Could the core concept work if Mr enter was less autistic?

No, but the mayor girl was hot

>>149293235 (OP)
I never even really understood the core concept. How do the kids have all the knowledge and skills to do the jobs that require years of education, training and experience? Or was it supposed to be some kind of Benjamin Button world where people aged backwards?

>>149293235 (OP)
lol his shitty self insert playing hop scotch. He's so embarrassing.

With how susceptible Enter is to backlash (got buckbroken into praising Turning Red after his infamous review) and with him not getting any younger (he's in his 30s now), I'm pretty sure this concept is dead and buried, as in he probably doesn't even like it himself anymore.

>>149293327
>was it supposed to be some kind of Benjamin Button world where people aged backwards?
Nope, people age normally and you just naturally lose your rights as you grow up.

>>149293329
But if (you) wanted your oc donut steel you'll have to pay 500

>>149293235 (OP)
Only if it was an absurd humor thing, kind of like Wayside.

>>149293495
>you just naturally lose your rights as you grow up
So is there a reverse aoc, like you get to a certain age and you can't fuck any more?

>>149293235 (OP)
No, the core concept of kids taking on adult roles and adults taking on kids roles is inherently flawed in that it's bound to be illogical and full of plot holes. However, that's not necessarily a bad thing, many cartoons fall apart when you apply strict logic to their worlds, yet they can still be fun and entertaining.
The real problem with Growing Around is that Enter is a bad writer, and he is very creatively bankrupt, so any fun or interesting ideas that could come from the concept end up being wasted.
When you think about it, the best idea he could come up with for the concept was a series where girls hang out and do girly things in a whimsical, colorful world, which isn't all that different from countless other shows aimed at little girls.

The problem Enter had is that in trying to handwave and explain the concept, it just introduced more questions.
The basic concept of "What if the world ran on kid logic and kids were the rulers?" is a fine cartoon concept and would make for a fun wacky series, but I think that Enter and even people on /co/ take it WAAAYYYY too seriously.

>>149293674
No, like, you're actually expected to have kids at some point so they can become your guardians.
If you don't have kids, you're basically put up for adoption.

>>149293695
>The basic concept of "What if the world ran on kid logic and kids were the rulers?" is a fine cartoon concept
It's a fine concept when adult/child role reversal is a time-limited plot device, which has been done many times before in things like Freaky Friday. It's a lot harder to just handwave an entire functioning society based on permanent role reversal. Sooner or later questions would come up about how things work in such a world just in the course of normal plot writing. If you don't have answers for those questions then you can't really do anything with the setting.

>>149293832
Eh, I see your point but still mostly disagree. It's like KND, think about the nuance of it too much and it falls apart. I know that part of the implication is none of it is actually happening, but even ignoring that the show still works.

>>149293845
>It's like KND
That's insulting to KND.

>>149293895
Out of context, yes, but in context of the conversation you can make the same arguments for KND. The difference being is that KND actually makes good use of the premise and does actually creative fun stuff to distract you from the questions that would undo the premise. Growing Around doesn't do that and in the pursuit of answering questions it raises other ones.
World building in this type of show should start and stop at "What kind of things would a kid imagine to make this work?" NOT "How can we make this make logical sense?"

>>149293695
the problem is that enter took it seriously. nobody else would take it seriously if that wasn't enter's intent. sometimes an idea is so inherently absurd that taking it seriously only makes it more ridiculous. like you mentioned KND which was smart enough to not make every adult evil and have half the conflicts be the kids being bratty. the animatrix parody could've been a crazy universe-destroying lorebomb but i don't think it even got referenced again so it manages to just be a silly self-contained episode.

>>149293954
Enter trying to sell us on the idea that kids somehow managed to not only take control of society back in prehistoric times, but also make present day a futuristic utopia was too much.

>>149294030
See, the problem seems to be that he was trying to do that as actual world building. If it was a one off joke that pointed out the absurdity of the premise then moved on, something like that would be fine.

>>149293275
Enter is sure is good at getting tism women to work on his projects.

