Thread 149297177

Why do many anons on /co/ seem so eager for artists to get replaced by AI?
Is it for any real reason or just for laughs?

>>149297177 (OP)
Its a combination of many factors. Not being able to afford a commission, not liking beanface and cal arts in general, speed and somewhat efficiency, being able to get mostly what they want no questions asked, able to get the style of artists they like and have them do things the artist would've never wanted to do.

>>149297177 (OP)
Women artists are moralfag cunts
Fuck them

giant undeserved egos along with absurd commission prices

>>149297177 (OP)
animation has fallen billions must gen ai sloppa

>>149297177 (OP)
They're indians, anon.

>>149297177 (OP)
Anons here are schizophrenic when it comes to what they want out of the industry and even indie work
>They want animation to be done on cels again
>They want zero outsourcing
>They want animators to not care about conditions or pay and only work out of le passion
>They don't want to pay for any cartoons
>They want indie creators to make full fledged hand drawn cartoon while working a real job and if they try to monetize, they're selling out
Also
>Inb4: /co/ is not one person
This site is so baren post hack it may as well be

>>149297177 (OP)
Majority of them might as well be AI

>>149297285
This was mentioned in a different thread but it's the fact that most animators (and artists in general) are lefties and anons really don't like that, especially when it seeps into their work (which to be fair it occasionally does in annoying ways). Since no one browsing this shithole has any talent they want AI to advance enough to make their own sloptoons essentially

>>149297296
>Implying studios aren't using it as we speak

Personally, I'm not happy, just completely indifferent.
It just means crap I don't watch will be replaced by crap generated by a computer that I don't watch.

>>149297177 (OP)
Laziness and laughs. The true believers get their shinies, the trolls get to watch two groups of speeds get pissed off. Whether or not AI art actually replaces anything is irrelevant, they get their entertainment either way

>>149297177 (OP)
Most of /co/ are normies in denial and normies love slop. They genuinely crave it. I really do believe that the mainstream audience will eat up ai animation with a spoon if it gets convincing enough

>>149297307
EXACTLY, NOBODY NOTICED. THATS HOW SHIT MODERN ARTISTS ARE.

>>149297177 (OP)
I will never forgive the mods for removing unique poster count. It was the only way to know how legit a thread was short of thread IDs. Because it this I can't know if the AI threads are popular or just samefagging

>>149297177 (OP)
Accelerationism, this isn't personally against just comic or animation artists, I want it to screw over as many industries as possible because that's the only way to get society alarmed enough to do something about it

I ain't commissioning thirty portraits for goblins when I can gen them myself and they look good enough on a little ass VTT token. Nobody lost any money from me because I would never spend it on that in the first place. Now I got infinite goblins and tumblr can focus on charging each other for porn of whatever long legged Dutch uncle they're obsessed with today so the overall happiness in the world increased.

>>149297177 (OP)
AI broh here
50% salty envy
50% genuine belief they deserve it

>>149297177 (OP)
Some artists are cunts so I won't mind them getting replaced.

>>149297537
what about the artists who aren't?

>>149297177 (OP)
Funny enough, it has to do with your image. They're crabs

>>149297571
They’re negligible. Check out the social media of any artist, and I guarantee you they are insufferable.

>>149297177 (OP)
This is the reply I got from an artist who left my commission inquiry on read for 2 months, suddenly came back and said they could do it, then left me on read for another week before rug-pulling me with this crap. I don't give a fuck how much you scream SOULLESS INDIANS AAAUUUUGH I'm not tolerating this pathetic lazy self-entitled horseshit any longer.

>>149297684
Is this a falseflag made to make AIjeets look super petty or are AIjeets just genuinely this petty?

