightwing parties in bigger numbers then ever before
wow, libtards sure showed us.

>>149035836
It's inevitable that Marvel and DC will close their comics departments, it's just a matter of when.
They do not promote their comics at all, indicating that at a business level, it is not considered important. The company is currently doing well right now, but big companies are volatile and routinely go through periods of upscaling and downscaling. Their comic departments will be victims of this future downscaling.

Currently the vast majority of people who buy comics are hardcore loyal fans, who are not really interested in the comics from any objective standpoint but simply it has become a habit or collection. They've been buying comics for 50 years why should they stop now? There are virtually no new customers. When Marvel and DC die, they will not shift to anything new but rather will leave the market entirely.
However this is not a major loss since the number of these people, despite being the majority of customers, are an insignificantly small market.

>>149035890
Furthermore there is the added challenge of ever advancing technology changing the industry.
Existing comic fans have no interest in digital comics whatsoever. However physical media is dying.
Japan has managed to make the shift to digital but it is still in a precarious position.

Comics have made no successful pushes to digital, infact they have made some pretty embarassing blunders.
Remember the QR code final pages they tried. Blunders like that have made readers even less likely to adopt digital.

AI fixes this

>>149035927
Ventures like Valiant comics are likely what is going to happen when Marvel and DC close.
Image will do this also and more or less already are.
That is to say, they will look to the past, to the 80's and 90's and more or less copy that model.
There will be new companies opened up hoping to capitalize on the void in the market, but what they produce will be boring and derivative. They will all go bankrupt within a year or two.

>>149035984
There is the possibility for independent comics like Scott Pilgrim to see a bit of a boost in this wake, but since there is very little of worth currently in the indie comic scene, readers will quickly run out of things to read and stop paying attention to it.

>>149036012
Also it is worth noting that the vast majority of indie comics do not tackle a mainstream male audience, which is the most important audience. The girls romance market exists and thrives in complete isolation to male targetted comics. And niche underground genres are just that, niche and underground, they cannot sustain publishing on their own without the financial support of more mainstream titles.

>>149036039
It's also worth noting that the manga industry is not doing well purely on its own but instead thrives largely because of the anime industry.

Meaning that comics cannot simply copy manga, either in content or in company structure, without also copying anime... which they cannot do because they lack the capital finance to do that.

>>149035927
It's funny how you post this charts without even paying attention to them. If you do the proper exchange rate, the size of the manga industry is like 4.7 billions. And you expect that they are dwarfing the USA comic industry size and find out that it just 3 times bigger. Even if they publish a lot of things around the world.

>>149036127
If I were to be as optimistic as possible...
When Marvel and DC dies, what remains of the industry will respond appropriately by deliberately sizing down, both in actual company size, but also in terms of culture and attitude. They will no longer be the juggernauts of entertainment but instead will be small tables in the corner of some comic con. Companies and creators will open kickstarters and patreons to stay afloat. And within this smaller sphere, a few talented individuals will produce some nice comics and the industry will gradually rebuild itself from the ground up.

Worst case scenario, the industry just ceases as an art form entirely and we become like whatever other irrelevant country out there that have no comics industry at all and have never produced any nor likely will ever produce any

>>149036155
What point are you even trying to make?

>>149036174
However in order for this tiny remnant of an industry to have any hope of regaining any ground, it needs to change.
The reason comics are dying is because they have not changed. They are producing comics that would have sold well in the 40's-80's but not in the modern era.
More or less ever since action movies became a big thing in the 70's, comics have ceased to be the biggest entertainment source, and videogames have since deplaced even movies. Comics have some heavy lifting to do.

Just making a strong generic guy and putting him in a colourful costume to fight generic bad guys is no longer interesting to anyone compared to the well thought out movies and videogames out there.
For comics to compete they need to start producing some seriously entertaining stories.

>>149036292
As it currently is, the comics industry is not structured to produce good enough comics.

They hire a writer to write a story that fits what they're looking for, and then hire an artist to draw it.
This division of labour is completely incapable of producing anything good enough to capture the attention of readers.

Consider again Scott Pilgrim. It is not a story that a publisher could brainstorm, but only a writer, because it is deeply personal to the writer.
And it is not a story that a hired artist could draw because the art plays an essential role in the story telling, only the writer can do the art.
There is no room for any division of labour here. Any changes in the writers or artists would completely sink the entire comic and it wouldn't sell a single copy.

We live in an era where the demands of entertainment are higher than they've ever been and only the work of a sole individual vision can meet this demand.
Comics must become independent projects, original in their entirety.

>>149036475
We live an era where story simply will not get published if they don't push the same woke, white men bashing agenda anon

>>149035442
>>I started reading comics again.
>Any recommendations?
>>Yeah, comics.
Fucking waste of carbon you are, why even respond if you can't carry on with the conversation?

>>149029756
There are indie publishers since forever, though.

>>149036200
He didn't read your post. He saw KNY and schizoed out.

>>149036292
>>149036475
Something similar in the french-belgian comics sphere is happening with adventure comics which often have a writer and an artist. There is actually very few BDs that are written and drawn by one guy. There's now a bit more.
Nowadays, adventure comics sell very few in comparison to autobiographical graphic novels that are getting popular.
The only very popular recent comic in France and Belgium is "Mortelle Adèle", a comic for kids. The publisher wanted to "franchise" the comic which was out of question for the author. So the author went complety independent.

