Thread 149331029

Age Of Revelation renames titles to Amazing, Unbreakable & Expatriate X-Men, and more, and it is launching a surprise zero issue next week.

Marvel launches Age Of Revelation event, renaming major X-Men titles like Amazing, Unbreakable, and Expatriate X-Men
Surprise Shadow Drop variant of Age Of Revelation #0 by Jed MacKay and Humberto Ramos hits comic shops next week
The story jumps 10 years into a mutant-ruled future shaped by Doug Ramsey, now called Revelation, heir to Apocalypse
New series like X-Vengers, Iron and Frost, and Omega Reds debut, shaking up the Marvel Universe for the Age Of Revelation

Surprise! Next week, comic book retailers will be receiving a "Shadow Drop" variant of Age Of Revelation #0, a prelude one-shot by Jed MacKay and Humberto Ramos that reveals how this new status quo came to be, and is available in stores next week. While additional copies of this surprise issue with a wraparound cover by Ryan Stegman are now available to order and will arrive shortly afterwards.

And we have details of the first proper issue out in October. The Marvel Universe enters the 'Age of Revelation,' a new status quo taking place 10 years into the future and arising out of current developments in the X-Men titles, and 30 years after the original Age of Apocalypse, that sees the world reborn in the image of the heir to Apocalypse: Doug Ramsey, also more recently known as Revelation, with new telepathic powers and all buffed up.. Just like Age Of Apocalypse, all the regular X-Men titles will be suspended, renamed and renumbered, and some other Marvel titles as well, giving us;


Amazing X-Men
Unbreakable X-Men
Expatriate X-Men
Radioactive Spider-man
X-Vengers
Iron and Frost
Binary
Longshots,
Sinister's Six
Cloak And Dagger
Omega Reds
Undead-Pool
The Lost Wolverine
Laura Kinney: Sabretooth
Rogue Storm
X-Men: Book Of Revelation

Ooh, are they putting Emma Frost and Tony Stark back together again?

X-MEN: AGE OF REVELATION #0
Written by JED MACKAY
Art by HUMBERTO RAMOS
Shadow Drop Variant Cover by HUMBERTO RAMOS
Cover by RYAN STEGMAN
Available at Retailers Starting Next Week
X YEARS FROM TODAY the Revelation Territories stretch from the Atlantic to the Mississippi – a mutant utopia ruled by the heir of Apocalypse. But beneath the surface, rebellion brews. As a ragtag X-Men team strikes from the shadows, Revelation faces threats from within. It all begins here – the dawn of the AGE OF REVELATION!

X-MEN: AGE OF REVELATION OVERTURE #1
Written by JED MACKAY
Art and Cover by RYAN STEGMAN
On Sale 10/1
After being welcomed onto Cyclops' X-Men with open arms, Revelation set out on the impossible task that Apocalypse entrusted him with: creating a world where only the fittest survived. With his linguistic mutant power amplified to an astonishing new level, Doug commands Earth itself with his voice, reshaping it as a utopian haven for mutantkind. It's a mutant homeland built on an insidious lie, spreading across the planet and wiping out humanity until it becomes a mutant homeworld!

Jed MacKay says "Enter… the Age of Revelation! I'm extremely excited to be at the center of this event — we're traveling to the alien future of the Age of Revelation, where the stories unfolding in the Revelation Territories and beyond will decide whether this is the dawn of a new world, or the end of one. We've been exploring a whole world, and it's been really exciting to see other creators make corners of it their own!"

https://bleedingcool.com/comics/marvel-comics-titles-to-be-renamed-for-x-men-age-of-revelation/

>>149331029 (OP)
Fuck yeah Carol!

HOW ORIGINAL
HOW UNIQUE
WHO HOAH
YOU GO BREVOOOOOORT

Isn’t this just age of apocalypse with a different skin? Have they just completely ran out of ideas?

Unbearable X-Men.

>>149331434
Yes, yes and again, YES

>>149331076
>we had age of apocalypse from 1994-1995 at home!

Let's get real: bring back: brian wood, marjorie liu, rick remender, kieron gillen, matt fraction and si spurrier.

Magikbros...

>>149331499
Insufferable X-Force

Remember when x-news sparked 100+ posts almost instantly?
Yeah

>>149331029 (OP)
Spider-Man and the Avengers needs a palette cleanser. A 4 month break will do those books wonders.
Cloak and Dagger fuck yeah.
I'm kinda shocked that the Doug Apocalypse crossover is happening so soon.

>>149331076
Fuck yeah Glob Herman Doom Guy
Not-Hank is devolving?

we already know Rich, stop posting your articles here >>149328571

>>149331029 (OP)
You can say what you want about Krakoa. But this is the full blown flop era. Nobody gives a shit anymore and the storytimes are dead.

>>149332063
thanks brevoort - his idea for books are just rehashing everything over and over again. krakoa felt fresh. apparently, some vocal "fans" wanted the return of the 90s status quo, so here you have it

>>149332056
That is a storytime time dumbass.

>>149332090
>That is a thread where they are discussing the comics and upcoming stuff
Ok retard

>>149331029 (OP)

this all sounds boring and uninteresting or retreads of shit theyve done before. im honestly at the point where the x house and the spider house are fighting to see who could literally do more terrible shit. as much as i hated the arc, id rather have the 05 back. based on the title, the only one that has my interest is sinisters six, and because it makes me think it could be marauders 2.0 fuckery

>>149332126
>X-Men: From The Ashes Storytime Thread
>I can't read

>>149332139
This does not disprove what I said at all

>>149332171
It disproves everything and makes you illiterate and obtuse. If I was you, I would just close this thread and pretend this fuck up on your part never happened

>>149332171
In a a certain way it does most people on those threads are their for the storytime itself and not for discussion. Their is a reason they are called Storytimes you know.