They were too uppity

Off topic threads are cancer and against >>>/co/rules/1
OP is a faggot.
Fulfill your civic duty to help purge this board of anarchistic, sociopathic, intellectually regressive youtube/reddit/twitter immigrant subhumans like him who are under the delusion that all of 4chan (instead of just the designated shitposting playpens like /b/, /trash/, /bant/, etc.) is a toilet by reporting this thread en masse.
Here's a link so you don't have to scroll up to the top of the page.
https://sys.4chan.org/co/imgboard.php?mode=report&no=149297177

>>149297177 (OP)
>Why do many anons on /co/ seem so eager for artists to get replaced by AI?
Because artists keep turning out to be neurotic assholes

>>149297197
I unironivslly want to see the Biblical apocalypse happen.

>>149297177 (OP)
Zoomers dont like art and have no souls, that's why

>>149297177 (OP)
Animators are le woke leftists so I simply MUST consoom AI slop.

>>149297177 (OP)
Bots

>>149297512
Shut the fuck up and kys Sandeep

90% of this thread is genuinely just ideologically captured retards and shitposters. If you have ever used AI and had to work around the limitations of it, you would drop the culture warrior bullshit
>>149297885
>Corporate needs you to find the differences between these pictures
>They're the same picture

>>149297177 (OP)
The answer is simple. They can't create anything of their own so they see this as an opportunity to become the "artist" they never could. Putting down others actually working on the craft and putting in the dedication makes them feel better about their own shortcomings. AI fags don't create art they use a machine that stole others talent to make up for the lack of it.

>>149299538
This

>>149297177 (OP)
It's not about being eager, it's about higher quality. If the comic industry is going to use every trick it can to screw itself over (compare a 1980 comic vs 2025 comic) then it may as well pump out some pinup girls while doing so.

>>149297684
>bitches and whines and shits himself over an artist politely declining their commission request
>literally got the nicest possible message explaining that they wouldn’t wanna just take their money and make them wait even longer because they couldn’t give it attention
>a commission you never even paid for, or even put any stake into besides having to wait for a response
>has the nerve to call this artist pathetic and “self-entitled” despite displaying the most pathetic and entitled behavior I have ever seen
I hope every single day of your life is as miserable as possible. You piece of shit.

>>149299210
>90% of this thread is genuinely just ideologically captured retards and shitposters
That's pretty much everyone arguing for the merits of AI art I've ever encountered

>>149300506
>ACKCHYUALLY it's the pro-AI posters who are like this even though this thread indicates otherwise
Found the ideologically captured retard. You could have said both sides are bad and we could have had an agreement

>have no skill
>this thing called ai art appears
>can make pictures now with no skill
>but the pictures kind of suck
>get angry when told gens are shit
>start putting down digital artists so that people will come around to liking your ai gens
>start saying any artist is shit despite ai only having the potential to replicate digital 2d art and animation
>be unable to make the distinction because english is your second language (first being hindi)
Thats the gist of it

>>149297177 (OP)
It's pervs who are upset they have to pay for commissions.

I just don't care about slop, whether it's produced by humans or AI, and at this point comics and cartoons are 99.99% slop, so it's all the same to me.

>>149300616
And they're still upset because AI also cannot make those commissions happen.
They won't admit it because of their petty, vindictive attitude, but if they could simply use AI instead they'd just do that instead of continuing to cry and complain about artists. But AI isn't there yet. It still isn't good enough to handle their commissions and make them look good. It just isn't possible.

>>149300569
But I'd be lying, anon. They're both filled with obnoxious retards, yes, but they're bad for different reasons, and one is far more obnoxious about it than the other.

HOLY SHIT WE REALLY NEEDED A THREAD FOR YOUR PERSONAL QUALM WITH RANDOM PEOPLE ON OTHER OFF TOPIC THREADS.
THANK GOD AI CAN NEVER REPLACE YOU WITH HOW STUPID OF A NIGGER YOU ARE

>>149297177 (OP)
It's mostly zoomers who grew up with ass-ugly cartoons, so they have acquired a taste for the low budget/no effort aesthetic.

