Not even trying to ragebait or memeing
How did this happen?

>>149153330 (OP)
This feels like you put on the glasses in the movie "They Live".

That's what happens when you don't know how to draw a car.

>>149153330 (OP)
The comic book that defined a generation. When I think of modern cape comics this the first page that comes to mind.

>>149153330 (OP)
Gabby Rivera’s entire life revolves around being a Hispanic lesbian

>>149153330 (OP)
A collusion of multiple factors
>hoping an "award-winning" author could sell books
>DEIbux from Blackrock
>using the comics as an IP farm/extended audience testing

>>149153510
>>DEIbux from Blackrock
That doesn't even make sense. Marvel isn't a publicly traded company.

>>149153330 (OP)
Company thought they saw an emerging market and decided to pander in an extremely cynical way.

You could almost fix it by cutting all the dialog before "if they come back married" and flipped the perspective to behind Kate and actually show them flying into the portal she's talking about

>>149153670
No but Disney is

>>149153769
Would fix the most blatant issue that is the wall of awfully-written text, but the obvious pandering is still bad

Every comic writer should be made to read out the dialogue they write.

In front of someone.

>>149154311
I agree lmao. There's no way a dialogue like that is even remotely passable for something a person would say

>>149153330 (OP)
putting the *sigh* sound effect in the bubble instead of drawing SFX is as lazy as it gets

>>149153330 (OP)
Editors and two writers all teamed up to create this, and thought it was good. Propagandists living in a bubble pushing an agenda is how this happened. They all truly thought they were being both clever and brave.

>>149153496
Didn't Matt Fraction's wife get writing credits in this issue as a special guest for writing and consulting on all of Kate Bishop's dialogue?

>>149153330 (OP)
>How did this happen?
Marvel wanted to expand their readership with audiences from an award winning writer
On paper this was a good idea, for years people have talked about the stagnated at best readership
In practice?
Only Rainbow Rowell stuck around for a reason

>>149153670
That's not how it works, dumbdumb. Disney get DEI tax credits the more checkbook they tick with books like this. It also came out that Iger and the board are receiving DEI payout bonuses that essentially are bribes from Blackrock and Vanguard.

>>149154450
>checkbook
DEI Check boxes

People in denial of DEI influencing media need to get with the times and embrace reality.

>>149153496
>Hispanic
I bet that she doesn't speak Spanish en su día a día.
Seguro que ni habla español on daily baisis
Not even a full sentence.

>>149154602
Spoiler: she don't and has admitted it. She's still a militant latinx dyke feminist and a racist.
I watched her ted talk once. She contradicts herself alot and talks like a high school edgelord. She talks about how tough she is because she was raised exclusively by don't need no man feminist Puerto Rican woman yet talks about how she likes to make her stories as soft and reassuring as possible to make herself feel better. I am paraphrasing, of course.

What in the holy-

>>149154747
How many fans does she actually have? What writing awards has she won? Is she actually respected in the YA author community?

>>149154449
They made yet another comic for the smallest customer group possible - comic shop owners.

>>149153330 (OP)
>How did this happen?
lack of editing

>>149153330 (OP)
Is there a way we could have gotten this in a "show, don't tell" type fashion?

>>149156563
Take out all text and the panel gets the point across much better.

>>149154449
was the reason that comics are a shit deal for the writers too?

>>149156928
Well that of course sure there was that

Wouldve been inherently funnier hsd it been a man fantasyzing about being a lesbian.

I'd assume making a comic book comes with fixed costs in the 30-40k range since you're paying one or two artists, a writer and some amount of editor time for a few months.
Which sounds like a lot for us brokies but big publishers such as Marvel can afford to take that kind of cash from the Spider-Man war chest and gamble on stupid shit every once in a while. get it made for 50k, print a limited run for 10k, and on the off chance it's Gwenpool you make a million and offset the last three America Chavezes.

It's the entertainment industry after all, sometimes you just have to go out and try shit. Movies and vidya used to be the same, editors alternated between cash grabs and weird shit that wasn't even guaranteed to break even.