Wasn't there a bit of a recurring thing involving crossdressing?

No.
It's utter retardation.

>>149293327
I think people like you are as autistic as enter, its just a cartoon, you can make this type of shit easy with some cartoony dumb explanation.

There's some entity or kids built a faction like KND and after winning a war against adults they established a new status quo that growing aroused is painted into. Its not that hard, you don't need to go that deep.

>>149295246
they could write some conspiration about the people running this society being michael jackson type beings that keep themselves young by drainng children of their childhoods and wanting to live in a foreverlike dreamland commanded by children or someshit like that, Kids would contantly go missing and return to the city already as adults with no idea of what happened. Make adrenochromium real.

>>149295246
Yeah, that's been said a couple of times now but I'm interested what you think a typical plot would be in this setting that doesn't somehow have to take into account how the world functions. Because the role reversal of adults and kids IS the whole hook of the show, right? So what would you suggest as storylines that don't ever need to bother explaining how that role reversal actually works in practice?

>>149295376
>storylines that don't ever need to bother explaining how that role reversal actually works in practice?
Dummy, that's not what i said, i said that it doesn't need to be that cohesive, you can make explanations that conflict with each other by having an episodic styled cartoon. In one episode i can have adults running to a refugee island where they do taxes and drink coffee all the time, next episodes we can have the same adults returning to status quo.

This is the same shit of being too engaged on stewing being able to be understood by family members in family guy sometimes. The answer aways is, the writers wanted to tell a story and ignored a rule that wasnt that important to begin with. The animation wouldn't stop working, the jokes aren't necessarily dependant on how deep it goes.

>>149295376
>episode starts with girl waking up making breakfast and saying foods ready
>adults run to table, hate what she made and make a face as they run to couch and play vidya
>as kid goes out she says, hey dad can you take out the trash?
>he scratches his balls and says yeah whatever kid
enters autism aside yall niggas really overthought the premise. its may not be enough the carry a show and the joke is kids but adults but it really wasnt that deep.

>>149295376
Have an episode on "pupil free day" and follow what the adults do when not forced to go to school.
Have an episode on the "Teenager collective" in a mad max pastiche.
Have an episode of the world's stuffing supply running out, forcing the stuffed animal factory to try and find other alternatives, hilarity ensues as kids try to figure out what to replace stuffing with.
I dunno nigger, find a kid and ask them "If you were in charge of the world, what would you do?" and write episodes around that. NOTE: I do not endorse Enter being around kids.

>>149294067
yeah, it's enter's fetish

>>149296151
The man needs help.

>>149293235 (OP)
I admittedly don't get what the "core concept" was supposed to be. Could someone explain it? I might have a shot at guessing from that, even if the answer is likely "no".

>>149296218
What would happen if kids were in adult positions and adults were treated like kids? Basically, what would a kid do if they were the teacher and the adults were the students except broadened to a whole society.

>>149293407
>With how susceptible Enter is to backlash
No kidding, he got so cowed over wanting to kill the modern spongebob writers that he not only softened on later spongebob a lot but even said season 11 is better than the first three seasons

>>149296218

Read the kickstarter:
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/growing-around-the-cartoon-where-kids-rule#/

Kids are the ones in charge of adults and take the adults to school, drive, do taxes, etc while the adults all act like kids. and the kids act like kids. Everybody acts like kids.

It's good for a few gags, but without better worldbuilding and and explanation on the rules of the world, you can't do more then a few gags.

IMO my biggest issue with it is that since the Adults take the role of children, and the children act like children, there's no differentiation between the two. What's the difference between being an adult or kid other then the height difference?

It could work with some tweaks, but then it'd be a different show. If you make the adults act like adults then you could turn it into a Wish Fulfillment fantasy, like the parents want to eat vegetables but the kids make them eat ice cream. This still only works for quick gags, though.

If you got rid of the parents then you could have a society run by kids on kid logic. The existence of the parents, and that sometime between adulthood and childhood people lose their... privleges? handcuffs the series, the characters can't mature too much because the show's rules mean these characters will eventually be forced to lose that maturity.