>Artists (mostly women)
>Leftist moralfags
>Push pronouns
>Push tranny globohomo
>Push mental illness and disabilities
>Push yaoi
>Push abortion
>Push drag queen story time pedoshit
>Push blm/raceswapping
>Pro Ukraine, hate Trump

But AI crosses the line for them

>>149300700
you know youre not required to do any of that to draw pictures right

>>149297177 (OP)
It's just retarded conservatives that think that the evil leftists ruined cartoons and blame artists because of loud and annoying blue-hairs on Twitter, completely ignoring everything going on in the industry and broader economy in general in terms of corporate consolidation and ruining everything in the name of shareholder value because corporate leaders are now from consultancies and MBA programs, rather than people that actually worked in and understand the industries they're "leading". Conservatives are low-IQ in general and are easily led to believe that the problem in society is everything except the corporate masters that run everything.

>>149300733
Actual schizophrenia

>>149300712
You've never met a woman

>>149300804
I agree, the conservative mass psychosis is an international phenomenon and is causing massive problems across the planet. Dozens of children are dead in Texas because conservatives don't believe in weather satellites anymore.

Leftoids are gonna be happy to know they have the schizophrenic guy belittling dead kids for the sake of an online argument on their side

>>149300861
>belittling dead kids
Those words don't mean what you think they mean, schizoid ESL. Sorry you can't handle the truth that conservatives are ruining everything, but I don't blame you. It must be hard living in the modern world with a 70 IQ.

Mindbroken

>>149300700
I don't know why western artists pretend they never did any of this stuff, they've been caping for the retards pushing this "all art is political" stuff for over a decade.
They should have stuck to drawing hot chicks and funny faces like their eastern counterparts.

>>149297177 (OP)
I am no artist. I couldn't draw my way out of a paper bag. I've accepted this cruel disappointment and instead take every opportunity to commission and support actual artists who are making content I want to see more of. I don't want actual artists to be replaced, but I do want them to realize that AI is just another tool in their arsenal, one that's admittedly still imperfect and in early days, and one that they can make use of or not as they choose, but a tool all the same.

The only people I want to see replaced are the people who, like me, have no fucking aptitude for making art, but who, unlike me, insist they should still get money for it: Webcomic makers who drag along hundred of patrons for years just rearranging the same cut-and-paste assets every week; people who think typing a company's name in a white sans-serif font and slapping it on a plain single-color background is "graphic design"; etc.

>>149301073
Most artists do that already, thankfully. Most of the objections primarily seem to come from the people whose art is being scraped for data without referencing or acknowledging them. And it's not a new thing, artists have always been fighting against having their art taken and edited/repurposed without giving them an inch of credit. And most who just use AI prompting as is don't seem to really get that's the main beef there, the lack of acknowledgement to the efforts of the guys whose work their generated images are built upon in part. That and the money-making, but mostly the lack of credit.

>>149299210
my grips with ai is that at the end, it isn't truly art as its origin was artificial.
there is no individual person who drew and put their own passion in that art, no trace of a soul or originality within.
instead the machine did all the work for them and produced plastic shit.
just because some fucker flipped a burger doesn't make them a chef, the same way you can refer to those who use ai to generate artificial soulless images.

>>149300700
Just consoom AI then, nobody is stopping you.
Crybaby.

>>149301252
Or just consume art not made by westerners.

>>149301230
I could have told you the same thing, but none of that warrants the culture warrior crusades you see in threads like this

>>149297697
>>149300503
>anon posts their legitimate problem with artists
>dilating xitterina sub-human takes zero responsibility and continues crying about their boogeyman thus vindicating anon's point
Enjoy the flames of hell you vermin

>>149301230
>my grips with ai is that at the end, it isn't truly art
yeah it is, its just shitty and soulless like you said. its still art
i subscribe to the dadaist mindset of anything being art so long as it was created with artistic intent. the label "art" has no prestige and it never should. if i shit in a can of pringles and call it an art piece, its an art piece.

>>149297283
TRVTH

>>149297684
Imagine posting this and thinking you don't look like the asshole in this situation.

>>149301308
>their legitimate problem
That's not a legitimate problem, that you being a faggy, whiny loser literally wanting someone to suffer because they politely explained that they wouldn't be able to take on your commission that you didn't even pay for yet and lost nothing on.
You're a faggot.