>>149156958
also some/many not knowing how to really write for the format, but that seems like less of a factor for the person being offered the work. if the offer is just bad, however, they'd have to actively like it to stick around.
it does feel like a bit of a pointless undertaking for a writer of novels to be given a controlled playset to tinker with for a few months instead of just telling their own story with their own characters and a real plot and ending.

>>149157011
If they have an agenda they're trying to push they'll jump at the chance to make more propaganda, especially if they're idealogues.

>>149157011
It's money for nothing, from the perspective of any author.

>>149156563
Like this

>>149157097
well, if they could be writing a book that makes them more money, it's not money for nothing, it's an expense for a novelty project.
>>149157093
i confess i haven't read enough of these to know, but how often does this actually happen outside of the chavez incident?

>>149153330 (OP)
Actual experience dating women
>Open tinder and swipe right till you run out of free swipes for the day
>pray you get a match
>pray she’s not ugly and an actual real person
>Have to be hot or rich in order to get any of them to actually go out with you
>Theyll still probably ghost you anyways
Also, lesbians are known to beat the shit out of each other way more than any other couples

>>149153330 (OP)
Writer and artist got both hired for being brown or knowing someone in the office.
Shit writing will tickle some perverts fancy but that abomination pretending to be a pontiac firebird cant be excused.
I hope marvel offices get bombed.

>>149157007
if I recall correctly its about 100-150$ per page for something like marvel or dc so assuming $150 and assuming your average issue is like 30 pages about $4,500 per issue which means they need to sell about 1600 copies per issue just to barely make a profit and cover all costs

these are all guestimates though and the cost may vary and this was assuming they sell the comic for $2.99 its been so long since ive bought an actual comic i have no clue what real retail price is anymore

>>149157133
>i confess i haven't read enough of these to know, but how often does this actually happen outside of the chavez incident?
The majority of Marvel and DC comics are like this now.
>>149158244
Comics cost $8 now, when this issue came out it probably cost around $5

>>149157133
Kelly thompson is 100% pushing an agenda in her books. I'm not even close to being some sort of always online chud but like holy shit its so noticeable in her works that I picked up on what books she wrote without even checking the author and she has this wierd thing about always making Hawkeye (Clint Barton not kate sadly) shirtless whenever she can.

Immortal hulk also has stuff like that blatanly shoved into it. A black reporter talks about how the world always forgives the anger of college educated straight white men like bruce banner, hulk declares war on the world because oil companies are destroying the enviroment, and one of hulks personalities says how its great that the black reporter is pissing off people by saying trans rights in her papers or something.

>>149158364
>gee, why is manga outselling us?

>>149158344
comics are 8$ now? No wonder this fucking industry is in the gutter who the hell would pay for comics these days when they keep going up in price and declining in quality.

>>149153330 (OP)
TDS really fucked with a lot of people.

>>149158377
Actually thats not why but it has not done them any favors but the real reason is back in the 50s some psychologist came out and said that comics cause crime in youths and the industry collapsed under public outcry with a ton of publishers going under and the ones that survived self regulated to censor most content leaving only kid stuff so mostly superheros and pulled comics from being sold at news stands and stores meaning you had to go to special comic book shops.

The lack of genres besides superheros and lack of exposure basically perma killed the american comic book industry. Hence why the 30s-50s was the comic book golden age.

>>149158383
The only people who buy them are dumb autistic boomers obsessed with collecting. Few people actually read modern DC or Marvel comics.

>>149158364
The only writers and artists willing to accept the low payrates are woke radical ideologues who love the chance to push their political agenda in comics. The editors mostly recruit from their friendship circle of people who share the exact same political beliefs as them. This is how the out of touch echo chambers in DC and Marvel formed.

>>149158428
Yeah an event that happened back in the 50s is the reason why we can only make superhero stories in the year 2025
Dumbass.

>>149153330 (OP)
>How did this happen?
I recall a few things which help preserves this series as a time capsule of the comic industry at that time.

