>First act is atrocious. Bizarre editing, exposition dumps and pacing

>Emotional cores of the film are underdeveloped, we truly don’t get see how much his original belief of his parents meant to him when it’s only brought up twice prior meaning the twist doesn’t hit. The citizens literally turn on him in one second lol. The “I love you” to Lois doesn’t hit since they only interacted twice prior.

>Many characters are completely pointless like Hawkgirl, the engineer and Rick Flag Sr

>Finale is the worse mix of CBM tropes, villain who has the same powers as the protagonist and massive world ending CGI fest. Neither gets time to breathe. Ultraman isn’t even a character which is a missed opportunity since the message of the film is you are who you choose to be. Clark giving that choice to his clone instead of killing him (?) would’ve been great emotional payoff.

Lex, Terrific and Jimmy were great. Need Lois, Cat and Hawkgirl in my harem.

>>149357623 (OP)
tl;dr. I thought it was fun and liked all of it, though.

>>149357623 (OP)
>Ultraman isn’t even a character which is a missed opportunity since the message of the film is you are who you choose to be.
Is it, though? Why would we need to specifically see an illustration of an evil Superman to understand why the concept of it is bad and why Superman isn't like that. You don't need to analyze a shadow to prove how bright the light is.

Honestly, this movie is really shining a light on a lot of psychological problems with people. You think evil deserves a chance to be deconstructed or debated with. It doesn't—evil just gets punched or thrown in a black hole and the rest of us get on with our lives. I legitimately feel like this is a societal issue stemming from socia media, where every tweet gets a chance to be taken seriously as long as it has enough likes.

>>149357623 (OP)
>Need Lois, Cat and Hawkgirl in my harem.
nobody cares, coombrain. Go away.

>>149357623 (OP)
Why didn't Lex kill him when he had the chance?

>>149357623 (OP)
>Lex, Terrific and Jimmy were great.
Lol.
No they weren't.

were his parents actually supposed to be evil?
i thought it was just Lex fucking with the recording
i know it's just a movie too but it was weird how everyone instantly got mad at Superman as soon as the news started playing
only real issues I had since I think they did the evil parents twist with Batman before too

>>149358006
Terrific was barely mid what you on about

Lex was shit because he didnt kill superman when he had the best chance with kryptonite.

Jimmy is an industry psyop, girls don't actually like him. A tall girl will never date a short guy

>>149358030
There is zero indication Lex fucked with it, terrific even confirms its real.

Are snyderfaggot mass suicides happening yet?

>>149358030
AI deepfakes must not have emerged In this timeline yet, or everyone would be skeptical.

>>149357623 (OP)
Not reading all that but besides some minor complaints that can be attributed to them trying to make a fast paced compact running time for a change it was very good.

>>149357623 (OP)
>>First act is atrocious. Bizarre editing, exposition dumps and pacing
If anything I felt the first act was better than most Capeshit nowadays which has to do a whole fucking loop until the action kicks in

>>Emotional cores of the film are underdeveloped, we truly don’t get see how much his original belief of his parents meant to him when it’s only brought up twice prior meaning the twist doesn’t hit. The citizens literally turn on him in one second lol. The “I love you” to Lois doesn’t hit since they only interacted twice prior.
The general audience already know who Lois and his biological parents are, there doesn't really need to be a whole dramatic arc when everyone's already familiar with these characters and even then the movie does an interesting job by already placing Lois and Clark on a relationship with the secret identity gone. And there kind of is an emotional core/arc when you consider that this younger Superman and Lois are only dating for 3 months and each of them have egos of their own

>>Many characters are completely pointless like Hawkgirl, the engineer and Rick Flag Sr
Most of them are set-ups for future DCU projects, Flag is there to draw a bridge with Creature Commandos; I do wish The Engineer was fleshed-out since I barely recognized who she was

>>Finale is the worse mix of CBM tropes

I agree with you on the last part, but I also think Ultraman is an interesting character since it plays with the film's focus on people seeing Superman as some sort of US Ambassador and how he should act; Ultraman is kind of a mirror to that, a Superman that always follows orders and is trapped by his biological parents (just as Supes with his kryptonian family, Ultraman has that with Lex) and as a result is a complete dunce. In a way, Clark killing Ultraman kind of symbolizes him letting go of this way of life.

Just my two cents.

>>149358035
>A tall girl will never date a short guy
You wanna talk about it, anon?

