I never understood why The Black Cauldron was consigned to the dustbins of history. Until I heard this annoying rat opens its stupid mouth.

>>149110510 (OP)
I thought it was because Princess Eilonwy was too sexy

Even ignoring the troubled production history and Katzenberg losing his shit and trying to make unauthorized cuts in the 11th hour - it's just not a very good movie overall.

>>149110510 (OP)
filtered

What would you have done to make the movie better?

>>149110710
More sexy Princess Eilonwy

>>149110666
Retard

>>149110710
Make to closer to the books.

>>149110714
And making her more sexy involves aging her up, right?

...Right?

>>149110510 (OP)
It happens sometimes, it came out and flopped when Disney was desperate for a win, so most anyone knows about the movie is that it flopped
its like ET on Atari, it was bad, but nowhere near "worst game ever" it was just the straw that broke the camels back and was the last major release before the video game crash, so its mainly remembered for causing it

>>149110795
>right?
>...Right?
No.

>>149110795
Make *it* closer to the books, I meant to type. Sorry, fat fingers.

>>149110795
>And making her more sexy involves aging her up, right?
Oh, up? Uh, yeah we'll look into that too, sure.

>>149110510 (OP)
> munchies and crunchies in here somewhere…

>>149110857
Let's say the movie has a smoother production and turns out better. What changes?

>>149110510 (OP)
The design itself is offputting. I can't stop seeing Gepetto.

>>149111058
>I can't stop seeing Gepetto.
oh fuck I can't unsee it now

>>149111058
He's cute

>>149110510 (OP)
Counterpoint

>>149111385
footfags are the fucking worst

I don't know if any of you play, but fans of Lorcana got the news that the game was adding both The Black Cauldron and Gargoyles to set 10 (Whispers in the Well), which comes out near the end of this year.

https://screenrant.com/disney-lorcana-whispers-in-the-well-ethereral-glimmers/

>>149110518
She's a minor, you lolicon

>>149110510 (OP)
Do you think anybody's ever going to take another crack at the Chronicles of Prydain?

In theory it would be great fodder for animated content. I suppose it would have to be a movie series, one movie for each of the five books. Or perhaps an animated show, with five seasons, one season for each book.

>>149112720
Eh, it's mediocre tbf.

>>149110510 (OP)
I still don't get it

>>149110510 (OP)
has any one character managed to bring down an animated movie more than this? Because I can't think of one.

>>149110518
Her and Henwen.

Don't look at me like that. Henwen was a total boinkpiglet.

>>149114480
Haram

>>149110548
Yeah, once you actually just sit down and watch it from start to finish...The Black Cauldron really deserves the shit it gets. There is very very little right with it.

Gurgi being somewhat irritating is honestly small potatoes compared to just how borked the overall pacing and tone the movie has. Gurgi is incredibly easy to point at but honestly every character just flat out sucks in their own way.

>>149110548
It's okay. Even Lloyd Alexander commented that while it's hardly an accurate adaptation it's by all other accounts a decent movie. Incidentally I've been rereading the books. They're good.

>>149112720
Childrens' fantasy is a fucking cursed genre for adaptation. There's like a 3% hit rate on that shit.

>>149115063
>>149112720
Yeah, even Narnia had a rough time going. It is a shame though, I do wish there was more effort putting into make childrens fantasy adventure. It would certainly be a huge step over the absolute garbage they push at kids now.

It certainly stands out better in recent company

>>149110510 (OP)
the mustache makes him very un-cute

>>149111058

>>149114953
>we went on this big epic adventure to find the legendary black caldron and, oh just some random women who live on the outskirts have it.

>>149111952
based*

>>149115925
kill yourself

>>149115925
continue living

>>149110999
this is kinda my cop out answer but you have to give it to someone other than Disney of that era. they were never going to do the whole "80s dark fantasy / whimsy" thing right.

You want a good Black Cauldron in the mid 80s? You give it Bluth, Rankin Bass or Jim Henson. ...maybe even rené laloux or TMS.
HELL you could have given it to George Lucas and he could have used his connections to produce a Willow-like adventure film full of 80s era ILM effects that probably would have been awesome.

>>149112955
You shut your whore mouth. That was top tier YA shit that taught good morales.

>>149112720
Disney renewed their rights to the books about a decade ago and its been on the backlog of Disney Live Action remakes for a while now.

>>149116577
And I'm okay with them producing a live-action remake of it. They might as well remake something where there's considerable room for improvement.