>>149036623
>Fucking waste of carbon you are, why even respond if you can't carry on with the conversation?
My taste is likely different from yours'
I'm just giving advice on how to find underrated stuff from underrated creators

>>149029712 (OP)
As long as printers exist comics will. Sure if the big 2 and Image go down most comics will be like Sonichu, but hey it's something!

>>149036127
manga thrives on the fact that fans of anime get bored waiting for new seasons

Who cares, literally every part of american comics is jewish.

>>149035400
>by focusing so much on agenda over storytelling that it's pushed everyone away
>What is stuff that never happened for 1000

>>149035868
>go on to attack white men 24/7 for the last 15 years and either turning every once cool and competent white male hero into a weakling and idiot to make women and black characters look better then them or straight up just replacing them with women and black characters

>What is stuff that never happened

>>149037900
>>What is stuff that never happened for 1000
alright so here's an actual industry vet complaining about it
https://fandompulse.substack.com/p/john-romita-jr-blasts-the-modern

I know you want acknowledge this in any real way

>>149037987
He can complain all he wants about issues that don't exist, it's not a good look but he can. He says "don't preach" but who is he talking there? There is no preaching

>>149038079
stop baiting

>>149038079
yeah, i figured. thanks for proving the point.

>>149038112
Start explaining, where's the preaching? You're not even including the text in that page

>>149038135
You wanted me too respond, that's why you responded to me and included the link. Yet you give me shit for responding?

>>149037945
this isn't r*ddit.
gaslighting doesn't work here

>>149038283
You sure? Because I see lies spread all the time on this website, there are several lies in this thread alone.

>>149038112
powerful

>>149037774
I care, dumb bitch.

>>149029712 (OP)
im only reading absolute abnd ultimate everything else is old busted and gay

>>149036475
I'm looking for more personal comics these days. I really liked Scott Pilgrim. I don't even enjoy buying floppy comics because they take up so much space, I fear damaging them, I don't like going to the comic store every month and then hoping they aren't sold out of the issue I want, and I don't like buying back issues.

I really like memoir comics these days because they feel the complete opposite of Marvel and DC. They are very personal stories about the artists/writer's life that only they can tell. They aren't something that can be decided in a board room to sell more Funkos. I'd rather see Julia Wertz's adventures in New York City than Spiderman's adventures. Juia Wertz actually explores places in NYC like abandoned places, bars, theaters, and comic stores. Julia's alcoholism is a major theme of the books. And I admire she admits how flawed she is as a person.

its been dying since the comic code railroaded comic companies into capeshit

>>149033344
>Explain how every comic from every publisher in the US, UK, France and Italy is bad
Because they do the exact same derivative shit as Amerisharts but retards like you give them a pass for some reason
>overrated fart huffing garbage (corto maltese)
>strip mining ancient IPs (Aesterix, heavy metal)
>publishing straight up pedo shit (Bastien Vives)
They also continue the current year trend of bending the knee to brownoids lest they be murdered like pic related

Remember who is in second place behind Manga.

I've been reading a lot of old comics I never got into back in the day (80s Legion and Teen Titans stuff) when they were now. I both regret not reading them and wish comics would go back to being like they were then

>>149029712 (OP)
100% deserved.

nothing will ever beat reading this at 1am 5 beers in with clubbed to death playing over my speakers while it thunderstorms outside.

>>149040878
Yeah, that's crap for kids.
Doesn't count since they can sell literally anything.

>>149041359
>they can sell literally anything.
>Marfeces and Dumpster Comics can't even sell their comics to this demographic
What an amazing argument

>>149041741
They can, but they won't, because they're retards.

>>149041093
BASEDBASEDBASEDBASEDBAASEDB

>>149029712 (OP)
>death throes
>long time
Something in its death throes doesn't usually last a long time.

>>149038283
>oh yeah? W-we-well shut up trans person!

Wow what an amazing retort, did you come up with that all by yourself or did you get Grok do it for you?

>>149042343
They're just being propped up by the movies. If it weren't for them, they would have gone bankrupt decades ago

>>149042343
And yet...

>>149029712 (OP)
This is funny how every american comic which I read was not about the super heroes. And they are capable of writing good stuff with a right authors. I font know anything about how does it work, but mostly this is all snout the shitty producers or some other retards at charge who are used to have a bad and small pool of writers.

>>149036292
Wow these guys have huge cocks.

>>149029712 (OP)
S


Game Over
/co/cksuckers
It's over
CH/a/DS win again
>>149042811
ur lost

>>149029712 (OP)
>comics industry
Ironically, I think right now might be the best time ever to be a comics enjoyer. It's never been as easy to track down comics to read for free. The library of decades of publishing history has probably never been as easily accessible as it is right now. Between various wikis and publisher sites and social media, finding comics published in a specific genre or as part of a specific person's bibliography has never been so simple. And even if you only want to look at what's current and being published in the US of A, well, a greater variety (in terms of genre, themes, tone, art style, etc.) of stories are being told in comic book format than I think has been the case for at least the past two decades.

If all you're looking at is only capeshit and specifically only capeshit published by DC and/or Marvel, shit might not look so great. But as a comic book reader things are looking pretty alright to me.

>>149043450
American non-capes today aren't any better.

>>149029712 (OP)
it's more like a grotesquely deformed man that has been alive for a long time and doesn't seem to be getting worse. It shouldn't be like this but I don't see it dying.

>>149043421
Keep hanging around /co/, seething bitch.

>>149035984
I really liked their 2012 relaunch stuff, still think it’s a shame how things played out

>>149041093
Yeah, that's good stuff.

love how delusional or dishonest people are when defending their failing corporation that hates them