Why does DC hate Donna Troy??

>>149119248 (OP)
Wonder Woman related character + teen titan

>>149119248 (OP)
Everyone besides Marv Wolfman cheered at this page upon release, and when they flung this creep and his offspring of a cliff.

>DC editorial thinks she's a Titans character so she rarely shows up in WW comics
>WB execs think she's a WW character and thus was beholden to the "WW & her characters can't show up in media WW isn't a main character of" rule and missed out on TT03 and YJ

>>149119248 (OP)
Because she killed America’s sweetheart, Terry Long.

Terry wore out his welcome but then the entire cast did. The original idea of the character was fine, a superhero is in love with an ordinary person with none of the secret identity bullshit this usually involves. He wasn’t a great character but he didn’t appear enough for him to be annoying unless you were freaked out by a sexy superhero sleeping with an unsexy mortal.

After the wedding he should have been mostly retired and because he wasn’t, he became so annoying that the marriage seemed retroactively like a bad idea.

I like Donna

Hot

>>149119662
You neglected to mention he was a skeevy old professor who claimed he was "29" but looked 40 and was drawn eerily like the writer. That stuff alone should've made editorial nix the character before his first issue.

>>149119712
George Pérez seems to have based the character more on the editor (and Wolfman’s bestie) Len Wein.

Wein should have told him to change the look of the character for the reasons you mentioned though. Pérez was a genius but he had some odd ideas about design and costuming.

>>149119777
>Pérez was a genius
No, he was just a good artist. His designs were mediocre.

>>149119777
>odd ideas about design and costuming
I have no idea what Jericho is supposed to be. What the hell is this outfit?

>>149119248 (OP)
>>149119676
……Bewbs

>>149119275
fpbp

>>149119885
I guess he's a prince

>>149119712
>You neglected to mention he was a skeevy old professor who claimed he was "29" but looked 40 and was drawn eerily like the writer
To be fair, "people looked older back then" is already a meme.

Does Donna even have her own villains after being on that team for 60 years??

>>149119248 (OP)
Booba

>>149120087
It doesn't even make sense. The 14 year olds these days have wrinkles and receding hairlines, and people have gray hairs in their twenties because of growth hormones in food and micro plastics in everyone's blood. Young people these days look like they're fucking dying.

>>149120120
>Hyperion
>the rest of the Titans of Myth
>Dark Angel
>Lord Chaos
>Sparta
>One or two Red Panzers
>Perfection
>Bogeyman

Now does DC want to use any of these characters for a Titans arc? No, because they’re too obsessed with redoing Church of Blood, Deathstroke, Terra, and evil Raven to bring back other villains.

>>149119248 (OP)
booba

>>149119702
Terry is just like me

>>149121018
I didn't know Marv went on 4chan.

>superhuman cutie that's into photography
Literally built for me

>>149119622
>"WW & her characters can't show up in media WW isn't a main character of" rule
No fucking way

>>149121143
It's why Barda took WW's place on the Justice League in Batman Beyond and why WW wasn't on the Justice League in Batman 2004.

It wasn't until 2010 did that licensing issue resolve, but Donna and various WW villains barely missed being in Young Justice season 1 because of that.

>>149119662
He was the writer's self insert

>>149120269
>>Hyperion
Wanted to to fuck her
>>the rest of the Titans of Myth
Coeus wanted to fuck her and the others went along with it
>>Dark Angel
Evil alt self
>>Lord Chaos
Evil future/alt son
>>Sparta
???
>>One or two Red Panzers
Generic nazi
>>Perfection
???
>>Bogeyman
Only from one page and looking at it it seems like he only wanted to fuck her

Can /co/ make a Donna villain that isn't just an evil version of herself or some guy wanting to fuck her?

>>149119248 (OP)
She did go from Wonder Woman's magic clone to some random girl giving her Wonder Woman powers.

>>149119622
Why can't they use a character from their own damn company?

>>149121814
Same reason they created Nuclear Man instead of using the dozen other evil Superman clones.

>>149119248 (OP)
Cassie and Artemis are better.