Here's a thought, try making good comics next time

>>149331029 (OP)
>Radioactive Spider-man
Have they really never use that before

>>149331029 (OP)
Reminder that the original Age of Apocalypse ran through 8 ongoing monthly books, plus 2 issues of a quarterly title, one 2-issue mini and 3 one-shots, including the bookending Alpha and Omega. This is SIXTEEN titles. How do Marvel serious thing there's a bigger audience for X-Men comics in 2025 than there was in 1995?

>>149331434
They just periodically do new 'Age of...' events in addition to callbacks to the original AoA. We had Age of X in the late 2000s, and Age of X-Man in 2019, where an 'Age of...' X-Men event bombing as bad as that did would once have seemed unthinkable.

>>149331563
>Let's get real: bring back: brian wood, marjorie liu, rick remender, kieron gillen, matt fraction and si spurrier.
>because there are still some characters those writers haven't turned gay yet
Really, anon?

>>149331029 (OP)
>>149331076
>Ooh, are they putting Emma Frost and Tony Stark back together again?

What the fuck happened to Pepper Potts? Why are they still forcing this pairing?!

>>149332085
>krakoa felt fresh
Ha ha no. It was just yet another attempt by the X-books at doing "mutant ethnostate" but this time with pitfights and orgies and ALL THE VILLAINS. It was just doubling down on a direction they'd kept trying since Utopia in 2009, and before that with Genosha and Asteroid M, as a Magneto idea the X-Men used to be opposed to.

>apparently, some vocal "fans" wanted the return of the 90s status quo, so here you have it
Despite this Age of Apocalypse-inspired event, the books have generally returned to the tone, style and themes of the 2010s Bendis run, not the 90s.

>>149331029 (OP)
>Doug Ramsey, the heir to Apocalypse
Da fuck?

>>149331029 (OP)
>Ewing having enough clout for the Mortal Thor to avoid this dogshit

Nice

>>149332664
Bendis. One of his last acts of petty bullshit was establishing that Tony and Emma marry sometime in the future. And editors go along with it because it gets Emma out of their hair so they can bury Scott/Emma

>>149332736
Doug went evil during Krakoa, being part of X-Men Green and being a huge supporter of Nazi Sex Cult Island.

After Krakoa, Apocalypse realized he had mellowed out too much and decided to appoint a replacement. Doug got the job purely off the fact that everyone else was willing to move on from Krakoa but Doug

Picked up Hellfire Vigil and have to ask, why was dazzler arrested again?

>>149333248
Well if orders are as low as rumored then that explains the obvious shill accounts running around trying to attack people complaining about whatever dumb thing Marvel's been doing lately

>>149332085
>apparently, some vocal "fans" wanted the return of the 90s status quo, so here you have it

This isn't even the 90s status quo. Nobody is happy with the From the Ashes era.

>>149332683
>Despite this Age of Apocalypse-inspired event, the books have generally returned to the tone, style and themes of the 2010s Bendis run, not the 90s.


This is the part that makes me wonder how much of the decisions for that are coming from editorial still there since the 00s

>>149332664
>Pepper Potts
>Iron Man love interest
Choose one and only one

>>149332601
>ESL
tragic, all your points are now moot

>>149331029 (OP)
I'm interested in Longshot getting attention again, but I'm sure it'll be shit like the Dazzler mini was. It's a shame because I don't hate this idea overall. It's just that modern comics are so fucking shit that none of them will be any good.

>>149333526
I appreciate characters not being tied down to one character romantically but i doubt there are diehard IronFrost fans out there

>>149334053
Yeah, it felt artificially forced.

>>149332171
you're talking with gwenschizo, somehow I feel better knowing that he's targeting you guys too

>>149334215
He really is some Marvel employee, isn't he

I want mutants to be genocided again.

>>149334215
you're retarded. I guess that makes me a schizo too

>>149331279
Its Phoenix/Jean Grey

>>149331952
>Cloak and Dagger fuck yeah.
Its the "Psylocke" book - Betsy Braddock is "cloak" and Kwannon is "dagger"

>Amzing
is Adjectiveless
>Unbreakable
is Uncanny
>Expatriate
is Exceptional
>Last Wolverine
duh

>Binary
Phoenix/Jean Grey by stephanie pillips
>cloak or dagger
Psylocke
>Iron and Frost
continuation of Emma Frost from her recent mini writer Amy Chu
>Sabretooth
Laura Kinney by schultz

>Longshots
continuation of Dazzler by Jason Loo
>Omega Kids
NYX continuation by Kelly and Lanzig
>Radioactive Spider-Man
just a tie-in . doesn't affect ASM
>Rogue Storm
Storm by Ayodele

>Sinister's Six
Magik
>UnDeadpool
continuation from Ziglar
>X-Vengers
McKay's Avengers

>>149331029 (OP)
>Radioactive Spider-man
What are they going to do Pete?
>Sinister's Six
No seriously, don't.

Amazing x-men related to spider-man too?

