What's the stupidest "moral" in comics?

>>149359065 (OP)
realistically Punisher would make Batsy his bitch

>>149359065 (OP)
Why do I get the sneaking suspicion that this is not made by someone who reads comics

>>149359065 (OP)
then the number of killers stays the same each time are you stupid?

>>149359101
Capeshit is retarded and you know it.

>>149359101
It's AI so.....

>>149359106
Biting this bait because I'm bored, if one killer killed 30 other killers, then there'd only be one killer left, not 31.

>>149359065 (OP)
Do AIsloppers not realize it's not a real Batman quote?

The moral of being against extrajudicial killing outside of self defense is sound. The result however becomes that no one can kill a villain ever under any circumstance. Which is decidedly less so. But the reason has always been, "because the villains are popular."

We have had this discussion on /co/ before. A lot.

>>149359106
let's say there are 10 killers and 1 Batman who has never killed anyone

Number of killers=10

Batman kills Killer 1
Number of killers=10, still

Batman kills Killer 2
Number of killers=9

Batman kills Killer 3
Number of killers=8
.
.
.
Batman kills Killer 10
Number of killers=1

It's not about who but about why.

>>149359065 (OP)
why did he go shave in between panels

What I really want to know is where that quote originated from and why is it constantly attributed to Batman when he has literally never said it.

>>149359194
He became belgian too

>>149359194
>Why is AI slop inconsistent
Woaw! Next you'll ask why all AI videos seem to be 3 sec to 10 second long clips edited together!

>caring about what a slop enthusiast thinks about comics
AI needs it's own board and then a global rule banning it everywhere else.

>>149359212
Nobody. It is claimed Winston Churchill said something similar which was
>If you kill the murderer, the number of murderers stays the same
But there is no hard evidence, it is likely a case of people just finding a famous historical figure and applying a made up quote that people end up repeating.

>>149359230
I've said this as well but 4chan removed the feedback form with board suggestions. There needs to be an /ais/ board for AIslop and it hardbanned outside it.

>>149359230
Tbh modern capeshiy is pure slop on the same level of ai

i have anti-woke fatigue

>>149359255
No, it isn't. Fuck off demanding absolute shit. Even terrible modern comics don't make inconsistencies between two fucking panels as often as AI.

>>149359270
No you dont.

>>149359280
yeah i do

>>149359143
>>149359212
It's a perfect encapsulation of the current AI trends which are an outgrowth of SEO content farming. Nobody can find the original source but it gets endlessly parroted as if it's real. Even the Google slop generator treats it as if it's real but then cites some Facebook meme content farming page and an opinion piece from a high school student newspaper which makes the same mistake of treating the quote as if it's real but not attributing to any real source.

>>149359275
Ok, then it’s one step above ai but they are still garbage.

>>149359085
He was humbled by Batman, Captain America, and Daredevil

if you kill a killer, the number of killers remains the same = vigilantes aren't judge,judy and executioner

only disingenuous retards argue this

>>149359129
holy shit you're right
who is bothering to train AI on this? you could draw it in ten seconds, with the right number of pupils.
>>149359159
yep.. it's sad, we're stuck in the same loop the comic writers are. we want to take this seriously as a setting, we don't want villains to just be executed, yet we do want them to be seriously dangerous enough that the state MUST execute them.
So we're outta luck. vigilantes can't do it, because that would prove the villains right: that the law is powerless to help. but the state can't do it or we wouldn't have a comic anymore. You can't just have all the villains fall off of cliffs but then mysteriously survive over and over either.

>>149359251
the feedback form had board suggestions on it? Huh, I only used it for moderation feedback

it's nice of them to make it more honest, now that you can only submit bug reports.
>>149359298
MAN those are long glovespikes.

If you constantly murder innocent people and have proven to be impossible to contain in prison, you have no right to complain when your enemies resort to more permanent methods of eliminating you from the equation. The Joker lives to do nothing but kill people for his own sick amusement. What benefit is there to keeping him alive besides enabling the Batbaby?

>>149359313

>>149359355
as long as people who sympathize with and benefit from crime are allowed to vote, we will keep having more and more states remove the death penalty.
Gotham is roughly New York, right? it's like, half of it is Metropolis and half is Gotham? so.. yeah it's not happening.

