When does moon knight get good cause these early appearances are rough

>>149283572 (OP)
He doesn’t. But anything is better than bemis and McKay

>>149283572 (OP)
How early are we talking about?

>>149283572 (OP)
just read the series that got adapted into the tv show, i found the art nice and story sort of entertaining.

>>149283572 (OP)
2006 IIRC where he rips Bushman's face off and before he starts wearing a suit and devolves into psychedelia rather than supernatural

>>149283572 (OP)
He gets good at the 2nd issue of his first real ongoing. The minis are okay, and while I love the Hatchetman saga, I admit it is rough.

>>149284483
For better or for worse, that is the definitive run.

>>149284483
>2006
Huston's run is tryhard garbage with no nuance to any of it

>>149283572 (OP)
His first ongoing is just decent overall but it has a few actually amazing individual issues that ended up defining the character. It's why the character's concept often feels at odd with itself, sometimes he's beating up bad guys and feeling like a wannabe batman and sometimes goes full surreal and he's just losing his mind . His appearances before his first ongoing though are overall rough and the best mini is actually the one where he does indeed lose his mind
It wasn't clear, I'm quite a fan of Moon Knight when it's weird and surreal so I enjoy that original Moench run as well as the Ellis and MacKay runs. Lemire run is ok but it really runs out of gas halfway through and is just not particularly good which is a shame because the first part is very strong

>>149283782
You're only shitting on the McKay run because its the current one. God you're transparent

>>149284735
I mean it's the idiot who comes into every Moon Knight thread to shit on the MacKay run. It's a good and fun run with nothing controversial about it. Of course some take offense at this because there is nothing for them to rage bait with

>>149283572 (OP)
I liked his early books. His schizo Batman gimmick was fun. Anyway I thought his backups in Hulk Magazine were where the character started really coming together.

>>149284404

>>149285059
He doesn't get fully realized as a character and good until halfway through the Hulk magazine stories

>>149285059
There's is your problem. Skip anything not written by Doug Moench in the early days.

>>149285059
The Hulk magazine stuff is decent. These were reprinted in color as a miniseries (under the title of like "Moon Knight Special Edition" or something like that). The solo ongoing that follows is where it starts to pick up. The high points of that volume are arguably the peak MK stories to this day.

>>149284671
Who needs nuance in cartoon papers about guys in moon costumes who pummel people as a pass time.

>>149283572 (OP)
Issue 1

>>149283572 (OP)
>Collar
>Cape linked to gauntlet
What a strange suit.

>>149284712
>Lemire run is ok but it really runs out of gas halfway through and is just not particularly good
That's like every single thing I've ever read with Lemire name attached to it. I don't understand how he has such a devoted fanbase.

>>149283572 (OP)
It sucks so never

>>149284774
>>149284735
QFT samefag it’s okay for people to dislike things.

>>149285059
Skip to the Moon Knight stories in Hulk Magazine, they and the 80s ongoing that follows will recap anything you don't know

>>149289179
>I-It's okay to dislike things

The lame excuse of the NPContrarian

>>149285059
The funniest part about collected volumes like these is that the reader will get thrown into the middle of other books' melodrama because the character showed up there.

You go from Werewolf By Night being sad that he hurt his friend to this guy called Nighthawk angsting and the shenanigans of Nick Fury's evil brother.

>>149289434
It’s a thoroughly unremarkable comic. It’s absolutely bizarre to defend it so obsessively as if someone can’t dislike it.

I notice you don’t feel so compelled to bitch at anon for saying the bemis run sucked.

The early issues (Moon Knight's first appearance and his first "main run") isn't that good but it's somewhat interesting if you're interested in reading about how a character evolves from a a couple of issues as a villain in an second-fiddler Marvel title, to a Batman-but-less-good expy.

His first "main run" (which cements his origin story, introduces the personas, and his cast of secondary characters) is pretty meh as well, although there's some great issues there and there.