>>149119248 (OP)
They don’t hate her, they simply don’t care about her because she’s not particularly popular

>>149121796

>>149119702
Oh God I've written shit like this, where did I put that loaded revolver

>>149119777
Here's "Enilwen" talking to his teddy bears in She-Hulk

>>149119622
Basically this, plus Donna's origin is a stack of retcons that DC writers can't stop messing with, and the only time she was particularly popular and important was in 80s Titans, where she was in a relationship people can't stop seething about even today. The only time she was notably popular is retroactively also seen as the run that "ruined" the character. Terry being Wolfman's self-insert makes it an easy argument to make, but a lot of them just seem outraged by the idea of a heroine having any kind of normie love interest, and like her role should be as the girlfriend of some superhero of their choosing.

>>149119824
Perez had some designs that absolutely knocked it out of the park, and lot that were just garish and odd. A lot of his designs were too elaborate and detailed for other artists to want to draw, so didn't last long after he left a book.

>>149119824
Raven and Starfire have great designs. Starfire in particular has a good color palette that pops.

Them titties though

Terry is a fucking stain on her character

Nobody wants to fuck a woman who fucked THIS thing

>>149121100
She’s built for BTC. Big Terry Cock

>>149122616
Why don’t more young superheroines these days fuck boomers?
Donna didn’t. Why can’t Cassie?
Or Yara? Or Trinity?
Or any other young superheroine?

>>149119248 (OP)
Wonder Woman barely has any notoriety for herself much less 4 sidekick

>>149120087
>>149120194
They say this because kids back then mature faster than kids these days. It's more of a personality thing than a physically thing.

>>149123932
I think there's a general point in how back in older times, a guy who was almost 30 dressing and conducting himself much the same as a guy in his 40s would be broadly the norm, thoughever these days a guy who's almost 30 might be a lot more likely to be dressing and conducting himself a lot more like he did when he was 20. There's also teens having to mature faster in older generations when a lot less of them went to college, and starting work earlier was much more of a thing. It was the norm for most of the teen heroes at early 60s Marvel to wear suits when they weren't in costume.

That other anon is right that sometimes young people can physically look a lot older than they are, especially if they've done way too much drugs or alcohol, too much can make them look decades older than they are.

>>149122281
Nobody is seething, anon. We’re laughing at the very idea of Terry, that’s all.

>>149121796
Backwards.
She started out a random baby girl rescued by Wonder Woman, given powers by the Amazons, and raised on Themyscira as her little sister.
Then she became a random baby girl rescued by the Titans of Myth, turned into a proto-god, and raised on New Cronus with others children picked from across the galaxy.
Then she became a magic clone of Wonder Woman.
Then she died.
Then she did Crisis on Infinite Donnas where she came back knowing all the knowledge of all her multiversal variants (Dark Angel, Harbinger, etc.) and all the permutations of her origin story.
Then she was wiped from existence by Barry fucking Allen.
Then she came back again as a magic clone, but evil.
Now they took it back to the start.

>>149121531
Sparta is one of the Titan Seeds from her New Cronus origin. She's not a villain.
Perfection is a deep deep cut, from a WW backup in between TTv1 and NTT. It was more notable, I thought, for the weird relationship between Donna and Mr. Jupiter. But hey, we know she likes older men...
Bogeyman was from the Robinson JLA run, a flashback to when she was a kid. He was another villain that just wanted to fuck her.

>>149124289
Forgot my picture.

DC has never known what to do with Donna Troy ever since Bob Haney stuck her in Teen Titans without realizing that Robert Kanigher had written Wonder Girl as Wonder Woman's teenage self.

Everybody has tried to explain her ever since, but nothing sticks.

>>149124310
Bob Haney gave no fucks. In his run on BtAB, Kirby’s guys, especially the Demon, were the only ones he kept somewhat in character.

>>149122281
>Terry being Wolfman's self-insert makes it an easy argument to make

The funny part is that Terry Long wasn't actually Wolfman's self-insert.

He resembles more Len Wein (the editor, also co-creator of Wolverine) more. And I'm certain there are old interviews where Perez confirms that similarity is intentional.