How was he able to get a show at such a young age

>>149120004 (OP)
He saved enough money by pooping in trashcans instead of paying for a toilet

Moving up any corporate ladder to the point you get to do what you want in America is basically just 10% resume and 90% building a network of the right people.
We have little concept of seniority because the ladder is often hard to climb via putting the work in

sucked someone off at the top
and he was still qualified for the job

>>149120045
especially in an industry that is hemorrhaging human labor for profit
disney will sooner remove the human element from their animation department than for cheap AI generative works for seasonal sloppa than invest in new talent

>>149120024
better than the sink and having to push it down with your palms while being hungover

>>149120004 (OP)
>TFW 30 and can only get retail jobs
Should I rope? I always wanted to be in the animation industry and create my own cartoon, that ship has sailed. I have a degree in marketing but was never able to find work in the field

Because he had a deal with Disney that if he worked on Fish Hooks then they'd let him make his own show
That's how a ton of show creators got their cartoon
Craig McCracken (PPG) first worked on Dexter's Lab
Stephen Hillenburg (SpongeBob) first worked on Rocko's Modern Life
C. H. Greenblatt (Chowder) first worked on Billy & Mandy
Pendleton Ward (Adventure Time) first worked on Flapjack
Alex Hirsch (Gravity Falls) first worked on Fish Hooks

>>149120024
A lot of people are dumb enough to pay for a toilet

>>149120176
i know right, dont they know most homes come with one already installed?

>>149120004 (OP)
If your dreams don't come true at a young age, they pretty much aren't going to.

>>149120159
>Because he had a deal with Disney that if he worked on Fish Hooks then they'd let him make his own show
So why did they make such a deal with a freshly graduated Hirsch? He hadn’t done anything prior to Fish Hooks

>>149120144
I can't fucking stand seeing successful animators/artists/showrunners.
I don't think I'll be happy until every one of them, being industry or indie, go broke and are forced into homelessness
Like, I actually get angry seeing interviews with cartoon creators.

>>149120195
yeah, i still cant turn into a jet and im nearly 29, never gonna make it bros

>>149120004 (OP)
Jew

>>149120253
>He wasn't jetmaxxing in his early-teens
You only have yourself to blame

>>149120004 (OP)
He went to CalArts and someone at Disney saw his student films

>>149120281
i sat up night after night making the noises and contorting my body but i just couldnt turn into a jet
dont try and tell me i didnt jetmax

>>149120306
Truth is, you can't truly become a jet natty
Gotta get on that jet-tren

Power of friendship and networking

>>149120336
That and also being at the right place at the right time.

>>149120247
so youre the reason why I continue
to spite faggots like you
hope you happily kys ;3

>>149120004 (OP)
>I need to complain about nepotism
He'd been a boarder on 3 other shows, his pitch referenced a popular cult show, he voiced two of the supporting characters really well, the premise was original, the style was cheap to animate, and it finally gave Disney their own "short brunet lusting after leggy Lauren Faust stand-in" show

>>149120024
>Sigma Tip #45667

>>149120365
Well yeah but friendhip and networking is usually how you end up in those places at those times.

>>149120244
He worked on Flapjack and was one of the main storyboard artists and was one of the co-creators of Fish Hooks

>>149120325
>injecting aviation grease
nice

>>149120004 (OP)
He sucked many dicks

>>149120189
If I get one without one I’m just going to make do. Not dumb enough to waste money on a toilet when that can go to an honored display for my art. Like turds are more important. Plus it’s funny

>>149120435
true
not everyone one can get ahead in life on merit alone
sometimes bribery or not being an asshole helps

>>149120772
Hell most people don't get by merit alone. Those that do are probably virtually non-existient.

>>149120807
not true at all
those people are just not attention whores

>>149120144
Make your own comic and hope it's successful enough to get some suit's attention.

>>149120949

comics won't get you shit, you need at least an animatic.

>>149120994
Objectively false. A quarter of any show or movie being made animated or otherwise comes from some sort of comic.

