Thread 149282980

So just because Gaiman fucked a few groupies we are meant to not read his prolific writing any more?

>>149282980 (OP)
Separate the art from the artist. Anyone who argues otherwise is a queer.

>>149282980 (OP)
No. This incident made people re-evaluate his work. And for a lot of people it was looking seriously at his work for the first time. Turns out he actually sucks and has been living off an undeserved reputation.

>>149282980 (OP)
The only way you'll get me to believe any of these kinds of allegations any more, particularly after the Warren Ellis and Chris Avellone debacles, is if the first thing I hear about it is the person being arrested because you went to the police to make your allegations and they were found credible. Not from you talking to a journalist or posting on social media. Anybody can do that to accuse anyone of anything.

>>149282980 (OP)
Is his quote praising IHF still in the newest issues of the series or have they removed it?

>>149283083
>I was just skimming sandman before
Retard

>>149282980 (OP)
Believe all women, chud.

>>149283163
this

>>149282980 (OP)
>>149283045
Rape Internet Defense Force award

>>149283163
In case of Neil Gaiman, he admitted to some of the harassment, most notably the one where he blackmailed his tenants wife to have sex with him or he would kick them out.

>>149282980 (OP)
I kind of question people who are shocked when a celeb is exposed as a freak. Like did any of you guys really buy that whimsical-English-gent schtick he put on? I've never read anything from him except Sandman because frankly he's always made my skin crawl.

>>149282980 (OP)
Master…

>>149282980 (OP)
Basically.

>>149282980 (OP)
He didn't have any problem with Death being a negress, he can get fucked.

>>149282980 (OP)
Gayman said to believe women so I do.
>>149283338
I like her.

>>149283228
More like less people than you think actually read Sandman and so people just took for granted when they saw it on a top 10 list or something

She's PEACHY KEEN.

>>149282980 (OP)
i just assume all artists are scumbags and get to be pleasantly surprised if they prove they aren't

>>149283083
>>149283228
Only like 60% of the OG Sandman Run was good.
The fucking imagination land/lesbian arc was both a mess and a complete drag in particular.

>>149282980 (OP)
Read it with unblinded eyes and enjoy things in a new light.

>>149283553
>tranny didn't like the moon literally confirming he will never be a woman

>>149283338
>He didn't have any problem with Death being a negress, he can get fucked
Eat shit and kindly fuck off back to 1854.

>>149283418
They made Death a redhead?!

>>149283669
Sup, Neil. How are those lawsuits going for you?

>>149282980 (OP)
He fuck a woman in front of his son, god knows what else happened to that poor kid.

>>149283280
>blackmailed his tenant’s wife to have sex with him or he would kick them out
Seriously? That’s some JAV shit.

>>149283280
>>149283754
Alright, now I want a comprehensive list of everything he’s accused of, for entertainment value if nothing else.

>>149283045
Fpbp all the same

>>149283280
Source? That's already pretty fucked specially for someone who befriended a lot of people who survived abuse and who spent his time defending them on social media.

>>149282980 (OP)
Throughout human history men have been driven by one desire game resources strength and intelligence to gain females, yet nowadays that is seen as evil and wrong. If you are a successful man in your fifties you have to only date women who are equal to your age even though you are successful and in a good position financially this is The madness of a civilization dying

>>149282980 (OP)
He wasn't especially prolific.

And he sucked anyway.

>>149284103
Is Norse mythology book was awful.

>>149284071
"Gaiman's family is of Polish-Jewish and other Ashkenazi origins"

Know what I'm tired of? Being right.

Don't care. Gaiman's a good writer. Good Omens, however, was better as a show since the book was mostly from Adam's perspective, so not at all interesting. Dude also fucked up on replacing Pestilence with Pollution as a Horseman, since not long after the Coof heralded the biggest fucking robbery on the Earth.

>>149283163
Chris avellone had evidence that the other side made it up. Not comparable.

>>149282980 (OP)
Hey remember when he wrote a comic book about a great writer who got his ideas from raping a literal muse? I wonder why he wrote about a rapist writer who claimed to be a feminist?

