>DEI
>Beanmouth
>gay shit

None of that is the point. The real reason why Elio is flopping is simple: The general public is tired of 3d animated movies. In fact I feel like we are nearing the end of animated movies in theaters, they are going away like musicals and westerners have gone.
Let me explain it further, even movies considered innovative like spider-verse, puss in boots 2, the bad guys and turtles mayhem don't do that well in the box office. You'd think these movies are gigantic hits by the discourse surrounding them but the reality is, they don't do that much better than Pixar flops. They may not be considered flops by the studio because of their cheaper cost but let's see only the actual box office, which reflects how many people actually saw these movies

First lets establish Pixar flops as the parameter
>Cars 3:
Box office: $383.9 million

>The good dinosaur
Box office: $332.2 million

>lightyear
Box office: $226.4 million

>>149238926 (OP)
Inside Out 2 and Mario melted face at the box office THOUGH
Zootopia 2 and Frozen 3 probably will as well. Disney will be pushing maximum hype on those

Now let's see the box office of the movies the public consider innovative, creative, a breath of fresh air, movies loved by the public

>The bad guys
Box office: $250.4 million

>Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse
Box office $394 million

>Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles: Mutant Mayhem
Box office: $180.5 million

>Puss in Boots: The Last Wish
Box office: $484.3 million

>Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse
Box office: $690.8 million

As you can see only ONE of these movies isn't close to the Pixar flops. People are not tired of the "pixar bean mouth style" they are tired of animated 3d movies PERIOD.
The only 3d animated movies that turn out a profit are either Pixar sequels or illumination slop.

I think it is time to face the cold hard truth, 3d movies are not impressive anymore, they were a product of their time, I remember being a kid and seeing finding nemo at the theater and being blown away by it, no person born after 2005 will feel the way I felt it is just impossible, 3d movies and characters are a common thing nowadays, they didn't grow up with things like Jimmy Neutron, good looking 3d is a common thing to them.

There is no fixing this movie, there is no fixing the style, there is no innovation that can save 3d movies, it is just over, they were a product of their time and now they are slowly going away

>>149238949
YOU DIDN'T LET ME FINISH YOU SHIT

>>149238926 (OP)
>The general public is tired of 3d animated movies
No, I think its the:
>DEI
>Beanmouth
>gay shit
I am a father, and nothing about that film would ever make me take my child to go see it. It's not the that were tired of 3D animated movies.

>>149239258
I hope to god your kids are never forced to come out to you. loser

>>149238926 (OP)
Beanmouth is an indicator for gay and lame shit. People judged it based on that.

>>149239346
he has kids and you don’t lol

>>149238926 (OP)
Sounds like you just want to control the narrative. No one would want to see a 2D movie about DEI Beanmouth gay stuff, either.
>>149239346
Don't worry. He'll keep them away from propaganda and predators so they never have to.

>>149239346
Cry about it tranny

why are pixar movies so stupidly costly
i have a hard time wrapping my head about that shitty dinosaur movie. there's no why that thing costed 300 million bucks

>>149238957
>I remember being a kid and seeing finding nemo at the theater and being blown away by it
Can't relate. I remember when they first started the switch and everyone, kid or adult, said they hated it and just wanted to see more 2D cel animation. No one's ever liked the change, it's just been forced on everyone so the execs can make more money.

>>149238926 (OP)
In the future all movie will be ai generated and nothing will matter anymore and people will watch slop and like it

>>149239403
>>149239383


why don't people see these movies then >>149238957

?

>>149238926 (OP)
I liked Elio. Maybe it's just because I've always been a space nerd. I'd prefer Pixar make movies like that instead of Toy Story 7.

>>149239425
Tied everything to big tech, which turned into a money sink.

>>149239429
>remember when they first started the switch and everyone, kid or adult, said they hated it and just wanted to see more 2D cel animation
Very few people said this, and I say this as someone who's always preferred 2D and lamented the death of it in theatrical animation.
The sentiment was that you could just watch 2D animation at home, 3D was the novelty everyone was going to see, because they wanted to see celebrities talking as the horrible three dimensional homunculi.
They kept trying to release 2D films, some were boring but even the worst weren't as bad as he dregs we'd see from 3D in the 2000's that still made more money.

