>In the most recent Superman movie, Jor-El and Lara sent Kal-El to Earth explicitly so he could conquer it as the Earthlings are stupid, rule as a God Emperor and have a giant harem to preserve the Kryptonian legacy.

Uh... What the fuck?

Marlon Brando to Russel Crowe to Bradley Cooper

What a tremendous downgrade.

>>149364991 (OP)
>Uh... What the fuck?
Jor-El as the villain (and one that gets redeemed) could be cool, and alternatively if they don't want him to be bad it's very easy to write it so that Zod forced him to do the recording before Krypton boomed or else he would fire on Kal's pod that was still in range of his guns

>>149365011
Bradley Cooper, at least, is still in shape. Brandon was already fat by the time he was cast, as was Crowe even if they hid it in costumes.

>>149364991 (OP)
Some of the Crime Syndication alternate universe versions of Superman (Ultraman) have this back story, and it also essentially parrots Waid's plot from Birthright, although the movie, at least so far, is alleging that Lex's 'data recovery' is legit, whereas in Birthright it was faked.

I seriously doubt there are 22 'respected' 'professional' linguist who truly know and can parse the Kryptonian language. We have millenia old language from Samaria, butt loads of written Egyptian hieroglyphics and even the dead sea scrolls that 'respected' 'experts' today cannot agree upon as to what they mean or say.''

Also, we had one longish thread about this from this morning and two other threads, one of which was concurrent with that main. You don't need to keep this alive 24/7 anon.

>>149364991 (OP)
isn't that what the Saiyans did?

>>149364991 (OP)
Gunn is such a faggot

>>149365056
No. Even ignoring the Freeza retcon (which just changed it so they answered to someone else), that's clearly not what they did.

Every time they conquered a planet, it was not for the purpose of ruling the native population or extending their own living space. They had no interest in actually keeping the planets themselves, all they did was clear the planets of native populations so they could sell them to people who actually wanted them, once that was done they would just move over to another one to conquer and sell.

When it comes to breeding with other showed no interest in doing so, in fact, Vegeta straight up rejected the idea when Nappa proposed it simply because the hybrids could try to overthrow them. If anything, their attitude towards preservation of their own kind is alarmingly awful. Vegeta dismissed the idea of reviving Raditz because he considered him useless, he killed Nappa because Goku crippled him, he was perfectly willing to kill Goku and Gohan for being "traitors" even though he (thought) he would be the last Saiyan in that case and his reaction to his homeworld being destroyed amounted to disappointment that he wouldn't get a coronation in that case. He even declared to Dodoria that he didn't care that his planet was destroyed by Freeza. And it's not really just Vegeta either outside of the manga, both versions of Paragus is fine with reducing the number of remaining Saiyans and don't care that most of them died already, the original version was even cool with letting Broly die, who in turn also didn't care about preserving the Saiyans. Even after Vegeta mellowed out and got together with Bulma, it's not like he and Goku got their respective Harems. Vegeta after 20 years with Bulma had two kids while Goku after an even longer time with Chi-Chi only has two kids and one grandchild, it's not like these guys pump out anywhere near the maximum amount of kids here.

>>149365923
How was Jor-El in the new cartoon?

I don’t understand why the second half of the message was never followed up on. I was 100% sure it was an obvious doctor/deepfake by Lex given all the other cartoonishly bad stuff he does, but it’s never acknowledged. Cut scenes for runtime?

>Zod and Braniac are the good guys in this universe

>>149365942
You underestimate how much Hollywood hates father figures

>>149365942
>>149365957
This is more insulting to Superman's mythos than anything in the last 40 fucking years.

>>149365939
He’s also from a militaristic empire, but at least the AI version of him doesn’t tell Superman to rule the world or to get a harem and be a god. Superman can’t even understand what he says for most of the series because he doesn’t understand kryptonian. I think his race still conquered planets but they weren’t as extreme as the Gunn version, and they were destroyed by their own hubris. Something this Jor El realized way too late.