Dude's lucky he's not in prison for what he's done, fuck his work.

>>149283708
>laughs in Sam Hyde

>>149282980 (OP)
I will read his old books, but not giving him any new money.

Shame, dude was a great writer but he didn't have to be into abusing people like that.

>>149283613
I'm confident in my being a dude, but the moon bit was petty funny.
What I don't care for is the book I read for Dream and those around him taken over for an entire arc by a halfbaked death of childhood theme and a halfbaked lesbians are sad and witches plotline that goes nowhere.
Like you might of been able to make something out of it if you just did one, but having half the fucking story and all characters within only become barely relevant at the very end after dicking around with them, you get a bad arc.

It might just be that I only read it as a completed work but I came to the book for Dream and don't appreciate what should of just been its own mini series taking up space.

>>149284107
The comic adaptation of that was actually better than the book. Unsurprisingly, he didn't write the comic version.

>>149282980 (OP)
literally a day before the allegations hit you were seething with chud rage that the netflix show had a black girl playing death
do you ever stop to think about the cognitive dissonance between accusing every trans person of being a sexual predator based on no evidence, and then defending literally all sexual predators with damning evidence against them?
>>149283083
this, though, is bullshit
people's first reaction to art is the most genuine, and you don't get to backtrack on it the moment it's revealed the artist is not a good person
gaiman is both a talented artist, and a monster, and it 's possible to both appreciate his work while acknowledging that it's a good thing his career is over

>>149282980 (OP)
That's what he wanted, who are you to go against his wishes?

>>149284469
You really are a tranny, you type like a complete faggot.

>>149284172
>guilty until proven innocent

>>149284677
>courts never make a mistake, even though Depp was found liable and then later vindicated in a subsequent trial
>celebrities are never given preferential treatment
>you're supposed to just pretend you don't have an opinion until the court case five years down the road
you can say that companies who work with these people should just say "we're hitting the pause button until things are settled," but if a case is incredibly damning, sperging out at random people for putting two and two together is a little weird
in the depp v heard trial, for instance, it became very clear depp was innocent early in the trial. are you also sperging out at people putting two and two together before a verdict was reached?

>>149284740
>sperging out
>you’re sperging out!
>why are you sperging out??
Take it easy, anon. I’m not even the guy you were originally responding to and I’m not saying courts are infallible or any of the other words you’re trying to put in my mouth. Just pointing out that your line of thinking sets a dangerous precedent.

>>149284089
Dumb nigger abusing the social contract to steal women from other men through illegitimate feats is shit that would get him burnt alive in another age

>>149283045
quit using that phrase like you understand what it means.

>>149284854
>stealing women from hypothetical men is a crime
Because you totally would’ve gotten these groupies if not for Gaiman.

>>149284908
These people see themselves as average, and function under the semi-accurate understanding that in the past due to social expectations they would of been more likely to have gotten a women to settle for them while they were still young.
From there they overblow the concepts and their imaginations run wild.

>>149283275
nta (either of them) but if there is evidence to convict him, then by all means throw the book at him
doesn't mean i'm going to suddenly not like things i've already read and enjoyed cause the writer turns out to be a scumbag

>>149282980 (OP)
There has been a lot of focus on the groupies, but the more serious accusations are from the women who he was employing at the time. If he gets in trouble he's rich so probably nothing will happen will happen, it will be because of what happened with his employees.

>>149283338
OK, racist

>>149286254
Shut up tranny

>>149283961
>>149284054
You can listen to the original podcast that broke the story on YouTube for free (use an ad blocker). It's also on Spotify, but there are ads. There are also a bunch of news articles from around January to April 2025 that summarize the accusations if you search for "Neil Gaiman accusations."

>>149282980 (OP)
He agreed with canceling other men and told his fans they were wrong about the casting for Death. He's getting what he deserves for being a cuck.

>>149282980 (OP)
>>149283045
Fuck you. Give Justin Roiland his job back if you REALLY believe that. Spoilers: You don't.