You guys are missing the point of the thread, if it is the beanmouth that keeps people away how come these >>149238957 movies, brings just just as much people to the theater?

>>149238926 (OP)
>Another thread
FUCK OFF!

>>149239445
All of those movies aren't gay bean mouth shit and did better than elio at the moment regardless of them not passing 500 million or up.

>>149239445
> Bad Guys
Dumb subversion tale. Hoodwinked: the next generation. People like genuine, straight forward stories.
> Spider-Verse
Threw away beloved character to replace with diversity hire. No one has ever liked this.
> TMNT
Millionth sequel to a franchise that's not super popular. Also replaced beloved legacy character with diversity hire. No one has ever liked this. Also had weird plot problems from what I remember.
> Puss in Boots
(Much too late) Sequel to a Spinoff of a franchise who's last installment was ill-receved. Also subversion tale (no action, PTSD! No romance, hereo bad!) People like genuine, straightforward stories.
> Spider-Verse 2: Electric Jigaboo!
Threw away beloved character (again) to replace with TWO diversity hires. Also crapped on his character majorly. No one has ever liked this.

It's gotten to the point where we've eclipsed all normal media and everything from the last decade or so has the same plot and problems.

>>149239514
what about the good dinosaur, it is also bean mouth

Lightyear bombed because it had a shit script and bad advertising. It being 3D made no difference: nobody was asking to see Buzz's origin story and the 'this is the movie Andy saw' was a dumb way to loosely tie it to Toy Story.

The only weak movie in your little list is TMNT because it looked ugly, and the TMNT fanbase isn't all that big. Only fans of TMNT went to see that movie, everyone else didn't.

It's not "omg 3D animation is dead" it's Elio was just a weakass movie put up against F1, Mission Impossible, L&S and other heavy-hitters. This movie would'e done better in the fall and winter, not right in the middle of Jurassic Park of all things.

>>149239473
Not my experience. Everyone I knew was against it. Even my grandparents said they thought kids movies were dumb now after they started seeing the new trailers.

>>149239534
regardless of what you think these movies have been praised by being original and a breath of fresh air from pixar/disney usual 3d style, yet, they barely make more money than pixar flops, this is my point, it is 3d animation as a whole that is getting unpopular -not just pixar or "bean mouth" style

>>149239544
>The only weak movie in your little list is TMNT because it looked ugly, and the TMNT fanbase isn't all that big

Not really, all these movies were "weak" by pixar standards, if pixar had released them and this was the box office they would be considered flops, this is what i'm trying to get you guys to understand, the movies that are considered successful in reality are not that successful

>>149239534
>No one has ever liked this.
No one on /co/ that is.

>>149239258
Same here. Two adorable daughters. There's a threshold when it comes to content. There's no reason in the world to take them to a gay movie or a movie made for blacks for instance.
If it's just a wholesome adventure and it looks fun I'll overlook a degree of trash. But generally, those are red flags you can see in the trailer of worse content in the movie.
We just watched Anastasia, loved it

>>149239557
All critic reviews are bought and paid for. This has already been known forever:
https://www.wired.com/story/paid-reviews-books-movies-gadgets/
>>149239608
No one likes it.

>>149239623
Good man. Especially today you have to be ever-vigilant. You never know when a piece of media, even if geared towards children, is going to sneak in some weird cuck joke, atheist tirade, or some other subversive idea that will effect their impressionable minds.

>>149239655
>No one likes it.
Sure, Jan.

>>149239547
Unfortunately anon, that's an anecdote. At the box office, people were choosing 3D.

>>149238926 (OP)
>Inside Out 2
Box office: $1.7 billion

>Ne Zha 2
Box office: $2.2 billion

OP you are truly retarded but hey you got me to reply

>>149239707
Those are clearly outliers, strange world made like 70 million, the extremes go both ways.