>>149296716
The premise is retarded but it could've worked as a gag show like the Fairly Oddparents (which has a similarly broken and retarded premise but was obviously a hit), the problem is that Enter wanted it to be a serious lore show that explored trauma and shit, his vision of it was literally "Bojack Horseman for kids"

>>149293235 (OP)
There was really no excuse for him not to do this when LS Mark could make his own shitty cartoon. I think Mark might be slightly higher spectrum than Enter since he didn't insist his fans hand him $250K for an episode

>token black family
>3 basket hoops
>purp house
fucking hell
it also looks like overdesigned garbage, how is it that a cartoon reviewer doesn't know that
character design is simplified for the sake of animation and the animators?

>>149293504
>bratty loli biting you
Not worth 500 bucks but the guy knows what people want, at least.

>>149296778
I don't think they are too complicated of designs outside of maybe the shading, if anything the most complicated are backgrounds.

>>149293407
I seem to remember that the main thing to praise in Turning Red (working through the generational trauma of the family) completely went over his head because he chose to be autistic about the setting which led to the absurd 9/11 critique.

>>149296651
>>149296716
...Oh boy. That is something else.

You know, I think I could work with that, but the issue would be sticking to the core concept, which frankly sucks. But I guess if I had a shot at it, it'd go;

>In an astounding case of cartoon logic on par with KND, kids all over the world who are sick of being treated like, well, kids, decide to emancipate themselves and run away to a previously undiscovered continent in the Pacific
>Adults laugh and let the kids do so thinking they'll come crawling back
>10 years later, Kidtopia stands as a shining beacon of society, having solved war, major crimes, hunger, disease, and even aging
>Meanwhile, rest of the world is a mess as the adults have no one to offload all their chores onto and thus polluted it beyond repair
>Kidtopia cuts a deal with the US to accept a trial basis of new immigrants to live in their city, with the condition that they must work their way up from the bottom as second-class citizens with all the responsibilities that entails
>Adults who are immigrating to Kidtopia are actually plotting to work their way up the ranks until they can basically reinstate the same old world order and force kids to do all their old chores like before
>And then soon discover that aside from being restricted on where they can go unsupervised and having to do the demeaning chores, they're given a lot of leeway to do whatever they want, to essentially be a kid again if they choose to...as long as they give up their dignity for it, as well as the "fun" parts of adulthood that go with it like driving and money and "root beer"

>Show is now less about the kids acting like adults and more about a select group of double-agent adults trying to adapt to a world where they're no longer on top and trying to decide if they would do anything to preserve their power and constant responsibilities of adulthood, or if they prefer the lack of responsibilities and powerlessness of childhood

>>149297024
As for the kids side, just make it a full on parody of adult life, just running it on KND tier kid's logic and utopian. Like how war is waged with paintguns and NERF wepaons, or how the economy literally goes up and down by spinning a giant wheel, or how pure sugar is basically treated like crack and heavily regulated to avoid everyone in the government from having hardcore sugar crashes. You know, stupidly easy potshots and gags.

>>149293235 (OP)
no no and no

>>149293235 (OP)
If he worked up to it? Sure

>>149297024
>>149297061
See, this isn't hard to make the premise work, it's just you gotta take it as a gag-a-second cartoon instead of something serious.

>>149297102
It took me like ten minutes at most to think that up, so I have no idea how the actual creator never considered that angle at all

>>149297126
You're probably nowhere near as autistic as Enter, that's why. This entire thing feels like he's trauma dumping about how much his parents sucked as well as his crossdressing fetish

>>149293235 (OP)
>this fucking thread again
Hell no.

>>149293235 (OP)
NO! And stop bringing up this internet nobody! Jesus Fucking Christ.