>>149359370
Well, it's not like the whole point of being a vigilante is to go after those who the law has failed to punish for their crimes. Oh wait! That's exactly the whole point of being a vigilante.

>>149359366
Superboy is arguing for the sake of self-defense.

it's not the same thing as vigilantes deciding who lives or dies. retard.

>>149359353
Yeah there used to be board suggestions. I once suggested a hobby board for things not covered by other boards. Stamp collecting, coin collecting, shit like that. But they ignored it.

>>149359399
>it's not the same thing as vigilantes deciding who lives or dies. retard.

If choosing to let the villain live means that they'll learn nothing and go right back to killing innocents, and the vigilante knows damn well that's going to happen, then they're pretty much an accomplice to the villain's future crimes. If you can't stand to make tough choices, then don't choose a line of work that requires you to make tough choices. It's like becoming a doctor and complaining that you spend all day dealing with sick people, or becoming a garbageman when the mere smell of garbage makes you nauseous.

>>149359065 (OP)
masked vigilantes fight crime, police cheers (helplessly)
superheroes fighting OP aliens I get, but purse snatchers and common gangsters? you don't really need a batman for that.

>>149359399
I know, I just wanted to bring it up cause it's a Clark moment I really like.

>>149359313
>judge,judy and executioner

>>149359141
obviously not because that violates the axium:
>if you kill a killer the number of killers in the world stays the same.
so you must be wrong.

>>149359395
yes, in the same way that a hero adventurer is supposed to be a rare guy who does his life differently from others because someone needs to overthrow the demon lord or whatever.. he's not supposed to be common, you're not supposed to have an entire economy and guilds of the shit. that brings into question why anyone is still a baker or whatever.

vigilantes are supposed to be special, so if you're going to have the state be incompetent, at least write that into the story well enough that people mocking the stories put the blame where it belongs
>>149359413
huh, collector board. that sounds fun.
>>149359430
this is another weirdly obvious thing about morality that so many people have trouble with. Sometimes your two options are both bad. you pick the better one.

>>149359160
no it's like this
k is the number of killers in the world
k - 1 = k

>>149359101
>Why do I get the sneaking suspicion that this is not made by someone who reads comics
Are you sure about that?

>>149359270
Nobody cares.

>a "no killing rules are dumb" thread with an ai op got more than 10 replies
Sometimes I like to think that the cartoonfag side is a lot more retarded. Well, it's true, but it seems like comicsfags are still mentally stunted

>>149359313
Some people need to die. Some people need to die in agony and horror.

I'd prefer it if Batman just didn't make any convoluted justifications. You can easily make Batman acceptable via two core points:
1) Bruce refuses to be judge, jury and executioner. He has to draw a hard line as to what he can and can't allow himself to do.
2) Bruce has a psychologically compulsion to try and save whoever's in front of him. He HAS to try. Dent HAS to flip his coin, Nigma HAS to make riddles. If someone in front of him is about to lose their life and if Bruce has any capability to prevent it, he MUST try to prevent it. It's the nature of his insanity.

>>149359270
Sick of being told the truth because it's bland, tasteless and sometimes cruel? Too bad.

>>149359430
>If choosing to let the villain live means that they'll learn nothing and go right back to killing innocents, and the vigilante knows damn well that's going to happen, then they're pretty much an accomplice to the villain's future crimes.
I disagree insofar as vigilantes don't have a responsibility to kill. The issue you run into is when vigilantes either get in the way of other people that want to solve problems more permanently or turn villains over to systems they know they'll escape from, or worse, be let off by.

Like that time Superman turned a bunch of mass murdering weapons traffickers over to a corrupt justice system he knew would recruit them for weapons research instead of punishing them and also he stopped someone they had mutilated from killing them while he was at it. And his justification for this was if they do a bunch of crimes against humanity again, he'll be there to shut them down and give them another warning afterward.

That was a thing that happened. In a well-regarded Superman story at that.

>>149359786
Easy to solve with a simple equation!
(k - k) + 1 = 1

>>149359894
I think there's also a lot of botting going on to prop up the AIslop

>"Why doesn't Batman just ki---"
Batman works with the police. Jim Gordon is one of his closest allies. This would not be the case if he were a killer.

>>149359950
The counterpoint to that is he wouldn't really need to work with the cops if his villains didn't need arresting and prosecuting.