>>149239678
Yours is also an ancedote, dumbass. They very quickly switched to producing solely 3D movies, it's not like there were competing 2D and 3D movies for years. We briefly saw some experimental ones like Atlantis and Treasure Planet and then it turned into only 3D.

>>149239678

>>149238957
Absolute numbers matter way, WAY less than return on investment. If we use 2.5x budget as the rule of thumb for breakeven, and even use HIGH budget reports

>The Bad Guys
$250.4M on an $80M budget, $50.4M profit

>Spider-Man: Into the Spider-Verse
$394M on a $90M budget, $169M profit

>TMNT
$180.5M on a $70M budget, $5.5M profit

>Puss in Boots: The Last Wish
$484.3M on a $110m budget, $209.3M profit

Meanwhile Lightyear?
$226.4M on a $200M budget. $273.6M LOSS

Now I hope you can understand a little more why these are successful and good for studios to continue making even though the absolute numbers are lower. Risk/reward is totally different if you're spending a mere $30M on a Paw Patrol movie and it brings in $200M+

>>149238926 (OP)
>ignore widespread problems, animation is dead because my extremely astroturfed bad styles didn't get overrated enough :(
China and Worst Korea will eat you retards for breakfast, like they're already doing in other media.

>>149239786
>The extremes go both ways
>Guys just ignore the really good things and the really bad things, then everything is kinda in the middle! Amazing point I'm making right?

>>149238926 (OP)
Fuck 3D animation! Nuff said!

>>149239818
I'm not interessed in studio profits, i'm interessed in how many people actually saw the movie, I dont care about budget and profit. The numbers show that besides lightyear, a pixar flops bring as many people to the theater as puss in boots 2

>>149239346
Why are you guys so interested in what parents do?
Kinda weird, but then again you miserable amebas can't breed.

>>149239831
That is how you measure trends, yes.

>>149239841
Then you're an idiot. Lower marketing spends bring in fewer people. The budget and studio expenditure is the direct cause of what you're observing, not "People don't care about animated movies."
Marketing gets people into cinemas, but effective marketing takes a crazy amount of money. You're just arguing backwards from your presupposition and reaching the wrong conclusion because you're purposely ignoring what actually happened.

>>149239850
No, you're mixing up anomalous data points in a large statistical base with something like 20% of the data. Like the fucking pseud you are

>>149238926 (OP)
Nah it's flopping because parents don't wanna take their families to see woke shit.
This era of you guys forcing this and guilt tripping is over.
They have standards unlike you.

>>149239789
No it's not anon, there were 5 solid years of 2D competing with 3D and almost all the 2D features underperformed. We still had a few 2D movies after that until 2009.
Many of these 2D movies were bad, and Princess and the Frog having a black princess probably killed a lot of it's chances. But so many more 3D movies were even worse and turning a profit.

>>149238957
>movies loved by the public
lol what? You're terminally online if you think these are >loved by the public just because they're loved by twitter and reddit

>>149239853
You are the ones pulling numbers of your ass, the "2.5x budget rule" is not a rule, you have no idea how much mobey was spent on marjeting any of these movies

>>149239882
>a bloo bloo bloo industry standard estimate formula used for decades is from your ass
ok anon

>>149239863
Can you use a trip so I can filter you, also stop attaching kare kano and nadia pics to your awful posts

>>149239890
It is not a industry standard, you heard it from red letter media and you are parroting it like a the drone you are

>>149239544
Production troubles didn't help as well. RELEASING next to Lilo and Stich didn't help either. Disney cannibalized its own movie, didn't market it for jack (didn't even know McDonalds was doing a tie-in with the movie till I went to a MD) and I STILL see ads for Stitch, despite the fact it came out a month prior.

