Thinking that cool, badass or edgy stuff is "cringe" is one of the worst mindsets to invade modern western media and is a huge part of why modern media is so gay and retarded now.

Its gone beyond parody now. Even just something as adding a little bit of emotional depth or logically following through with the consequences of something established in a universe is considered "cringe and edgy teen fanfiction" stuff now. Where is all the cool, masculine shit in media now? Where's the bite? Where's the kick? Everything is so fucking bland.

In fact, I've even had a couple of people call a character or mine "edgy" for having emotional problems.

>Even just something as adding a little bit of emotional depth or logically following through with the consequences of something established in a universe is considered "cringe and edgy teen fanfiction" stuff now.
Name 5 examples

>>149167285
Pokémon fans not wanting Pokémon to have anything regarding how black market Pokémon selling would work or really any sort of Pokémon abuse stories. Any kind of world building, good writing or emotional depth.
Star Wars fans hating much of the same with people only wanting black and white morality stories. Safe and childish stories.
Tolkien fans and tradcath Christians invading hobbies such as anime, and other literature and hating on works like GRRM for their grey morality.
One Piece fans hating on fans that wanted Gear 5 to be more serious instead of cartoony and having tons of tonal whiplash. Luffy laughing as Vegapunk is impaled is one.

>>149167285
And I would like for you to actually address each of these in detail instead of some stupid handwavey green text.

Bump

I remember when I was 16 and wanted the things I liked as a younger kid to be dark and gritty instead of expanding my interests to find something appealing.

>>149167762
Cool. That has nothing to do with the thread.

>>149167429
You sound like a bitter edgelord who's ashamed to admit they like children's media.

>>149167911
Kids like edgy shit.

>>149167819
I think it sums up your attitude pretty succinctly, lil fella

>>149167911
So, to be clear, you see absolutely no problem with Gear 5 being an asspull that ruins the tone of the fights it's in and the fans strawmanning people who say that as edgelord's?
You have absolutely no problem with Star Wars fans hating on basic tenets of writing because they want to consume the same slop over and over and never let the franchise evolve?
You see no problem with Pokémon not exploring any facet of its world that could be considered dark and would logically follow if the world was set up like that?
All of the things I said are not "edgy". In any world made to feel real, these things should be happening.

>>149167975
No. That's not my argument
All you have to do is take shit to its logical conclusion (e.g. want to ditch school and stay with your Pokémon forever in the Pokémon world? Ok, you're alone with autistic creatures that think spitting fire is a suitable greeting, you only get bland poke-gruel for dinner, you sleep on the ground in the wilderness, you've got poke-mosquitoes trying to suck your blood while you sleep, entire herds of Pokémon who heard you can make Pokémon evolve and want to be your 'partners' to reach the next stage, etc.), and for humor you can make some running gag about an adult asking for the phone number of that cute girl who accompanies the group is, or some jokes like commercial Slowpoke tail farming

Adult doesn't necessarily mean dark, bloody, and edgy. It just means you can show more instead of being hamstrung by ratings.
>you can have stuff like abusive relationships between Pokémon and kids where it's the Pokémon that beats up the kid (basically a reverse Paul
>or glowies who carry out black ops for the sake of a new world order

>>149168102
Right, your argument is that franchises from your childhood aren't growing up with you and that's a bad thing. And those things should change to match your preferences, rather than you moving on to things that more closely follow your tastes.

>>149167975
No. That's not my argument
All you have to do is take shit to its logical conclusion (e.g. want to ditch school and stay with your Pokémon forever in the Pokémon world? Ok, you're alone with autistic creatures that think spitting fire is a suitable greeting, you only get bland poke-gruel for dinner, you sleep on the ground in the wilderness, you've got poke-mosquitoes trying to suck your blood while you sleep, entire herds of Pokémon who heard you can make Pokémon evolve and want to be your 'partners' to reach the next stage, etc.), and for humor you can make some running gag about an adult asking for the phone number of that cute girl who accompanies the group is, or some jokes like commercial Slowpoke tail farming

Adult doesn't necessarily mean dark, bloody, and edgy. It just means you can show more instead of being hamstrung by ratings.
>you can have stuff like abusive relationships between Pokémon and kids where it's the Pokémon that beats up the kid (basically a reverse Paul
>or glowies who carry out black ops for the sake of a new world order showing militaries and police abusing Pokémon to accomplish their goals
Literally nothing I said here is like that of an edgy teen wanting his franchises to grow up with guts, blood and swearing "lil fella" and the fact you think that it is shows more to immaturity on your part than it does me. Or, those teens you're dealing with have better standards for writing than you.