>>149331434
Yes

>>149332085
You can say Beau DeMayo, anon

>>149334671
Nah Binary is one of Carol's old names

>>149331076
I'm betting now that this Magneto is the gay asian guy.

Surprised there's no Fantastic Four book for this with a dumb name like FXTURE Foundation.

>>149331393
Still better than Cuckoa, tranny.

How powerful is poc Doug?
he don't seem like a threat at all....

>>149334839
Yes, and its being used for Phoenix

>>149334746
no, this will not involve the Spider-Man office.

>>149335464
Seems like whatever Celestial bullshit Paco used to upgrade his powers made him go from understanding to speaking the language of the world which throws him into the reality alter bucket with guys like Legion and X-Man

>>149334986
Keep telling yourself that, Brevoort. I'm sure the abysmal sales are just a blip.

>>149331029 (OP)
We just had an AoA rehash with Sins of Sinister, why are we getting another one so soon?

>>149334685
I'm a fan of interracial romance wherever it blooms

>>149331029 (OP)
At what point does the company accept that people like Brevoort (and Lowe) need to be fired? Not even reactionarily but just completely with-cause and justified by the fact that they have talked sales and their only idea is “relaunch/renumber/rename”. It’s time for them to be replaced.

>>149336360
I think they're nearing that point

Might give this a shot just for my boy Glob.

>>149332555
How often does Spider-Man get drafted to protect China?

>>149336360
*tanked sales

>>149336378
But it’s just genuinely mind-boggling how stubborn they’re being about the whole thing. The two of them are poisonous. The first comics released from any line following their dismissal will sell better than any relaunch with their names on it. By leaps and bounds. I don’t know what is to be gained by not parting ways with both of them.

>>149332664
Absolutely no Pepper.

Man I love two of the xbooks now(McKay and Eve Ewings) but this just really depresses me. Don’t trust the creative teams Brevoort will pull, don’t like the idea of the event, I dunno man.

So fucking mad they’re still trying to make Emma and Iron Man a couple

I loved Sins of Sinister because it was a smaller contained mini-event with three writers on the same page, all killer, no filler. Doing another bloated mega-event is just sad. Getting real sick of Brevoort's bullshit.

>>149337035
Enjoy your Sabertooth clone dressed as Kraven.

Post Avengers that would make better love interests for Emma than Tony
Hard mode: not Steve

>>149337117
Sandman

>>149333248

Pretty sure the origin is a throwaway line Waid put in his History of the Marvel Universe teasing stuff yet to happen

>>149332664
With Jean back, they need to steer Emma away from Scott, i'm pretty sure Tony and Emma are endgame now

>>149331029 (OP)
Insane.

>>149331029 (OP)
>binary
lol lmao even

>>149336580
A.I. will do away with their jobs soon enough. The days of fat comic book editors sitting on their ass all day smoking weed are coming to an end.

>>149334746
Its probably gonna be Nightcrawler again larping as a Spider-man.

ugh fuck marvel

>>149337117
His membership status may be in limbo, but it could still work.

>>149341114
Emma don't like submissive men, Banner is a pussy

>>149334733
>What are they going to do Pete?
My guess was Spider-Hulk

>>149337146
>Wasp making all of Emma's new clothes

This looks like that same universe where cyclops was fucking frenzy

>>149337117
And that's why its funny
Both are just cunts
Would make fun dynamic under someone good

>>149331563
More like Claremont, Morrison and at this point even Lobdell

>>149337230
Well then they should have steered her back to Manor who she actually had chemistry with. Or pair her up with Banshee who she should have been paired with instead of Scott...

>>149334731
>Iron and Frost
>continuation of Emma Frost from her recent mini writer Amy Chu
Wouldn't having it be the Iron Man writer Ackerman, make more sense?
Chu is just doing a nostalgia mini for the charecter I'm not even sure that mini will be finish by the time this event starts

>>149341604
Sure whatever. There are people in this thread who are already being way too optimistic about this.

There are no new ideas coming from this. This is the current From the Ashes lineup - in terms of characters, books, and creators - slapped with an "Age of Apocalypse" coat of paint.

You're not getting Carol Danvers. You're not getting classic Cloak and Dagger. You're getting those names slapped on existing FtA books.

>>149335464
Basically Purple Man with Google Translate running in the background

>>149336727
>So fucking mad they’re still trying to make Emma and Iron Man a couple
Same, mostly because I loathe Tony Stark.

>>149336416
He's gonna make it.

>>149331029 (OP)
Im guessing this event is also for them to test run for potential hits to actually make them an ongoing, as there's just too much new stuff they releasing, do they really think there'll be people who'll pick up all them for the event? Actually is this the most books/issues for a comic event?

>>149342704
I think it's more titles than One World Under Doom

But we don't know how long Age of Revelation will last

>>149342723
The Doom one wasn't gonna cause that much change and ripple effects, its also happening in "real time" relative to comics. The fact that this already mentioned to be a timeskip, its not gonna be that long, probably be like Sins of Sinister, and most of events will be undone through time travel with someone going back to stop Doug or himself realizing its a bad idea. Speaking of Sins of Sinister, did Rasputin get killed off at some point after the end of Krakoa or have no one just bothered using her again?

>so much reference to spider-man
I can feel it in my bones Brevoort still wants to control him

>>149342765
She just disappeared. Too OP to remain around, Gillen didn't want to do a heroic sacrifice, and Killing Women is wrong. Maybe she's out there chasing Orbis Stellaris, another fellow who will probably never show up again unless it's to get unceremoniously killed.

bump

>>149343418
?