>>149284469
Gaiman is the lesser evil, since he actually contributes to society, and doesn't target children.

>>149286421
it's different because roiland didn't create actual art
he just threw poop against a wall and told people to laugh at it

>>149286489
>it's different
Point proven. Innocent Man gets cancelled for false accusations but its "different" cause why? Naw fuck off. Gaiman on the otherhand admits he's guilty on the same level of Weinstein and you expect him to be protected. Fuck off.

>>149286482
>doesn't target children
Some of the victims were allegedly under the age of 18. Also, for the ones that were 18+, he was still 20-40 years older than them when this occurred so it comes across as creepy.

>>149283613
The moon was shown to be wrong, dear illiterate manchild.

>>149284740
>>courts never make a mistake, even though Depp was found liable and then later vindicated in a subsequent trial
Depp is the best example of innocent until proven guilty and the kind of nonsense and grief an internet mob can make before the truth comes out
>>celebrities are never given preferential treatment
gaiman is prolific but he's hardly the kind of celebrity normies would care about
>>you're supposed to just pretend you don't have an opinion until the court case five years down the road
sorry you're unethical

>>149282980 (OP)
It's funny that gaiman used to be a sacred cow and you could never discuss his works in earnest because he's le hecking wholesome chungus and could do no wrong and now you still can't talk about his writting ability because suddenly everyone gets an ick from him

I hate shit like this because it always reminds me just how fucking credulous so many people are. What drives anyone to just blindly believe shit someone they've never met says happened between them and another person they don't know either at a time no-one else was present? I guess I understand how shit like flat earthers happens now, even if I can't understand the mindset at all.

Why isn't anyone mad at Amanda Palmer for allegedly grooming vulnerable girls and then bringing them home to give to Neil knowing what he'd do to them?

>>149286527
>you could never discuss his works in earnest

LOL
LMAO even

>>149286533
PoundMeToo exists to go after men, not women. See former assistant to Harvey Weinstein, Leslie Headland (who knew about and scheduled the rapes) being give a Star Wars show.

>>149286527
Agreed. It's not a "separate the work from the artist", so much as a "be able to talk about the work at all ".

What's your hottest take on not-so-Gaiman's stuff?

>>149286505
gaiman is worth being protected for his art
roiland is not
simple as

>>149286591
>Raping women is fine cause its someone I like

>>149286646
would you be more likely to forgive the person that cured cancer than someone who caused cancer?

>>149284908
A wife allegedly was black mailed into cheating on her husband with him, faggot
In this world you supposedly yearn for gaiman wouldn't be cancelled he'd be dead

>>149282980 (OP)
How long until he rebrands as a right wing person and sells some crypto or something like that?

>>149283338
Based

>>149286665
If anything he will fall back into scientology as he grew up in the church.

GAY MAN

>>149283045
no, I will do the opposite

>>149283669
go back to africa

>>149284133
you know what I hate? Is that every jew has some polish origins. According to Israel, we murdered more jews than germans, and yet, every single kike is some polish survivor. It's tiresome

>>149286659
>Gaiman cured cancer

>>149286718
Bigots crying about their hurt feelings is tiresome

>>149283045
Most artists wouldn't separate themselves from their work

Todd won

>>149286665
He's 64 now and he still gets royalties from all of the books and other works that he wrote. He can comfortably fuck off of to a private island somewhere and live in luxury for the rest of his life. Also, he's a nepobaby and even before his own career took off, his family was already wealthy so he always has that to fall back on.

>>149282980 (OP)
Is this the Sandman TV show thread?
What does /co/ think about Wanda?

>>149286785
Todd fans really are insecure when they have to bring him up for no reason

>>149282980 (OP)
Be honest here, is anyone actually surprised he's a pervert?

>>149282980 (OP)
>we
kys

>>149282980 (OP)
he didnt just put hand on someones legs, he legit raped women

>>149286728
>can't answer the question
I accept your concession.

>>149287177
Why would doing something good somehow exonerate you of being a monster? That one austrian guy was a pioneer of ecology and animal rights movement but nobody argues we should forgive him for that whole holocaust thing

>>149282980 (OP)
As someone who always hated him for being a subversive (both in the literary and cultural sense) kike, I'm just happy he's suffering for having his degenerate kike fetishes exposed.