>>149116780
>Staring Will Smith as Fflewddur Fflam amd jack black as Doli

>>149112335
Based as fuck. In fabled gonna have a goofy movie

>>149116780
>Implying they'll make a live action remake of a failure
Too risky, why do that when they could remake a successful movie?

>>149117211
It is important to remember that often they renew a license not because they have plans but rather to insure nobody else can

>>149115647
>And not only do they have it they can also completely negate the rules the Black Cauldron has set in place

Why does everyone want to stick their pp inside Princess Eilonwy's underage holes?

>>149117548
Welsh Girls are cute

>>149110510 (OP)
The white hair and mustache were some bad design calls. It makes him look like a little old man.
Or someone turned Gepetto into a mole.

>>149110548
Did Katzenberg ever do anything good for Disney in his time there?
Al I ever hear are stories of his getting himself involved and fucking up a movie, or raging out and firing half the crew over some nothing event. And then he went on to go run Dreamwork.

>>149110857
The issue was that it was flop #4 in a very short amount of time. Everyone was losing confidence in the animation department. and they still had two more flops after this before they turned things around.

>>149112664
>lolicon
he was probably a child when he thought she was cute

>>149115063
Fantasy in general is pretty much like that. It's lots and lots of pure crap, and there is the occasional decent movie, but that only happens nearly once a decade at best. And after about 20 shit movies that came before it.

>>149117008
Yeah if this was 2004. Smith is in his late 50s now and not really playing the young hip cool guy, or much of anything after losing his shit at the academy awards.

>>149110510 (OP)
This dude was a cool as fuck villain. I loved the scene where he started to raise his undead army.

How close was the movie to the book?

>>149117211
They remade the flop Haunted Mansion movie into another flop just a couple years ago

>>149119133
It's a super abridged version of the first two books and they replaced the actual villain with one of his henchmen and made the witches goofy instead of basically The Fates.

>>149116780
I wouldn't mind a live action Black Cauldron

https://vocaroo.com/11ldFAJShDrm

>>149119132
It was pretty trimmed down from the original plan too.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M8zQHO40Cys

>>149115625
Okay, so now we know what Gepetto's fursona is.

>>149117548
It's the accent

>>149110510 (OP)
Every Disney movie has stupid annoying rats

>>149112664
Why does every American think every state, dimension, every time space, every other country on earth, even the fantasies inside your head, must follow American federal age of consent law? That's not even a universally valued and applied thing in the US right now. It's just so bizarre to me that someone would even submit to authority in their mind. This is all fantasy. You can become a murderhobo and kill the whole Black Cauldron cast, or just that annoying sidekick. You can have a whole history with the princess, bedding her at a young age out in the forest, keeping the sword and letting that little dog creature die, then becoming Elden Lord. Fucking normies man, the invisible courtroom in your head isn't going to hold you in high esteem because you insist on mentioning to everyone online that you are absolutely not okay with fucking imaginary minors.

>>149110510 (OP)
I've believed for many years that Disney's version of Gurgi was their attempt to copy the Ewoks from Return of the Jedi, but it backfired so tremendously that they spent the next few decades plotting on how to destroy Star Wars for good.

>>149112664
Out of ten!

>>149110510 (OP)
>i never understood why thing i never watched was supposedly forgotten until i watched it
uh? is this some esl shit?

>>149119400
Yeah, but if they aren't telling people on the internet they're pedophiles, how will everyone know he's not one?

>>149119235
Who's the real villain?

>>149119400
That’s a lot of words to justify jerking it to cartoon little girls.

>>149112720
>>149115063
>>149115088
people are just tired of the whiteoid shit. we need to adapt more folk tales from like Africa or SEA

It’s always interesting to see what Tim Burton worked on before he became a director, he also apparently worked on Tron according to IMDb.

>>149119201
Because Haunted Mansion is the most popular and marketable Disney ride that's not based on a movie and they're trying to make it their third Halloween merch pillar after Nightmare Before Christmas and Hocus Pocus.

>>149119510
Yeah because live action Mulan worked out super well

>>149119457
Arawn Death Lord. The movie's prologue loosely alludes to him by making him the evil king that was thrown into the Cauldron and the face on its side. There's also a lich side villain in the book Taran Wanderer that probably resulted in Disney's Horned King being a lich rather then a guy in a mask.

>>149111385
Counter point, the bitchiest """""hero""""" of all time.

>>149119604
that was just a problem with the adaptation. it specifically failed because so much of the original was stripped from it and made to pander to a wider, white bread audience

>>149110510 (OP)
Always felt Stitch was a cooler version of this character.