>>149301347
>I politely told my job I was too lazy and inept to show up, yet they still gave me the boot! how dare my failure to commit have consequences!
You zoomoids are something else.

>>149301422
>my job
You didn't pay them you retard.
Is this a bot?

>>149301422
>you WORK for ME, ARTSLAVE (even though i havent paid you)
holy entitled
i sincerely hope this is an anti-ai falseflag

>>149301431
Not only did he not pay them but it's totally lost on him that commissions probably aren't their day job, lmao

>>149297177 (OP)
We never know the minds of anon, other than them being a hypocrites.

>>149297177 (OP)
As a draw-fag, it was kind of inevitable and a slow rolling train wreck that had been coming for a long time now. Between 3rd worlders able to undercut all competition with artists in countries that have a higher GDP and AI, it is what it is. Although I think SFW is kinda fucked. Butt, I think the NSFW scene will survive still. Oddly enough, and it's kind of a double edged sword, but coomers and fappers actually appreciate "art" if we can call it that. Far more than the average normie ever will. There is something unique and special about a non-perfectly drawn image. The concept of the perfect within the imperfect. The sad thing I see more is this will kill industry jobs, and that was already bad enough with outsourcing to other countries. I'm not mad at AI users, hell I use it myself for generic coom I don't see. But it's weird the vitriol they have for draw-fags, which idk if it's trolling or just anger at commissions, cus not everyone who draws has good business sense to do commissions. (I know I don't, I dragged my feet, and offered a full refund and the image free) I am more motivated to draw what I want to draw, unless I get a strange spark of inspiration to fill a request on one of the draw-threads and even then, I feel shameful for asking for a donation to ko-fi or something.

>>149302036
getting good at art demands commitment, and getting popular demands enough social skill to market yourself, and both also require the patience to see through failed attempts.
the kind of person who champions AI art is someone with no patience, no social skills, and no commitment. knowing that, their behavior is well within expectations.

Artists are all entitled assholes with terminal narcissism. Notice how streamers like Asmongold and Ironmouse would be far easier to replace with AI than artists? But they still aren’t, because the public actually likes them as human beings.

>>149302066
Yeah, I'd agree with that. Art takes a long time and each person's learning is different and different people will see wildly different results and improvement speeds. Be it genetics, mental aptitude, natural talent, and/or the actual studying material/technique/approach. To improve, you really need to be locked in to what you are doing. Something that "I" don't have the energy or time for anymore and I know some popular artists (especially successful nsfw in discrete draw-fag Discord servers) who either have all the time in the world to improve or are in cheaper countries who can undercut comms and just live life up drawing what they want and improve there. But most draw-fags are usually lumped in the same category as myself I assume, normal job with an abnormal hobby that takes up quite a bit of time and studying, especially if they enjoy nsfw on the side, so you can't really share it with normies so it just becomes a headache at some point.

You can really tell which people in this thread tried to befriend an artist they had a parasocial fixation on and were assblasted when they didn't want to be friends with them.

>>149302069
This. Crazy how many problems in the world boil down to
>they just weren’t a good person worth giving money to

>>149302183
Why are you like this, who hurt you?

>>149302183
Going by that painfully specific scenario you decided to bring up, probably you

>>149297177 (OP)
Where the fuck are you seeing this? 90% of /co/ in my experience are rabidly anti-AI and use the exact same talking points as xitter, and I'm not even an AIjeet

>>149300695
Keep seething millenoid

>>149302353
It just seems like an extremely low-hanging fruit bait thread. "AI vs artists/art" Most people aka normies (and autismos too) would agree AI isn't the same, or holds the same value or weight as art created by an actual artist. AI's purpose seems far more for meme and coom shit and corporate bottom-line pinching. But 4chan is effectively dead.