>>149239882
What's your point? You can clearly observe from how the studios talk about these that they've been successful (and in most if not all cases are going to get [further] sequels), so it's clearly accurate enough to make the point. You hiding behind >y-y-y-you don't know that from reported figures tho!! just looks like desperate goalpost shifting after your argument got demolished by profitability and marketing budget mattering way more than absolute numbers

>>149239904
You have to be over 18 to post here, small boy whose whole frame of reference is Youtubers

>>149239934
My argument was never sbout profits or budgets, im only talking about how many people actually saw the movie and the only relieable number we have to estimate that is box ofice, YOU are moving to goalposts because you are such a dumb fuck you cant keep it on topic

>>149239949
Im not the one parroting a thing only youtubers have ever said, no one in the industry uses or have ever mentioned this made up shit

>>149239962
Again, people go to see the movie as a direct result of marketing, so the more you spend, ie the higher the budget, the more people go. Retard

>>149239893
Nobody cares, everyone else is posting weeb shit in other threads

>>149239975
If you really think only youtubers use the 2.5x rule of thumb, you are indeed either a stupid little boy or incredibly undereducated about the movie business. Do the barest modicum of research and you'll see how common that is way beyond youtubers. Please make a little more effort before running your dumbass mouth

>>149239962
Anon I hate to butt in but the more companies spend on advertising (billboards and bus ads and tv and Internet ads) the more publicity you get the more people you get interested.
And it seems Elio had that and people still didn't show up.
Also the fact for the movie failing again is because normies are sick of the woke nonsense (I hate the word woke but how the fuck else am I gonna describe it?)
REMEMBER!
The audience has spoken and they don't want this shit anymore and calling them homophobic or racist or whatever isn't gonna work anymore.

>>149240011
Anon don't start!
Remember! It's only ragebait, don't give them the time of day.

>>149240034
>source: trust me

*hides post*
Not reading that

>>149239975
My dude, this is a rule of thumb that has been repeated since at least the 80s. It's in the Washington Post article Hollywood in the 80s - a Boffo Business Rolls on, March 25, 1989.
I guess your beloved youtubers are time travelers though

>>149240037
How did they even mess up this bad?

>>149240052
Source: fucking every time any publication talks about this shit. Chiefly Deadline but definitely not only. Kid, do you really think people here can't just google it and see in 2 seconds you're wrong?

>>149240070
Millennial women.
It's quite simple Anon, they're so miserable that they have to insert their insecurities into cartoons and films because they're too retarded to go to therapy like a normal person.
These people are rich and have no actual life experiences, they never experienced hardships or anything.

>>149239893
>no stop posting weeb shit on the weeb site!
no one asked gringo

>>149240084
>Trusting google.

>>149239893

The animation industry really has to not be based in affluent California, or at the very least hire people who aren’t from there, in order to be good again.
For an industry constantly patting itself on the back for being inclusive they sure only like go tell stories from the perspective of Los Angeles people who aren’t open to the stories of literally anyone outside the bubble.

>>149238926 (OP)
All I care about is if there are any waifus to jack off to. Is there?

>>149240272
What a sad life you live.

>>149240285
Nigger all he asked was is there was any thicc bitches to splooge to.

>>149240296
He can't answer because there aren't any, so he's attacking instead.

>>149238926 (OP)
Well if people are sick of 3D, then movies like The Day the Earth Blew Up should have made more money in the box office but didn't...

>>149239874
What are you talking about? They did not underperform and there's multiple documented resources about when and why they switched to 3D up to and including the documentary: "Dream On, Silly Dreamer" where all of the Disney Animation staff give personal interviews about the "Tom Meeting" where they were told that 3D was cheaper to produce and required less staff, so they were laying off a majority of the department and exclusively making 3D movies from now on.

>>149240165
This is the problem exactly. On top of that if they hire people who don't live in Los Angeles you won't get all this nonsense complaining about how making $50/hr is "slave labor!"

No, you just live in the stupidest place on the planet that's not NYC.
>>149240272
No, it's their first gay male character and his Aunt looks like a monkey.

