>>149192928 (OP)I realised Batman was a retarded faggot during the Mid-00s. But I literally never got the Joker hype. I could list 100 characters I care about more before I get to Joker. I only like Ledger's version because I liked Ledger as an actor and am nostalgic for the 00s. But yeah, both are retarded characters that I do not care for in any significant capacity. I still "like" Batman for the aesthetics though, so there's that.