>>149359926
I feel like that kinda really delves into the issue that Superman faces. He's someone who could force his views and interests onto the world with little to stand in his way. He can FORCE world peace, he can kill any mass murderers and despotic dictators and create an "ideal" world. But how many people would he have to kill to achieve that? How many eggs would he have to break? Does he have the right to go that far? Is it acceptable for a single man, even a super-powerful alien, to force a world to be as he likes? Clark doesn't want to be the god-emperor of humanity, he doesn't want to be the enforcer of his absolute law, he doesn't want to force the world to play by his rules.

>>149360064
And in many ways, Batman has similar issues. He's not as powerful as Superman, he's can't bend the world to his will overnight. But I do think the issue does cause him some conflict. The system is broken. No matter how many times he captures criminals and puts them away, Gotham is still a shithole. He's one man, a vigilante. He wasn't elected, he has no influence. Should he be taking peoples' lives into his own hands? Should he deem who deserves to live and die? By some unfortunate twist, despite being ostensibly having no qualifications to do so, he CAN do it. He can make it so there's one less killer in the world. Ten less. Fifty. For whatever reason, he's the only one with the ability to do this. If he hands the Joker to the authorities, he'll survive and break free again one day. But Bruce operates outside the law. The only thing stopping him from killing these criminals is his own refusal to do so. If the law is unable to put a permanent end to these threats, should Bruce claim the unilateral authority to do so on his own terms? Should Bruce just decide that it's his responsible to judge the lives of others and end them as he sees fit? Even if it's "just" the Joker, he's still deciding he's the final arbiter of someone's fate.

And if he stops at the Joker, it'd be hypocrisy. The Joker's a maniac, but he's hardly got the biggest body count in DC. If he chooses to kill the Joker, shouldn't he be killing everyone else with comparable or greater body counts? He has the ability. He has the power. If he wanted to, he could sneak into the camp of whatever African warlord or Mexican drug cartel he wants, kill who he needs to kill and leave before anyone realizes he was there. He's displayed the capacity to do so.

>>149360064
>he doesn't want to force the world to play by his rules.
Well, he should have thought about it before putting his underwear over his pants and going through the world imposing his will on what he believes is right.

>>149360064
>But how many people would he have to kill to achieve that?
How many people have to die to spare Superman's feelings? Why do crimes against humanity need to go on under Superman's nose because ending them would be too political? Why is a man capable of being a god-emperor incapable of maintaining peace or recruiting people to do so for him? Why do the free will and lives of mass murderers matter?

Honestly I can't stand the cowardly moral simplicity Superman embodies. He never considers he might be wrong. He never laments over the people he could have saved but didn't because in his mind "Superman" could never do the hard things that would save more lives. He always treats going against his moral code as if he would be a god imposing its will upon humanity and not a person using the power they have to make the world they are a part of a better place. He always otherizes himself in that hypothetical, as if drastic measures would be the actions of an alien god and not a regular person tired of seeing massive needless body counts. It's like there's some weird mental disconnect between Clark Kent and the violence of Superman in his head.

Like you dumb motherfucker, you don't have to turn into a supervillain just to save more people. Just be Clark Kent but less of a cuck that puts red lines before lives.

>>149360070
>If he chooses to kill the Joker, shouldn't he be killing everyone else with comparable or greater body counts?
If they demonstrably can't be held in prison, yes.

>>149359085
Batman wasn't retarded enough to get divorce raped.

>>149360271
>It's like there's some weird mental disconnect between Clark Kent and the violence of Superman in his head.
Actually, I'll just say this. If Superman had been born a human, I don't think he would have become a superhero. And that is just a damning indictment of the bastard.

>149359065
Terrible AI slop as usual, and I suspect the 'author' is the same faggot who tries to push his shitty AI characters here on /co/ from time to time.

>>149360271
Humans need agency. If we can't make our own mistakes, then we may as well not exist. What's the point of a species that just gets babysat all the time forever?

>>149360374
I fail to see why agency should include severe violence and beyond that Superman should fucking act like he has agency too.

This is the sort of shit I'm talking about. Clark Kent doesn't get to be the fucking down home farm boy and an all powerful alien god who would be depriving humanity by saving it from itself. He needs to quit fucking acting like humanity's problems aren't fucking his problem, too. It's terrible fucking writing and makes him come across like he's a got a god complex he's in denial about.

His default response to anything getting in the way of him saving people should be "fuck you, not on my watch."