>>149238926 (OP)
It's flopping because it looks super bland and generic. That's it. All you faggots bending over backwards to blame diversity and gay boogeymen
are out of touch with kids and genral audiences.

>>149239863
>he says while posting anime for faggots

>>149240272
how's this?

>>149238926 (OP)
Meh, that is very fake review. Nice try....

ELIO IS FUCKING WINNER! THAT IS BEST PIXAR IN THE WORLD! THAT IS AMAZING!!! FIVE OUT OF FIVE STARS!

>>149238926 (OP)
Inside Out 2 made 1.6 billion
That Chinese film made of 2 billion
Animation is selling as well as it ever has. People want both known IPs and actually appealing films.
Elio is neither

>>149238957
Hey retard those movies were made for a fraction of the budget the pixar films were

>>149240037
>Anon I hate to butt in
Yet you still do, while avatarfagging with crappy anime for little girls.

>>149238926 (OP)
As a teacher, I will say that you may be on to something. My students are either watching live action remakes (because animation is baby shit) or anime (because Japan is cool). There's no interest in 3D movies in the general target audience (unless its the autistic kids who got fixated on something).

>>149238926 (OP)
>even movies considered innovative like spider-verse, puss in boots 2, the bad guys and turtles mayhem don't do that well in the box office.
Spiderverse made 600 million and Inside out made a billion...

I think people are seriously underestimating the number of people who just don’t take their kids to the cinema any more because it’s too fucking expensive. Much more cost effective just to pay for Disney+ and wait until movies show up on there. The same thing that’s killing family films at the box office is the same thing that killed off retail shopping.

>>149239789
>Yours is also an ancedote, dumbass.
Do you not know what that word means? You bringing up your family is meaningless when talking about general public and documented box office numbers.
>some experimental ones like Atlantis and Treasure Planet
Not experimental, just some mediocre adventure movies.

>>149239623
>We just watched Anastasia, loved it

Your daughters will become bisexual.

I don't mind beanmouth. In fact it can be quite charming when done well. But I associate a certain type of creator with that style, and I suspect I'm not alone in this.
It has baggage, like problem glasses for Karens. Obviously it's not always true, but the perception is there. Ironically we have a caricature based on caricature.

>>149239623
More have seen Spiderverse then that shitty wannabe Disney movie that Don made out of jealousy.

>>149238926 (OP)
So much negativity of such an irrelevant product. Considering how much it flopped I doubt that any of the reviewers watched it, considering they caused a Velma Season 2 back then.

>>149242430
Flies, shit, etc.

>>149242487
Nice way to describe your family

>>149242572
You must be confused, I'm not Sony staff.

I agree with OP. 3D CGI shitfests are by definition slop and i never watched a single one of them. Not a single goddamn one. it was always a gimmick introduced to cut costs. Notice how anime never betrayed itself and is thus going strong. Only 2D animation is real animation.

>>149238926 (OP)
The parents of really small kids prefer to wait for it to come out on streaming, and the audience of older kids is getting cannibalized by live-action PG-13 movies.

>>149242645
You. I like you. I wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

The best part is the MC is male and his race is white/nebulous so the bluehairs can't even use sexism/racism as an excuse.

>>149242645
Anime uses 3d backgrounds and assets and does have 3D series you stupid newnigger fuckup

>>149238926 (OP)
Westerns went away because literally EVERYONE was doing them because they were well recieved. Then other types of movies were made, and those did well because they weren't in an oversaturated genre. Hollywood just keeps following trends and oversaturating the latest trendy genre, then moving on. For instance: superhero movies.

>>149238926 (OP)
Are you really this stupid or are you just messing around?

>>149242863
No, he really does think people don't wanna see Spiderverse and that they'd rather watch Atlantis: the lost empire.