>>149287257
>That one austrian guy was a pioneer of ecology and animal rights movement
you'd be more inclined to forgive him than someone who wasn't

>>149282980 (OP)
His work has always been somewhere between "i totally get you, dear insecure young women" and "um guys can you see how feminist I am" I could never fathom how anyone reads this shit without cringing, it's downright condescending

>>149283045
I will, once they are dead and consuming that art doesn't support them in any way shape or form.

To consume in almost any way is to support and provide for. Once death comes, then I can do so. It's like how I have no plans to rewatch Ghost Dad until Cosby is dead. Then again, I never had plans to rewatch Ghost Dad, but you get the point. I'll never stop saying Gaiman's work is some of the best, but I'll only read it again once he's in the ground.

>but what about piracy?
They only way to consume without support, but it does not support the other people who contributed to his comics.

ITT: /co/ suddenly loves a creator they constantly trashed as being a worthless hack the minute he's accused of sex crimes.

>>149287257
Because it's communist purity spiraling that is ungrateful to those who contribute

>>149284172
This. If a man doesn’t keep proof that he hasn’t raped all women and girls he interacts with then I will assume he has or will rape them at some point

>>149282980 (OP)
you can do what you want and people can and will judge you for it

>>149282980 (OP)
>got to live in his fancy house in exchange for a few 2 minute dickings.
wow women have it so hard

>>149284892
Explain what separating the artist from the art really means.

>>149282980 (OP)
Sure you can, just pirate it.

>never sold out to Hollywood
>disapproved of revisionist adaptations of his work
>never raped anyone
So he's the good guy in this story, right?

>>149287274
>subversive (both in the literary and cultural sense)
What do you mean?

>>149289469
>never sold out to Hollywood
>revisionist adaptations of his work
These two points contradict each other.

>>149282980 (OP)
Yes. Fuck this leftist piece of shit.

>>149282980 (OP)
The reason he's not in prison, on criminal trial, or even in civil court is because they lack any substantial evidence of the relationships being anything other than consensual. One of two of the women did go to the police and Gaiman was able to provide receipts on their interactions, enough so that they saw nothing criminal. I not saying he's never done anything questionable but the allegations or accusations against him should not enough to sour one's perception of his work. All of this started from an angry podcaster he got into a twitter argument with btw.

>>149282980 (OP)
The reason he's not in prison, on criminal trial, or even in civil court is because they lack any substantial evidence of the relationships being anything other than consensual. One or two of the women did go to the police and Gaiman was able to provide receipts on their interactions, enough so that they saw nothing criminal. I'm not saying he's never done anything questionable but the allegations or accusations against him should not enough to sour one's perception of his work. All of this started from an angry podcaster he got into a twitter argument with btw.

>>149289985
Welp this is what happens when we let cancel culture have mob justice

>>149289985
>thee reason he's not in prison, on criminal trial, or even in civil court is because he's rich*
FTFY.

>>149290009
yeah. I just refreshed my memory from looking at the section of the sexual abuse allegations on his wikipedia article. One woman did file a civil suit but it's a blatant money grab and an attempt to get around the investigation they did on him in New Zealand where they found nothing incriminating. There's some older suit that settled and had an NDA which one of the women broke. I actually lean more toward believing Gaiman who maintains that he never sexually assaulted anyone, but could have made better decisions. Any adult person, man or woman, who's been sexually active for years will have some spotty moments when pursuing or engaging in sex, that's just the nature of the act, it doesn't make you a criminal though.

>>149282980 (OP)
All of you hated everything he's ever touched before he got "cancelled"

>>149290234
This, the complaining in this thread comes off like tourists and cancel-mobs getting upset they may be next

>>149282980 (OP)
>So just because Gaiman fucked a few groupies we are meant to not read his prolific writing any more?
Are you retarded?
1. You can do whatever the fuck you like
2. You can continue to read and like his work if you want.
3. If you already own his work, you don't have to burn it.
4. You can separate the art from the artist if you want.
5. If the whole issue matters to you and you still want to read his work but don't have his work, you can pirate or buy it secondhand to not give him value.
Bottom line is, do whatever the fuck you want.

