Will rebirth be seen as more of a success than the new52 in 20yrs?

>>149204769 (OP)
>immediately fucked over by Johns and Bendis
No.

>>149204769 (OP)
nope
(a) didn't last as long
(b) not as much impact (e.g. titles, sales, etc.)

both will be viewed very much as NOT success in LESS than 20 years

>>149204769 (OP)
I don't understand DC continuity anymore. Do they still reboot like every 7 years or so?

>>149204769 (OP)
Rebirth was a decent enough course correction but it's basically over before it even starts. New 52 had some ass decisions and bad art, but you could some good runs here and there. More importantly though it was around longer and feels more like an era. The positive era of Rebirth was too short lived

>>149205209
They've gone the Marvel route of random standalone retcons that may or may not survive writer changes

>>149204769 (OP)
Rebirth was more of a return to form and saving DC from plummeting sales. It was fun while it lasted but New 52 had a greater impact for the time being. Funny enough that both were ruined by Didio.

>>149205310
>Marvel route
Wasn't Marvel the one that was supposed to have like an unbroken continuity since the 60s? When did they start doing that?

>>149204769 (OP)
No. There's only one good rebirth book Suicide Squad with Jim Lee doing five pages of art per issue.
Teen Titans was a tragedy
And Superman was fucked by the editors
And the cherry on top Tom King's Batman

>>149205483
that other anon has no idea what they're talking about. yes, DC keeps rebooting or introducing new status quo resets every once in a while, while Marvel is allergic to anything of that sort (even their big 2015 event ended with virtually zero changes except Miles moving over to main continuity)

>>149205230
>but you could some good runs here and there
like what?

>>149206097
See, that's what I though. Thanks Anon.

>>149205209
I'm already looking forward to the next one

>>149205209
More like every 2-3 years. Yesteryear's All In was their second relaunch since DiDio left the company.

>>149206466
but if we're counting relaunches Marvel is a worthy adversary

I don't think a lot of casual fans understand if or when it even happened.

>>149206111
Morrison's Action Comics
Batman Inc.
Azz and Chiang's Wonder Woman
Dial H
Animal Man
Swamp Thing
Resurrection Man
Frankenstein Agent of Shade
Resurrection Man
Demon Knights
All-Star Western
OMAC
Larfleeze
Threshold
JL 3000
The Phantom Stranger
Pak on Action Comics / Yang on Superman
Gotham Academy
Gotham by Midnight
Arkham Manor
Lemire's Green Arrow
Justice League United

>>149204769 (OP)
No. Rebirth was a band-aid to a self-inflicted wound that they immediately pulled off and the blood came gushing out.

>>149204769 (OP)

>>149204769 (OP)
Death Metal is seen as a bigger success than Rebirth is.

>>149207560
thanks!

I'm not entirely clear on what rebirth even was

>>149207892
funny, I just opened the thread to post the exact same fucking question: what even was Rebirth? what even constituted as Rebirth? I just know they somehow merged New 52 history with pre-Flashpoint history and... that's it? what even happened?

>>149207892
Rebirth was delusional superfags claiming DC is finally saved since New62 Superman and Lois were being killed off and replaced with "pre-Flashpoint" incarnations. Bendis was then hired and promoted to Superman writer and all things Superman.

>>149205002
Rebirth was Johns' way to gain some goodwill from the fans, then Didio hired Bendis because fuck the fans.

>>149208085
And now Didio is basically doing the Hot Dog Guy thing and saying that they basically lost a generation of comics readers

The damage BendIs did to the books he was given will be feel until the next reboot.

>>149206466
>More like every 2-3 years
Relaunches are not reboots.

>>149204769 (OP)
All DC comics after 2000 are the same: shit.

>>149207892
As far as I could tell at the time, it wasn't an actual reboot - the universe is still the one created by the events of Flashpoint that we know as the New 52 - but just kind of a tacit admission that the New 52 sucked and books were going to resemble the old status quo more going forward. But also New 52 Superman died.

>>149208317
It was also a huge retcon that introduced Dr. Blueballs into the main DCU.

>>149208349
Oh yeah, I'd managed to block that out.

>>149207957
I still can't believe they let Bendis essentially fucking murder Jon. Super Sons was one of the few things that people liked about that entire era, and they just let Bendis off him?
What the fuck was that about?