>>149242385
>>149242356
>>149242674
Finally some anons who are getting my point. For the tenth time, i'm not talkimg about profit, i'm talking about how many people are actually seeing these movies and the truth is that spiderverse 1 brought as many people to the theather as cars 3. Word of mouth made spiderverse 2 be an actual hit but even then, it is not much bigger than a movie like elementals, I think the audiecefor 3d animated movies is shrinking as a whole. Of course you'll have your outliers like inside out 2 making 1.6 billion, but you have outliers in the other end too like Strange World only makimg 70 million. At the end of the day, on average, an original movie like the bad guys bring as much people to the theater as a pixar flop.
I'm not counting illumination slop here because I think those movies are basically tiktok shorts in movie form and only small toddlers watch it

>>149239258
>>149239623
I don’t have kids, but I do have a lot of nieces, nephews, and kid cousins. The vast majority of the content they watch is anime and TV shows on streaming services or even YouTube, not even new releases, they even watch anime from the 90's. The only real kid I know who watches a Western cartoon is a niece who loves Miracle Ladybug, but she also watches mostly shoujo shows and views ML as one.

>>149239921
>didn't even know McDonalds was doing a tie-in with the movie till I went to a MD
What is the normal way to find out a movie has a mcdonalds tie in, besides going to a mcdonalds and seeing it there?

>>149242717
>his race is white/nebulous
He's clearly some sort of brown, anon. That is not a white kid.

>>149238926 (OP)
>>149238957
Girls like romance and fashion, and boys like Action and Violence. Literally every market study of demographics and common sense shows this. None of these movies had these elements, so people weren't interested.

>>149243302
>bad guys, spiderverse, tmnt, puss in boots don't have action
the fuck?

>>149243373
As for the animation, they are all very impressive and competent, I won't deny that, but you will never see any of the "battleboard" culture that you see with characters that are actually popular with young men. No one is debating who would win a fight.

>>149240564
>Well if people are sick of 3D, then movies like The Day the Earth Blew Up should have made more money in the box office but didn't...
but they did go to see Kimetsu no yaiba mugen train, it made 500 million dollars, the only movie listed in this thread that made more is spiderverse 2.

>>149243604
So people like 3D and anime anon

>>149243623
mugen train is 2d

>>149243671
I said anime

>>149238926 (OP)
Has anyone else noticed recent Pixar movies will have a lot of shots with this really saturated and ugly blue/purple/pink color palette? I feel like their movies are starting to have less variance in color.

Elio should have been 2d animation. The style lends itself to 2d better. I think people are clamoring for more traditional stuff. Especially since Pixar had been know for technologically pushing the envelope, but with movies like this, you don't feel that. Every character looks flat

>>149239346
Kill yourself, faggot.

>>149239346
Why would he molest his own children?

>>149240564
The Day the Earth Blew Up was in a limited amount of theatres compared to proper film releases and even then it was only around for a week or so. Of course it wasn't going to make much money.

>>149238957
Only Puss in Boots was good

>>149238926 (OP)
Can they make some more movies about dudes having miife crisises? They were kino and I appriciate them more every day.

>>149238926 (OP)
>DEI
>Beanmouth
Literally nobody in the real world uses these terms.

>>149243954
shut up DEI beanmouth faggot, you lack of aura and reddit gold

>>149240165
>>149240660
Animation will never leave big expensive cities simply because The Money People live in those cities and they're the ones ponying up the money.
Entertainment bosses do not want remote labor. They want workers in places close to their commute. They aren't paying money for someone in the midwest to work on something , even if it's perfectly reasonable and viable these days. You're also more likely to be hired and kept if people are interacting with you in person.

>>149238926 (OP)
toy story will gladly blow all of that bean mouth faggot shit out of the water

>>149243822
This whore is a radical feminist, so I don't know why she is pretending to give a fuck, her diseased mind probably celebrates this as "male infighting"

>>149244064
I follow her, she is not a radical feminist, but she is a Right-Wing Marxist

>>149243261
An actual ad on a video or a commercial. I saw ads for Disney tie-ins all the time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-Xn635Tqbk

Woke this, beanmouth that. It didn't perform well because it just looks lame, simple as that

>>149244207
Why did it look lame?