>>149168160
>Right, your argument is that franchises from your childhood aren't growing up with you and that's a bad thing.
Firstly, are you actually going to address anything I said or just continue pig-headedly ignoring everything and spouting off your retardation? Secondly, even though this isn't my argument, there is nothing wrong with a franchise made for younger people adapting to a more older and adult tone.
>Digimon
>Megaman
>Harry Potter
>Legend of Zelda
>Final Fantasy.
There are hundreds of other series that have followed this same path.

Now, with that being said, my argument is listed up above in complete detail. Are you going to actually address it or not?

>>149168239
I did. Your argument is exactly what I said it was. You're upset that some franchises you enjoyed as a kid didn't grow up with you. And the solution to that is to get over your arrested development and find something new to enjoy rather than demand things change to match your tastes.

>>149168270
So, no. You're not going to address it and instead retardedly continue to pig head your way through the argument, asserting that you've won. This is honestly sad.

To be more clear for you. Let me ask.

Do you think that wanting a franchise to have good writing is edgy teenager fanfiction tier shit? Or is it just the mindset of any rational person that cares about writing quality?

>>149168270
This isn't even addressing my overall broader point which was about how infantalized audiences and the fanbases of media have become where they don't want any degree of darkness or good writing. Your response to that is accusing me of being an "edgelord that wants their franchises to grow up". Which is a completely retarded strawman. So I'll ask again.
You see absolutely no problem with Gear 5 being an asspull that ruins the tone of the fights it's in and the fans strawmanning people who say that as edgelord's?
You have absolutely no problem with Star Wars fans hating on basic tenets of writing because they want to consume the same slop over and over and never let the franchise evolve?
You see no problem with Pokémon not exploring any facet of its world that could be considered dark and would logically follow if the world was set up like that?
All of the things I said are not "edgy". In any world made to feel real, these things should be happening.

>>149168169
I think you'd be a big Dorkly fan.

>>149168297
Maturity is not equivalent to quality. I don't think Pokemon has good writing but adding animal abuse stories and CIA spooks won't make it better. Good writing comes from good writers, not the "maturity" of its subject matter, or lack thereof.

>>149168350
Good writing is being self aware enough about your world to take things to its logical conclusion. A lot of fucked up things would happen under this mindset in something like the Pokémon. It has nothing to do with "maturity" or wanting a franchise to "grow up".

>>149168343
How about addressing any of my argument?

>>149168384
>Good writing is being self aware enough about your world to take things to its logical conclusion
what? Who told you that? That has nothing to do with good writing.

>>149168428
It is good writing. That way the concepts you introduce actually matter instead of it being frivolous set dressing. This is a problem that's present in a lot of science fiction and fantasy.

>>149168445
No, it isn't. Good writing has nothing to do with a 16-year-old stoner's "thought experiment" about how Pokemon would actually be pretty fucked up if you think about it, maaaaaaaaaaan.

>>149168526
Nice reductionism into strawman. Good writing is being self aware enough about your world to take things to its logical conclusion. Do you have a counter arguments to this?

>>149166938 (OP)
You live in a "everything masculin is bad, act more snide because thats a feminine trait" world anon. :) get used to it.

>>149168526
Furthermore, what does any of this drivel have to do with my overall point in this thread? Fanbases and creators becoming infantilized, strawmanning people as edgelord's who simply want good writing and how that overall leads to the shitty landscape of dumb, uninteresting media that lacks any bite to it?

>>149168600
you are ultimately conflating maturity with quality, which is self-defeating, and most of all retarded. I will now be closing this thread and allowing it to slide off the board because no one else seems interested in enough to engage.

Feel free to have the last word.

>>149168632
>you are ultimately conflating maturity with quality, which is self-defeating, and most of all retarded.
>Strawmans and then leaves
I knew you wouldn't be able to handle having this conversation in any intellectually honest way.