>>149297139
Must be one hell of a crossdressing fetish

>a world where kids are in charge of adults
>The adults act like adults, and the kids act like kids

>>149297179
I don't have it saved so some anon help me but he loved putting the boy in dresses that he'd feel visibly uncomfortable in. I recognize this because it's also my fetish but Enter insists he's "asexual" and he's doing it for "empowerment" or whatever the hell

>>149297222
I don't see what the issue with that is, the kids would want to still act like kids but be in charge, while those stinky boring adults would probably still act like adults.
Having kids act like adults and adults act like kids would just be swapping the character models.

>>149297231
For an internet critic, that sounds like the right level of weird personal hangup

>>149296716
>while the adults all act like kids. and the kids act like kids. Everybody acts like kids.
I think this is the biggest problem, the concept wants to have its cake and eat it too. It wants to lean into the idea that if kids were adults, they'd have a very childish way of running the world, so you get the wacky colorful setting in this pic
>>149293235 (OP)
But then at the same time, it wants to justify adults being in the kids roles by having them essentially be manchildren/womanchildren since otherwise they wouldn't need taking care of by their child "parents". This means that pretty much everyone acts immaturely, so there's no interesting dynamics between the adults and the kids.

>>149297239
if the roles are reversed but the personalities are intact then what's the point? it'd be like if Spongebob and Squidward switched places but the krabby patties were still good.

>>149297239
>I don't see what the issue with that is,
Then you're stupid.

>>149297316
I don't get your point, your example doesn't line up with the premise where the world itself has changed simply because of the world now running on kids logic. Using your analogy then the swap does produce a noticeable change in how the Krabby Patties are cooked and what type of service customers receive.

>>149297327
Stupid.

>>149293275
where are the lewds?

>>149295246
You missed the part where Enter specifically made this series with the overt intention of overexplaining everything in a "realistic" way. Anons aren't baffled by the premise because they can't imagine a simplified and whimsical explanation. Their problem is that Enter wrote an excessive amount of answers as hard canon lore for how the world works. You don't get to 'tism up your own funny story because there's already a story and it's fucking stupid.

>>149293235 (OP)
It depends on whether they mention 9/11.

>>149297432
She just looks like a slightly aged up Pacifica. There's more than enough r34 of her to render it kind of unnecessary.

>>149293235 (OP)
it’s just a retarded concept that falls apart when you think about it for more than 10 seconds

>>149293695
No they didn’t, enter is that bad at world building.

Yes but as long as the Johnny didn't overthink the concept

if the adults still behave as adults does that mean they have sex and drink beer? then wouldn't the kids be in charge of the breweries and star in the BLACKED RAW videos and whatnot?
this is so stupid and not family friendly at all. there has to be some acknowledgement of conflict so the premise can make sense.

>>149297649
>there has to be some acknowledgement of conflict so the premise can make sense.
No there doesn't. You are making the same mistake Enter is, taking the premise way too seriously.

>>149297442
Well what do you think happens when you let a kid fly a plane? Seriously you don't want to see my old pilot wings 64 days

what happens if a kid commits a crime, do they go to jail? I wonder what the Growing Around version of prison rape is like.

>>149297731
It's just middle school bullying at worst.

>>149297765
this is why this pitch doesn't work

>>149293695
Yeah, he tried to make this a serious lore cartoon when the premise totally collapses outside of a goofy mindless comedy

>>149297834
You make it a two minute or less gag series that airs between commercial bumpers.

>>149297731
>statutory rape law in Growing Around world
>kid gets sent to prison and made a registered sex offender for life for sexual contact with a major

I think Enter wanted to make Craig of the Creek but everywhere.

>>149297663
Fuck off retard

I had a slightly similar concept for a comic or maybe even a cartoon but after seeing the backlash this guy got I decided to box it and hide it under my bed forever.

>>149298440
burn it to make sure its gone for good

>>149293235 (OP)
Sure, I can think of a few ways this could work
>make the kid society an independent nation, show off diplomatic and/or antagonistic relations with other real-world nations
>make it a dystopic and lean into the confusion by centering on a normal family trying to understand this world
>make it funnier, lean into the retarded societal rules for conflict. Either the kids learn lessons that help them run this world better or they learn nothing and make everything worse for comedy.
>make it an educational show about jobs. Preschool audiences can suspend their disbelief way more easily than older audiences.