>>149358030
Not evil just more complicated than simply GOOD and virtuous which is fine. Gunn and Swet just today gave an interview or at least it was published today saying as much. That parents are complicated and through that or despite it you have to find who you are independent from them. As I say above, the "is it real or isn't it thing," was a tad sloppy in that it wasn't exactly clear when he accepted maybe, like when he was out of it and ma Kent was telling him to rest it seemed it he was kind of hallucinating it and it wasn't really the deal, but the next scene with Pa it became clear. This I think is a casualty of the runtime. Plot beats move a bit too fast, but that it does move so swiftly is ultimately a strength too I think.

>>149357623 (OP)
>Bizarre
Say that again

>>149358110
He's in another thread going off about it. Feels very personal.

>>149358134
Terrific.

>>149357623 (OP)
>Need Lois, Cat and Hawkgirl in my harem.
based based based

>>149357679
Ultraman never got a chance and one of Superman's core beliefs is redemption.

>>149358272
He absolutely tried talking to him and telling him it's not too late and Lex was using him

DID YOU MISS THAT PART

>>149358293
No, I didn't miss that. I was just explaining why people think Ultraman needed a chance to be saved. Although personally, I think Superman should have been shown trying harder or at least could have been shown to feel more bad after Ultraman died. He had a comedic moment immediately afterwards.

>>149358360
He did not die though

>>149358386
Well I wouldn't say he's having a very good time in the black hole that was then sealed.

>>149358478
He’s fiiiiiiine.

>>149358478
He'll flourish on Htrae.

>>149357623 (OP)
>Rick Flag Sr
WB should tell him to piss off with SS shilling already no one cares
>Ultraman isn’t even a character which is a missed opportunity
Yeah, we'll never get the crime syndicate because this faggot had to waste the fucking name

>>149358478
Bizarro no am very happy on Htrae now and definitely no am be back for cameos later.

>>149358030
Parents love Kal-el and want him to live a good life on this planet and repopulate it with kryptonians. They mean well and love him, just in a kryptonian way. That's not evil by any means.

>>149358806
RESPECT kryptonian culture, chud!

>>149357623 (OP)
Just got back from watching it myself

The first act is indeed a mess and it takes a while for you to get into what Gunn is going for but after that it's great. I feel like they could have cut out some stuff like the Kaiju and some of the Justice Gang to set things up better and it would overall be more cohesive

There are definitely pointless characters and this movie will become better or worse based on how the new DCU plays out over time. If there's no pay off for these characters then this movie becomes worse but either ways it's not an amazing standalone movie even if it was entertaining

Clark's parents sending him to conquer Earth needed a lot more than a single speech from Pa Kent and people instantly hating him then instantly loving him again

Superman is a newbie at this but I feel like Superman would do more to get Krypto trained up and would actually tell Kara off for her loose living. It's fine if the training doesn't take and she ignores his lectures but Superman would give those lectures and would try that training

On a positive note I really felt like this is a Superman who cares and is a Big Blue Boy Scout so the vibe is good. Jimmy Olsen was great as well.

Holy shit who cares where's Guy Gardner

I can see why the monkey scene pissed off so many anons. They were absolutely called out.

>>149358030
>i thought it was just Lex fucking with the recording
It's this, but /co/ needs you to hate the movie because Gunn made fun of conservatives on twitter.

>>149359187
It’s not, the recording was legit. The movie is very clear about that.

>>149359187
It's legit, at least, that's the kayfabe right now and Gunn's maintaining it. Could be shenanigans, for sure, but also if not, it's interesting on its own.

>>149359264
I feel like Jor-El would have worded that a lot more subtly. I'm sure I watched or read something where Jor-El about how Kal-El would be like a god to humans with the powers he'd have and he used that to justify sending him there to his wife

>>149359264
>>149359314
Ok I found it in Superman: Birthright but it's also mentioned in Smallville and in Man of Steel. In both those instance there's hints he can conquer Earth but it's more subtle

I feel like Lex put a negative spin on what was being said. Same message but phrased to make Superman sound even worse

>>149359177
By a pedo?

>>149358478
Haven't you watched Dr. Who? Fates worse than death aren't just okay, they're kooky and fun!

Ultraman's fine. He's not "evil Superman" he's a braindead clone being puppeteered, and making Superman talk him into being good or turning on Lex would be the bigger cliche.

>>149359548
Superman tried to talk down Engineer, masked Ultra Man and wanted to take the Kaiju somewhere to be kept safely or euthanised painlessly but once he saw Ultrman was his clone he ceased trying to talk him down or resolve things peacefully

>Man of Steel got people so hard that this movie had to very hard in making sure no civilians got harmed or killed.
I can overlook a lot of things, but not this..