>>149343460
not him but comic threads deserve to get bumped. Anything to fight off the cartoon coomers

>>149331029 (OP)
Get cucked Scott

>>149341545
That was the last alt universe I liked. They bombed tf out of Jean grey in the universe when her powers manifested

Who tf is even left reading X-men? The mentally challenged? Once they brought Jean grey back from the dead I don’t see how you guys are willing to read that shit. I tapped out the second she came back in the bendis run and never looked back.

>>149341795
>There are people in this thread who are already being way too optimistic about this.

I think it's shills trying to hype the project up.

>>149344265
>Once they brought Jean grey back from the dead I don’t see how you guys are willing to read that shit.
Yeah, but the first time.

>>149344369
should've listened to shooter and saved us the trouble

>>149331434
Ran out? They ever had ideas?

>>149332601
>How do Marvel serious thing there's a bigger audience for X-Men comics in 2025 than there was in 1995?
It's extremely likely it'll be much shorter in time lenght, even if it's more titles. It'll be just a couple months .Also, it's not just X-titles this time, it includes Iron Man, Spider-Man and Avengers

>>149332601
>How do Marvel serious thing there's a bigger audience for X-Men comics in 2025 than there was in 1995?
They don't. Brevoort has been pretty open about the fact that his strategy after taking over is to flood the market with X-books in the hope that a few will catch on, while the rest will only last for 5-10 issues. This is just an outgrowth of that.

What I think is telling is that not only are all the X-books selling like shit (except Magik, thanks to the gooners) but the strategy of selling a ton of Wolverine books has also failed. The Wolverine spin-offs AND the main Wolverine solo are all doing varying levels of bad. That's new. Usually his solo is one of the best selling X-books. The only one that is selling well is Ultimate Wolverine.

>>149344265
Yea that’s when I knew X-men fans will take any slop you throw at them. A sad pathetic lot fanbase, I guess it’s love deep down tho. But you niggas will lay it like a bitch and just take it

>>149344789
People insist this, but I was hearing this claim back in the 90s and then the 00s... as orders on X-Men kept going down.

For reference the orders on the two main X-Men books were around 100,000+ at the end of the 90s. By the end of the 00s they were lower than 80,000. A few times during the 2010s after Bendis but before Hickman they were around 30,000-40,000.

If sales on the X-books have been as bad as I'm hearing from different sources then there's really not many X-Men fans buying it.

Mutants are the worst

Should they even be doing an event now? There's no real hype. I know they want to generate some buzz but this kind of stuff really only generates that in the short term.

>>149334986
Based.

lmao
sexo bei thouhg

>>149344213
It's weird how no-one talks about Carey when he really revitalized the line for a bit and was probably the last really good X writer

>>149331029 (OP)
>The story jumps 10 years into a mutant-ruled future shaped by Doug Ramsey
I can't believe Cypher conquered humanity

>>149331563
Get some taste man

>>149334770
Fuck that faggot

>>149346014
I liked Carey but Gillen came after him, twice even.

>>149346014
Isn't Carey basically banned from the industry?

All I remember about Carey was it basically being pure Rogue wank

>>149331029 (OP)
Well I know one things for sure, /co/ will be present here for it all. During the schism storytimes you all said you were done reading and weren’t going forward and that lasted for 2 months. AvX comes along and you all said the same thing, Bendis was announced for the books and again you told me you were done reading and yet all of you are still here.

At this point I truly believe there could be pages of poop fighting poop and as long as a sentinel is in the back and the X-men logo is somewhere you all are going to consume it.

>>149331029 (OP)
>Rogue and Storm getting a book
>Gambit isn't
What the fuck is this shit?

>>149346839
Every other book was Cyclops or Wolverine wank

>>149331029 (OP)
So basically the X-men's very own DC 5G event.

>>149342943
>Orbis Stellaris
Actually he popped up on the Imperial event book that Hickman's writing, looks like he might get used even if its to properly get killed during the event.

>>149346839
It started out as an Xavier redemption story, then pivoted to Rogue wank.

>>149348336
Why are they doing so much Rogue wank lately anyway? I like her and appreciate her being more of the "idealist" when it comes to the leaders of the respective X-Men teams, but it feels out of nowhere in a way

>>149349096
This was over 15 years ago and she was always a popular character.

Why is rogue in a leadership position? You know what nvm because I’m probably about to get x fagged to death about how she’s very popular and always was a leader or some shit.


I hope the franchise completely falls off. I wanna come back at some point but the books have reached the fandom in levels of autism.

>>149349317
She's been a team leader since 2000 when Claremont came back to the books, he's the one who made that happen.

>>149349317
Haven't Cap America gave a speech on how good of a leader she is

>>149337117
>>149341114
Marvel Rivals has resulted in some wild ass ships and one of them was EmmaxBruce which had some surprisingly good art associated with it.

>>149349546
Cap gave a speech on how Kamala is a hero.

>>149342943
I don't see how OP she was, and even then there's a bunch of omega mutants still running around. Rasputin had potential but got ruined when they just made her basically a Kamala shill after she got brought into present day.

>>149349546
What has she done to be a good leader? She was in charge once and abandoned gambit to die and fucked off with magnetos gay looking clone. Remy literally almost died and no one gave a fuck

>>149336727
>So fucking mad they’re still trying to make Emma and Iron Man a couple
Anything that can detract soap opera shit away from comics is based.