>>149359244
It's like "let them eat cake" which is actually a Rousseau quote attributed to a nameless princess (and in all likelihood is part of a fictional anecdote) first written when Marie Antoinette was a child.

>>149360271
I dunno, why doesn't he put the world in a bottle?

>>149359212
Closest I've ever seen is
>>149359852
The meaning is the exact same but the wording is entirely different.

>>149360533
>why doesn't he put the world in a bottle?
Because it would be exceedingly difficult to fight crime then. That said, if putting the world in a bottle were the only way to save it, I wouldn't want Superman to let the world be destroyed in the name of humans being left to their fates because that would be fucking stupid.

>>149359065 (OP)
It's just some dogshit ubermensch morality that capeshit comics shill because they try to make their heroes appear highly virtuous without explicity saying its derived from Christian morality.

>>149359784
>weirdly obvious thing about morality that so many people have trouble with
Not really. The moral responsibility would fall entirely to the State due to the failure of both law enforcement and the legal system to apprehend, detain, punish, and/or rehabilitate the criminal.

Capeshit is dumb.

>>149359065 (OP)
Why is ai shit pushed so hard by retards? Just draw faggot

>>149359085
>frankcels really believe this horseshit
>>149359116
it’s a trillion times better than tranime

>>149359065 (OP)
Batman refuses to be an executioner, punisher doesn't. simple as

>>149360670
>afterwards, everyone is alive and happy
Depends on the porn

>>149360271
>>149360510

At the risk of entering into this argument unasked, this brings up an interesting point that I feel needs to be addressed.
At what point is someone obligated to act?

It is as you say understandable when Superman has to save the world because, as it so happens, the world is where he lives. A few of these moral obligations foisted on someone make sense.
But where's the line at which point he is not required to act? Is it as Voltaire said, and we're all guilty of the good we don't do?

>>149359313
you show me a jury that could fairly sentence Darkseid or Mongul as well as a state that could carry out that sentencing
i'll wait

>>149359065 (OP)
I am completely okay with Batman and Spider-Man having no kill rules because they are personally traumatized by murder.

I am NOT okay with them being Karens and forcing every other superhero to follow suit.

>>149359370
Why doesn't a corrupt cop or another criminal or a vigilante kill him then?

>>149360533
>I dunno, why doesn't he put the world in a bottle?
Doesn't that story end with humanity being allowed to flourish to the point of stagnation without Superman and Earth ending up being destroyed because of that stagnation and Superman refusing to lift a finger to stop it?

>>149360840
because he's too marketable to die

>>149359085
lmao no

>>149360854
This is the only answer. This argument is stupid because this is the answer. Even if he dies, he'll come back. Nothing is sacred if money is on the line.

>>149359065 (OP)
Batman should kill when necessary. A rigid no-kill rule is stupid and artificially created to keep popular villains, so is inherently retarded.

>>149360932
A rigid no kill rule can be interesting, but the writers don't bother to make it interesting

>>149360064
>>149360070
>>149360271
>>149360510
Why don't the police just execute everyone they apprehend?

>>149359065 (OP)
You people act like every hero needs to be an indiscriminately murdering sociopath or a pussy who refuses to hurt anyone with no middle ground

>>149360835
they're aliens so they need an alien tribunal

>>149360835
>you show me a jury that could fairly sentence Darkseid or Mongul as well as a state that could carry out that sentencing
IIRC there is a god jury working for the Presence, the guardians of the universe, a jury from Kandor, the Spectre, some 5th dimensional imps, literally who gives a shit? Just have some random Gothamites on the jury and deputize anyone strong enough to carry out the sentence. Zatanna. It doesn't fucking matter.

>>149360825
"Legally" you generally aren't required to save someone even if doing so wouldn't put you in harms way unless the person in danger is a minor or someone you are directly responsible for (and even by this bare minimum standard, Superman has a ton of fucking personal liability).

"Ethically" I'm of the opinion that shit's on you if you can act without jeopardizing yourself and there's a spectrum even if you would jeopardize yourself to some degree. However this is obviously the subject of a ton of philosophical debate that would probably best be had elsewhere. You don't need to get into ethics and philosophy to attack the behavior of a lot of capes when they can be attacked on bad writing grounds alone.