>>149120994
>curent year 2014+11
>still making excuses
we get it faggot youre both talentless and restless and need someone else to blame but yourself for not trying hard enough or not seeing the writing on the wall
we all want things faggot
be humble
work for it

>>149120994
t. Kyle Carozza

>>149120004 (OP)
>went to correct school to get a job at Disney
>worked on a few shows at Disney
>pitched his idea at the right time
>profit
I think it's also worth saying that he probably benefitted from ideal timing. I doubt if a show like Gravity Falls could've taken off the way it did earlier than 2010 or later than 2016. I don't think Gravity Falls could be made in 2025 the same way it was in 2012.

>>149120004 (OP)
Gravity Falls was pitched at the perfect time is how. Alex Hirsch was part of the "younger generation" whose voices Disney was prioritizing for new ideas. Usually takes way longer than just 2 years working professionally before you're approached directly to pitch something to a major network.

Things work very differently now, to the point where even HE as a veteran can't get anything new past development. The guy's not "hot new talent" anymore, so if he still hasn't learned better time management skills since GF ended, he's done for.

>>149120004 (OP)
((((((((((((((((((((((((((((I don't know must've been a talented young man))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))

>>149120832
Whites love the myth of meritocracy it’s how we stay in charge

>>149122681
Shut up fag

>>149121268
If it was made now, Mabel would be the main star. She would be black, and have a gender fluid best friend.

>>149120004 (OP)
Lol I dunno

>>149121376
Yeah, it was a very popular method for these networks to go around to student film showcases, see who has the most potential, then offer then a high-position job but for a low rate. They wouldn't KNOW it was low because they had no or little industry experience. This is a very similar way to how networks worked in the 90s, except they would commission shorts from people after seeing their film or reel or etc.

The reason so many young people get show deals is because veteran's know their worth.

>>149120004 (OP)
He got into a prominent school, made a student film that turned heads and got him noticed, got some good gigs directly out of school, and pitched the right thing at the right time.
It was a combination of hard work, skill, and very good timing. Hirsch is also more socially adept than you standard animator who tend to be very socially awkward and, frankly, really fucking weird. Being able to talk like a normal person definitely helped with networking.

>>149120159
>>149120244
Nobody gets a deal like that. Anon just made it up. But he was able to demonstrate the ability to step up with Fish Hooks which indicated his propensity for potentially running a show as well as giving him access to important people who would later end up being good connections.

>>149120247
The success of other people shouldn’t affect you this much. I’m serious when I suggest you seek therapy, anon. The path you’re on doesn’t lead to good things. Better help is a service that allows you to talk to therapists remotely if you don’t feel comfortable going to one IRL.

>>149120004 (OP)
He sucked a LOT of penis.

>>149124174
So have I but it hasn't led to anything

>>149125169
The folly of penis roulette

>>149120004 (OP)
I'd say he's peaked at Gravity Falls.

>>149120004 (OP)
The most poignant thing Hirsch said is that Calarts gets you in the industry because it's a mark that you actually know how to work. Most art schools just do bullshit work and the students fuck off and play video games half the time.
Doesn't matter if you think beanmouth is Calarts or that it's ugly, you know a Calarts graduate can treat this like a job and isn't just going to fuckoff and be lazy and knows how to organize a crew. Even if he pees in buckets

>>149125687
Where's that next show, Alex

>>149125190
I mean, that's the only thing he did for myself.
Everything he has been doing is helping other projects but not being the lead of them.

Makes me wonder if the rumors of him asking for more than he should when making a show are true.

>>149120004 (OP)
Rich (jewish) parents funded his calarts education which made him get a job on flapjak and anybody on that shit got their own show later on through connections, This can't be done today as the animation industry is in flames and nobody is hiring even if you know a guy.

>>149120004 (OP)
Shame that now he is an one-hit wonder regardless of what his pathetic fans say.
Like trying to contribute to him the creation of Inside Job.

>diagonal hairline

>>149120144
Do comics, even if they aren’t successful

>>149124015
>betterhelp shill
>paying for therapy
>Ishiggydiggy.jpeg

>>149120144
Why can’t you create a cartoon?

