Thread 149137044

>Living fire is actually a physical annoyance, deterrent, and hazard to other living elements around her
>"WOW THIS IS JUST LIKE HOW PEOPLE TREAT INTERRACIAL RELATIONSHIPS"

Ok.

>>149137044 (OP)
It's almost like that's intentional, or something...

>>149137055
Intentionally stupid. You can't compare a societal disgust with a physical annoyance.

Maybe if Ember was supposed to represent obese girls who take up two seats on an airplane and then complain about it on TikTok, I could see it working.

>>149137055
the term is "ham fisted"

>>149137077
>Intentionally stupid
There's a word for that, that make sense when you remember that Hollywood is part of the Ministry of Truth.
>>149137085
That's not what I'm describing.

>>149137115
*makes sense

>>149137044 (OP)
It's an allegory meant for children, i honestly dont know what else to tell you, OP

>>149137271
>It's an allegory meant for children
So children are supposed to walk away thinking that other races are adversarial by their nature and trying to mix them is like mixing fire and water, and not like two members of the same species who share all but a fraction of a percent of their DNA...

>>149137271
A bad allegory is bad no matter who the audience. Pic related is about the dangers of being prejudice and doesn't trip over itself trying to convey it.

>>149137287
Did you walk away from Animal Farm thinking pigs could talk thier way into positions of power?

>>149137321
Did you forget we're talking about allegories?

>>149137287
The deleted ending scene had them coming back from Ember's art sabbatical with a baby made of steam. Dunno why it was cut, kind of was a big exclamation point on the entire story they were telling

>>149137345
And have Ember give up her dreams of travelling and going to college to stay behind and raise a baby? LOL!

>>149137335
Different anon - did you forget that the pigs are an allegory too? What no reading comprehension does to a motherfucker.

>>149137044 (OP)
>Fire is inherently dangerous, but can be a useful tool if handled correctly
I didn't watch the movie, so I don't know what race fire lady is supposed to be or if she is just a generic minority. But it is a bad allegory because not wanting to be around an open flame is a natural response

>>149137044 (OP)
That does raise the question on what differentiates the sentient elements from the "normal" elements around them. Like, yeah, Wade can become one with a body of water or Ember can jump into a braizer to make the flames bigger, but where is the line drawn? What makes Ember alive but a simple match flame not? Why are the cloud element folks different from the regular atmosphere that's literally everywhere? What's the difference between an earth elemental and just regular dirt?

See what happens when you take this shit at face value, OP?

>>149137373
>did you forget that the pigs are an allegory too?
No, but >>149137321 either did, or thinks I did because I described the logical conclusion of how the allegory was written.
>>149137055 (Me)

>>149137419
There is a stark difference between the theories of things unseen and scenes demonstrating that a water person bumping into a fire person causes the fire person to lose half their fucking face.

>>149137044 (OP)
Instead of being pussies with the metaphor they should've just gone full throttle with the elemental racism and put more thought into the worldbuilding. Yes, fire people are walking nukes and have to be forcibly segregated in their own lava shithole neighborhoods because they will burn everything to the ground as soon as they step foot in Elemental City. Wade dating Ember gets him labeled as a Race Traitor and they go on the run in search of finding a new home. Give me more Romeo and Juliet vibes.

>>149137606
Full on Shakespearian tragedy might be going a bit far for a children's film, anon

>>149137044 (OP)
This is what happens when talentless faggots focus on trying to make up something original for an allegory without thinking through the obvious implications of such clumsy mixed messaging. Turning Red had the same problem. You can't have your unsubtle symbolic representation of a real world thing also be something that has considerable in-fiction consequences.