>>149297177 (OP)
Every single AI person I have ever talk to is about the same conversation, they know nothing about how actually aI work, but because it can do something they think it's a thinking brain it's hilarious watching them freak out and not understand why they're app doesn't work or the code is extremely insecure and why they just lost all their money. If you know something and you use AI in conjunction with your knowledge you get something but if you know nothing and use AI you get something but you have no idea if it works or not or even how it works. These people have outsourced their thinking to a machine made by a bunch of tech billionaire scammers. I'm not anti AI I'm anti stupid people who think AI is magic

>>149302069
>>149302307
>Asmongold
>good person
I see we got fellow acolytes of Nurgle up in heres

>>149300949
kys birchy

>>149302036
Just move here where living costs are lower, but keep your clients paying in dollars (or other higher currency). But the true test is being consistent and professional about your commishes.

As for AI, I think it's been too overhyped. So many of those who embraced it did it either because they got no skill, being lazy, or invested too much into it despite AI being unsuited for the jobs it's shoved into.

>>149302036
People content with AI content will make it and be content, people who prefer art from real people will still commission it, and the artists themselves will find a way to keep working at it viable whether that means adopting a new model of how commissions work or finding new niches or what.

Every new tech development rocks the boat, but eventually, inevitably, society finds a new equilibrium. Just stay flexible until then.

>>149302929
I've contemplated moving to Indonesian, the Philippines or Japan (used to live in Japan for a short time) but the money is inconsistent for commishes and idk if I have the motivation to draw coom all day. Then, idk what I would do for money over there to support myself if comms dry up. I don't come from wealth. Maybe I could survive on my own works. But, my own personal projects have some slight coom-spicyness to it, and are usually goofy novella short stories or short comics that I doubt anyone would pay for. Maybe my novels, but idk if I can survive on short story writings. Most people are brainrotted that they don't wanna read at all. The people who I see survive decently are coom artists who have aligned their own personal coom interests with their art and just can pump it out at an autismo level till the day they die.
>>149302984
Thanks, also pretty much. I think AI is kinda gimmacky and I don't think it will outright replace artists. I think it's far more for niche stuff and might take away a "small" amount of the market, but not much. I think it'll impact the corporate world harder. But really all I've seen from AI is overly polished coom, meme and goofy stuff. I think there will still be a good non-mainstream art market online.

>>149301453
>ugh, not letting me waste my client's time is literal SLAVERY! stop calling out my shitty ungrateful behavior of disrespecting my customers!!
Just keep digging that hole buddy, it's not like your side is already on thin ice or anything

>>149303252
Sending a random request to someone and does not make you a client.

>>149297177 (OP)
/co/ hates artists.

>>149303252
>waste my client's time
You
Didn't
Pay
Them
You're not a client until you've spent money, are you a fucking Indian or something?
This ain't like your fucked up caste system where you expect everyone to be your slave and work for you in the *hopes* that you'll pay them, you pay first, then you're a client, then you can bitch about them wasting your time.
Unless you were sitting in your room staring at the wall for weeks doing nothing while waiting for this artist to take your commission, you didn't lose any of your time.

Positing like AI will replace artists is like saying drum machines and FL studio will replace bands

>>149303252
Are you 6 years old or something and not understand what money is?

>>149297177 (OP)
To Make them Happy, Ai can never Compare the Human Art simply because we have Heart and Soul.

>>149297177 (OP)
They want everyone to be a worthless as they are.

>>149303363
I don't have soul

>>149303160
The way I think I'd describe it is that AI right now is still in its "late 90s/early 00s Flash" era: People are still figuring out how the toolset works and the basics of what it can do and how to do it. I think in another year or two, maybe three, once we start seeing some more reliable and user-friendly LLMs and other ML tools, we'll finally transition into a more refined "mid 2000s Flash" era where people have a solid enough grasp on the basics that they can start using it in earnest; we'll start seeing this new tool's equivalents of Weebls, Swains, Egoraptors, Chulaids, etc. start putting out content that actually gets people excited about what you can do artistically with it.

>>149303491
Considering we're already getting close to model collapse zone for most available models, it's likely artists are the only ones going to seriously fuck around with this as more than a cost-cutting measure

>>149303383
Everyone have a Soul, you like it or not.

>>149303330
>implying they didn't