Gabby was supposedly friendly with a high status talent at Marvel at the time who endorsed her and being what she was she was given a red carpet and absolutely no guidance.

She was not a comic fan at all, she saw some of the movies but that was about it. When she was offered the gig she was ambivalent but when they gave her free reign to be as queer as she wanted she said sure thinking it would help her status as a YA author and open a few more doors.

Every comic book 'journalism' site gushed about this series as some kind of achievement.

The story just doesn't make sense, as much as OP's pages are used as an example? The worse parts are the very beginning where a bunch of characters are raving about how awesum America is trying to convince the reader she is an A-lister. Then there is part where America punches Hitler while saying "Not on MY watch sucker!" I think is worse because she doesn't DO anything after that splash page, it's just there for an applause.

And ANY criticism of course had to be fueled by political social bias and not any kind of critical examination about how this series fits into Marvel and what is usually expected by talent.

And then Marvel just stopped taking Gabby's pitches and have been trying to pretend this series never happened. There was a chance when Alonso in Marvel Studios decided that America was going to be 'her' character and wanted her pushed above all others in Doctor Strange but when test audiences detested her snarkiness they had to do reshoots and that ended America but opened the door for Ms. Marvel's push.

There was an America series a few years ago that mostly ignores all of Gabby's stuff, but she'll live forever in /co/ infamy.

Storytime pls.

>>149158841
How the hell does anyone make something like this and not think it’s the most patronizing shit ever?

>>149159151
Not until SDCC you retarded newfaggot

>>149159192
thats not even the worst image, the one with the tranny and troonflag baseball bat seems so out of touch that youd think it was "dah evil right wingerz spreading dem lies"

>>149158841
The restrictions were only lifted at the end of the 80s like 1989 and the lasting effects are still felt today. Go to japan and you can buy every type of manga from a 100 different stores but in america comics are only advertised and sold in comic book shops because of the code and marvel and dc dropped all their non super hero genres like romance and mystery since they werent aimed at small children and they wouldnt want to publish anything that wasnt kid friendly and ovee the years comics are now known as the super hero thing so nobody is going to a comic book shop to buy a non superhero comic so they dont bother making them anymore because they wouldnt sell since the customer base is there for the superheroes.

when was the last time you have ever personally read a non superhero comic book? Anybody that wants a different genre just watches TV or reads a regular book.

>>149158963
>There was an America series a few years ago that mostly ignores all of Gabby's stuff, but she'll live forever in /co/ infamy.
Not just ignore, but retconned as America’s delusions.

>>149158963
I remember that book being the one that tried to vaguely retcon her parallel universe origin? Which was a stupid move because all that parallel universe stuff is still in effect because Billy is still the time looped god of magic. It should have just said she saw it once and traumatically invented a backstory for herself involving it.

Expedition 33 have AI in it.
Why does that game get a pass on /v/

>>149159601
Hey buddy, I think you’ve got the wrong board. /v/ is two boards down.

>>149154449
>Gabby Rivera won an award
Man they'll give those out to anyone these days.

>>149154747
I actually went to a talk she held at my college. I wanted so desperetly to sign a copy of America but I couldnt find and issue one.

>>149159708
funnily enough if you count 0 as a number the second board down is /fit/

>>149154761
Menstration!

>>149154450
Why do you care? Trump won. Woke is dead

>>149159931
>woke is dead
Oh you sweet, summer child.

>>149153330 (OP)
Everything aside, it has always bothered me when a character says too much in a panel. The panel represents a moment, not a minute.

>>149160034
damn, its almost like the writer doesnt understand why pacing and placing works best in comics.

>>149159931
>Woke is dead
It's not dying fast enough.

>>149158364
>Immortal hulk also has stuff like that blatanly shoved into it.
And then Ewing went on to write a pride comic where troons kill Hitler's ghost, which might be one of the worst Marvel comics I've ever seen.

>>149157107
It actually works. Kelly Thompson was brought in to write Kate's dialogue but she made the whole thing worse.