There's a few arcs there and there that are nice, IIRC High Strangeness is supposed ot be well-liked but I only remember the name of it.

I think what's interesting about MK really starts in the famous 2006 run, which really pivoted the character from someone that was useful for filling up a backwood Avengers team to a character that actually offered something different. The quality of the run itself may be up to debate (I wans't too fond of it myself, to be honest, except for a few great moments I just didn't care much), but it's clearly left its imprint on the character ever since.

I think Bendis' run is hated by pretty much everyone.

The real Moon Knight renaissance starts in 2014 with the Marvel Now! relaunch. A short but sweet run mostly made of single issues telling complete stories. You can read them even without deep knowledge of the character, and I think most of the issues are very good.

Lemire's run is quite boring, although it's a decent way to have a clean break from the character's tumultuous and not that valuable history. It's almost immediatly followed by Bemis' run which I find insultingly bad.

MacKay has been Moon Knight's writer since 2021, I don't know if he's the writer that stuck with MK the longest, but he definitely brought a level of consistency to the character and overall his run is very well-liked (and I share the sentiment). You can pick this one with zero knowledge of the character and it still works, although I think reading the 2014 run is a plus.

>>149283572 (OP)
Moon Knight is garbage inconsistent character so don't bother

>>149287227
Well in the second half of the sentence that you cut off, his runs have very strong starts. Lemire is the king at getting a very good hook in and then stringing people along with mediocrity as they hope it gets better

>>149290699
> There's a few arcs there and there that are nice, IIRC High Strangeness is supposed ot be well-liked but I only remember the name of it.
Resurrection War and High Strangeness are the mini's from the 90's that Moench came back to write, both are very good and highlight the unique qualities and duality of the character when he wrote him back in the 80's. Resurrection War is very surreal while High Strangeness is the not quite batman story. Personally Resurrection War is peak because the artstyle really complimented the story (read the scanned version, the omnibus version is shitty because they reduced the color saturation which ruined the vibes of the art)
I agree with most of your assessment though I'll note that MacKay's run does a LOT of callbacks and references to older Moon Knight material so it's very much a treat to read if you're a fan who read the older material

>>149290450
What's more bizarre is your non-stop seething every single thread. We get it, you don't like the run. We all heard you the first two thousand times.
>>149290699
I think Bendis may actually be worse than Bemis. Not by a large margin mind you, but still.
Bemis is shit but there's still some semblance of a character there. It's heavily mangled but it's at least there.
Bendis just didn't care. You can feel the contempt he had for the character and his history.
>Khonshu? Steven Grant? Jake Lockley? >That's too complex, man. Let's just make his split personalities New Avengers, that'll make the book sell.
>and let's shoehorn everybody's favorite character Echo
>and let's have another black OC because it's Bendis
Bemis is awful, but there's something very cynical about Bendis' run that just makes it even worse.

>>149291128
the Bendis book is better Bemis but i do think it's a worse Moon Night book if that makes sense
If Bendis just made it as some dark revamp of Combi-Man it would have been much better received that it was originally

>>149291128
It was during the era of when Bendis was seething that he wasn't allowed to make OCs and immediately get a solo run with said OC so he was going around actively ruining existing heroes by dressing them up in the skin of his OCs. I'm really not surprised that eventually editorial realized what he was doing and just started giving him his solo runs and other writers went and immediately started cleaning up his mess

>>149284794
Look, he only got good once they dropped the "werewolf spit gives him extra strength with the moon" thing.

It's kind of wild how much his early stuff keeps shifting around his lore since most of it was written by the same guy.

>>149290699
>I think Bendis' run is hated by pretty much everyone.
I tried to give it an honest shot, but fuck man, even after I ignored ALL previous continuity, it still sucks.

The end felt unresolved with the heroes just sitting around trying to guess what the villain's plan was, but not knowing for sure. I think it was meant to be Age of Ultron build up, but I don't think there was any payoff once Age of Ultron actually happened since Ultron stopped being part of the story 2 or 3 issues into his own event.