>>149350891
So replace with more soap opera shit? I’m not understanding

>>149346839
He brought in Lady Mastermind and good stories after the disaster that was blood of Apocalypse. Age of X was good, and he was the first to attempt to get Rogue out of the endless "much touch" storyline. He also managed to make Frenzy likeable
>>149346756
Possibly, never head anything about it though?
>>149350761
I don't see it for her as a leader personally, but to be fair in that story Gambit was revealed to have caused the morlock massacre, hid it from everyone, and Rogue had absorbed his self loathing which was clearly influencing her behaviour and had been driving her crazy ever since the end of AOA

>>149331029 (OP)
>>149331434
Can't they at least steal ideas from anime?

>>149352235
Anime is gay, go have sex with men

>>149352280
What, you want for them to just keep rehashing and rehashing forever?

>>149346896
If you really think that, why have X-sales fallen so drastically in the decades?

Why have retailers since at least last year been getting concerned about Marvel mainline sales, some of whom even cite sales from the Ashes as falling off a cliff?

>>149349317
I don't understand why some people are so fucking assmad over the X-Men. It happened throughout Krakoa, and I figured after Krakoa ended it would calm down, at least on /co/ since the main complaint in X-threads here was that those posters hated Krakoa. But it's still happening. People here are STILL bitching about Krakoa even though it's been gone for over a year, AND people are bitching about how much the hate the X-Men in general. If that's the case, that you just hate this franchise no matter what, why even come into X-Men threads?

>>149331076
But we just had a mutant utopia story arch

>>149331076
>It's a Tony & Whitney Frost book

>>149331076
>yet another flash forward timeline without Ruby Summers
It's not fair.

>>149333248
>Bendis. One of his last acts of petty bullshit was establishing that Tony and Emma marry sometime in the future.
No, it was Waid's History of the Marvel Universe mini. He had a list of genuine upcoming storylines to drop references to, and threw a Tony/Emma wedding in as well, just to see if anyone actually picked the idea up and did anything with it. Eventually, Duggan went for it.

>so they can bury Scott/Emma
They haven't been a couple since 2012, and they've both moved on to other people. There's no need to "bury" anything except in the minds of shippers who can't let it go. They've been apart far longer than they were together, and by their own choice.

>>149333465
I think there's a general Marvel editorial aversion to anything from before Quesada was EIC, but Bendis' X-Men somehow having a lot of vocal fans online is probably a big factor too.

>>149334053
>>149334154
/co/ had a weird journey on Tony/Emma, starting out with diehard Scott/Emma shippers seething about it, and ending with a lot anons complaining about Marvel editorial forcing an end to the marriage so they could go back to their separate corners of Marvel.

It's possible we had paid shills here supporting it, but paid shills would've switched to supporting Marvel ending it too, so there must be some genuine fans.

>>149334839
So Carol is non-Binary now?

>>149337117
Namor or Wonderman, just because either pairing is blocking two stupid love triangles at the same time.

>>149344525
Anon, the original Age of Apocalypse was only 4 months.

>>149344764
I think after decades, readers finally reached Wolverine Fatigue in the 2010s. Nobody really cared about the Death of Wolverine event, Marvel were so scared the absence of Wolverine would hurt sales, so Old Man Logan was around in the present day for the whole time, which in turn meant nobody really missed Wolverine being around, and the Return of Wolverine event flopped, and the Lives & Deaths of Wolverine event during Krakoa underperformed too.

Marvel can still get one (1) Wolverine solo book to perform reasonably well, but it's not usually going to be one of their top three sellers each month anymore, and the days of being able to spam a gorillion Logan minis by Literally Who? and make them sell just because it's Wolverine are long over.

>>149352474
to show how much they hate it, are you new to 4chan?

>>149349703
>someone unironically considers this good art

>>149352988
don't mistake a loud minority to be representative of /co/, I hate Tony/Emma and consider any faggot who supports it to be a waste of sperm

>>149349096
Rogue was exiled out of the Main X-Men roster to appease Claremont, who was pissed the fuck off that Morrison wanted to murder her off in anticlimactic fashion to give her codename to a loli goth character who's visual look ultimately was used for Negasonic Teenage Warhead. She was stuck in Xtreme X-Men, Austen then Milligan's X books, and general barred from the main X books due to editorial believing that only the Morrison roster mattered/deserved to be spotlighted.

Things got worse as Marvel movie mania happened and Claremont got an audience with Disney top brass and told them that they might be able to fuck over Fox and use Rogue, Mystique, and Sabertooth since they technically they started out as non X-Men villains, with Rogue debuting as an avengers villain. So Rogue got handed over to Avengers editorial and didn't get returned to the Zbooks until after Secret Empire

>>149349317
Scott became a Nazi and no one had the balls to tell him to fuck off, especially after Scott nearly got all the mutants killed during Second Coming and then kicked Rogue off the team after she went behind his back to save the day

>>149353051
The opposite. I think I might've finally outgrown this place, considering the constant bitching just annoys me now.

>>149353100
in that case, run. RUN, and don't look behind you, there might be still hope for you

>>149344926
The X-Men audience was so big for so long that it took years and years of decline to get to this point, but for more than ten years now it's been mostly around 30-40K people left, with a surprising number of them being oldfags who've been reading since Claremont's original run, and just can't or won't quit, even though they've vocally hated everything since 1985. A lot of them tend to be in denial about just how bad things have got in terms of sales and popularity (or if they accept it's happened, blame it all on stuff about movie rights, and pretend the books themselves are still great), and in terms of how X-Men isn't the "cool and badass" thing it was when they were kids anymore, they're in denial about how gay things really are.