I'd say part of Superman's problem is he's so fucking powerful that realistically he would have an ethical obligation to be doing everything he can every waking second to help people out of danger up to but not beyond the point of madness, but he's not the only do-gooder in his setting and people honestly don't end up in danger that often in the real world, meaning he legitimately could just part time that shit and mostly focus on superthreats as they pop up. DC's settings are shittier than they should logically be for worlds where Superman exists and the justifications they give for that bullshit are crap. There's literally no god damn reason for that shit either. DC's the ones doing the dumbass worldbuilding.

>>149360952
>Why don't the police just execute everyone they apprehend?
Because then there'd be nobody to pay the local government fines and private prisons wouldn't get slave labor. Don't be a fucking idiot. What the fuck do you think the job of police is?

>>149361103
Answer the fucking question. Why is the moral onus is on superheroes to execute criminals instead of the police?

>>149361150
>Why is the moral onus is on superheroes to execute criminals instead of the police?
It isn't. And I have never said it is. I said it's bad writing for them to not do so.

It is also bad writing for the cops to not do so. Cape comics have plenty of bad writing to go around.

>>149360952
>Why don't the police just execute everyone they apprehend?
It depends on the situation, they can kill someone with a gun.

>>149361088
In this instance, I was referring more to an 'ethically' or 'morally' standpoint. You're not wrong that DC fails on enough other fronts for it to be a larger talking point and probably a larger one.
As has been stated a thousand times before, ultimately the decision comes down to legacy characters in the big two being evergreen either because it is necessary for them to do so, an unwillingness to adapt or try something new, or some of both.
If we want to be (very) charitable to DC and Marvel? They haven't tried killing the Joker because the reader base will not accept Batman comics without him, and Batman, Superman and the others are largely what drives their sales. They're risk averse because they don't have the luxury of capital to take those kinds of risks.
Being just a bit more cynical (read: realistic) however? They've no interest in changing the formula. Personally I think there's a mix of both at play here, but whatever the case, the bottom line here is the bottom line. DC's reticence doesn't stem from any narrative or moral obligation, but from one simply of being financial.
However, the OP asked for the stupidest "moral" of comics. They're asking about the moral question. Even if the way they're asking it is pretty disingenuous.
And to answer the moral question of 'no kill rules' with super heroes, you're eliminating the question of vulnerability and risk to apprehending someone versus outright killing them. It's a bit of a philosophical question for sure, but supposing for a moment that it risks as much to your personal safety to non-lethally vs non lethally stop a threat. You aren't putting yourself in harm's way to do either. Whether that be because of super powers or some other explanation that renders them not a threat to you, or one that is minimal. What then is the moral imperative? (CONT)

>>149361088
>literally who gives a shit?
Everyone who actually gets into the argument. Superman has an obligation to act as judge and jury in such matters where he acts as officer because there is no possibility of having an impartial jury or any social contract bearing state capable of sentencing such people
What if the jury determines that for his crimes someone like Parasite should get the death sentence but the only method they can conceive to carry it out without cruelty is to have superman toss him into the sun? Would he follow such mandate?
>Zatanna. It doesn't fucking matter
It matters massively because half these heroes would pussy out even if a fucking unanimous vote from 100% of the population were asking them to execute these villains for them.

>>149361327
Starting at the lower end of the scale, Superman is being shot at by a random armed thug. Not just from a legal standpoint, but from an ethical or moral standpoint - What's the moral course of action? Obviously the man of steel is un-phased by bullets entirely. It's not a question of his life being at risk, but he knows that the vigilante has a gun and knows he's willing to use it and putting other people at risk.
So does Superman crack him open and turn him into confetti or does he take the gun away like he's taking away a pop gun from a spoiled child? This is an obviously easier answer than perhaps say, Batman and Joker, but the extension there becomes similar. When looked at through the greater context of the criminal in question being a threat to you, what you're looking at is how much of the burden of ending a recurrent villain who refuses to be rehabilitated is on the state (or a failure of the state) and how much is placed on the person simply apprehending them.

I understand I just asked a boatload of questions there and that makes this a difficult thing to engage with, but the conundrum is in itself loaded with questions.

>>149361375
From an ethical and moral standpoint, outside of extraordinarily specific circumstances which should not logically apply to someone like Superman, I don't see killing being obligated. I have always held that simply not wanting to kill is perfect grounds for a character not killing generally.