>>149207892
It was Johns hitting the undo button on New 52 because it was such a mess and sales disaster at the time. Things were either reversed or certain comics tackled undoing things their way. And some New 52 changes carried over but most of it was thrown out. That's why the Rebirth teaser was "It's not a reboot and it never was."

>>149205209
No one does, not even the writers and the editors.

couldn't they think of a better fucking storyline to merge pre- and post-Flashpoint histories other than "New 52 Superman dies and then his essence is absorbed by pre-Flashpoint Superman who was hanging around all this time and this merger all of a sudden fixed all the New 52 changes"

>>149209111
I thought they fused?

>>149209194
fused, absorbed, merged, whatever. why is the combination event of two variants of some random fuckin Kryptonian suddenly causing universe-wide ramifications to the timeline

>>149207892
Because Rebirths changes didn't happen in Rebirth. It all wend down in Superman comics.
>Convergence caused pre flashpoint Superman and Lois to arrive in the new 52 when the JL fought Darkseid for the first time.
>New 52 Superman dies and Lex who had reformed became Superman
>Pre flashpoint Clark throws a fit and reveals himself to the world
>New 52 JL are weirded out by him
>He saves Myxlplyx who then merges the pre and post flashpoint timelines together into the complete cluster fuck that is Rebirth just so the weirdness isn't there.

>>149207957
It's astounding just how much damage one person can do. And weirder how DC thought this was gonna be a big win for them when he was already old hat by the time they got him. I remember seeing that message and reading it as a threat.

>>149204769 (OP)
tasty!

>>149209671
Don't forget Doomsday Clock and The Button.

>>149209724
It was a threat from Didio. I am glad that bald fuck got kicked out.

>>149208445
Warner kicked out Johns over the JL movie and scrambled to find a new "the comic book guy". WB execs are normies and believed the "Marvel Super Star Brian Michael Bendis" grift. After Bendis they went to Scott Snyder... now DC is directionless.

>>149207560
Batman Inc was fucking kneecapped by the New 52

bump

>>149204769 (OP)
bendis ruined it so no

surprised that rebirth is getting so much hate, when it was coming out /co/ wouldn't stop saying good things about it

>>149210674
Rebirth was getting hate when it first came out. Some claim it wouldn't last. Some mourned the lost of Superbro. A few didn't like how they fused Pre-Flashpoint and Post-Flashpoint Superman and Lois Lane together. But it was being drowned out by certain fans that was zealously claiming Rebirth was great and confident that DC finally course corrected themselves. Bendis then got hired, Super Sons and Supergirl solo cancelled, and Jon got aged up.

>>149204769 (OP)
Rebirth gave us New Super-Man so it's A-okay by me

>>149210762
At least here it wasn't

>>149210674
For a moment things were good, too good to last.

>>149210674
Because Rebirth like DC Comics was an empty promise.

DC said they would get their shit together and respect their characters.

Instead they went back on everything and now things are even worse than the New 52.

At this point, the only thing DC deserves is bankruptcy.

>>149210674
/co/ will turn on anything. Most anons don't even realize the Rebirth banner went away and Didio was setting up 5G with Johns gone. Rebirth was DC at its best in decades but it didn't matter if the people writing and editing don't keep it going.

>>149208203
shhh
the marvel shills keep losing hundreds of thousands and even millions on their shitty movies and tv shows, give them this little thing

>>149212041
What?

>>149208231
Not all.

>>149207860
Death Metal unironically killed all hype DC had going forward

I've been thinking for a while now how weird it is Superman has a convoluted explanation for why nu52 Superman is different and post Crisis Superman is back but Batman never changed and I don't know what's up with nu52 vs post Crisis vs current Wonder Woman.

And that's just the trinity

>>149209671
totally intelligible and not confusing at all

>>149212041
>company shilling in the big 2025
ngmi

what was Doomsday Clock even about?

>>149205209
No one understands DC continuity. Waid recently in his mini-series relegated to “correcting” the continuity was exposed on Twitter for finding information from fan sites. The last time someone understood DC continuity was when Wolfman before Crisis read through the entirety of the DC archives to understand the scope of the story he was writing. And that was 40 years ago.

