Is Ironheart the MCU's first genuine villain protagonist?

>>149262125 (OP)
Spider-man sold his marriage to the devil. Ironheart is just a normal Marvel hero

>>149262258
>MCU
I know reading English is hard for you Polish people but come on

>>149262125 (OP)
Scarlet Witch turned villain so kind of?

>>149262300
They still want you to think Wanda was noble

>>149262258
True, people have said they're the "more relatable" roster of the Big Two for ages but in practice most of them are flawed to the point of not even being actual heroes.

>>149262258
yeah, and EVERYONE wants Marvel to undo that shit.

>>149262125 (OP)
Nah, Wanda got her beat by a few years. I guess they made a mild attempt to say what she did to that town was a bit bad, something they NEVER did for Riri.

>>149262125 (OP)
Many would say Wanda though she always stops being a villain by the end (three times with this exact plot).

More definitely, Agatha All Along doubled down on this version of Agatha being a selfish murderer (WandaVision, where Agatha was not as villainous as Wanda and was only shown killing in self-defense, was ambiguous about how bad Agatha really was).

>>149262340
You're right. In my defense though, Marvel shows are usually forgotten right after you watch them, so it's an easy mistake to make.

>>149262258
Comic Spider-Man, for how dumb the decision was, at least thought he was doing the right thing and saving a life. What did Riri accomplish? She was given a vague promise Mephisto would "grant all her dreams and make them true", she didn't bother asking what that entailed, agreed, and then unknowingly resurrected her dead friend. So she's either selfish or stupid. Take your pick

>>149262369
>Selfish or stupid
You're implying she isn't both.

It's weird seeing shills and dumbasses defending this shit show say things like "Comic Riri wasn't a failure!". How was she not a failure? She was shipped off to Champions then forgotten

>>149262401
It isn't weird they shill, it's weird they do it for free.

>>149262125 (OP)
Ok what retarded shit did the MCU "hero" do this time?

>>149262954
What like updates following the first 3 episodes?

>>149262340
>where Agatha was not as villainous as Wanda and was only shown killing in self-defense

I think it counting as "self defense" kinda gets thrown out the window when she resisted execution after being judged by her peers for being found guilty of practicing evil magic and murder.

>>149262369
>>149262258
>They did the selling your soul to the devil thing again
They are mentally retarded, there is no other explanation.

>>149262125 (OP)
Is her suit cool in the show?

>>149262125 (OP)
She-Hulk raped a dude.

>>149262125 (OP)
Show looked boring so I did not watch. Was The Hood a good villain or not?

>>149262125 (OP)
I don’t think /pol/ could write a black superhero this racist and unlikable intentionally.

>>149263960
>MCU
>good villains
You know the answer.

This show just finished a day ago, why is this the only thread I can find on it?

>>149263316
No Way Home did OMD better than the comics did.

>>149264124
Because nobody cares except for some cheap laughs.

>>149262401
Tbf I mainly see the shills on Reddit I can’t believe how they can force themselves to be positive about such a thing, probably because they think they’re owning whatever political shit they disagree with

>>149262125 (OP)
>Ironheart is a villain
It doesn't matter how much you retarded say that, it will not become real

You need to be a very educated commie to like this m'kay!

>>149262702
most of the shills are black americans and femminists. so they are defending her out of sheer ideology, not because of the character (that they will pretend is actually good, like most did with Rey Skywalker until ep.9)

>>149262125 (OP)
tony was an asshole who created ultron

>>149262401
>>149262702
>>149264346
Are the shills in the room with us right now?

It doesn't matter how bad the product is, As long as it it's to own the chuds it okay.

>>149263009
I forgot to put an *a in place of the, i'm actually curious why she would be a villain? Did she commit mass murder?

>>149264515
Well the show ends with her willingly and knowingly cutting a deal with Mephisto so that's always a good sign

>>149264515
She isn't a villain, just an idiot

>>149262340
>WandaVision, where Agatha was not as villainous as Wanda and was only shown killing in self-defense

She killed Sparky, though.

>>149262307
For doing what? Ripping apart reality and killing people to kidnap some kids who didn't know her?

>>149264515
She sold her soul to Mephisto to get her greatest desire: Her dead best friend brought back to life.

>>149263960
>Was The Hood a good villain or not?
Of course not. He's never been a good villain, he's just been a combination of a warlock and a smug childish asshole.

>>149265526
That implies her best friend's soul was burning in hell all this time if Mephisto can bring her back.

>>149262125 (OP)
Not a villain, but just stupid for even agreeing to it after her fight with the Hood & what his deal with Mephisto has done to him

>>149265526
I bet the monkeys paw is that they'll be mortal enemies now and everyone would forget their identities.

>>149265529
>>149263960
Idk about the show but i liked The Hood where he came off more as a hardened criminal version of Spiderman, mainly because we actually followed his exploits growing into a real supervillain.

>>149262258
that doesn't make him a villain, just a retard