>>149126223
Maybe. He still has a pretty big name in animation so he may have high rates. But really, running shows burns people out. Notice that the majority of new creators who had shows around the same time as GF either haven't done something else, have something they're supposedly working on, or, in a few cases, are only working on follow ups now.

Studios also aren't greenlighting original IPs right now. His Netflix deal fell through when the entire animation division was killed. He may be waiting for people to actually want new shows again if he has no interest whatsoever in working on an extant IP.

>>149129750
>Notice that the majority of new creators who had shows around the same time as GF either haven't done something else, have something they're supposedly working on, or, in a few cases, are only working on follow ups now.
Weird since Dana and Matt did managed to do new things after their hits in short-time... well I don't know for Matt since it's been a while we get new information for that movie he is working with Rebecca Sugar on Sony.
>Studios also aren't greenlighting original IPs right now. His Netflix deal fell through when the entire animation division was killed. He may be waiting for people to actually want new shows again if he has no interest whatsoever in working on an extant IP.
I feel like he had so much time to do something that I don't find it excusable, specially with the influence he supposedly has.
Probably it'll be a while for that.
Maybe he could have a chance in Amazon Prime.

>>149120264
>>149122338
>>149126704
>>149127572
seething

>>149120004 (OP)
He's a Jew.

>>149120144
If your goal is cartoons and not web comics, then save some money and slowly work on an animatic (animated storyboard). Then put it on youtube, cut some edgy attention-grabbing shorts to put on TikTok / youtube shorts. Make some noise, shoot your shot

>>149120004 (OP)
>How was he able to get a show at such a young age
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RN5equKtlTc

>>149122936
>She would be black, and have a gender fluid best friend.
Name 5 cartoons for children made this year that have a mc with this type of characteristics.

>>149130027
>Weird since Dana and Matt did managed to do new things after their hits in short-time... well I don't know for Matt since it's been a while we get new information for that movie he is working with Rebecca Sugar on Sony.
You're supporting what I just said. Dana is only starting to work on a new pilot now. Braly and Sugar are *supposedly* working on a new movie, just like Hirsch is *supposedly* working on a new series (or was). Until a new thing actually comes out, they're all in the same boat as Hirsch is.

> I feel like he had so much time to do something that I don't find it excusable
He took some time to decompress and then had a deal with netflix that he spent the bulk of the time working on. I know people love to shit on Hirsch here, but the fact that the entirety of Netflix animation was gutted is not his fault.

> Maybe he could have a chance in Amazon Prime
That's a garbage streaming service that pays some of the shittiest rates for creators. You don't go to Prime as a first option. The only reason Vivzie went there was because her series was done but her deal with HBO fell through because of the Discovery merger. HH was in limbo for ages until Amazon finally decided to pick it up, but she's not making gangbusters on that deal.

>>149120144
multiple people have suggested making a comic. I wouldn't do that unless you actually want to make a comic as a goal unto itself (and not simply a means to another end). Comics take a TON of work to make and you're going to be pretty pissed if you spend all that time working on one that you never really wanted anyway, just for it to get no attention and never go anywhere. Make a comic if you want to make a comic. If not, then find another way.

Anons like to recommend comics for aspiring animators because they consume both cartoons and comics and see them as the same thing, but anyone who has actually spent any time working on either can tell you they are extremely different projects. Some people enjoy working on both. Many do not.

>>149131857
Regardless of anything, Dana's show is guaranteed to happen which I think this deal was very big jackpot for her.

Matt's movie has been very silent and probably it'll still be for some time, hope new information comes out quickly.

Welp, I guess returning to GF will be his only option...

>>149133517
Hirsch has put out three top selling books, produced on Inside Job, helped write a handful of shows/movies, and voice acted on a bunch of others. Matt and Dana haven't been nearly as active on other projects like that. I'm not trying to take anything away from either of them. I just really don't get why /co/ shits on Hirsch so hard when most of the stuff they complain about is stuff that other creators they like are also guilty of.
/co/ has a major hate-boner and as someone who neither loves nor hates the guy, it's fucking wild to watch.