>>149366028
They fucking hated nerds because they could be happy without their new world order so now they’re invading every single space out there. They can’t even let Krypton be a bunch of nerds, militaristic stuff sounds more like DBZ

>>149366056
>Kryptonian
That’s a change I wasn’t expecting, a straight up different language which makes sense. Is Jor El still a scientist in this one.

>>149364991 (OP)
That is the logical outcome of sending a vastly more powerful being to a world of genetically compatible weaker beings that they can interbreed with, anon. And if you can't save a large number of your people, a decent plan for ensuring your species lives on in some form.

Think of it this way: when Jor El sends baby Kal El off to Earth, do you REALLY think that his intended outcome there was for Kal to fly around stopping bank robberies in one specific city? Does that save your people, or make good use of his incredible powers?
Would you want your kid to be an unpaid volunteer policeman without the authority to arrest people, or to save your species from extinction and continue your civilization?

>>149366102
No, Jor El put his son on Earth because he saw their capacity for good and assumed that his son could inspire them. It’s like sending a kid to a long distance tribe with strength far beyond theirs but they’re capable of being good at some point.

>>149365939
You can sort of think of him as a well intentioned person from a somewhat more sinister version of Krypton.

>>149366298
Exactly. Even in 1978 Krypton was too cold and calculating to realize their planet was dying and to have a little sympathy towards others that need a little more energy

>>149366028
>>149366101
In the last 40 years in the DC comics Jor El was specifically revealed to have survived, become a villain called Mr Oz who hates the petty inferior humans, accidentally caused Krypton's destruction himself, and to also be a cuckold who likes watching other men fuck his wife.

You're whining about a subject matter they perfectly adapted. If anything they adapted him more flattering than they ought to since A) Krypton blowing up isn't his fault and B) Lara isn't a slut

>>149366122
And you don't see how weirdly humanocentric that is? "My entire planet and species is about to go extinct, but instead of doing something to save my people I'm going to devote my last act to maybe kinda sort inspiring some other planet of people I've never met to... I don't know, feel better about themselves for a few years?"

Jor El's plan also only makes sense of Kal El grows up to *be superman*. A force for good that is actively moral and helpful and inspiring. If Kal El decided t do *literally anything else* instead Jor El's statement makes no sense.
This is all shit that assumes Superman as a starting point and works backwards from it, not anything that anyone would actually do in context without prescient future knowledge of the story they are in.

>>149364991 (OP)
Yeah james gunn wanted to do an invincible movie

>>149364991 (OP)
Why he has such a well outlined crotch?

>>149366364
It's because Superman is written on Jesus logic: the benevolent god-father sending his gifted son to suffer for the benefit of mortal man to show them the light.

>>149366494
Male power fantasy. Same reason that superman is ripped despite there being nothing on Earth he could lift that would exert him enough to produce muscle.

>>149366494

It's Bara art.

>>149366509
I'm sure that is a byproduct of the 1978 movie and not the intend of S&S, who just wanted to write a story about a refugee helping his new home.

>>149365049
>although the movie, at least so far, is alleging that Lex's 'data recovery' is legit, whereas in Birthright it was faked.
honestly thought that was where things were going, that Lex manipulated the video and what it meant. who would've been able to tell him he was wrong anyway? even Superman wouldn't be able to tell because he never heard the second half. it felt weird anyway to just say that Engineer can restore the full video like that, reeks of "tech can do whatever the hell it feels like". but i guess, it makes sense in the context of the movie, if the video WAS doctored and Jor-El really was the good guy, then Superman's plight wasn't as dire as we thought it was. forcing Supes into a dilemma, even if the dilemma in question was controversial, was still good

>>149366101
From what I remember, in the MAWS show they made kryptonians scientifically advanced to the point the made Brainiac as a supercomputer that eventually destroyed their planet. But it’s never stated Jor El designed him, though he was familiar with Brainiacs technology. So I think the were all super buff and smart.