Enter lost the rights to Growing Around btw

>>149299491
KWAB

>>149299491
Wait really when did that happen ?

>>149293235 (OP)
The artstyle gives off vibes of this artstyle that became popular among geeks in the 2000’s

It would’ve been so fucking funny if this became an actual show, like imagine a guy going from making autistic reviews to making an actual cartoon with broken ass worldbuilding like this. Enter definitely has improved a lot overtime while still fucking up every now and then but in the alternate timeline where this shit somehow became an actual series he would’ve been an even worse lolcow than he already is.

>this whole thing started because of a short with the same concept that Enter wanted to better execute
Yeah, this is a concept more fit for a short than a whole show

>>149297919
That's too interesting of an idea. He wanted to make an entire series out of a failed pilot cartoon that someone else made where kids were in charge and adults were treated like Kids. And then he wrote a ton of scripts and a book and a bunch of other shit and it's all fucking retarded.

>>149293235 (OP)
The kids have the role of adults and adults have the role of kids.
In a goofy comedy it could probably work as a power fantasy thing aimed at children (kinda like how Fairly Oddparents and KND are kid power fantasy cartoons) but the problem is Enter inserted his traumatic hangups from his own childhood and made the world too convoluted by trying to explain how the lore even works realistically

>>149293235 (OP)
It can never work because it’s an unresolved overreaction to being parented, written by a latchkey kid who is constantly failing to figure out what it is he wanted as a child that might have made his life better.

>>149299745
>>149299758
https://youtu.be/ZMTsKu_E8lQ?t=462
See 7:42

>>149293235 (OP)
Has Mr Enter done anything other than that project?

>>149300891
Growing Around would’ve been a better concept if it was just a funny wacky Looney Tunes-like stuff rather than something made to be taken seriously.

Let’s not forget that Enter got the idea from the Shorty McShortShorts pilot Flip-Flopped, which I feel did the concept better cause it wasn’t taking itself seriously at all, it was just trying to be a cartoon with an absurd premise.

Growing Around on the other hand was made in a post-Adventure Time world where all cartoons have to have some kind of lore to them and be story-driven. This kind of cartoon dosen't fit a wacky premise like Growing Around, it causes people to question the world building. You think anyone questions why a Sponge lives in a pineapple under the sea? No cause it’s a funny cartoon that’s not supposed to make sense or have loreshit.

>>149296960
>I AM SO HIGH
>I CAN HEAR HEAVEN

>>149293235 (OP)
Has Mr Wnter achieve?

>>149298440
It can't be THAT bad anon

>>149293235 (OP)
You can work it out for it.

>>149293235 (OP)
Unless the kids are brought by a stork, I'm genuinely concerned about adults with the mentality of children procreating.

>>149303932
It was about a spooky post-apocalyptic world where adults suddenly disappeared without trace, leaving children to pick up the pieces and form their own civilization. The problem is that whenever a kid started puberty, they would also disappear overnight leading to decreased populations over time. Sometimes, babies or toddlers would pop up in cities, but this event was rare enough for some kids to start forming religions around it.
The overall technology and aesthetics were very KND inspired, with a big emphasis on toys that somehow worked as tools too.
The twist is that the world was somehow split into two realities, one with only adults and the other with only children. Children without adults were forced to assume roles of responsibility in a poor emulation of mature life, but their sense of wonder and fun allowed them to push forward with a smile by convincing themselves they were playing, not working. On the other hand, adults without children slowly degenerated into a society of immature people that rewards selfishness and often reaped the rewards of the kid society's hard work, filled with childish entitlement while at the same time being incredibly unhappy due to their lack of purpose.

>>149296716
>IMO my biggest issue with it is that since the Adults take the role of children, and the children act like children, there's no differentiation between the two. What's the difference between being an adult or kid other then the height difference?
I agree.
IMHO the premise of a kid-run society would run better without adults at all.
Just say that a bunch of children were thrown in an island and build their own society there. A sort of Lord of the Flies but whimsical and colourful.