>>149133599
>Hirsch has put out three top selling books
from GF. Dana did an art book for gallery nucleus and the book sold out completely.
We are talking about how he didn't have another original project on his own, not contributions.
He is massive over-hyped to the point where his fans try to make those contributions to other shows for his own like Inside Job in order to not make him appear like an one-hit wonder and that's annoying as fuck.

>>149133628
>We are talking about how he didn't have another original project on his own, not contributions.
Right, but in context I was talking about how Braly and Terrace have works in projects in production (as does supposedly Hirsch), but in the meantime he ALSO contributed to other shows and published three books. People try to paint him as being lazy, but he's not just sitting around with a thumb up his ass.

>Dana did an art book for gallery nucleus and the book sold out completely.
Yes. It was a short run book to sell at her art show. That's amazing for her, but you can't really compare that to the international distribution Hirsch's books got (which received mentions in the New York Times and dedicated tables at stores like Barnes and Nobles, the Strand, and The Last Bookstore). His limited edition GF books also sold out completely and are now extremely expensive on secondary markets. I'm not bringing this up as some sort of competition, but you mentioned that Terrace's book "sold out completely" as if that's a measure of success over Hirsch which falls apart when you look at sheer volume sold.

>He is massive over-hyped
That's not really his fault. Seems to be more a problem with the rabid fan base. Overexcited fans tend to ruin a lot of properties. That's partially why I try to avoid fandoms. I watched GF well after the show had ended its run, had no idea there was an ARG component to the show, and generally avoided all the hype. I finally checked it out after hearing it referenced tons of times and found it enjoyable. I've rewatched the show a couple times and think it still holds up. It's not the greatest show of all time, but I think it's a solid monster of the week serial.

>>149133953
>(as does supposedly Hirsch)
Hirsch doesn't have anything as far as I know.
His show in Netflix got canned for unknown reasons. The show got leaked entirely months ago.
>but in the meantime he ALSO contributed to other shows and published three books.
I'm talking about projects on his own, not contributions.
I'm referring more to Alex, Dana and Matt as creators, not contributors, I'm not talking about that.
>People try to paint him as being lazy, but he's not just sitting around with a thumb up his ass.
He doesn't live up to the "influence" and power he has for making a show like GF.
He clearly doesn't want to go through to the same pressure when he made GF. In fact, this is why GF ended on S2... because he was tired.

People put me Alex in a high bar as a creator but I don't see it like that.

>>149134056
>Hirsch doesn't have anything as far as I know
It's not entirely certain that the show is dead in the water.

>The show got leaked entirely months ago
Nope, not entirely. We saw some visual development stuff. That's preemptive work that people do when figuring out the character designs, world, etc. That tends to be rough work that gets refined as you go along and everything from backgrounds to characters to color palettes, visual style, etc gets worked and reworked several times over. While that MIGHT have been the entirety of what they had finished, having been on several productions at this point, I can tell you that it's highly unlikely that's all that was made. Either someone found link that was supposed to be private or, more likely, an artist had some of their NDA work locked behind a password and someone impersonated a recruiter to get access to their private portfolio.

>I'm referring more to Alex, Dana and Matt as creators
I know. I only brought it up because the inference was that Alex was being lazy.

>He doesn't live up to the "influence" and power he has for making a show like GF
I know you don't want to bring up other projects, but he did use his power and influence to help get Inside Job created.

>People put me Alex in a high bar as a creator but I don't see it like that.
Again, that seems to be more of a problem with other people than it is a problem with Hirsch. Hirsch does not tell other people that he is an amazing creator like John K does. Other people think that Alex Hirsch is the shit and that makes you mad. Your problem is with the people who think that Hirsch is great, not with Hirsch himself.

>>149120004 (OP)
He's part of a certain group that gets nepotistic handouts

>>149125190
Clearly

>>149120004 (OP)
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