And if characters like Superman would just fucking say "I don't wanna, if you want them dead, you fucking do it" that could literally be fucking it. It is perfectly reasonable for someone to not have a stomach for killing. But DC and to a much lesser degree Marvel always insist upon having some bullshit underlying logic or message behind characters not killing and always extends not killing to also not personally imprisoning and interfering with other characters killing. To say nothing of capes staying out of politically sensitive matters like wars and shit.

As I have said repeatedly in this thread, it isn't an ethical issue, it's a writing issue.

>>149359244
Churchill loved killing people.

>>149361375
Superman disarms them, delivers them to authority, and they then get tried to attempted homicide getting 25 to life because they're a normal criminal and not named.

>>149359928
k - k = k too

>>149361630
Excellent point, particularly the last part you mentioned.

>>149359890
You cared enough to reply

>>149359085
90/100 Batman variants, yes. There are some Batman runs where Bruce would absolutely win. Just like Goku beats most versions of Clark but Cosmic Armor Supes deletes Goku and the entire DB universe.

yeah but who kills the killmen?

>>149362156
the killmen themselves
the last frank Frank would ever frank would be frankself

>>149359065 (OP)
>Ethnostates are cool and valid when Mutants and Africans with hyperadvanced technology that could improve the entire world, but instead choose total xenophobic internationalism do it

>>149359251
I think you can still IRC them

>>149359710
>I'm gonna s m i l e

>>149359065 (OP)
>What's the stupidest "moral" in comics?
Superheroes should stay out of war unless it's an alien invasion or WWII.

>>149359280
nooooo you can't say that in my safe space jeeeeeeeewwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

>>149359313

>>149359298
Meanwhile Spider-Man dunked on Batman with little effort.

>>149359085
Punisher got one shotted by Shocker

>>149359313
>KIller kills 50 people
>KIller gets killed
>-1 out of 49

>>149359313
Superman has killed before without going evil and even actively watched as the comic book version of Faora suffocated to death, choosing not to save her. Part of what seperates Superman from Batman is that Superman is willing to make the hard choice and live with the regret if it really matters.

>>149363141
So did Venom

>>149363233
Yeah, makes me filled with pride

>>149363233
Shocker fucking Venom up actually makes sense. His power is sound, that's like a 1-10 matchup for a Symbiote.

>>149363208
>even actively watched as the comic book version of Faora suffocated to death, choosing not to save her
In fairness, that literally caused him to have a mental breakdown complete with hallucinations from the guilt that only went away when he got a murderer off death row.

So sure, he didn't go evil, but it's not really a healthy mindset that Superman feels like he needs to save a murderer's life to balance the scales if he kills once.

>>149363261
>In fairness, that literally caused him to have a mental breakdown complete with hallucinations from the guilt that only went away when he got a murderer off death row.
Yeah and was good character development which served to reinforce ideals.

>>149363255
Counterpoint: Symbiotes get wanked to fuck and back constantly so marvel remembering one has a weakness and playing that weakness straight is a small fucking miracle.

>>149363276
Marvel has very little editorial control, Carnage used to kill people by somehow being able to go through miles of telephone line.

Repeat after me, children...

>>149359346
>who is bothering to train AI on this?
Indians.

>>149359085
brmposisoafshwadfcbsl

>>149359065 (OP)
Fuck AIslop and Fuck You.

>>149359065 (OP)
The Bible says not to kill. You can't be a hero without being Christian. Simple as.

>>149361088
>Ethically
*Morally

>>149359065 (OP)
What's the appeal of AI art other than the ability to shit out shit as quick as possible, or to "own" libtard artists?

>>149359900
3) Baby Brucie simply doesn't want playtime to end.

>>149364465
Seriously, that's what they should do. Just have Batman say the following:

>I won't kill the Joker because I don't want to. I want to keep playing with my toys forever and ever and ever and I literally do not care how many innocent people die. I didn't become a superhero to save people, I became a superhero so I could play like a literal toddler and I'm so rich that I'm immune to the word "No." so no one can to me. I don't care about anything except indulging my childish fantasies for all eternity. Gotham City is my personal playground for me to play with as I wish. And if you complain I'll buy your house and bulldoze it with your family inside.

Then the comics can continue with the formula completely unaltered, the only difference is that the flimsy pretense that it's about something noble will be gone. Everyone will know where they stand.