>>149366494
It’s literally written by horny women, there’s also a scene where he’s walking around shirtless and his tits are huge

>>149366663
Oh wait…. I thought we were posting about MAWS

>>149364991 (OP)
Why is dc straight copying invincible now

>>149366632
>forcing Supes into a dilemma, even if the dilemma in question was controversial, was still good
Yeah, this. I also think what the actual 2nd part of message could open up doors to Braniac. It's easy to just set up Luthor as having lied about the message to ruin Clark's reputation BUT you could actual have the real translation of that message being about how Krypton fell. Krypton wasn't important right now because the movie was about Supes. When it does become important, give the viewers the real message. I personally do not think Jor-el intended for the Superman harem because he himself never had a harem. A harem isn't even necessary for the species to survive since Kara also survived.

>>149365020
MAWS sort of did that with Krypton being a despotic empire before they went extinct, and Earth was on the chopping block.

Honestly I feel like a scene was cut explaining that Lex did fake the message, it's way too quickly resolved as being "yeah this is totally real no japes" despite being incredibly incompatible with the tone of the rest of the message

>>149365049
>I seriously doubt there are 22 'respected' 'professional' linguist who truly know and can parse the Kryptonian language. We have millenia old language from Samaria, butt loads of written Egyptian hieroglyphics and even the dead sea scrolls that 'respected' 'experts' today cannot agree upon as to what they mean or say.''
brother it's a comic book movie

look at everything else Luthor has at his disposal

>>149366892
It's also weird how a Green Lantern Corps never heard about Krypton being like Viltrimite/Saiyans even though the Green Lanterns are essentially an intergalactic police force who should be in the know on almost every universal threat. The Luther-edit of the message it totally bogus. If Gunn DOESN'T ever retcon that in the future, he is a bona-fide HACK.

>>149366911
I was waiting for the movie to backtrack on it. Lex Luthor would have definitely paid off a team of linguists to say what he wants them to say. In the same movie he engineered a bunch of monkeys to shitpost about Superman on twitter, and paid a guy to constantly point a gun at a baby's head. Paying off some linguists would have been chump change for him.

>>149366911
>>149367314
Yeah, I'm totally convinced there either is a deleted scene where it is confirmed to be altered or that they're saving it for a sequel. Still though, the harem crap is going a bit too far when it would have been perfectly fine for him to just been intended to be a god emperor.

Think about this, if this movie doesn't get a sequel, don't get an alternate cut or no sequel bother to backtrack on this, then that means someone genuinely decided that Jor-El picked Earth as Kal-El's destination so that he could fuck like rabbit.

>>149366324
Wasn't it to character assassinate the entire planet to prop up Superman as being fully American? They even changed his origins to make him technically being born on earth.

>>149367381
That does make the most logical sense

If you had to pick a planet for the last surviving member of your species to go, it would be one that has a species they could crossbreed with, or else your species is doomed whether or not he lands safely. Same with the harem stuff, it’s just a way of saying “Clark you are the last member of our species but the people on this planet are genetically similar enough, so have as many children as you can to max our chances!”

>>149364991 (OP)
The second part of the message can always be explained away in different ways if it ever becomes necessary.
It was mostly just to keep an already pretty loaded movie from getting too long.

>>149365011
yeah

>>149366952
Its either that or Guy is just being a moron who doesnt do his research

>>149364991 (OP)
>>149367544
On another note this movie seriously should have started during the aftermath of Superman beating up that dictator to introduce him and his crew or something. I feel like the first half of it was just weirdly paced, i suppose its because it assumes everyone already knows about Superman but still.

>>149366939
The thing about comic book science is that it has to work, that's also true of Regular Movie mcguffins (like in mysteries and murder) or with techno-babble like in SW or Star Trek.

The reason people made fun of the Star Trek reboot movies is that the science in it is all stupid and idiotic, which is why Simon Pegg begged to rewrite and ended up co-writing the script for the third movie. If the movie can have cross galaxy transporters, why the fuck do they even need starships?