>>149283163
>The only way you'll get me to believe any of these kinds of allegations any more,
Most of his allegations are entirely believable. The thing is that even if those women are telling the truth, he didn't anything wrong beyond basic promiscuity. IIRC, the first accuser's story was that she gave him oral sex because he was her landlord. She "felt" that she'd be evicted if she stopped giving him oral sex, but she never discussed that with him so that wasn't even their agreement. Even if it was, worst case scenario, he bought a prostitute. Womp womp, but at point, we're making shit up the "victim" didn't even accuse herself.
>>149283280
>>149283862
>>149284054
It wasn't blackmail. It was a dumb whore that divorced her husband who was a maintenance worker for his property. She then offered him oral sex under no pressure.

>>149283083
Roger Avary’s Sandman screenplay is better than the comics

>>149283163
is Ellis still cancelled?

>>149290588
I hope so.

He and his nepoforum bring a lot rainbowhairs to comics.

>>149282980 (OP)
His writing was always shit, it’s just now acceptable to admit this.

>>149283304
>Like did any of you guys really buy that whimsical-English-gent schtick he put on?
No because he's Jewish

>>149286421
Can't deny Rick and Morty would be better if he had his job back.

>>149284089
>game resources strength and intelligence to gain females, yet nowadays that is seen as evil and wrong
If you can attract women by having those things, that's still not against any rule. It's using those things to coerce women into sex with you when they don't want it that's the problem, or using your resources or intelligence to get away with it. If you can't see the difference between "use money to attract women by buying clothes that look good on you, a nice car, a good haircut, getting her gifts" and "use your money to hire a babysitter, invite her to take a bath in the yard, then climb into the bath with her without warning, and start fucking her, then use your feminist reputation to avoid scrutiny" you're an absolute freak who needs to figure out yourself before going near any member of any sex you're attracted to.

>>149291460
Jewish Scientologist, actually.

>>149289469
>never sold out to Hollywood
achsually, he kinda did. per moore's own admission, when studios came around asking to buy the rights to league and from hell he said yes after consulting with his friend (and mentor) steve moore. steve told alan that hollywood had bough the adaptation rights to a bunch of his work but the movies never got to the development stage, so it was basically free money for him. moore figured this would happen too, and next thing he knows they actually made the movies. but even back then he declined any involvement or publicity, so he did stick to his guns

>>149286365
>>149290517
I know the accusations, but this anon >>149283280 said he admitted part of the harassment, can't find anything on that.

>>149286830
Hot pajeeta

Hes a hypocrite male feminist and his writing always was pretentious

Gaiman was secretly based... beyond belief

>>149283045
that's fine and all, but the correct instruction is to pirate if you don't want to reward someone you don't like with your money.

>>149282980 (OP)
I generally do not read his works anymore, because he sucks at endings.
>sandman
>american gods
>american gods sequels
>a game of you
>graveyard book
>good omens
All sucked, I did enjoy Coraline and stardust but not that much. Coraline was probably his best work if im being honest. His endings for just about everything else he has written is ass and im tired of people pretending they read his works.

>>149286830
They completely skipped A Game of You and dodged the bit about the moon not considering transexuals real women. They could have skipped her completely, shoving her into Seasons of Mists distracted from the Dream/Delerium road trip.
>>149291700
Caribbean and Puerto Rican

>>149286421
Justin Roiland never should have had a job in the first place because Rick and Morty is hyper ironic garbage that lacks any sincerity or heart.

>>149284369
>I came to the book for Dream
It's strange that you're singling out A Game Of You given that a huge amount of Sandman has Dream as being only tangentially present.

The first storyarc with him getting his three treasures back; Season of Mists; Brief Lives; and Kindly Ones are the only storylines that are actually about Dream. Doll's House, World's End, The Wake, and that weird filler section after Game of You are almost all not about Dream at all.