>>149352988
Tony sucks with Emma because Tony sucks and I don't want him involved in X-comics. Their gay drama is enough on its own without his bullshit added on top.

>>149352474
The people who hated Krakoa were normalfags gaslit by the outrage youtubers/new articles about how the X-men have truly become enemies with humanity and that everyone was part of the orgies so Scott and Logan were buttfucking each other apparently. Its telling how those parts they hated about Krakoa are now gone and things are back to "classic" X-men style yet they've not shown up to buy the books.

>>149354194
who are those youtubers i wonder? The only one i know that was talking about krakoa shilled it - The Cosmonaut Variety Hour

>>149354194
>things are back to "classic" X-men style
No they aren't. Why would you tell such an obvious lie?

>>149354251
I can't remember the channel name but there was a black guy who talks about random comic book stuff and then decided to add his own two cents about how Xavier was controlling every mutant and planning to attack humans when the time was right in the comics, with his basis just from some marvel mobile game which had Xavier saying cryptic shit.

>>149354268
Well that's why I used "quotations". I mean on paper they did give the people complaining what they want, you've got the X-men being heroes to humans who still hate and would backstab them with the main X-men book, the "uncanny" book for random X-men stuff and then the one focused on training new X-men with the Exceptional one. No more of that "gay Krakoa" shit that people complained.

If you read one X-men story you read them all, they just keep regurgitating. I tapped out deadly genesis era, idk if Jean grey puts a spell on some people when they open a book but every X-men discussion just leads to niggas irrationally hating cyclops and it gets boring after awhile.

Not only do the writers just keep giving you the same shit over and over then the fandom just has the same tired arguments over and over. Everything about the franchise is just retarded.

>>149351073
The self loathing retcon was honestly the only way that shit was understandable. I give props to the writer for figuring a way out of that mess

>>149352474
Krakoa never ended.

>>149354194
>so Scott and Logan were buttfucking each other apparently.
Don't pretend that Hickman and some of the other writers weren't implying that.

>Its telling how those parts they hated about Krakoa are now gone and things are back to "classic" X-men style yet they've not shown up to buy the books.
The X-Men can't come back from Krakoa and the preceding several attempts at mutant ethnostates, and the years of militance and hostility and just go back to normal like nothing happened, and people aren't wrong to just refuse to come back after the smallest token efforts to fix some of the problems and to not make the whole line of books quite so overtly gay.

>>149355246
whatever, eat shit faggot

>>149355308
That comeback was worse than the X-Men's comeback.

>>149349834
She was deliberately designed both out-of-story and in-story as the ultimate tank Mary Sue. Multiple layers of defense (force field, steel skin, intangibility, healing factor) and offense (superstrength, soulsword, telepathy).

>>149354449
This whole post is why I never pursued further interest in X-men. Some of the worst people in the world is the core of fanbase.

The only fandom that comes close to their toxicity is nba basketball fans

>>149344764
If this is true, the real question is why does Marvel still give the X-Men office the budget for that many titles when so many of them just bomb right out of the gate?

This shouldn't be like an office manager having to use up all his budget by the end of the financial year or he'll get less money next year, this is creative talent Marvel are wasting on a MOAR X-BOOKS strategy that could be better used on something else that might sell better. They'd literally be better off launching a bunch of random other titles, throwing ideas at the wall and seeing if something sticks, than constantly launching more spinoff titles for a franchise that's obviously in terminal decline.

The one thing that's gained any traction at all is waifu books with sexy covers, and they're scared of the backlash if they lean into that any harder than just the covers being sexy, they wouldn't dare have interior art to match, or make Magik's book or the Rogue mini a "what plot?" fanservice book.

>>149355463
>not reading a book because of its fans
ngmi

>>149355544
That’s a testament to how awful it gets, that the fanbase will run you off and he’s not wrong.

>>149355544
What better indicative of something being shit there is than its audience?

Bump.

>>149347336
>DC 5G event
What was that in the end?

>>149331029 (OP)
X-men ended that issue where cyclops and madelyne showed up with his son. He retires rides off into the sunset, Wolverine and Storm takeover as co leaders until they retire and cannonball eventually grows up and runs the school after.

That’s my headcanon and everything after is just fan fictions that kitty pryde has been writing as she became a famous writer and sold X-men books

>>149356894
Nothing, it died with Didio. Some of the proposed legacies made it into the books to the disinterest of many.

>>149355463
Gimme Jordan and lebron bickering over xfags. If you don’t suck wolverines dick, Jack off to everyone’s specific favorite obscure waifu and throw random insults at cyclops you are in for a terrible ride. Its like a damn sickness.

>>149331029 (OP)
I ask, how and why are you people still reading this? What are you getting out of it? I can see if the art was worth it but it’s not, I see if the story was decent at least but it’s dogshit.

>>149357762
I like MacKay-Men when Brevoort isn't fucking with it.

>>149344764
It's baffling how much of a fucking moron Brevoot is.

>>149355506
>the real question is why does Marvel still give the X-Men office the budget for that many titles when so many of them just bomb right out of the gate?
Probably because they have Disney backing them, and is using their credit card like a spoiled rich girl with zero self control. Marvel almost certainly would've gone under multiple times over otherwise.