>>149284671
he talks to the fucking moon who gives a shit
just give me a run that isn't boring

>>149290699
I'd like to give a special shoutout to the issues featuring Stained-Glass Scarlet. There's a fantastic ambience in her few appearances.

>>149283572 (OP)
Filtered

>>149291128
Don't forget that one issue that baited the readers with Bullseye on the cover only for it to be a disguise Mark put on for one page. I can hardly remember any other 21st century comics pulling straight up false marketing of this level.

>>149283572 (OP)

I'm going to read the MacKay run.
If it sucks, I will shit on it relentlessly and shit on all of you for wasting my time.
If it's good, I will talk it up and recommend it everywhere.

>>149284794
I agree.

>>149289612
I love that crazy Defenders story.

>>149291274
That’s not unusual for Marvel characters bitd. I do not mind the super strength.

>>149290699
>The early issues (Moon Knight's first appearance and his first "main run") isn't that good
>His first "main run" (which cements his origin story, introduces the personas, and his cast of secondary characters) is pretty meh

You have garbage taste.

>>149290699
>the famous 2006 run

in no way shape or form is that "famous"

>>149294204
For Moon Knight, it's generally considered the best if not one of the best. If it's not famous, neither is Moon Knight, but we all know who he is.....so now, you see why your comment is pedantic jackassery, you histrionic whinging twat

>>149283572 (OP)
Moon Knight with Moench and Sienkiewics is about the only good bit of Moon Knight.
He's a pet character who gets new runs for some reason while Blade, Nova, Dr. Strange,Starlord, etc. wither in an unearned Zlist status

>>149295456
How is there not an ongoing Dr. Strange?

>>149295456
>Starlord
He became a team character.

>Dr. Strange
He gains one from time to time.

>>149295456
Blade is a shit character with a boring gimmick and only moviefags pretend otherwise.
Absolutely nobody cares about Marvel vampires.
The movie was crap anyway. I don't care what your nostalgia tells you.

>>149294192
Name one thing good about it besided Stained Glass Scarlet

>>149295456
Street level is always going to be the most popular superhero genre, because outside of flying bricks, it's the most superhero genre.

Magicians and vampires don't inherently have to do with fighting crime, Moon Knight is just a street vigilante like Batman who has a little bit of supernatural flare, he's not a supernatural character, supernatural characters always get the shaft in comic books because most comic book fans are either scifi geeks who want science or aliens, or people who like vigilante power fantasies

>>149295456
>Moon Knight with Moench and Sienkiewics is about the only good bit of Moon Knight
It really bothers me how there's nothing left of Moench Moon Knight, Moon Knight himself is pretty much a completely different character ever since the 2006 run, he's lost all his supporting cast, all his original rouges gallery is dead, and even the whole mystery of is Khonsu real or just in Marc's head has been done away with.

>>149297622
As a horror fan, Marvel's vampires just suck. (no pun intended) Marvel managed to make Dracula, the most iconic vampire in fiction ever, absolutely uncool. And if the big ones are shit, imagine the slog of watching Blade kill lesser ones over and over. Hell, I generally like MacKay Moon Knight, but even I was this close to checking out during the Tutor arc. Because it was the most fucking boring thing in existence.
For all the "nobody cares about Morbius" memeing over the movie, his ties to Spider-Man make him more interesting than 99% Marvel's vampires.

>>149297751
>Moon Knight himself is pretty much a completely different character ever since the 2006 run
He's been a completely different character since then too. In that run, he was a "im sick of this bullshit" edgy anti-hero who had arguments with his god and just went around wrecking people. In everything since, it's been like "woooah its so trippy whats real what isn;t maybe hes even Wolverine, oh wait now he has a new persona Mr. Knight!"

>>149297799
>He's been a completely different character since then too
That was I meant 2006 run turned him into a different character, sorry if I wasn't being clear

>>149297228
The volume is mostly good in general.