OTOH, Star Wars gave good reasons for the existence of say a fully functional death star and all these movies gave good, on screen reasons for FTL travel. You're right, inbefore you or some other wag chimes in, that explaining too much is another form of stupidity and idiocy, which is the midiclorian shit is ALSO made fun of.

I hate cloning, especially simplistic cloning (I got alien hair, it was easy to make an entire sufficiently sentient and actually more powerful but easy to control being with some of your dead protein, e.g. hair). But cloning was used as far back as the Dean Cain TV show and it's certainly easier for an audience to 'buy-in' versus a duplicator ray like the Superboy comic book where Biz was first introduced.

Alfred Hitchcock called it 'fridge logic' - which was does your murder or your mystery survive your audience waking up in the middle of the night and going to the fridge and suddenly thinking, 'well that shit didn't really made sense' - and my point is that Gunn, in trying to be cute, having that 'professional' Linguist can PERFECTLY translate an alien language with just a few sentences when they can't even translate whole entire walls of hieroglyphics with even a fucking literal Rosetta Stone ....

>>149369214
I don’t really understand why the translation is an issue when the Superman robots very clearly translated the first half of the message into English. Like, they have something much better than a Rosetta Stone in the Cortress computer banks which Luthor breached.

Nice bulge

>>149367381
Let's hope

>>149364991 (OP)
Wut if supermeng wuz le omni man...
Wut if supermeng...wuz...le bad....

>>149364991 (OP)
Superman's parents should never be relevant characters in the present day, unless it's a prequel story like Krypton

>>149365177
Gohan is in charge of saving the saiyan race

>>149370729
No, bad /dbs/ poster! Bad! Go back to your containment thread on /a/!

>>149367522
This is the Smallville take - that Earth was genetically similar. But Star Trek (and pretty much most classic SciFi) has humanoid aliens - even if they will give them two hearts or four hears or whatever the shit is is for Doctor Who, and whatever else they change about them (heart is the wrong side, etc.)

For all that people shit on Tom Taylor, he had the right of it with his Dark Knights of Steel books - if a few Kryptonians landed on Earth, they would functionally rule - why would they cross-breed or why would they want to. Of course, Taylor - Doing Taylor Thing - had Jor El fuck Martha (and essentially cuck Thomas) so that Batgod would have powers, too, but that wasn't really necessary for most of the world building established. They could rule (even if they could he killed) without having to create a lineage.

And just as with Taylor's book, you already have a second generation since Kara exists. And you can also get into the Byrne/Snyderverse version, where the babies are made in test tubes and not through actual sex (e.g. harems). Kara could pick one human male in Dark Knights of Steel or even lean into her lesbianism in those stories and use Diana's DNA (and in Gunn's DCU, she could drunkenly hook up with any Red Sun rando she finds while she's depowered and get pregnant there, instant half-breed Kryptonian.)

Gunn's Clark can be depowered at the Fortress and impregnate Lois, there's all sorts of feasible ways to carry on the Kryptonian race without having a Harem.

Conquerors do not want nor would see the value of 'maxing' their chances by having a harem, that's teenage boy fan fic tier fap fiction.

>>149369337
And that's another thing - just like with how easy it was for a lower civilization to take control over the ship's computers and navigation in Star Trek (but the self-destruct requires a voice authorization and specific code). It's a logical fail. You can't slip nanites inside someone that have the effect to allow her to turn her body into LITERALLY anything she can think of (WHICH USUAL MEANS ROTAR BLADES FOR HER) and also have that mean she's also a computer science genius.

Nanotechnology is for material - building, constructing, devices, etc. They ASSEMBLE, essentially. You can use them to do things with organics, like drug delivery and making new tissue to replace damaged tissue, but interacting with something even not very complex, like a car with multiple computers, is not yet even speculative and nano robots are still purely speculative.

The Superman robots were Kryptonian technology, of course they could interface with and understood other Krytonian knowledge and tech, and certainly the language. The Engineers excuse was that Gunn was too lazy and too stupid to come up with a better plot contrivance?