>>149355506
>>149358656
If things going by different people are any indication, it sounds like Marvel can't pay for better talent unless they're doing a relaunch/shitloads of variants. Problem is that this tactic of theirs is also pushing away readers

X-men fandom isn’t all bad and the books aren’t all always bad there usually is one good at least, like cable love and chrome but I think it’s cancelled?

The only problem with the fanbase is there is a like a mass group of them who have this hateboner for cyclops (don’t know if it’s sexual tension or what) that just makes you not want to conversate with any of them. For the most part the REAL Wolverine fans are pretty chill they just get a bad rep because honestly most of them are faggots

>>149359365
>there is a like a mass group of them who have this hateboner for cyclops
Is it just this one anon who keeps complaining about people hating Cyclops, like how dare they? Cyclops hasn't been the innocuous boyscout character he used to be for about 25 years now, and he's basically the poster boy for what X-Men became in this century. It's pretty understandable that people who hate modern X-Men would also hate modern Cyclops, and the fact that this guy of all people is second only to Spider-Man for having insane self-inserters that are the face of his fandom just makes him worse.

>>149358656
>Probably because they have Disney backing them, and is using their credit card like a spoiled rich girl with zero self control.
That sadly makes sense as the reasoning for why a lot of books that logically should be cancelled are kept alive, and why failed characters keep getting pushed, but if it's also why they're publishing so many X-books, is someone in charge one of those fandom zealots who truly believes Marvel should just be X-Men and Spider-Man and nothing else, or are they just stuck in a mentality that this stuff used to be popular decades ago so it should be just as popular forever? Or were the 30-40K hardcore X-Men readers that are left so loud and so angry over the Inhumans thing that Marvel are scared of ever making them mad again, even though they're happy to deliberately torment other fandoms that are at least as large.

>>149358844
Even with the absolute state of the talent pool they've got, they're wasting them on books nobody wants, and by now they must KNOW most of these X-books are titles nobody wants.

>>149333315
>why was dazzler arrested again?
Because she had a criminal record

>>149331029 (OP)
Still not going to read modern Marvel.

>>149359365
I see what you mean >>149360027

>>149331029 (OP)
What year did Wolverine and the X-men comic drop? Whenever that book released I did picrelated because right before that book was the whole schism event where Scott and Logan were fighting over turning kids into child soldiers, which makes sense, but then Logan immediately opens his school and starts training the kids to be child soldiers and everyone in universe was just praising him. Literally one of the most pants on head retarded shit I’ve seen.

I’m a simple man I just don’t like Jean grey, kill her off again and I’m back. Until she’s gone again I have no desire and you can suck my black dick whoever feels a way.

Fuck her as a staff, a record label and as a mothafucking crew.

>>149360087
>>Probably because they have Disney backing them, and is using their credit card like a spoiled rich girl with zero self control.
>That sadly makes sense as the reasoning for why a lot of books that logically should be cancelled are kept alive, and why failed characters keep getting pushed, but if it's also why they're publishing so many X-books, is someone in charge one of those fandom zealots who truly believes Marvel should just be X-Men and Spider-Man and nothing else, or are they just stuck in a mentality that this stuff used to be popular decades ago so it should be just as popular forever? Or were the 30-40K hardcore X-Men readers that are left so loud and so angry over the Inhumans thing that Marvel are scared of ever making them mad again, even though they're happy to deliberately torment other fandoms that are at least as large.

It's mainly because the tactic that Marvel seems to be using (I don't know if it's Brevoort specifically or some of his other bosses like Buckley) is to do what worked back then, flood the market with #1s, hope the orders go up because of the #1s buyers and alleged people who jump on, and now also the variant collectors

>is someone in charge one of those fandom zealots who truly believes Marvel should just be X-Men and Spider-Man and nothing else, or are they just stuck in a mentality that this stuff used to be popular decades ago so it should be just as popular forever? Or were the 30-40K hardcore X-Men readers that are left so loud and so angry over the Inhumans thing that Marvel are scared of ever making them mad again, even though they're happy to deliberately torment other fandoms that are at least as large.

I'm starting to question how many of those are actual fans and how many of those might just be Marvel employees masquerading as fans

>>149360917
>What year did Wolverine and the X-men comic drop?

This one?

https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Wolverine_%26_the_X-Men_Vol_1_1

2011.

Let's see who was editing at the time...


>Editor(s)
>Jordan D. White
>Nick Lowe

Well that explains some things

>>149360027
Is this post serious? Cyclops has one of the smallest groups for a fanbase and if you think he has more self insert fans than Wolverine you’re simply high, stupid or lying or all 3.

>>149361049
>the character who's currently off in space in her own solo book is preventing anon from enjoying other comics she's not in
>It's not enough for her to not be in other X-Men comics I might want to read, she needs to be dead
OK, you've convinced me you really are black.

>>149361212
The days of edgy kids self-inserting as Wolverine seem to be in the distant past. Cyclops is the one who gets shippers self-inserting as him, and racewar larpers with retarded revolution fantasies self-inserting as him because of the years where they were pushing Scott and Emma as 'the leaders of the mutant community'.

>>149361316
I said what I said bitch, suck my dick. I don’t know if that bitch is in space or not you and her die slow. I’ll be back when she’s gone

>>149361338
You need to get off /co/ and touch grass if you honestly believe this. Wolverine is literally and forever will be the most popular and self insert character in marvel behind spiderman. Is the dislike that much that you are literally willing to lie on the comics section of a Cambodian cow selling site.

