Does anyone else feel like this show just aged absolutely terribly?

>>149254500 (OP)
One thing is for certain and it is that hollywood pedos ruined everything.

>>149254500 (OP)
It seems naive nowadays, and is firmly entrenched in the "all men are evil no matter what but women can do no wrong even when they are doing wrong" of the 2010s that is also quickly falling apart.

>>149254500 (OP)
Yeah, it's very quickly becoming a time capsule of its era, ironically featuring an episode that's a period piece about 2006 (I think, can't remember). But in the future it'll be a perfect showcase of dominant cultural trends in the 2010s.

>>149254500 (OP)
Nah, it's still good. 4chan just really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really, really hates it

>>149254601
Eh, I don't think it's just here. You're right that the hate here is insanely overblown, but the show has definitely cooled off in the wider culture as well.

It came out during Rick and Morty's peak when cartoons were trying to be more "serious and emotional" while also doing a fuck ton of quips

It really feels dated. I don't even think Gen Z is aware of this show

>>149254500 (OP)
I didn't particularly care about Joback as a character. Or the Asian lady. Personally I wished the show focused more on characters like Princess Caroline. I liked the pink stressed out cat lady.

>>149254638
>It came out during Rick and Morty's peak

Actually they were developed largely simultaneously. Rick & Morty premiered in December 2013, Bojack in August 2014, which means they would have been in development at roughly the same time. They're both a result of the trend at that time that you identify "when cartoons were trying to be more "serious and emotional" while also doing a fuck ton of quips".

>>149254500 (OP)
I thought it was terrible form the start

NORMAL WORDS

If anything, it only becomes more prescient.

>>149254712
Kys

Peak therapeutic millenial slop

>>149254500 (OP)
I binged it last year and it was fine. What make you think it aged badly?

The show became so self indulgent I refuse to watch the final season

>>149254500 (OP)
https://youtube.com/shorts/SxtzKUCpJVs?si=oWFEQAJ7QXh_uYsu


I know its Normal words but a horse but I do remember people earnestly liking it still.

>>149254500 (OP)
It did age very poorly. It's not only extremely simplistic of the issues it tackles but it's clear they were banking entirely on the me too shit and just making torture porn of the main character.

Watching it today really feels like a show made by 11-13 year olds. They're old enough to understand the serious issues presented and what they mean, but they have zero clues how to talk about them properly or what's their actual origin.

>>149254881
The show really goes downhill after the third season

At that point the whole Bojack being depressed and the big emotional season ending just gets tiring. Also the show goes up its ass way too much

>>149254881
Any kind of emotional sincerity, exploration or vulnerability offends the sensibilities of the "empathy is a sin" crowd and emotionally deadened zoomers.

>>149254500 (OP)
More like it was never good which is what made it age terribly in record time. See the thing about Bojack is that it rode a novelty and it was...

What if all the prominent main characters were unlikable scumbags from episode one?

Yes audiences were wowed at first but when the novelty ended and the fandom went away and youtubers finished discussing this trending show it still left you with a show that has unlikable main characters. And at the end of the day as much as humans like to trash talk good natured protagonists we still prefer them in the long term. They are more tolerable and we do want to see them win more often than not.

Bojack? I hated how only Bojack suffered any consequences for spending most of his life being an amoral sack of trash. I wanted Carolyn the workaholic whining spinster who chooses bad men to continue rotting away as an aging spinster until she died. Todd should have been in prison for his company where he intentionally infects people with rabies. And Diane? She needed to get killed off brutally, preferably by a drug cartel or one of Hollywood's drug addicts roaming the streets.

I think the only decent character was Peanut Butter and even he got annoying because his personality is.....he's hopelessly in love with a shitty cunt like Diane. That brutally ruined him. The show has no good characters to really keep you watching long term. Its a bad show about bad people by and large.

>>149254591
2007, actually:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o13Go4y23Ww

>>149254500 (OP)
I think it holds up. It seems like the people who think it aged terribly tend to be the same people who never thought it was any good to begin with.

Haven't watched it yet so I dunno

>Audience: Bojack shows how Hollywood is a terrible place full of animals that will turn anyone insane.
>Author: I fucking hate men like Bojack.

>>149254988
nobody cares about your shitty rants

>>149254988
>What if all the prominent main characters were unlikable scumbags from episode one?
Is that what you got out of it?