>>149295250
No one considers it noteworthy at all except a vocal minority on /co/.

>>149297804
No I understand, but then they turned him into another different character after that run.

>>149297810
Google disagrees with you

>>149293961
I just finished the second issue.
Yeah, it's not good AT ALL so far, but I will keep going. The art's not very good (crappy character art, overuse of bloom, boring and ugly color palette, bad action choreography), the character's aren't interesting, and the setup so far is not very intriguing. The dialogue is mostly inoffensive, but it's also not entertaining.
The encounter with Hawley is a shittier version of the 7th issue of Gayman's Sandman.

The 2006 run for better or worse put Moon Knight on the normie radar by making him extremely different from Batman. It was actually really hard to describe the character to normies without someone just going "isn't that just Batman?" since, well, they were extremely similar on paper. But it was considered "good" for so long because it was one of the few runs from that era of edge that wasn't complete shit. So many characters were being character assassinated around that time frame. The fall from grace worked out a bit more for Moon Knight because he actually had the supporting cast to make it seem believable. Plus they really did go through a lot of bullshit for him throughout the years

>>149297924
>So many characters were being character assassinated around that time frame
Don't worry, Bendis still tried his best.

>>149292962
I remember how the run tried the intrigue with "oh no, Count Nefaria is way above Marc's league, how would Marc ever beat him?"
And then at the end Avengers just show up and beat up Nefaria in like a few panels. It was hilarious how underwhelming it was.

>>149297924
If a comic doesn't have graphic violence and a hateful view of the world especially criminal demographics, or I didn't read it as a kid, I'm not reading it.

>>149297848
>Google disagrees with you

I hope this post is ironic. Because if it isn't then you are the dumbest poster in /co/ history.

>>149298241
No, that run has long been considered the best, you're just an insular NEET

>>149297924
>The 2006 run for better or worse put Moon Knight on the normie radar by making him extremely different from Batman. It was actually really hard to describe the character to normies
Appealing to normies is always for worse. Also what's wrong with him being somewhat similar to batman, it's not like batman is an extremely original character himself.

I thought this part of the 2006 run was cool

>>149298371
Anti-edge faggots are just outing themselves as queer, because the only people who don't want comic books to be more dark, serious, and edgy, are faggots
>the only two 60s batman fans i've ever seen are fez whately, a cartoonishly gay radio host, and mike mattei, a closet but clearly flamboyant gay internet personality
Gay

>>149294056
I think the part I remember most is the Aquarius robot sitting back with a beer while the battle unfolded. It felt like the kind of thing Giffen would go on to write later on.

>>149295456
/thread

>>149298402
>edge vs no edge out of nowhere
edge fags are truly the most insecure faggots there are, I don't care if it has edge or not I just want good stories that don't commit character assassination.

>>149298402
This is very out of nowhere. I love edge and grimdark but that's completely unrelated to misery porn. It's a shame cool edgy things are associated with angst and self pity parties. I just think edge looks cool and want them to just do cool shit

>>149298358
>that run has long been considered the best

no it hasn't

>>149297924
>The 2006 run for better or worse put Moon Knight on the normie radar

this never happened

>>149284671
>nuance
>in a thread about moon knight

>>149283572 (OP)
Right at the end of the run.

>>149298529
To me there are three distinct types of edge.
The cool edge AKA Punisher/Spawn/Wolverine when he's not tied to X-Men types of anti-heroes
The horror edge AKA every slasher movie that isn't PG13 or any horror movie/series/any other type of work featuring gore
And "woe is me" pity party edge AKA Jessica Jones
Only the former two are cool.