>>149238926 (OP)
Let's not forget the stupid eyepatch and the fact that there is nothing about Glordon that looks remotely kind, heartwarming and lovable. Look at the rows of fierce-some teeth. The tongue that is reaching toward Elio. It doesn't have eyes so you inherently can't trust it because you can't read it's intent. That's frightening. Children wouldn't want that.

>>149238957
You deliberately failed to account for the fact that theaters are still limping after the pandemic and basically, the only movies anyone is going to right now are the ones that everyone is going to.
After the pandemic it was Tenet and Godzilla Vs Kong, then it was Barbenheimer, then it was Mario and Wicked, Minecraft, etc
These were all like, movies where people went for a specific reason
>Godzilla was as we were all coming out of the pandemic and there was a general sense of wanting to go to everything we missed out on
>Tenet was like "Yeah weird Christopher Nolan movie!"
>Barbenheimer was a big social event where everyone went to "do a Barbenheimer". It was a social thing
>Mario, Sonic, et cetera bolstered by the general idea of whether or not there'd be a genuinely good faithful vidya adaptation
>Obnoxious theatre kid singalong
>CHICKEN JOCKEY
The stuff that's doing well right now are mostly the medium budget films that can get their budgets back easier

>>149244064
A child is dead from the result of sexual assault and you're offended at the person posting the faces of the men responsible. This is how you respond to truth. How can you sleep at night?

>>149244207
It failed because of both Anon, if that wasn't the case news sites wouldn't be seething over it.
You see one side blames wokeness and the other side blames racism and homophobia or whatever ism.
Neither side trusts Disney now, and that's worse than pandering to either side.
Audiences saw the designs and thought "oh another movie that's gonna lecture to me about gay shit" and made a decision to simply not see it.
It's just the film's plot was fucking boring and normies saw and just decided to not see it. And blaming "homophobes" for it failing is not a valid excuse.

>>149240285
So that's a no on Elio providing the most basic function to get audiences--families--in seats? No female lover interest or boy-girl romance. Same as why similar projects homosexual projects like Luka utterly failed. Check.

>>149242335
>best pixar movie in years
so you agree not only is it shit but the bar has been lowering for a while now? intriguing

>>149239623
this got me kind of curious about what Don Bluth is up to, as a kid I really liked that and Titan a.e. and Sinbad which I think he had a hand in. I know they didn't do that well commercially but there was an active push to kill stuff off that wasn't CGI in the late 90s so makes sense enough.

>>149238926 (OP)
>None of that is the point. The real reason why Elio is flopping is simple: The general public is tired of 3d animated movies.

Ah yes, the Corporate Shill excuse, "the general public is tired of [blank]"

>>149240644
>3D was cheaper to produce and required less staff,
which is to say, 2D underperformed relative to what they were getting out of 3D.
If 2D movies were doing well enough to justify the costs and 3D wasn't doing so well, we would not be in this situation.

>>149244460
oh, don't be so disingenuous, the answer is that the animators formed unions and the overseers found a way to work around them. try being less obvious in the future Mr Zaslav

>>149239429
>No one's ever liked the change
actual autism

>>149244527
Chicken Little made $314.4 million worldwide and that movie was terrible

>>149244032
toy story is a sequel, doesn't really count, I do wonder if toy story 1 came out today how well received it would be, I honestly think it would flop

>>149238957
>>149238926 (OP)
literally all they have to do is not hire a-list celebrities to voice every character and all those movies would've been profitable

>>149238926 (OP)
>DEI
>Beanmouth
>gay shit
All true

>>149238926 (OP)
>DEI
>Beanmouth
>gay shit
All true, they even had to make it less gay after test audiences straight up told they won't ever pay to see the movie

>>149239258
>>149238926 (OP)
Neither of those reasons are mutually exclusive, people are sick and gay and woke in their cartoons but also even if it didn't have that, I doubt I'd perform any better when the novelty of 3D animation is finally wearing off

>>149242719
Nta but every year most anime movie releases are 2d.