So Gunn's entire masterplan is just live action DCAU?

>>149391082 (OP)
He might have Jay Garrick instead of Barry Allen or Wally West desu.

>>149391082 (OP)
Seems like the obvious play in hindsight

>>149391082 (OP)
Yeah, that's what they should have done in the first place.

>>149391082 (OP)
I hope they give more attention to others like Aquaman since that was one of the things the DCEU did right. But also some others, like Zatanna or Vixen.

>>149391136
They should have just gotten CCH Pounder to play Amanda Waller in live action as well though she's probably too old for it now.

Timm's DCAU had structure and had decent arcs and endings for the characters. Gunn's DC universe is just random nonsense with no real arcs or structure. Like Waller in the DCAU went from being the biggest superhero hater to being the biggest Batfag ever. Gunn wishes he can make a character arc that good.

>>149391082 (OP)
Would be far from the worse idea. I would watch live action movies based on some of the better episodes and it would mean we would get that batman beyond film
For the man who has everything would be peak

>>149391082 (OP)
There is nothing in common between gunn's Superman and the DCAU

>It's so still and dark. No sound. No light. Nothingness. My mind. I cannot let it drift. I must remember. I am Metallo. I am Metallo.
Gunn and Snyder wish their Superman was anywhere near DCAU.

If that means we'll get the best Batgirl, I'm in.

>>149391273
it just started you fat retard

>>149391082 (OP)
Snyder did it first.

>>149391082 (OP)
How does DCAU Superman's Krypton heritage compare to Gunn's Superman? Do you think he'd ever get to do what happened in JL with Mongul? With the Black Mercy I mean. How's that gonna work?

>>149391553
> it just started you fat retard
I know it started you retard i am just saying based on Gunn's writing for Guardians, Suicide Squad and Peacemaker that he doesn't know how to craft good arcs for his characters. They don’t end up satisfying like the DCAU.

>>149391203
We can get the next best person to take on her role https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffOusXMyluE&ab_channel=LiterallySatan

>>149391082 (OP)
DC Comics has announced that this year’s San Diego Comic-Con will be intended to start the run-up and build a campaign toward DC Comics 100th anniversary in 2035. Which is also the year that DC Comics will lose copyright to Batman, as seen in Detective Comics #27. With Superman the year before, the Joker the year after and Wonder Woman the year after that. At which point, Marvel will be able to put Batman in X-Men and Superman in the Avengers if they so wish. So basically, given that they will be losing the keys to their IP kingdom running up to their 100th anniversary, As Bleeding Cool has said, expect DC Comics to be publishing madder and madder titles with looser and looser creative restrictions because, for their 100th anniversary, anyone will be able to do anything they want without fear of legal repercussions. So they might as well make some money for that.

>>149391082 (OP)
No

>>149391082 (OP)
I mean that’s not a bad idea the day is very loved.

>>149391750
>Marvel will be able to put Batman in X-Men and Superman in the Avengers if they so wish
aren't you kind of admitting defeat by doing that? like you squandered all your own characters so you need to steal some from your main competitor

>>149391695
>I know it started you retard i am just saying based on Gunn's writing for Guardians, Suicide Squad and Peacemaker
Based on that, you are once again proven wrong.

>>149391750
>this pic

>>149391660
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Pwuz5G1jXw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQaXEnbcBT4
DCAU Jor-El tries to warn the council that the planet is about to burst, and that they should send as many people into the phantom zone as possible, and then he'll stay behind to try and find a new place for them to live and let them out, but since Brainiac, the planet's global super computer says he's wrong, they all dismiss him as a madman.
His message for Kal-El is also way more about him being extraordinary (not just because of his powers, but because of the legacy he carries) but that he must not give into it.
>"You will have great powers, but you must never use them in anger."
His Kryptonian heritage is about standing tall and proud, while also showing restraint, while his Kansas heritage is where he gets his kindness and humility from.
The movie's depiction of Jor-El, and subsequently Krypton doesn't exactly make me think having a life on Krypton with his Kryptonian parents there would be something Superman would dream about, since it doesn't really give him much to be proud of.

>>149391082 (OP)
Yeah but worse

>>149391082 (OP)
Honestly, even if this was his thought process, it would be the smartest decision made about these characters in film in like 35 years.

>>149391082 (OP)
Hopefully, the DCAU had some of the best characterizations for the main trinity in the last few decades.

>>149392164
Eh. They made Superman a little too bitter and aggro sometimes and there was a stretch where they clearly had no idea what to do with Wonder Woman. Honestly, I'd say it handled the non-trinity characters better than the trinity.