>>149298698
Ironic that you mention Spawn, I read the first few issues of the original run to see the art and Spawn spends a LOT of time wallowing in his own self pity. But considering he's an awful person and deserved to be in hell, I never actually felt sorry for him lol

>>149297751
His supporting cast was moronic anyway. Moon Knight is a character that gets sold to you as having multiple personality disorder but when you read it it's just some rich guy with a gold digger wife and his own Alfred, he goes out and pretends to be a cab driver but doesn't gather intel that way, he just goes to a diner and asks his two poor friends (one being a damn homeless) for new info, and then he hires that woman's kids to tail people and puts them in harm's way. But at least it has a handful of good issues, the Houston run feels like a damn shitpost with vomit tier art. Seeing people trying to defend that run just shows the hypocrisy of /co/, ain't no way this board wouldn't have busted a gasket if that run came out today and Frenchie suddenly comes out as gay for Mark.

>>149298752
I'll be honest, I never actually READ Spawn.
I base my opinions on the HBO animated series, lmao.
Which actually did a good job at making him look cool.

>>149298633
Nobody cared about Moon Knight before 06

>>149298529
That's fair honestly, angst =/= edge, like Linkin Park isn't edgy they're just gay and cry a lot. However, 06 Moon Knight has a bit of angst but I'd say it leans more to the edgy.....he was a pretty pure psycho anti-hero ready to kill anyone, which is what I like personally. All my favorite heroes kill and even enjoy it, other than Batman and Spider-Man who are just like childhood favorites really, no killing is idiotic to me. Angst alone isn't edgy, but edgy characters often have angst

>>149298852
I mean, the Spawn series was kinda better than the comics. As cool as Spawn is, his comics were very meandering and nothing happened a lot of the times, you'd buy an issue with a cool cover and wind up just looking at two weirdo cops dialogue, the animated series condensed it enough while also capturing the vibes you came for

>>149298887
god namefags and tripfags really are the dumbest and most annoying posters

>>149298916
I'm right in every point, you're just a queer faggot zoomer who needs to be lynched

>>149298887
>Nobody cared about Moon Knight before 06

Objectively false and delusional.

>>149299062
You weren't alive in the 90s so idc. And no, nobody older than 90s kids posts on 4chan so don't LARP

If Moon Knight was remotely popular before then, I would have heard of him, and he'd have video games, cartoons, and toys like even c listers like Iron Man and Ghost Rider got. And Moon Knight would have been prime to capitalize on the Batman fever that ruled the 90s, but he wasn't even known enough to do that

>>149299183
you have to be the stupidest poster in the history of /co/

>>149299183
People will argue but you're right.
Moon Knight was niche as fuck. Just like Iron Fist and Shang Chi. Marvel people knew him but he was nobody's favorite. Nobody had a Moon Knight t-shirt

>>149299183
Ghost Rider, specifically Dan Ketch, was stupid popular in the 90's hence why he had and still has a lot of merch. His look also was super iconic too so even normies would have heard or seen him around. What's not to love about a hellrider on a burning motorcycle with a flaming skull for a head?

>>149299183
>the world revolves around my personal experiences
seek help and there is a difference between not being mainstream normalfag tier and no one having heard of the character

>>149299495
Nobody heard of Moon Knight in the 90s other than the 1 percent of hardcore comic readers

>>149284712
The Doeg Moench's Moon Knight is certainly one of the few Cape comics that you could probably say is magical realism, since even the more straightforward stories go into weird Dream logic half the time and everything is veiled in an air of mystery.

>>149298930
>oomer
go back tourist

>>149299893
>tourist
Nice /mu/ lingo, my chart is literally the only one with albums unknown to 90 percent of the board. If you're trying to apply that to comics, that's fucking stupid, but if anyone is the "tourist" it's the person who's too young to have ever been a participant in comic book culture, aka buying and reading comics when they came out, at an actual comic book store, not youtube or 4chan

This is a nostalgia board, deal with it, you're a secondary

>>149299915
I hate that I can no longer look at HIM' pentagram without immediately thinking about Bam Margera.
Shit like that ruins you.

>>149299915
>Nice /mu/ lingo
huh? unironically take your meds