>>149215486
Allegedly it was supposed to be canon and bring about changes like bringing back the JSA but stuff happened and it was kind of not canon. So it's just some weird story that brings in the Watchmen characters and amounted to nothing.

>>149215965
Wait, it's no longer canon?

Dan didio is just as bad as sana amanat joe Q axel alanso tom brevort Kathleen Kennedy combined the only reasons he didn’t get one percent of the backlash is the western comics fans are some of the biggest cucks on earth, he’s erroneously seen as right wing friendly evs and the rest of nucomicsgate shill him and with the cg movement forming while he temporarily dethroned by johns during rebirth and when he got back power he immediately tried to turn dc into his prior crap combined with anad marvel that got alanso fired even re- staffing dc with those people like bendis until he got fired which killed move the needle leading the mess that is 2020’s dc the big mistake was giving him a free pass

>>149216388
Between delays and what seems like office politics, it being canon has always been unclear.

>>149213934
I still struggle to remember that Dark Nights: Metal and Dark Nights: Death Metal are two different things. That whole Marvel-expy line was born from the first, and I liked most of those books, but it gets lumped in my mind with the utter dogshit that is Death Metal.

>>149215965
>>149216388
The events of Doomsday Cock were referenced in mainline books (the latest one being Waid’s History of DC mentioning the Superman Project). It’s canon.

>>149216444
Is it confirmed that 5G (where the popular superheroes would be replaced by “legacy” ones that were primarily brown and queer, e.g. Jon for Superman, Duke for Batman, the black woman GL for Hal, etc.) was Didio’s 500 IQ play to have it purposefully bomb so he could convince WB execs to never allow legacy and diversified characters back on the mainline books again?

>>149216563
It's amazing lasted so long as EiC

>>149216563
That’s what people guess he’s just an agenda driven corrupt hack more so than all those people I mentioned combined who get backlash from people like evs yet give him a few pass

>>149216928
That’s because there was never a fan revolt movement that went against him cg became controlled opposition by his shills like evs

>>149216563
How fucking retarded you have to be to think something so dumb is going to work in your favor?

>>149204769 (OP)
Already is.

new52 superman is boring besides rag morales stuff, greg pak stuff (this one si controversial), aaron kuder and that american alien mini.

>>149217245
I liked Superbro

>>149216531
it’s funny because Metal sounded like retarded Batwank on paper but ended up being compelling and interesting, whereas Death Metal sounded like a generic DC multiverse plot but ended up being abysmal

>>149216563
DiDio is too retarded for that

I hate Didiot so much

>>149216563
the desperate push to make Yara the new WW was so funny I'll never forget how quickly that fell apart

>>149217205
Well given what happened to DC when Didio was in control of it?

>>149216531
Metal: Invasion of the Bat-people
Death Metal: everything about Metal amplified to an obnoxious degree

>>149219080
No character from 5G really stuck

>>149210674
I have never liked mainline DC or Marvel.

>>149221713
Why?

>>149222348
Most of it isn't good or interesting, it's weighed down by prior baggage, too much reliance on an assembly line process, editorial meddling, and shared universe nonsense.
What I have liked have been exceptions.

>>149213952
Basically everything that happened to Wonder Woman in The New 52 was a magical halucination.

>>149225207
Finch and Rucka are hacks. After Finch retconned Azz's run, Rucka retconned Finch's run. Think another writer eventually retconned Rucka's run.

>>149204769 (OP)
Retarded

>>149216553
Bummer.

>>149220437
I liked Jon Kent and Aquawoman desu, Jo being the leader was retarded though

>>149220437

One of the biggest problems with 5G was that it wasn't a bunch of characters who exist and have fanbases taking over it was a bunch of new characters. Like promote the Titans, promote the Young Justice kids, why are you trying to launch of a bunch of OCs

>>149226476
Why push characters like and care about and want to see when you can force your new OC trashfire and get royalties!

>>149204769 (OP)
In terms of sales it WAS more successful. That's an objective fact.

>>149204769 (OP)
it always will be

>>149216928
Because fans didn’t grow a pair stop being cucks shutdown all the agenda driven shill plants and actually protect these established ips, by getting people like didio fired, of course manga took over they know to gatekeep and protected their establishment you needed to have done something to fight back

>>149226561
Where are the figures?