>>149392252
It made sense in the context that this version of superman was one that had been active for years and was trying to truly be a world power for good. The first series starts with him managing to convince the whole world to defuse their nuclear arsenal with him being the keeper of the deal and defused the warheads himself. Also he was mind controlled by Darkseid and he was tired of Lex Luthor constantly getting his way and the american government allowing him to do just that. If anything, they portrayed a pissed off Superman in a really appropriate way.

But I have to kind of agree with Wonder Woman, but I don't think Diana had lot to do in terms of personal backstory anyways. This show as a sequel to superman and batman animated series, so we never had the chance to expand her lore.

>>149391082 (OP)
Not quite but that would be better

>>149391760
Did he or not watch the show. Both of them Zach and James?

>>149391082 (OP)
Unfortunately a lot of the writers that helped shape the DCAU like Dwayne McDuffie are no longer around.

>>149391082 (OP)
More like live action Brave and the Bold

I prefer the new Superman

>>149392252
>there was a stretch where they clearly had no idea what to do with Wonder Woman
It seemed like that lasted for most of the series. They made her argue with Hawkgirl a lot and flirt with Batman and that was about it.

>>149391082 (OP)
Not at all. The DCAU intentionally avoided a lot of Silver Age stuff that Gunn embraces. No Krypto, Green Lantern only does basic constructs and not stuff like hands, superheroes were more a recent emerging phenomenon instead of already being common

>>149391750
And? The character changed so much over the decades that whatever Jewish supremacist subtext Siegel and Shuster intended is just gone.
Clark Kent is an average Joe who happens to have superpowers and saves people because he can and, therefore, must, not some Godlike being who protects the inferior Earthlings to stroke his ego. That's more in line with Lex Luthor's character who is, you know, THE BAD GUY. Even his Kryptonian origins are but a technicality most of the time. He's Clark Kent first, Superman second, Kal-El maybe.
Seriously, for people so obsessed with cultural subversion, anti-Semites always fail to see when it's done in their favor.

>>149391524
>Red Head
She'll be black

>>149391082 (OP)
Gunn clearly knows who best boy is so I hope so

>>149391082 (OP)
What else would it be? Fans have been asking for exactly that for decades.

>>149391082 (OP)
>All the greats like Dwayne McDuffie and Peter David died before they could cash in on their works
>I gotta watch that fucking faggot Tom King be the architect for the new DC cinematic universe like he did anything
This is my Joker origin story

>>149395208
>What else would it be?
An adaptation of post-crisis with some pre-crisis elements.
Gunn's interest in characters like Peacemaker(and the Suicide Squad) , Guy Gardner/JLI in general, and characters he wants to adapt like Cassandra cain all come from the 80's-90's. I think his peak comic reading years were probably the late 70's-mid 2000's and it colors his work.

I saw someone say that its felt like watching a DCAU filler episode which sums up the movie perfectly.

>>149391082 (OP)
The Gunnverse is more like the Superfriends cartoon than Justice League Unlimited.
Funny how a kids show with a Y7 rating took superheroes more seriously than a guy who directed one of the most uncomfortable horror movies ever made.

>>149394400
>superheroes were more a recent emerging phenomenon
Well Supernatural stuff and superheroes had existed in the DCAU long before Superman showed up. There was spy smasher in World War 2, the various magicians like Dr Fate and Morgan Le Faye in the middle ages, immortal characters like Ras Al Ghul and Vandal Savage. It jus hadn't reached a boiling point until after Superman showed up.

>>149391553
It started and just ended.

>>149395809
It's not really strange, Gunn is the kind of person who likes comics semi-ironically for how weird and dumb they are. Timm and Dini are people who take it seriously

>>149391082 (OP)
DC heroes have always been cartoonishly overpowered.

Mike Francesa weighing in on the movie is hilarious, dozens of instant classic lines, lotta boomer complaints come down to not muh George Reeves
https://x.com/backaftathis/status/1944823622431916327?s=46

>>149396545
Can't wait for Seinfeld to weigh in on it.

>>149391082 (OP)
And he couldn't even do that right.
He wanted to have the popularity of Justice league without proper build up.

>>149391553
It started in the middle you stupid cumm guzzler. Now amount of coping will change the fact that this film should never have been the beginning.

>>149396545
>lotta boomer complaints come down to not muh George Reeves
Based boomers

>>149395141
Now to be fair, Gunn did keep red head Jimmy in his film. It's not unreasonable to assume he at least won't boonify Barabra

>>149396545
>>149396659
It’s funny because Francesca would’ve been about the age to read silver age comics when they were new, so he would’ve known of krypto and Superman robots. But even back then, comics weren’t THAT popular.the show and movies were what really made Superman in pop culture

Does Superman say truth, justice, and the American way in the movie?