>>149159877
How was it? Cringy or did she actually manage to act like an adult?

>>149153330 (OP)
YO-HO-HO SHE TOOK A BITE OF BUM-BUM

>>149159192
They are out of touch gen Xers and boomers who were told by corporate editorial that "humble bragging" was popular with the kidsters of that era. It's basically the poochie effect- a bunch of out of touch creatives and executives trying to make something cool based on market research from idiot millenials who themselves are out of touch.

>>149158963
>Every comic book 'journalism' site gushed about this series as some kind of achievement.
I remember America went to Sotomayor university, had two gay moms and came from a dimension where everyone was lesbian

>>149160445
You say that but from what I’m seeing gen alpha is getting along with millennials and gen X more than gen Z

>>149159931
If only- it just rebranded

>>149160466
I'm telling you where these humble bragging asshole heroes are coming from, and why. See also Tom King's hello fellow kids character Trinity.

>>149160384
You can't say that and not post it, you little cocktease.

>>149160384
you must not have read many comics if you're trying to pretend that was an exceptionally egregious one or even particularly bad apart from it featuring a type of person you've elected to hate and obsess over.

>>149153769
It's a great idea, but they wouldn't do it. You'd lose all the masturbatory self aggrandizing about lesbians and having them displayed to be ogled as le heckin' powerful women of color. Instead it would be a tasteful panel of a woman bemoaning how she's not married yet which would be "problematic" (they get away with it in this instance because it's a faux justification for the aforementioned self-aggrandizing and gets bonus points for insinuating she might be gay herself.)

>>149160458
>but from what I’m seeing gen alpha is getting along
The oldest of gen alpha are 15.

>>149161376
This generation is doomed.

>>149154747
>latinx
Even using that word marks you as 1000% dumbcunt american, and she doesn't even realise it.

>>149162191
My nieces are 8 and 10 and they've been trained by me and their dad to be sus about everything anyone tells them, especially stuff that sets off the gaydar.

I think gen alpha is going to be ok. They already kind of revolt against the transfaggotry that millenials and zoomers were soaked in.

>>149154769
I don't think she actually has. Not sure where that story came from. But YA is a very broad pseudo-category of writing with a huge range of quality and not a lot of awards. I'm not sure how relevant posturing chicanas are to the bigger players who have, like, actual fandoms connected to their highly readable books.

>>149154449
good answer

Death to all latinxs.

>>149157107
Even that sentence alone is clunky as fuck.

>>149153330 (OP)
Editors don't do their job

>>149159892
>>149154761

>>149157237
>lesbian couples report more past domestic abuse because they have more male ex-partners than straight couples do
ftfy

>>149164298
The ones pushing all this are pasty white libs, lil Timmy.

>>149158777
A lot more people read them for free. They shouldn't even do that. Even free is too expensive.

>>149164298
Why, my brother?

>>149153330 (OP)
Can I have the source for this shit

>>149166716
Fuck off newfag

>>149166827
No, spoonfeed me nigga.

>>149166944
You are a colossal fucking newfaggot (likely from twitter) if you don't know what it is or how to even search it
Fuck off

>>149166968
Meh, I found it while you were typing
Slow ass bitch

>>149154311
I'm noticing more and more that the BOLDED words in comics are often bolded incorrectly. Like, if you read the sentence aloud, the emphasis on the BOLDED words would sound wrong.

Do these writers really not read their own work to hear if the dialogue sounds human?

>>149165162
The domestic abuse rate for dykes is almost 50%. Not exactly surprising when both parties refuse to ever take accountability

>>149159931
Trump is a symptom of the illness, not the cure, the way a fever is a symptom of infection.

>>149165051

>>149153364
That reminds me of the "Unsolicited opinions" page.

>>149154311
Comic book writers aren't screenwriters though so I don't see how reading out the dialogue would help them not write shitty stuff

>>149164385
His daughter.

>>149164385
The reference to The Room gives it away. It should have stuck to plausible deniability.

>>149168982
Really?

>>149168653
Idiot.