I’ve been rewatching Gravity Falls since the last time I saw it was years ago. All that time I still held it in pretty high regard so I figured it was worth watching again to see if it still holds up.

I think it holds up exceptionally well, maybe one of the last good western cartoons. I forgot just how much effort was put into this show and the ARGs. Not what he seems is probably the series peak, though on the whole I think I enjoyed season 1 more.

Also this show ended almost 10 years ago. Fuck me.

Anyways discuss how much you love/hate the show or if you think Hirsch will cave for extra pennies and make a continuation. Probably should’ve included some rage bait.

>>149065465 (OP)
Twas alright

>>149065465 (OP)
I really don't get the love for this show, the mysteries and plots were extremely shallow, same as the characters.
I don't even think it's like, bad or something, just massively overrated, it's like okay at best.

>>149065465 (OP)
I haven't rewatched in years, except I revisited Not What He Seems at one point and it's worse than I remembered. I think a lot of the show's charm back in the day came from theorizing about the show and admittedly when one of those theories Stan's twin being the author, turned out to be true it was amazing. Now I imagine that bingewatching the show, it won't be as good as I remembered. But even on top of that, I think the ending was retarded, specifically Stanley's memory getting erased and coming back the same episode, what a load bullshit

>>149065465 (OP)
I always thought this show was mid. Certainly not amazing, I was surprised how mid it was considering it's talked about so much

>>149065465 (OP)
Gravity Falls is a great show but I don't really know if I want a continuation since we've already solved all the mysteries (which were always my favorite part). Anyways, one of my big criticisms with the show is that I kinda dislike Weirdmageddon? Bill was such an intruiging character and having his endgame just be "big apocalypse, everything on fire" is so disappointing. I feel like him being all about "weirdness" didn't really come across in his first two (and really only) appearances, he was more about the mysteries of the town

>>149065953
The mystery regarding Stan and the journals and all was definitely not as big-brained as many made it out to be, but Gravity Falls's bread & butter was its characters. THAT'S what makes it stand apart from a lot of cartoons that tried riding its coattails afterward. Alex Hirsch understood the importance of having characters the audience could care about in order for the major plot beats to have their intended impact. He also was able to naturally pull from his experiences growing up with a twin as well as the conflicting feelings that come with "growing out of one's childhood," particularly during the summer. It captures that awkward stage of "tweenhood" really well. That's what also helps give the show an extra edge that more recent Disney Channel cartoons tend to lack since they skew younger.

>>149065465 (OP)
Overrated stuff

>>149065465 (OP)
Hirsch will defo cave. It's been 10 years and he has nothing new to show for himself, only side roles on other people's projects. A guy who was once "one of the youngest TV showrunners ever" just turned 40, so if nothing changes soon with his original pitches, I can see him falling back even deeper on his one success.

>>149065465 (OP)
It's a show that was tailor-made for the people who like Kung Fu Panda 2

>>149065973
I think one of the problems with NWHS upon revisiting is that it feels way shorter than it needed to be. Honestly I'd say that's one of the bigger faults with the show as a whole is that it feels a little too short in terms of episode length.

it was by far the biggest mystery in the series and I think regulating it to a standard 22 minute episode was a mistake, 2 of main characters (Bill & Wendy, who is missing from a lot more of the episodes in retrospect) are outright missing from the plot which is is pretty baffling to me. It gets even weirder since an early poster for the episode showed that it would've involved more characters.

as for the ending, I remember finding that to be a cop-out even as a kid, I understand its a kids show and all that but it felt a little off given that the show established that consequences were a real thing for the characters

>>149066490
Yeah I have no idea where they would go, and all the ideas I have in my head of where it could all have glaring issues.

When it comes to Bill I somewhat agree. His appearance in Season 1 wasn't even really antagonistic since he was played off more as a mercenary for hire, however given all the triangle symbolism and the zodiac it was also pretty obvious they always had grander plans for him. But again his first appearance makes no sense now because I just can't see Bill being defeated by the Pines given the things he pulled in the past/future. I still liked the finale though.

>>149066921
Bingo. Now that I'm rewatching the show without delving into the cryptology stuff this is what carries it among other things. Its mysteries could only take it so far.