>>149396729
No.

>>149396851
Alright i might have to see it then

>>149391082 (OP)
Give me the question

>>149395141
So far, Kara is a white blonde in a miniskirt, so I have hope.

>>149395002
>The character changed so much over the decades that whatever Jewish supremacist subtext Siegel and Shuster intended is just gone
I'd even go further and say that Death and Return cemented his transformation from Jewish character to Christian with the obvious analogue to Christ's resurrection.

>>149391524
You're fucked anon, Gunn is a huge Cass fan who keeps mentioning her.

>>149397891
What kind of relationship do Cass and Damien usually have in the comics? We know we'll be getting a Batman/Damien movie, which means the Bat-family will already be pretty established.
If they opt for Black Bat being involved as well, I'm curious as to how she'd play in with Robin.

I'm all for this, with reduced Batwank though

I hope not

>>149398016
>What kind of relationship do Cass and Damien usually have in the comics?
almost none, but its a moot point. Gunn or the other writers will change what he wants as needed.
Cass was largely absent due to editorial for a lot of Damian's early years as Robin, but the few times they interact significantly it's him being sort of an asshole and Cass putting him in his place.

>>149391082 (OP)
That should've been the plan from the start but they stuck with Snyder for some dumb ass reason

>>149391082 (OP)
Was it though?

Until live-action movies can do dialogue like this, I don't care.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m2U5BHxBRMI

>>149391082 (OP)
Let's hope so.

>>149399256
Green Arrow was right, btw.

If I had to guess as to what the plan for the DCU is, I'd wager Gunn is going for something freeform. The MCU started with a bunch of heroes in their own little worlds that coalesced into one grand story with a definite end. and then they kept going after that end and fucked everything up.
Superman is being billed as the start of the DCU, but it's not. It's the first movie, but we've already had the animated Creature Commandos show and Peacemaker is getting folded in as well. And there's a possibility Batman and the Penguin spinoff could become a part of it too.
What I think we're going to end up with is a bunch of stuff that's all in the same universe and may share characters but is mostly standalone. This could take the pressure off audiences to do "homework". You'd only need to watch the stuff you're interested in. But the more you watch, the more you get out of the various connections.
We've only had one cinematic universe that could be considered successful despite the many, many attempts. If the DCU can do literally anything that isn't exactly what the MCU did, and make it work, it'll cement itself as something worth experiencing.

>>149391082 (OP)
I fucking wish, he's clearly going for Brave and the Bold

>>149399256
>kids show dialogue
no thanks

>>149399256
Green Arrow was such a faggot. Is he like this in the comics?
>>149399535
No

>>149400250
>Is he like this in the comics?
he's worse

>>149391082 (OP)
That would suck because the DCAU is just the Batman Show with other characters occasionally getting screentime.

>>149398158
>but they stuck with Snyder
They fired him after the second movie

>>149399719
>I'd wager Gunn is going for something freeform.
This is my guess as well. With Gunn also saying that the Superman sequel may not necessarily be a straight sequel, I'm guessing we may not see that as well. The universe is probably going to be more fluid in that instead of sequels making up mini franchises, making up the universe as a whole, you're gonna get stuff that focuses on a character or a team, maybe a crossover thing between two characters, or have them featured in other characters' work.
>What I think we're going to end up with is a bunch of stuff that's all in the same universe and may share characters but is mostly standalone. This could take the pressure off audiences to do "homework". You'd only need to watch the stuff you're interested in. But the more you watch, the more you get out of the various connections.
This is my takeaway from Superman too. The mid and post-credits scenes aren't sequel teasers at all and the closest thing to one is the last minute with Kara. If so, this has the potential to be the greatest film franchise on this Earth. You'll literally just be able to pay attention to the stuff you want to without missing anything and if you do, you'll be able to see the overarching story as a whole.

Supergirl should be pretty good or at least the actress looks similar

>>149399256
>the real government would never get involved in anything like this

>>149398158
Snyder made two movies and then was let go. He has nothing to do with DC shitting the bed for 10 fucking years.

>>149391082 (OP)
that's what anyone should have done since fucking forever.

>>149395196
It would be cool if Gunn found a small role for Clancy Brown somewhere in the live action universe. He's getting up there in age, but he could still play a small part or could still be the voice of a CG character.

>>149402263
you forgot to mention his 2.5 movies took half of that timespan

>>149391082 (OP)
Okay? Good?

>>149391203
I was saying that Snyder should’ve gotten Clancy brown for Lex in his movies