>Disney Pixar's BLUE
>HE'S A BLUE WHALE
>SHE'S A PLANKTON!
>THEY'RE IN LOVE BUT SOCIETY SAYS IT WILL NEVER WORK BECAUSE WHALES EAT PLANKTON
>(this is a metaphorical tale about the Jim Crow era of the deep south where black people were lynched for daring to flirt with white people)

>>149137647
Kids aren't retarded and it would teach "racism bad" way better

>>149137606
>REALLY enforce the idea in children that different races are, in fact, different species that cause elemental (heh) damage to one-another and segregation and inbreeding are necessary as a basic safety measure
I'm sure they would if they thought no one would call it out...

>>149137419
>>149137444
>>149137606
It's funny because it's clear you're not supposed to think too much about the metaphor, but considering what it's a metaphor for and how on the nose it is, it's like they're trying their hardest to make you about it, but the moment you think about it it falls apart like a house of cards in a hurricane.

Zootopia did this way better, with better worldbuilding and putting more thought into the metaphor. Bizarre.

>>149137444
>awwww.....now I dont know math....

>rip this off
>make it worse
>don't even allow for the same raw, emotional beats and water down and muddy the message so that we don't have to feel hard feelings
Disney Pixar was a mistake.

>>149137302
The idea that pop stole from all those other musical styles was fundamentally wrong though. Funk is an offshoot of pop.

>>149138375
God this series was great. It didn't even have any fucking dialogue and yet it was better than anything Pixar has made in the past decade.

>>149138620
But prejudice and (self) segregation doesn't come from nothing. Even if there's bad history between groups of people, that shouldn't be the end of the story and everyone agrees to never interact ever again.

>>149137044 (OP)
>hundred empty seats available
>stay in that one because???

>>149138375
This is even made by a Korean, so that makes sense why Koreans love Elemental so much.

>>149137077
What do you mean? The fact that she can accidentally burn and horrifically maim any other element is actually exactly like muslims with acid and grenade attacks.

>>149137419
>Here's a story that requires a lot of suspension of disbelief
>But also, we're going to poke holes in that suspension every thirty seconds so it's hard to do

This is a big reason why Forky as a character was more frustrating than funny.

Elemental has a water guy get sucked into pipes, but then needs to be saved from drowning. We've established fire people can be damaged by water, but Ember and Wade can touch because they have "chemistry"? So like, if they weren't soulmates, would Wade hurt Ember? Apparently this chemistry didn't stop Wade from evaporating and then being turned into condensation at the end of the movie.

All this stems because they decided to have their stupid world just be a regular city except with some "element" flair here and there. We mock Cars for doing the same shit, but that's the point. It's SO absurd that you go back to, "Eh, it's just fucking Cars, whatever". Elemental is not that ridiculous of a concept, so when you have the water subway go over fire town and it's a death hazard every time it passes by, it's much harder to be on board with the concept vs. Cars having buildings that only make sense for humans.

>HEY, EAT THIS FIREBALL!
>AAAAAAAARGH-CTUALLY IT'S PRETTY GOOD, JUST A LITTLE TOO HOT.
>WHAT?! REEEEEEEEEEEEEE!

It's interesting how much Zootopia's world-building and metaphors clown on Elemental, and that one has half the population wanting to eat the other.

>>149137647
Why not, I think they should have kids watch Watership Down in Elementary.

>>149138885
Predators evolved to no longer eat prey, but that memory is still there. So they made it work because the prejudice is unfounded in the modern era.

Fire elements are inherently dangerous and will forever be so to the other elements. Just because they handwaved it away by the third act doesn't make the threat not still present.

>>149138885
>and that one has half the population wanting to eat the other.
The point was that they DON'T want to eat each other. The animals were rabid, not bloodthirsty, and the blueberry stuff can affect prey and make them rabid, too.

>>149138949
It's beena hot minute since I watched it, but that just makes Zootopia's world-building and metaphors clown on Elemental even harder then.

>>149137044 (OP)
The problems of fire hanging out and living in a city built for water were more an allegory about accessibility for the disabled, the detriments from the hazards of fire reflecting the hazards to one's self (like no ramps for wheelchairs).

The Firish were less a different race and more differently abled with a need for some accommodations to truly integrate, such as that subplot with the leak/flooding.