>>149292476
Doll's House still had a ton of involvement from Dream and the rest of his cast of characters.
World's End is one I dislike outside of the one story which serves as foreshadowing for the ending. I like the stories as individual things but there was no need for the Kid President to be part of the main book.
The Wake is the epilogue to the book and is all about Dream's death.
And I already gave my thoughts about A Game of You.
Again I said that like 60% of Sandman was good, I just singled out A Game of You because if was an absolute slog.

>>149284071
A smiling picture of McFarlane with no text is the ultimate BTFO to any Gayman thread.
>>149286785
Text diminishes the effect a bit.

There's like an entire genre of creepy men who got big making subculture art in the 70s-90s who just hit every edgy possible subject matter they could.

Are we supposed to care they're weirdoes? It was obvious. It's like being surprised that rockstars fucked 14-year old groupies, they all did it.
It's just such a non-thing to care about. It was bad, it happened, nobody cared before because it was inconvenient to. NOW we're supposed to care? When the people involved are almost dead and those cultures are long finished?

>>149284469
Nah, Gayman's reputation was being held up by a claque of irritable legbeards. Now that he's been definitively Me Too'd, they can't prop him up so he's being judged on his own flouncy purple prose merits.

>called gay man
>rapes women
devilish

>>149291901
I think Gayman is pretty overrated but Sandman had a pretty good ending. Only problem is it didn't stop there and kept shambling along after Dream died/rebirthed.

i never did

>>149282980 (OP)
I wish Sandman was as good as people like to claim.

>>149282980 (OP)
I still enjoy his work, but a few panels, lines or scenes get a new meaning.
But hey, I still defend de Sade and I'm a Byron and Shelley fanboy so inappropriate or even criminal behavior isn't enough to dissuade me from enjoying something, just from buying it on the first market.
That said, I have first editions and collections of Gaiman's comics and books. After his bullshit came out, many of them went down in value. So fuck him and his gutter-mind for making me lose money.

>>149286421
Listen, if it was up to me he would've never gotten a show to begin with because I think his sense of humor fucking sucks.
But if it was also up to me, he would've never gotten fired either.

>>149286505
But the posts you're replying to never said Gaiman should be protected. They said his art can still be enjoyed.

>>149286533
Amanda is pretty evil herself but since this is a comics board nobody cares enough to discuss her. Maybe try asking /mu/.

>>149289469
Still a commie and a lousy occultist.

>>149297168
he pretends to be both of those to make you mad.

>>149283045
People do this shit where they try to retroactively pretend like some cancelled celebrity was never actually good in the first place because they cannot reconcile the idea that a bad person can be talented. Worse is when they defend a bad person because they like their work, because good artists can't be bad people.

>>149289469
Always was.
>>149297168
Still based.

>>149297480
That's a very unproductive use of his time

>>149296974
>but a few panels, lines or scenes get a new meaning
You can enjoy people's creative contributions without having to respect them as people or like them as humans. I've not paid for anything related to Gaiman, ever, or to others who would fall under a similar purview - but then again, I have certainly paid for admission tickets to a fair certain number of tickets of Miramax movies, as just one example (although they are vastly a group project, contributed to by any number of people).
Interestingly, the first episode of the new second season of the Sandman got me wanting to see what role if any the Fates had played in the first season, since I couldn't really remember them, which got me to re-watch Calliope and a line there, particularly the lines from Eramus Fry, really ring differently.
I didn't remember the scene with the Fates at all, which tells me how much impact they made a year plus ago when that first dropped!

>>149283045
>>149283961
YES YES YES, exactly!
>Everyone is always wrong but me.
>And if they are wrong, they are faggots.

>>149283083
>his work actually sucks
damn what's it like to have literally no taste?

>>149283275
hey anon, if you are in a bath tub, would you let a man walk up, strip naked, get in the bathtub with you, then let him finger your asshole?

if so, and you think that's rape, you like being raped, and you consent to rape

>>149286505
>comparing gaiman to weinstein
holy shit you're wired