>>149067301
I'm not really ready for that day. There are far too many ways it could be screwed up, and there's certainly no possibility Hirsch could meet the hype for the original series.

This show is never coming back. Have fun waiting for a comeback that will never happen.

>>149067562
I certainly don't want one, that's for sure. not everything needs to be continued. It was a miracle that the show even ended when it did.

>>149067562
It's definitely happening someday, be it a miniseries, hour-long special, or a whole longform sequel series. I reeeeally didn't want Gumball, Regular Show, or Phineas and Ferb to be brought back since I felt each one had a solid run and ended on a good note [give or take a finale movie], but look at us now. Endless revivals of cartoons just for easy nostalgiabucks.

Alex Hirsch was proud to keep GF over back then, but it's been almost 10 years now. The response to Book of Bill is definitely gonna aid in getting him to change his views on revisiting these characters.

>>149067717
I said I don't want another one but I should've mentioned I WOULD take one if done well, but again I doubt it would be good.

The constant "lets do this again!" schtick with media nowadays makes the bile rise in my throat ever time I see it. But I suppose when everything new is shite there isn't much you can do.

Is humanity just creatively dead?

>Kids, you knuckleheads were nothin' but a nuisance and I'm glad to be rid of ya
>(Mabel and Dipper hug him) We'll miss you too, Grunkle Stan

Call me heartless, but I didn't feel anything when the twins said goodbye to Stan in the last episode

>>149068188
Well it wasn't like it was going to be the last time they would see him

>>149067784
>Is humanity just creatively dead?
Look at the response to these shameless revivals and you'll know why they're what Hollywood resorts to.

>>149068751
>Iyanu
is anyone even watching that

>>149065465 (OP)
I mean its good, but I think people exaggerate how well written it is. Its funny and the story is mostly competent (until the end) but the story isn’t as dark as people say, and the characters are rather simple. It has a good art style and character designs, but I rarely find myself going back to watch it. Just feels like a show that we all joined in with collective autism and that made up most of the experience. As its own thing it’s just fine.

>>149068772
It's not LIFE-CHANGING or anything, but it's a solid, well-made cartoon. The world feels lived-in and the character dynamics are well-established. There's plenty to keep you invested or entertained, so it rarely disappoints.

>>149067784
>Is humanity just creatively dead?
This is a lot bigger than any one human. It took decades, but now media companies have been consolidated to about 5 big names that all run their own streaming services.

All creative decisions are being made in boardrooms.

Any time it looks like a new company might gain relevance, it gets acquired.

>>149068807
The glowup is insane

>>149068772
Yeah I do miss when the whole "what's really going on here?" thing back when the show was still running. I never saw it as "dark" as much as I did more "mature" going back I'm surprised how Disney let Hirsch get away with some of the jokes.

>>149069292
The art design in the show is exceptional and the art book getting cancelled is a damn shame. If there's anything I would like to still come out of the show its that.

Also didn't learn this until yesterday but apparently Neil Cicierega's sister worked on the show? Small world.

>>149069843
Neil actually wrote a bunch of songs for GF that all went unused like an opening and a song for Bill. The only one of his songs that made it in is Goat and a Pig

>>149070011
Kind of explains why some of the songs from the show don't leave my head.

>>149066012
It's just too kiddy in hindsight. Like this board will get super butthurt about them but Adventure Time, Regular Show, Gumball, hell even Steven Universe felt like they had a bit more edge to them that could appeal to adults watching them. In comparison GF is very simple, which in a sense is better since it doesn't get bogged down by pretentious shit like a few of the mentioned shows did, but that also means it doesn't have as many high highs. Also there's too much Joss Whedon-esque quippy dialogue in it, didn't feel sincere.

That said I still want Wendy to sit on my face

>>149070089
Well, those are probably made by Brad Breeck. As far as I'm aware, Goat and a Pig is the only song that made it in. You should still check out his Bill villain song though
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vq5sZPPF9ao

>>149070137
>didn't feel sincere.
Maybe I'm just ignorant but I didn't ever really feel it was insincere, some of it could be a little cringe though.

