Now that the dust has settled, that in the absolute FUCK went wrong?

>>149320360 (OP)
Director was angry that his first film, about a mentally ill man who falls through the cracks of society was associated with mentally ill men who feel like they are also falling through the cracks of society. So he made a film to humiliate them and tell them how pathetic they are and how society doesn't care about them.

It got a sequel.

>>149320360 (OP)
TLJ effect where smug wanna be autor thinks subversion is the tearing down of things but failing to understand you're meant to make something new from the rubble.
Want to make a meta-movie about how some people misunderstood the first film and that Joker is utlimetly a patethic and dour figure nobody should ever want to be? Sure, go for it.

But why did you think getting this across by making 75% of this new film an exposition dump of the previous film with people giving commentary on the subtext anything anyone, even people who agree with you, want?

It's not like Watchmen or Specs OPS where it introduces new questions and ideas of what it tears down. It's this lame hypocrisy where the film mocks people for wanting more of the same- But then never actually gives anything new either. It's just more of the same but with the director wagging their finger.

>>149320360 (OP)
Todd Philips didn’t want to make a sequel and only did this for money and so he could have the Heath Ledger Joker kill Pheonix Joker (he always wanted to tie his movie to TDK. He even wanted Pheonix Joker to originally give himself the ledger scars in the first Joker movie).

Pheonix took over the production and was the one who wanted the movie to be a Musical.

>dude it's bad because...the low IQ impulsive retard acts like a low IQ impulsive retard and not a criminal comic book supervillain mastermind
It's a movie that drips with thematic intrigue and artistry but of course people wanted it to be wish-fulfillment capeshit.
Of course the movie would fail, because why try something different in the industry when you can just reuse the same three act structure just with different characters and people will lap it up

>>149320360 (OP)
Dude he gets raped. We all aren’t stupid here, the second the male fandom sees a character get raped and or legitimately cucked, they are going to harp on it whether jokingly or seriously till the end of time. And I’m not even saying that that’s all necessarily a bad thing it’s just anybody with a brain know ws this is what’s going to happen.

>>149320360 (OP)
*ahem*
THE JONKLER GOT PRISON JONKLED IN THE JONK DURING THE HOT SUMMER OF 2024!

>>149320360 (OP)
Phillips didn't want to make it, and Phoenix turned the entire thing into a self indulgent film whose main target audience would be him.
t. guy who actually liked it

>>149320360 (OP)

>>149321368
No no don’t forget, not only does he get raped but he is then stabbed to death
What did Joaquin do to have this happen to him?
Completely humiliating

>>149321289
Is contrarianism a hired job on this board? Why do you people try so hard?

>>149320564
This. Arthur getting raped by guards represented Phillips being strong armed into making a sequel to a movie with a succinct ending. Joker 2 was made under duress and it shows.

>>149320360 (OP)
The creators were mad about the reaction to the first film's Joker (sympathy, acceptance) and wanted to "own the incels" by making him the butt of the joke.
Yes, really. Look it up.

>>149320360 (OP)
well those prison guards raped him for one

lol the joker got raped.

>>149321384
is he stupid?

>>149321549
he made that movie about joaquing off to siri's voice in a hotel room

Was the first film not supposed to be about how the rich/society shits on the poor and mentally ill until it blows up in their faces?

>>149320360 (OP)
Las Gaga

>>149320393
this, he also didn't want to make a sequel, so just like the Matrix Troons, he "threw the game".

remember, the Elites do not want suffering proles to be sympathized or even feel like they have a community, they want you to suffering silence, and alone.

>>149321289
the director made it bad on purpose because he didn't want to do it.

just like Matrix 4 with the Wachoski troons.

>>149320360 (OP)

Marvel makes superhero films... y'know, with superheroes.

DC can't be fucking bothered to keep their shit straight so they make What If stories and alternate universe films.

>wrong people liked the movie
>wrong people also didn't do any shootings either
>the overlords weren't happy
>the overlords offered a fuckload of money to Todd, Phoenix and even brought in zombie Gaga for good measure and demanded a sequel made with the sole purpose of shitting on people who liked the previous film
>they did it
>the overlords were happy

That's the gist of it.

>>149322084
It was indeed about what it is to live in a society. But "the wrong people" liked it, and found it cathartic, so Joker 2 is the makers of the first movie flipping the bird to everyone who had Joker 1 mean something to them.

The people saying the director didn't want to make a sequel but they offered him too much money are also right, but the sequel ended up being one of the many examples of the entertainment industry burning money and turning down easy profit just to "own the chuds".

>>149322507
they really, really hate "the chuds" in all the media arts in the west.

you think you now how much they hate you, but you are wrong, its more, always more.

Joker 2 was actually a rare movie that manages to successfully condemn its immoral subject matter and get people turned off on it, like Requiem for a Dream

Most other media ends up valorizing its condemnable subject matter so you end up with shit like cyberpunk media that glorifies the dystopia and gets people pumped for it, Moore not realizing he made Rorschach a role model, people idolizing Scarface etc

The problem is that it was a shit movie

>>149320360 (OP)
First one already was crap and a The Joker film in name only

>>149321549
He wanted it that way, it was literally his idea

>>149320360 (OP)
It's the I Hate Fairyland sequel of comic book movies.

>>149322545
that's pretty based, honestly.

ruin the sequel for everyone but himself, I commend the fucking gall of it.

>>149322507
A society that frowns on people drinking ocean water

When does the Joker sing What a Catch Donnie?