>>149110510 (OP)
could use the LoTR treatment desu

>>149110510 (OP)
I have such a very soft spot for this film but even then I highly acknowledge its faults.

Like Taran was a dull MC and the pacing was very uneven but it had such a cool aesthetic, fantastic art and animation, kino scoring, an intimidating and scary villain, and Elionwy was good loli material.

>>149119477
I'm not justifying anything. I'm saying it doesn't need to be justified. Anymore than imagining you're Gemworld Adolf Hitler and genociding the Gemstone Jews hiding in attics on earth.

>>149119413
I believe it. Taran gave me the same impression as Luke in A New Hope being a whiny, sarcastic prick and only taking until the climax to be actually selfless and heroic.

>>149117548
Here's a fun experiment: ever watch The Neverending Story? If you thought the Childlike Empress was hot when you were a preteen...how do you feel now? Do you go real still and with mild horror, think "Oh no...she's hot." and start rationalizing "She's child-LIKE. She's actually basically immortal." or are you repulsed by the character in general?

>>149114596
Hamslam.

>>149119911
Peter Jackson would probably do it up nice.

>>149120652
chris hamslam? the skater?

>>149120642
You can rationalize your tastes from when you were younger and not continue to have them when you're older.

>>149120642
ive seen the movie like twice in my adult hood after seeing it as a kid and i still think shes very bonny

>>149120657
lol, no. Think about it a while, you'll get it.

>>149110548
This is the zoomest of zoomie posts. Black Cauldren's better than a number of the 90s and 2000s movies, and better than boring shit like 101 Dalmatians.

>>149110510 (OP)
Even if the movie was supposedly made to be timeless, this character design reeks of that 80s dad haircut.

>>149120882
i understood the joke anon, the first second i read it.
>boinkpiglet
>hamslam
youre not smarter than everyone esle, this isnt reddit

>>149116780
I'm not everyone will be black and gay and it will be even worse than the original

>>149119071
No. People of how demographic just make things worse

>>149119477
Just imagine if you knew that you could go to nudist resorts in their country and see rooms full of 13-15 year old girls doing nude aerobics and yoga. Your probably do one of those mass shootings out of pure repressed rage.

>>149110510 (OP)
That rat fuck shit furry gollum ruins what otherwise would have been a kino movie. Doesn't help that the finale is glergie getting revived from the dead and everyone celebrating his rebirth like Jesus came back.

>>149119400
american website

>>149116780
That sounds hopeful anon. Why can't you be like everyone else and not only assume the worst but the most extreme version of the worst?

>>149115025
There's books?

>>149119400
Only country that matters pajeet.

>>149121639
Good lord, anon. They're like 60 years old at this point.

If Disney tried to make a live action Black Cauldron movie more like the books they'd fuck it up. First step in fucking it up, they'd make Eilonwy brown.

>>149119510
This attitude is why all the white Zoomers are joining ICE.

>>149112720
Netflix series material would be my guess. I've read the book; it is a surprisingly thin world created over the course of five stories and would likely have to be heavily buttressed with oc material to make the entire thing worthwhile as a viewing experience- because you're never going to have the money needed to let the visuals so the heavy lifting for you a la Lord of the Rings.

>that scene where the man gets turned into a frog and gets trapped between the cute fattie witch's tits.

>>149119738
Actually, many of the changes were done in an attempt to pander to the Chinese market. Which ended up backfiring, since Chinese audiences didn't like it more than anyone else.

>>149122004
If your country matters so much, why are you letting it turn to shit?

>>149121020
Shut up faggot

The public wanted faggy musicals and they got faggy musicals

>>149121038
You get a cookie! for your 100 perception. I'm assuming you're the same guy who I've been talking to. You really shouldn't play dumb like that. There are so many here that are REALLY that dumb (but they keep trying, God bless 'em) that it was hard to tell if you were joking due to text-based communication not having nuance.

>>149122061
Tell me more

>>149123272
You are faggy

>>149119413
Jarjar Binks was the same thing. He was supposed to be a lovable comedic sidekick but instead he was really God damned annoying.

>>149121112
>The Gay Cauldron of Color

>>149121139
As Disney furry sidekicks go, Gurgi wasn’t that bad. I was surprised they gave him such a prominent role in the plot, though. In the book, that role was played by an arrogant young prince who realized he had to do a Heroic Sacrifice to destroy the Cauldron and save the world.

>>149110510 (OP)
What were the books called?

>>149110510 (OP)
He was alright

>>149124498
>>149112720

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