>It's just too kiddy in hindsight.
I certainly have noticed how pretty much every episode has like a moral lesson at the end, but then again it kind of is a kids show. I suppose the only way it could've been rectified is having it be more of a teen target demographic but back in 2012 that would've never worked.

The other thing about that is that the show just wouldn't be as funny, to me a lot of the humor comes from the way of getting around the censors. Stan saying "What the h?" instead of "What the hell?" is more funny. That joke comes from a place of limitations create art I think, and not everyone finds that kind of humor as funny as I do. I just can't see the show working as well if it was meant for an older audience.

Maybe now a more mature take/sequel could be done because things like invincible have proven their popularity and the audience that watched gravity falls (me) have grown up. But again I can't see Hirsch sticking the landing.

Like everything else in life, it wouldn't beat your imagination.

>That said I still want Wendy to sit on my face
Kinda surprised it took this long for someone to start thirst posting.

Also semi-related but I was taken aback at just how little of a role Wendy actually plays in the story. For a main character she sure doesn't have much in the way of it. Its why episodes like the bunker one feel off since Wendy actually has something of a personality beyond being an object of obsession for dipper. Also I forgot how many of the episode's plots are influenced by Dipper's crush. I think Hirsch did later say he was disappointed with how underutilized certain characters were in the end. Wendy deserved more.

>>149070396
I kinda like it, I think it could've worked in place of the intro sequence but it doesn't have the shock factor that weirdmageddons intro does.

I still miss /gfg/ bros

>>149065465 (OP)
Well, it goes without saying they should of had three seasons to give the final a little extra breathing room and to give us more time to hang out with Ford. I love this show so much. It's perfect. I kind of ruined my experience with the show because I watched the season 1 finale first, because I just thought it was a dumb kids show, oh how wrong I was. I really don't think Hirsch has another good show in him maybe if Disney would allow him to do the spin off about the stan twins going on adventures but that show pitch doesn't have child protaganists. Disney is dumb. Imagine if he shoehorned in a child in the dynamic just to appease Disney, that would be so awkward. Maybe suss has a kid with his chubable and lovable girlfriend and now wife. But that would involve a time skip and they are already pretty old. Suss would have to adopt or something and then send his kid off to hang out with his old boss during his summer vacation. OOoo that could actually work. Please steal this idea!

>>149071008
I was desuarchive surfing the other day, checking out threads from when season 2 came out. So nostalgic

Pick one

>>149071222
None of they look like toddlers

>>149071211
I wish the old images weren't mostly dead in desuarchive

>>149071222
I used to be a Pacificafag but Mabel has grown on me over the years

>>149071314
Yeah. Luckily a lot of them are archived on the booru

>>149071081
>I love this show so much.
Yes!

>It's perfect.
No.

>>149071008
Shame I couldn't have seen it then. Also how tf do I find archives of the threads from around then?

>>149071509
Search subject "Gravity Falls General" on desuarchive

>>149071597
thamks

Gideon is a shit character

>>149071660
Why? He's funny

>>149071660
He's certainly underutilized. he has like what? 3 episodes where he's the main antagonist. I always remember him being a bigger threat than he was.

I think the show could've used a third season, even though Hirsch had already clocked out mentally by the end of 1.

>>149071781
>I CAN BUY AND SELL YOU OLD MAN!

>>149065465 (OP)
The most overrated cartoon ever created

>>149071842
That's, like, your opinion man

>>149072063
If only the characters were as appealing to look at in the show as they are in fanart

>>149072236
I dunno, I don't really get the hatred for the whole "calarts bean mouth" thing. Overdone? yeah, but other than that I don't get it.

>>149071222

I want them making out and then I want Dipper to fuck both of them but I want Dipper to fuck Mabel harder.

>>149073410
Mabel is so sexy

>>149071842
But enough about Adventure Time

>>149075019
Cope

>>149071222
I hope your head is smashed on a rock.

>>149075727
Cope

>>149075999
I don't have to, you'll be dead.

>>149071211
The Not What He Seems Liveposting was PEAK.

>>149065465 (OP)
I pretty much like the series but yeah i have to agree that the series lowkey fumbled not having ford having much more screen time with the other characters we got robbed of ford interacting with characters like soos and Wendy (minus any material from journal 3 or the book of bill).