>>149254500 (OP)
I don't really see how the show has aged poorly. It's about a bunch of depressed people dealing with their trauma in different ways. Even with the modern internet landscape, traditional celebrities still exist. And even when they no longer exist, people will still be able to understand what's happening the same way people could understand period peaces.

>>149255099
Yes. Quick run down...

Bojack - Rich privileged bastard who is so rich he can fetishize his sorrow was it was told to him in an episode.

Diane - First thing the show does is explain she's a Third Wave Feminist that automatically told you she is shit incarnate.

Todd - A homeless bum and an ungrateful one at that when you get into follow up episodes.

Carolyn - Just another shitty Hollywood tool, though she doesn't do many awful things it's difficult to care for anyone who works in Hollywood given the shadiness of that hideous city. I think one of her worst episodes was the one where she says "Our thoughts in prayers" regarding a tragedy and how to exploit it to make entertainment out of it. That bitch is a sociopath who doesn't care about anything except climbing the ladder. Really hated how she got bailed out of the miserable spinster end that she deserved.

>>149254960
>weaponize people's empathy against them
>they stop feeling it as to stop allowing you to manipulate them
>How could this possibly have happened? We're, like, the heccin good guys?!?
Surely the chuds are to blame.

>>149254927
>and just making torture porn of the main character
Bojack was his own worst enemy. The show was a pretty unflnchingly accurate depiction of the cycles of addiction. Bojack would clean up, fly straight and narrow for awhile and things would start going well, but then he'd fall back into the clutches of his vices either because he wanted to celebrate, or because something bad would happen and he didn't have healthy coping mechanisms. And each time, things would get worse for him.
Towards the end, he did manage to clean up, but he never quite atoned for his previous behavior which, once again, caught up to him.
The show ended with a sense of uncertainty which seemed to annoy a lot of anons, but I think was the right call. Most movies or shows end with a tragic end or a happily ever after, but Bojack doesn't get that sense of closure. As is a realistic prospect for addicts, Bojack is left having to work every day to stay clean. The audience is as unsure as Bojack himself is whether he'll be able to do it or not. Everyone close to him cut ties, and he was left to struggle with his addiction on his own.
As much as that doesn't fit nicely into a narrative box that we want, I think it was the right way to end the series. There is no "end" to addiction like films want you to think. It's an ongoing lifelong process.

>>149255151
Well Bojack is also a celebrity so of course he still roams free at the end. Remember how Diddy got found innocent recently? There you go.

You got money you walk free and continue doing harm to others and yourself. Unless you piss off someone who wants to kill you vigilante style.

>>149255145
what the hell are you talking about

>>149255099
Is there anything else to get out of it? Something something feminism, something something asexuals. There was at some point something useful about the trauma cycle but the staff malding over Weinstein derailed that.

>>149254500 (OP)
I remember really liking the drama and stakes in the fourth season. Everything after was just a total blur and left very little impact.
The woke shit was uncomfortable before (baby murder episode is season 3), but it just got annoying after they dialed it up.

>>149255098
I cared

>>149255194
Nothing. Please continue to play dumb, it unironically helps reverse the damage you lot have done to society for people to watch you being so disingenuous.

>men are....le bad

>>149254500 (OP)
yes

>>149255210
>Something something feminism, something something asexuals.
no. If you're looking for black and white morality or lessons, it's no wonder you didn't like the show.

>>149255140
You sound like an autistic teen/early 20s virgin who would still complain about the jerkop gets the boyfriend-free girl.

>he deleted his posts
Definitely autism

>>149255352
Good thing that has nothing to do with what I wrote?

>>149255370
it's too bad

>>149255383
that there's no way to see what he wrote

anon keeps deleting posts but still replies to people who challenge him.
All these posts just display a shocking lack of media literacy.

>>149255406
It's probably safe to say that he wasn't an A student. This is only going to get worse as kids pay less attention in class and get AI to do their assignments for them.
Everyone should prepare themselves for the incoming generations of complete morons.

>>149255421
You sound like an autistic midwit that needs to stop looking at politics.

>>149255449
when all else fails, I guess going for an ad hominem attack is a choice.

>>149255465
Shit, you wanna join my Discord so we can have a proper debate about the "decline" of intelligence after finding each other in a thread about a cartoon horse? That would be so cool!

>>149255048
It feels like Rick and Morty if it remained consistent.