>>149322545
based Joaquin has true artistic vision

I still dont get why the first one was so popular

>>149320393
>>149321766
>>149322507
This. Chudcels should just stay out of film discussion altogether.

>>149322736
it was the end of the pre covid trump era in 2019

>>149320393
No, he made a film about how the main character was an insane fucking drama queen with faggy fantasies about how everyone loves him when in reality he's just a standoffish prick with no personality

>>149322736
Was released during the peak of capeshit craze and dealt heavily on inequality, which has been one of the main societal issues at a global scale since the mid 2010's.
Also, Jonkler already is one of the big characters in the genre so it was inevitable going to get a lot of attention.

>>149322545
I was gonna say, whatever you want to say about the plot, Phoenix loves singing and dancing and got to do a singing and dancing movie with one of the biggest pop stars of the last 20 years

>In my ass?

https://youtu.be/Dvs6JDSBqoE?t=542

>>149320360 (OP)
The first film was just a ripoff of Taxi Driver and The King of Comedy, when he had to tell an original story it became immediately clear he was a charlatan and a hack.

Honestly, the first one was only as successful as it was because Zoomers haven't seen Scorsese films. After I told my fiance that and showed her TD and KoC she stopped liking Joker.

>>149320360 (OP)
He should've just done Cape Fear but made Harley the serial killer guy.

Also, what a shit nothing character she was in this film

>>149322950
Appropriate that you post the Joker who got ultra quad giga nigga AIDS for your rape joke.

>>149320937
O goes before the E dogg, I get it wrong sometimes too. Odd word.

It made Gordon right

>>149320360 (OP)
>went wrong
Nothing at all.

Todd Phillips didn't want to do a sequel.

Neither did JP.

Warner Brothers backed up trucks full of cash to both their houses and they would be stupid not to take it.

It was obvious that Phillips was just waiting for WB to say, 'now wait a gosh darn minute, you're not seriously going to make a MUSICAL?'

But WB suits just let all this shit happen.

>>149320360 (OP)
I don't know.
I didn't watch it. I don't want to watch it. I watched the first, liked it and I didn't see a need for the sequel, so I wasn't interested.
I still don't have any desire to see it.

>>149323942
It's not really worth it. I watched it on some turkish streaming site just to see if it was as bad as /co/ said. Just a dull exercise in misery

>>149323520
You didn’t know those movies existed before Joker came out and your fiance is fucking niggers behind your back.

>>149323965
As I have heard.
I will continue to not watch this. Thanks.

>>149322859
How was he a prick?
Standoffish, sure. No personality, debatable. But he didn't have any qualities of being a prick, at least until shit went sideways.

>>149323695
>JP

whatre you the coke guy in his entourage? fuck off

Atleast we finally got an answer to what would happen if they just raped the Joker. Gordon was right all along

>>149322419
>>149322438
Qrd on the Matrix 4 thing? Please

>>149324507
>Oh my god, I was right
>Now they've packed his butt tight
>We have finally stopped the Joker
>Yes we've finally stopped the Joker
>Yes we've finally stopped the Joker through raping

>>149325276

WB have been asking Wachowski sissies to do another Matrix flick every year for the past 20 years. They always said no, until WB told them they'd do it with or without them. So formerly Larry made a shitpost/fanfic to kill the IP for good.
>1st half is shitting on the very idea of another Matrix sequel
>2nd half is formerly Larry using Neo and Trinity as comfort characters to cope over his parent's death
It's still a shit film but at least the suits won't be raping this franchise... for at least a couple of years.

I don't think the director was trying to "own the incels". This feels like a on purpose bad movie to spite Hollywood execs like Freddy Got Fingered. My take is
>first movie had no budget and studio had no faith in it
>became a massive hit
>suddenly studios are sucking directors cock
>mainstream media tries to politicize the film
>leftist claiming its a chud right wing movie, right wingers projecting onto it
>director did not want to make a sequel but studios insisted, throwing massive amounts of money at it
>dude goes all out with draining the budget, bigger sets, musical numbers, lady gaga
>movie itself is a commentary on how the character of the joker is romanticized when in reality he;s just a mentally ill man that receives no help
>every interaction between Harley and Joker is a musical, showing how she's romanticized their relationship
>part of the movie where Arthur breaks down with "Stop singing. Just talk to me"
Granted I don't think the movie is good but I don't think it was meant to be. I think this was just an attempt to fuck over the studio and drain their pockets.

Also all the people who actually wanted a sequel to the first movie and have it spin into some kind of origin story for a joker cinematic universe are retards. The fact you had people expecting this version of the joker to beocme some kind of crime boss and fight a guy in a bat suit is insane

>>149323520
You do know to fully get the movie, you have to watch every Scorsese movie, every Todd Phillips movie, and have a working knowledge of Joker lore. The beginning of the movie references both Scorsese's first movie (Mean Streets) and Phillips's first movie (Hated: The GG Allin Story.) It is a brilliant film, it is Todd's Paul's Boutique.

>>149320360 (OP)
nothing. i hate musicals but that movie was actually good

the joke is that in addition to virtue signallers hating it because the first movie was actually about class consciousness, libs still hate the 2nd movie too because they would never accept male rape (committed by cops) victim as a reason to raise awareness of men's issues

>>149325390
>leftists claiming it was right wing
no, it was definitely virtue signalling liberals, not leftists.

>>149320360 (OP)
Joker's anus didn't get fucked enough. Need everyone in Arkham to run a train through Joker.

>>149320360 (OP)
https://youtu.be/NZeW_4b0YQg?si=zSI5vSIR0yvUu093

>>149320360 (OP)
EVERYTHING