>>149167762
The entire point of the argument is that there is no longer media of this kind that is getting made.

>>149166938 (OP)
what's gay is making the same thread over and over like the mentally ill retard that you are

>>149168878
Because OP is trying to say that edgelords are mentally ill

>>149168890
Nothing of what I said was like that of an edgelord. There's barely any cool media that is being targeted towards males in the western media sphere.

>>149168592
That's the whole problem here. Gay people and women have taken over media creation.

OP is still yapping again?

>>149169066
>Blub Yapping lil bro
Can you talk like a human being?

>>149169107
Can you stop bitching and moaning about shit no one cares about?

>>149169162
People clearly do care about as evidenced by the countless amount of people repeating the same points that I've made multiple times on every social media platform.

>>149168969
Why do you hate edgelords, OP?

>>149169348
Nobody said that I hated edgelords. People keep on trying to strawman me as one. And I've listed off several cases of how people strawman anyone who wants good writing as an edgelord as well.

>>149169162
>>149167975
People have complained about media being sterilized garbage for a long time now.
Stuff for kids is horribly neutered nowadays
>no death or violence. no one gets hurt (no injuries, no broken bones, no near-death experiences). it often feels like there are no stakes
>no unhappy things like fighting and quarreling, jealousy, or divorces
>no jokes about any matters that can be considered remotely controversial (no harmless jokes like it's going to my thighs, no entered the wrong bathroom and got smacked scenes, etc.)
>no pondering on the deeper implications of worldbuilding (e.g. creatures that draw powers from bonding with humans and their emotions? I wonder if there's some faction that is farming kids and usimg them as batteries)
>dumb, stupid cartoon villains with shallow motivations that make no sense. only possible way to make it palatable is to lean heavily on comedy and pettiness (e.g. I'm a mad scientist because the scientific council didn't my scientist diploma when I graduated (turns out they just forgot), so now I'm going to erase it from the map. or I'm only in it for the villain cred to net me some hot chicks. alternatively, the villain thinks it looks good on his resume)
Of course, on the flipside, some adults crave sugary stuff like pretty cure to distract themselves from their shitty lives (and fill the gaping hole in their empty lives with merch)

>Entire thread proves OP's point immediately.

Reminder that OP spams this with minor tweaks repeatedly. It's kind of pointless to make a serious reply since this is pretty much just like an engagement bot that only gestures in extremely broad and superficial strokes.

>>149169402
>no death or violence. no one gets hurt (no injuries, no broken bones, no near-death experiences).
Teen Titans Go doesn't have this problem

>>149169562
Nice try OP

>>149169930
Actually, it does. A lot.

>>149167429
>Pokémon fans not wanting Pokémon to have anything regarding how black market Pokémon selling would work or really any sort of Pokémon abuse stories. Any kind of world building, good writing or emotional depth.
You never interacted with the Pokemon fanbase at all have you

>>149170219
Yes, I have. They're all emotionally stunted retards that don't want good writing. Remember how much hatred Black and White got back in the day for exactly that reason?

>>149166938 (OP)
You're an actual fucking loser and mental teenager. Get off.

>>149170574
It's bad to want cool things in media again and not the sanitized gay shit we get now?

Bump

>>149168847
people seem to like Andor but I guess that doesn't count for reasons.

>>149171046
>Only one example

>>149168878
Lol seething.

>>149169757
This guy is known as Moorefag and he's been making template threads like this for years now.

Bump

>>149166938 (OP)
/co/ is going to scream and cry about this post, but this is one of the rare times that OP is not wrong.

>>149173484
They already did scream and cry. Considering they immediately strawmanned the post.

>>149173484
They also refused to argue in good faith immediately as you can see by the first few posts.

>>149166938 (OP)
>Thinking that cool, badass or edgy stuff is "cringe"
imagine thinking cringe is cool
what a loser

>>149166938 (OP)
I dunno this might be a bit backlash from 2000s edge. That was legit cringe invading mainstream media. Like "LOOK, IT'S NOT FOR KIDS ANYMORE!"

>>149174698
That shit was mostly raw and cool. Nowadays everything is pussified and dumbed down.

>>149174149
>No argument

>>149174878
A fair bit of it was stupid bullshit like the Shadow the Hedgehog game or Super Paper Mario.