>>149364499
*so no one can stop me

>>149359065 (OP)
Thats what i always thought too. If a killer kills, the numbers of killers dont increase. Just the number of killings!

>>149363255
Well it's vibrations but that essentially fucks the symbiote up since that's par and parcel for loud noise based stuff.

>>149359160
Those people who are killed are no longer of this world. So the number of killers remains the same no matter what.
With this line of thinking, the solution is to get rid of every living thing and then lastly yourself.

>>149359852
Kyle was acting like a cunt this whole comic so him getting his shit kicked in immediately after this page was incredibly satisfying

>>149359065 (OP)
Batman's no-killing rule is not a moral, since it's purely because he doesn't trust himself with that power.
It's the same reason he'll always try to save someone even of they objective don't deserve it since he doesn't trust himself to ever make the judgment call, so he just tries to save everyone instead.

>>149361667
But if k has the same value in each case, it means that "k - k" equals "0"

>>149360709
>anime and trannies out of nowhere
Rent free kek

>>149364087
The Bible also says that a bald man asked God to kill 40 children just because they made fun of his baldness and God sent two bears to kill the children.

>>149359065 (OP)
Im annoyed that batman and punish flip positions in the last panel

>>149365188
Based God.

>>149365096
No its because Batman is insane. Which is why he holds on to that rule even when it makes no sense. Dude is obsessed over his parents death to a point he dresses as a bat to fight crime, its not that hard to understand why he's obsessed about his not-kill rule.

>>149365220
>No its because Batman is insane.
Yes. That's what I said.
Batman knows he's basically balancing on a knife's edge, and he tries his best to stay on the sane side.

>>149363128
What does that have to do with anything?
Noone would claim he couldn't.

You can't even stick to the discussion without your fragile ego shattering and using whataboutisms to try and eek out a "win"?

>>149364183
No, I meant ethically.

>>149365083
>Kyle was acting like a cunt this whole comic so him getting his shit kicked in immediately after this page was incredibly satisfying
Not satisfying enough. Honestly that comic is just one giant piss-off.

Superman moralizing about how nobody should have to die while the League is around to a dude for killing a genocidal dictator only for the League to immediately leave and let the country descend into mass death was one of the biggest what the fuck moments I've seen in comics.

The writer used the comic as a thinly disguised metaphor for the perils of western interventionism, but the problem with doing that is Superman is fucking right and the League is significantly more capable in terms of will, speed, accuracy, and lack of collateral damage at disarming sectarian factions and distributing aid than western governments. Superman's not gonna crater a neighborhood full of innocent civilians to get at some insurgents and Batman's not gonna give a warlord a billion dollars in "aid" that should have gone to actually solve food insecurity and improve economic development just to be able to tell his bosses that somebody got the money.

The metaphor doesn't fucking work and the League just comes across as fucking sociopathic when they can just turn off their ability to give a fuck when a problem is remotely political.

>>149365188
>a bald man asked God to kill 40 children
That's as many as four tens.
And that's terrible.

>>149359065 (OP)
Punisher, he kills gangbangers on sight but sucks the dick of anyone in the military, even people like Thunderbolt Ross.

>>149365295
whats that guy's problem

>>149359298
This was after Batman saved the Joker from Frank. Dude has no leg to stand on no matter what.

>>149359313
Why are you people so protective over violent criminals who would gladly maim or kill you and your loved ones?

>>149359065 (OP)
That expression is dumb because it conflates "killing" with "murdering". Murder requires intent. You can "kill" someone and be justified.

If Person A (who has violently killed one person in the past) attempts to kill Person B (who hasn't hurt or killed anyone before) and Person B stands their ground and kills Person A in self defense, yeah the number of killers in the world stays the same, but so what? How many murderers remain?

>>149365852
>You can "kill" someone and be justified
Yes, you can, unless cape writers are writing you. Then you as a no kill superhero will always be exactly competent enough to stop someone without killing them or putting anyone else in immediate danger and therefore not justified in killing someone. If lethal force isn't necessary, it isn't justified under self defense.

>>149359298
Retarded, realistically he would shoot Batman with a gun.

>>149365188
So I looked up the passage in question, so I don't die stupid tonight. According to historians and linguists, it's not entirely because Elisha is bald and being mocked about it that God sends female bears onto a bunch of kids. Basically, the passage pops up after he's been assigned as the new messiah and he's basically cleaning shit up around and doing miracles (like cleaning rivers and making the streets orderly) and that one passage is like God throwing bears and saying "You dumb kids better respect my prophet!". Which apparently fell on deaf ears because soon after, the Kingdom of Israel falls. Unless someone corrects me, thats what is going on.