>>149359574
What the FUCK is up with the spelling and grammar today. I've never seen it like this, been feeling like I'm stroking out reading these comments.

>>149358035
>A tall girl will never date a short guy
The heels don't count

>>149359595
Writing and walking is not a good combination
>Man of Steel got people so upset that this movie had go the extra mile in making sure no civilians got harmed or killed.

>>149359567
It's pretty clear after Lex's explanation ("he's even dumber than you are") that there's no way to talk him out of fighting because he's not a sentient person making decisions. He's a flesh puppet with superstrength.

>>149359623
Ok that's fair happens to me too, but besides you something still seems amiss

>>149357623 (OP)
>we truly don’t get see how much his original belief of his parents meant to him when it’s only brought up twice prior meaning the twist doesn’t hit.
What kind of autismo can't comprehend the emotional damage of finding out your parents are fucked up

>>149358030
https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/superman-ending-explained-jor-el-evil-twist-james-gunn-interview
Gunn confirms Luthor didn't edit the tape and the message is real

>>149359633
and he's taking Lex's word as gospel? This guy even saved squirrels. I can't see him not trying to reason with him till the very end

no torrent = no care

>>149358121
>>149358806
>Snyder making Jor-El jump a little? TERRIBLE
>Gunn making Jor-El an Omni-Man rip-off? BASED

>>149359664
I'm still not convinced that the footage and audio isn't fake, linguistic expect on a language from another planet? Yeah right

>>149359595
>>149359659
NTA, but I think a good chunk of it is that a bunch of ESLs came here to argue over this movie because they either really hate or really like snyder.

>>149359690
Don't know what the first means but both Snyder's and Gunn's interpretations were fine

>>149359692
>>149359673

>>149359679
I think it being a clone of you absolves you of moral responsibility cause it's not seen as a person anymore, on a Doylist level. Like that Wolverine clone in Logan. If it's just a clone of you then you can kill it all you like without the audience thinking bad of you. Who are they to say how much you can or cannot beat yourself up?

>>149359756
yeah like civilians are the objective to save, animals are cute and would upset the audience if they got hurt, clones are unnatural and evil replacements of you and gotta die

Hawk Tuah girl was terrible, I only liked Terrific and Guy
I was expecting the Justice Gang to be like massive edgelords and Superman would have to set them straight but they surprisingly weren't

>>149359574
You can't overlook people being saved in a Superhero movie?

>>149360505
Hawkgirl and Guy were just fucking assholes

>>149360505
>I was expecting the Justice Gang to be like massive edgelords and Superman would have to set them straight but they surprisingly weren't
Honestly same. I went in expecting the movie to be kinda like "What's So Funny About Truth, Justice & the American Way" and instead they threaded the needle by showing they were all on the same side and it was really just Clark trying to go above and beyond pulling his punches.

>>149359595
The chimps are chimping. These fuckwits are so desperate to find things to complain about they're not even masking their ESL.

>>149358030
>it was weird how everyone instantly got mad at Superman as soon as the news started playing

That’s literally what happens when someone gets cancelled

>>149359422
There is no list.

>>149359548
He can feel fear and has some awareness judging by him screaming at his imminent demise/black hole cbt. I think it's more like he's just a retarded person no smarter than a very young child.

It gets bonus points just for having Jimmy be a white redhead.

>>149359673
>Zoomers and casuals forgetting creators lie all the time to cover up for future twists
lol

>>149360676
What’s the future twist meant to be anon? He’s not sad about it so it’s not exactly sequel bait that he has to overcome this horrifying trauma. He’s fine the old parents he never met were alien weirdos.

>>149360694
>Movie never actually explores what Jor-El means
>Lex was the one who found it and had every reason to tamper with it purely to fuck with Clark's life
>And even if he didn't, why would anyone on Earth know anything about literal alien language
>Fucking Supergirl exists, who in almost every incarnation would know about Krypton's culture
But gee wiz they said it was real. Man guess nothing to be done, I'm literally shaking right now that Jor-El is obviously evil.

>Superman directly is shown being the only person carrying about the safety of people during the Justice Gang Kaiju fight
>leaves them alone to fight the dimensional imp anyway
Is he stupid? Someone could DIE, Superman!!

>>149360824
It was in mid air and wasnt hitting buildings or anything

>>149360824
>Dimensional imp
>Wasn't a small man with a tiny hat
Can't fool me Mxy