>>149361338
Brother stop. You’re making a fool of yourself, you don’t even believe this.

>>149361081
Yes this one. Literally ran me off the series and I haven’t looked back.

>>149361081
Lowe era X-Men was actually good desu, he gave a damn back then.

>Jean grey comes back
>xmen reaches new heights of complete dogshit
>you get retarded threads like this
Who knew? News at 11

>>149361338
This is a retarded person. Don’t be one of these kids.

Someone should be fired

>>149361928
At least adjectiveless is near the top since it's the only actual superhero book of the bunch.

>>149361928
Ultimate X-books are so much better than main X-books

>>149361427
>>149361449
>>149361584
>>149361693
Not even him but he's absolutely right. Morrison turned Scott from boyscout to Wolverine light - the dark badass rebel with an unbreakable spirit - by the time of "rightclops" they'd completely swapped personalities and "cychos" were not only everywhere but completely insufferable. Anyone that claims otherwise wasn't there. Scott even became a self insert for writers like Fraction, all the stories revolved around him and had Emma acting as his cheerleader/ATM, it was pathetic.

>>149361049
Based black retard

I’ve seen it all

Wolverine fans are saying they are the victims of cyclops popularity and fans. WATTBA

>>149351042
>So replace with more soap opera shit?
I don't recall Emma Frost wanking off Ironheart unlike Pepper Potts.

>>149362665
If you're referring to me, not a fan of either of them. It makes sense newer male readers jumped on the Cyclops train because he was the edgelord contrarian dujour they could project onto at the time (dunno about now) taking the role from Wolverine who mellowed out in comparison.

If Cyclops had stayed the boyscout nerd he was prior to Morrison he wouldn't have the same following he does today

>>149352979
>Bendis' X-Men somehow having a lot of vocal fans online
The only explanation is these 'people' had never read an X-Men book before, because wtf

>>149362834
So it was cool to self insert as Wolverine when he was the edgelord but not cyclops?

>>149362876
Yes

>>149362892
Well that’s gay.

>>149355463
Spider-Man fandom is worse

>>149362996
Nice projection Tom Brevoort.

>>149363036
Nta but you are fucking annoying retards

>>149363072
>nta

doubt.jpg

https://sktchd.com/longform/retailer-feature-july-2025/
This is a paywalled article but I did come across a segment in there, that might explain why Marvel suddenly decided to pull this stunt:

>Arguably, or perhaps inarguably, the biggest contributor to the number of comics in the market right now is Marvel, the publisher that earned the most demerits from shops. At this point, it’s old news that Marvel is dragging. But it seems to only be getting worse, with the gap between the direct market’s #1 publisher in Marvel and its #2 one in DC tightening at multiple shops as the latter flourishes and the former flounders. And it isn’t any single thing the publisher’s doing that’s fueling this. It’s pretty much everything besides its Ultimate line.

>“Books for flagship characters are just…there. There’s not a lot of excitement,” Trites said. “The rare exceptions are Jeff books and Marvel licensed crossovers, but our subscription numbers for most core Marvel titles are as low as they’ve ever been.”

>“X-Men started well, but the number of titles starting over a short time scale was really overwhelming for a lot of our customers,” Myland added. “Many have just cut back to the core X-Titles.”

>It’s clear that the direct market’s most notable publisher is a significant sore spot for retailers right now, as Marvel seems to have little going for it beyond the unbreakable habits of Marvel Zombies and endless waves of titles and variant covers. And no one had a clear vision as to how they get out of it.

>>149361928
Surprised phoenix and storm are so low

>>149331563
No

>>149334942
Xorn?

>>149337146
>>149341427
No

>>149333803
Don't be a coward anon

>>149363434
You are? Why?

>>149361928
MacKay doing his level best to hard carry the entire office

>>149355544
I see x-men fans genuinely cheering the inclusion of apocalypse, sinister, magneto, emma frost to the x-men and I'm just asking myself wtf is wrong with x-men fags

>>149364315
Well it's like that one retailer said in >>149363252

>>“X-Men started well, but the number of titles starting over a short time scale was really overwhelming for a lot of our customers,” Myland added. “Many have just cut back to the core X-Titles.”

>>149331029 (OP)
Also, Kwannon is rocking the Leotard again. Didn't download the image because I am lazy.

>>149364515
at least tell me where to look

>>149364515
>>149364611
I gotchu

>>149364332
>I don't know what's been going on with X-men over the years and how their "allies" will ignore them whenever they are being genocided by humans/sentinel so im gonna be flabbergasted that they ask for help from their enemies and call them evil now

>>149364332
Meanwhile Spider-man has Green Goblin, Dr. Octopus and Venom as his allies now, not to mention Ultron is an Avenger now.

>>149365090
>>>/xtwitter/

>>149365114
>Meanwhile Spider-man has Green Goblin, Dr. Octopus and Venom as his allies now
Dr.Octopus is still a villain, but still suck for Norman. I would rather have Green Goblin Harry, instead of that Mephisto shit.

>>149365114
The difference is that is very controversial for spider-man fans and green goblin as an ally is outright hated

>>149365167
Especially when Good Guy Norman was the result of an extremely retarded storyline.

>>149364332
X-fags are largely self-inserting faggots for some reason, so they go off on their little domestic terrorism fantasies.