Like while i don't think the ending was at all bad, but it really needed to give us breathing time.

Speaking of the book of bill, it was pretty cool but damn i have to admit it did lowkey kill my interest in the ford & bill dynamic (but thats more of the fanbase reaction to said dynamic than the writing choices to be fair)

I wouldn't mind a spinoff with the stan twins but i assume its gonna be a bit hard trying to get good ol jk simmons to voice ford again since i assume to be busy with other projects or simply that hes getting old ya know.

>>149077134
Can you believe that Not What He Seems aired the same week as The Return/Jailbreak? Craziest week in cartoon history fr

>>149065465 (OP)
It’s good. I never got wrapped up in the ARG shit, and tend to prefer the monster of the week episodes over the continued plot, so I don’t get nearly as mad about it as some anons. It’s a perfectly enjoyable show and holds up on multiple rewatches.

>>149077134
We'll never see these levels of hype ever again

>>149078822
well duh we'll never see a non-episodic cartoon with a story or lore ever again

>>149078934
Well even if we get them, they won't have the shitty release schedules and hiatuses and stuff. It just won't be the same

>>149078822
People got caught up in the hype which was fun but like anyone paying attention was easily able to sus out the Ford twist. Alex had to invent a fake leak just to try and throw people off because the twin brother twist was the most widely accepted theory of the author.

I'm still hoping for an animated movie or something

>>149078983
The way you talk makes it sound like you weren't actually there and rely on youtube videos to tell you how things were back then

>>149079012
Thats okay if it was a shock to you as you were likely the target audience for the show(children) at the time.
The only posts on /co/ that disagreed with the twin brother theory were those who thought it was too obvious and a clear red herring.

>>149078983
this is weird to mention in retrospect but I feel like nobody really bought the McGucket "leak" at the time

>>149079043
Really? I saw a lot of people who thought it was real back in the day. You can also see them if you check out old threads from early in season 2

>>149079048
I'll take a look then. It wasn't taken seriously when I was watching the show during season 2

>>149079059
I think its easy to fall into the trap of seeing the fandom as a monolith, even back then. There were people who believed it and people who didn't, both when it comes to the mcgucket hoax and the stanley theory

80% of Not What He Seems is just unfunny jokes. People only choose to remember the remaining 20% of the episode.

>>149079115
I find the jokes funny though

>>149079153
Regardless if they are or not, there certainly didn't need to be so many

>>149074291
Aw they’re gonna make a snadger

>>149065465 (OP)
If God truly exists, then this overrated show will never make a comeback. So far, he hasn't disappointed me.

bump

>>149068764
I don't even know what that is

>>149079230
Seethe

Why the hell do people want this to come back? Didn't you have enough with those 40 episodes and 70 shorts?

>>149081096
In my eyes there are only 2 things I want, one of which is feasible and the other not.
1. I want the art book that got cancelled to get released

2. I want a third season to make it a round 60 main episodes but the problem is that I don't want a "years later" season or "the next summer" season. In my eyes the season 2 mid season finale would've been the actual season finale with season 3 being used to flesh out other characters like Stan's brother or Bill.

Like I said not feasible.

>>149081135
>I want a third season
It's never happening. Deal with it

>>149065973
They should have either:
> Implied that his memory is/could return subtly - such as instinctively falling back into a former habit or tick
> Let his memory come back as they did, but subtly hint at the last moment that Bill also came back - because obviously if the memory wipe failed then Bill probably survived.

>>149081150
I literally just said the third season I wanted was not feasible.

therefore wanting it is futile.

>>149081218
>Let his memory come back as they did, but subtly hint at the last moment that Bill also came back - because obviously if the memory wipe failed then Bill probably survived.
They kind of already implied that. Supposedly based on Book of Bill (haven't read it) he survives but exists in some outside type of plane of existence and the book ends with his corpse in GF glowing blue.

I really, really, don't want to see Bill return since it would make weirdmaggadon a complete waste of time. At a certain point it just becomes Pines family Torture Porn. I think they've suffered enough.

>>149065465 (OP)
same. it was the only cartoon that didn't disappoint when i rewatched it a few years ago. was my favorite as a kid too. also sex with wendy.

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