>>149255145
>weaponize people's empathy against them
>they stop feeling it as to stop allowing you to manipulate them
this is an unhinged way to think

>>149255145
>>149255223
As if squeezing dry and weaponizing in their favor the average Joe's prejudices and cognitive biases wasn't the bread and butter of chudist politicians.

>>149255151
This. Bojack and Diane even summed it up pretty well in the shows final minutes
>Yeah, well, life's a bitch, and then you die.
>Actually I think its more like life's a bitch and then you....just keep living.

>>149255145
>weaponize people's empathy against them
What in the god damn hell are you talking about, anon?

>>149254960
>pop therapy writing is okay because some retard thinks anyone cares about his emotions
Go watch Elio again or some other trash you sniveling shit head millennial

>>149255267
Horse men are bad

>>149254500 (OP)
no, because the cultural zeitgeist is still "all men are bad, young adult females have no agencies and must be treated like children at all times"

remember, virtue signallers, puritans, anyone who freaks out at age gaps, pro-lifers, conservatives and misogynists all agree that women are children who can't make decisions on their own

>>149255370
>>149255406
he didn't delete them he's a resident schizo who whines about everything and then jannies delete his shitty rants, rinse and repeat

>all these "men are bad" responses
Methinks the board doth protest too much.....

>>149257906
methinks you're just doubling down on the cultural zeitgeist because you don't have any critical thinking skills

women have higher levels of disgust. "the ick" paints men in their minds as nonhuman. it's like female autism or mental illness, and social media amplifies it

>>149257924
You just proved his point, dumbass

>>149255194
women claim they want authenticity, or men who are in touch with their emotions. it is a bold faced lie. do not trust what women say, go by their actions.

>>149257937
>when social media literacy becomes social media

this is not the same as right wing chuds not realizing that x-men, star trek, star wars are actually leftist. this is where media that focuses on negative male behavior is created to fit a pre-existing stereotype of men that liberals that continues to be fostered on social media. you literally have no self awareness

>>149257954
*by idpol liberals*

not class conscious liberals, either. class conscious liberal know idpol is toxic, poisoning the well

>>149257937
if men behaved like women with the ick, they'd be diagnosed with autism

not really

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_r_pOtUVTgo

>>149258095
too bad the show didn't focus on that kind of corruption the same amount of time they focused on making bojack irredeemable and salacious sexual encounters

>>149258130
>why did they focus all the time and effort on making the literal title character look like an irredeemable piece of shit who's brought low by his own personal failings?
Yeheheheh, I remember MY first Shakespearian tragedy

>>149254500 (OP)
It went on for too long. It should have ended at season 2

>>149257954
>your next line is "Ugly onions trannys are coming for our gun loving babies and Jesus! Vote Trump!"

>>149254960
It's always so funny how 4chan of all places complains about "irony poisoning" and wants media to be "more genuine" but then starts to mock anything that tries to genuinely explore depression.

>>149257924
Critical thinking is a meme.
The concept of critical thinking implies that whenever you take in new information, you're not willing to take it at face value, always comparing it to the information you possess.
Question: how do you know the information you possess is not compromised and you are not a victim of propaganda? Where do you draw the line where you stop questioning things?

>>149259272
Sonic fans (especially Shonen era fans) are guilty of this too.

>>149254572

I'm so glad this shit is disappearing - mainly because women and gays took full advantage of that cultural moment to be absolutely insufferable, predatory people to anyone and everyone they could get away with it - most especially to other women lmao

And now there's even an overcorrection too, so women are starting to view it as "rebellious and cool" to be sexy, feminine, and "boy-crazy" again since we just had the last 15 years of women being sexless secular-puritans. Damage was probably done with millennials but zoomers seem to be healing.

Reminds me of Edward Bernays tricking women into thinking smoking cigarettes (which were previously viewed as phallic and submitting to men) and buying skimpy clothes for men to ogle at (seen as debasing women before) was "progressive".

Honestly women are so easily manipulated and programmed it's insane - not to say men aren't either but women are just so confident in their opinions and beliefs that if you convince them that your idea was their idea they'll gladly roll with it to the bitter end. It's very funny. Men will occasionally break free from conditioning due to their self-doubts but women - women almost never do.

>>149254666
So they couldn't commit to one or the other, no wonder it when to shit.

>>149259845
Sounds like you could use some more self-doubt

>>149255048
/thread