>>149359065 (OP)

>>149366047
Batman: Year Two

>>149359890
No, he’s right. You guys are the Bizarro lefties who constantly complain about the patriarchy. It’s the horseshoe effect. Both sides are insufferable to regular people

>>149359270
If you did, you wouldn't bump the threads. Not even you have anti-woke fatigue.

>>149366078
Just because they are to square to complain about the matriarchy

>>149362148
I think you mean 90/100 Batman variants would beat him.

>>149365959
Which is extra dumb when you think about it.

Let's say I'm a citizen of Gotham and the Joker walks out of a building and looks my way. At what point should I consider him a deadly threat? When he makes a move? Would just his attention be enough? Considering who he is and everything he's done, I'd argue his very existence would be enought that any rando would be justified opening fire on sight in self defense.

>>149359293
Android 2B fair, Google's search AI is one of the worst LLMs out there when it comes to hallucinations.

>>149366649
That's not self-defense. That's a separate legal standard colloquially known as the fleeing felon rule which isn't nearly as well-supported in ethics and beyond that has varying legal application when it comes to private citizens.

There's also separate case law and ethical debate on believing someone to be an inevitable and unavoidable threat, such as with battered spouses, but I am not surprised cape comics don't want to wade into either of these issues very often.

Now all this is an entirely separate matter as to whether a jury would convict a citizen gunning down your average supervillain (they wouldn't) and whether an ethical argument could be made to defend people taking matters into their own hands (it could).

It is however a bit nonsensical that villains never get popped by an off duty cop or something when in the middle of criming. That said, IIRC Gotham at least doesn't actually allow private carry by civilians. No 2nd amendment in DC I suppose. So that might just be explained by there being significantly less guns in the hands of civilians than in the real world.

>>149359085
Frank is a Gary Stu but nobody in fiction has the level of retarded plot armor Bats has.

Honestly, my blame has shifted from the heroes not killing people to the city's themselves not electing to institute the death penalty when they have so many issues and repeat offenders. Their facilities obviously aren't equipped to rehabilitate or contain all of their inmates as they keep getting out and committing more murders. It makes me wonder what these heroes would do if that happened. Do they just keep them locked away forever, pay to keep them alive and become the judge, jury and execution like they say they want to avoid? Would they try to force cities to repeal the death penalty, taking away the agency of the public and law makers to decide how to govern themselves? Do they have to retire from the job, because their is no good alternative, and every time they turn in a super villain, they know they are essentially feeding them into the meat-grinder?

>>149360070
>The Joker's a maniac, but he's hardly got the biggest body count in DC.
Wasn't it confirmed that Vandal Savage is the only human in DC to have personally murdered more people than him?

>>149365196
>Im annoyed that batman and punish flip positions in the last panel

yeah well I'm annoyed that ChatGPT couldn't draw the comic right after multiple tries even with very explicit instructions. in the end I had to edit it myself; the speech balloons in the first 2 panels were originally reversed.

>>149367262
Addressing corruption only open more doors.
>Why do capes only go after their fellow peacock super-villains if politicians, bankers, mafia and businessmen are the source of the problem?
This is way more political than anything /co/ cry about 24/7 on this board and the boring answer is that capes exist to offer a simple solution to much simpler problems. It's the writers and fans who fucked that up when they let capeshit become edgier so a bunch of now adults wouldn't feel too bad about reading a power fantasy aimed at kids.

>>149359765
No you're wrong. I'll prove it.
>I assume you are wrong.
>Therefore you are wrong.
You literally can't disprove it!

>>149367767
>Wasn't it confirmed that Vandal Savage is the only human in DC to have personally murdered more people than him?
Was that before or after Joker murdered all of China?

>>149368511
>It's the writers and fans who fucked that up when they let capeshit become edgier so a bunch of now adults wouldn't feel too bad about reading a power fantasy aimed at kids.
It's funny because Japanese power fantasies aimed at children often involve going after politicians, bankers, mafia, and businessmen, often while still being edgy.

>>149366078
>he
Pathetic samefag

>>149369205
I wonder (((why))) it's not the case in Western works.